Scottish rugby

[PortyJambo]

Tuipolutu has been a big miss, needless to say, but I reckon the biggest miss has been Cummings in the 2nd row.

 

Jonny Gray has never been the best athlete, but he looks even more cumbersome and past it now. Gilchrist has always been a decent but not great lock too. The two of them just aren't up to what we need and show our lack of depth.

[Mikey1874]

It was 9 clear attacking moves that broke down. Must be close to being a record. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

14 minutes ago, PortyJambo said:

Tuipolutu has been a big miss, needless to say, but I reckon the biggest miss has been Cummings in the 2nd row.

 

Jonny Gray has never been the best athlete, but he looks even more cumbersome and past it now. Gilchrist has always been a decent but not great lock too. The two of them just aren't up to what we need and show our lack of depth.

Jonny Gray looks like a man who hates playing rugby which is strange for a rugby player. Never smiles, looks lethargic and totally miserable.

Gilchrist is brainless. Concedes way too many penalties and hasn't got power to break mainline.

Ritchie was excellent today but rest of forwards not at the races.

[132goals1958]

30 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said:

Must be unbelievably rare at this level of rugby to score 3 tries and that be all your points. 

Three tries to an inconclusive one

[Malinga the Swinga]

Just now, 132goals1958 said:

Three tries to an inconclusive one

Not inconclusive, it wasn't grounded at any time. The ref never even bothered checking, he just assumed it was a try

[PortyJambo]

3 minutes ago, 132goals1958 said:

Three tries to an inconclusive one

They never even reviewed it, because they knew there was no evidence it was grounded and plenty that there were Scottish hands under it

[merrymac]

53 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Townsend happy with performance. Another 2 win season coming up from Scotland unless we win in France, which to be frank we won't.

Best performance we've had down in Twickenham apparently.

The man has to go

The 2 win man has to go 

[Dawnrazor]

Is anyone convinced we'll beat Wales?

I'm not convinced England will beat them.

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

Is anyone convinced we'll beat Wales?

I'm not convinced England will beat them.

 

After today, absolutely not. Agree on the second point too.

Edited February 22 by Taffin

[CheshireJambo]

Townsend has now wasted a generation of talent.

 

Time for him to go.

[Toonhertz]

Im absolutely gutted! We shot ourselves in the foot again 😭 

 

Finn Russell 🤦🏻‍♂️ 

 

Agree with CheshireJambo Townsend should walk after tournament is done 

[Captain Sausage]

Townsend should’ve walked after the Japan World Cup. 
 

The egotistical prick has wasted our best squad since the 90s. 
 

Failed to get out of two group stages, failed to win more than three games in any six nations.

[Dawnrazor]

A terrible rendition of La Marseillaise.

[Victorian]

The 6 Nations need to put a stop to singers brutalising the anthems.   La Marseillaise was horrific.

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

Just now, Victorian said:

The 6 Nations need to put a stop to singers brutalising the anthems.   La Marseillaise was horrific.

Has it got as bad as the Superbowl yet 

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said:

Has it got as bad as the Superbowl yet 

 

Horrific operatic,  falsetto vocal.   **** off.

[Mikey1874]

Not ignoring the forward passes today. 

 

This ref aware of the run of shit refereeing. 

[Mikey1874]

Nice turnaround.

 

See when you referee the game properly. 

[Victorian]

Nice to have a place kicker who can dink them over from wide.

[Tazio]

This is a fun game to watch. 

[Victorian]

Some match.   Could end up with 3pts apiece or 5 to 2.   

[Victorian]

2-4 in tries at 30mins.

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

51 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Horrific operatic,  falsetto vocal.   **** off.

Wow Liam McLeod must have got himself over to Rome quickly after Sportscene.

[PortyJambo]

France already up to 54 points and still have almost half an hour to go 

 

Wish they'd shown this clinical edge in their last game...

[Victorian]

Italy have 20mins to try to get a try bonus.   3-8 tries.

[Luckies1874]

Never been more than 12 tries in a 5 or 6 Championship match before.

[Luckies1874]

14 tries. Championship record. France are ruthless. 

[Victorian]

3-11 tries.  24-73.  France's highest 6 Nations score.  Must be very high on the highest ever by any team.  The record is 80 (England 2001).   

[Victorian]

Scotland have some great backs,  half backs and centres.   Ireland are a step up.   But France maybe have an even better group in the back line.

[Malinga the Swinga]

Today's result even more frustrating given that France somehow managed to lose to an England side that are so limited in their game plan.

Should be an interesting game in Dublin when France visit in 2 weeks 

[Seymour M Hersh]

Just seen the replay of VdM's try pretty much on the five metre line and I still think he probably did the right thing not trying to get closer to the posts. There were three of them who might have caused a problem. However I'd be very interested to know why the ref pushed Finn's kick 2-3 metres closer to touch and away from the 5 metre line. 

[Victorian]

Just now, Seymour M Hersh said:

Just seen the replay of VdM's try pretty much on the five metre line and I still think he probably did the right thing not trying to get closer to the posts. There were three of them who might have caused a problem. However I'd be very interested to know why the ref pushed Finn's kick 2-3 metres closer to touch and away from the 5 metre line. 

 

First time I've seen that.  VdM grounds it 1-2 feet outside of the 5m line.   Itoje is loitering about being a prick.   Referee buys it and sticks Russell 2m further wide.   First,  marginally more difficult kick.   But secondly,  Russell may have been distracted.

 

Might have meant no difference but so emblematic of how lazy the officials are.   It should be standard protocol for TMO to check the position and tell the referee when tries are scored near the 5m line,  possibly a bit further infield as well.   It makes no difference more centrally.  

[Seymour M Hersh]

17 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

First time I've seen that.  VdM grounds it 1-2 feet outside of the 5m line.   Itoje is loitering about being a prick.   Referee buys it and sticks Russell 2m further wide.   First,  marginally more difficult kick.   But secondly,  Russell may have been distracted.

 

Might have meant no difference but so emblematic of how lazy the officials are.   It should be standard protocol for TMO to check the position and tell the referee when tries are scored near the 5m line,  possibly a bit further infield as well.   It makes no difference more centrally.  

 

When you see how much he missed by it was the difference. However, how much time ticked off the clock and as you say did it knock Finn off his usual kicking regime? 

[Victorian]

10 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

When you see how much he missed by it was the difference. However, how much time ticked off the clock and as you say did it knock Finn off his usual kicking regime? 

 

Don't think there's a direct correlation between the position of the kick and the width of the miss at the post.   It depends on his aim and if he what shape of flight he was trying.   Possible but very uncertain.   Looked to me like a sweeping kick with his foot front / instep.   May have caused a pull or draw shape comparing it to a golf shot.   If you look at Ramos he seems to stike more square on the front of the foot.

 

There was the matter of the 'shot clock' but also the main game clock.   If the kick missed,  Scotland had to score again and he only just left enough time to force a restart.   Don't know if he also had this in mind.   

[stirlo]

4 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Don't think there's a direct correlation between the position of the kick and the width of the miss at the post.   It depends on his aim and if he what shape of flight he was trying.   Possible but very uncertain.   Looked to me like a sweeping kick with his foot front / instep.   May have caused a pull or draw shape comparing it to a golf shot.   If you look at Ramos he seems to stike more square on the front of the foot.

 

There was the matter of the 'shot clock' but also the main game clock.   If the kick missed,  Scotland had to score again and he only just left enough time to force a restart.   Don't know if he also had this in mind.   

 

I think this is certainly part of the reason why Russell didn't seem to take much time over the kick combined with the fact he probably wasn't confident of making the conversion. But I also think that being the maverick he is, Russell didn't want to overthink the kick knowing how much was riding on it.

 

But let's face it, the post-mortem shouldn't be about that kick, but about how Scotland contrived to lose the game. If they'd been more ruthless in the first half they could have virtually been out of sight. 

[Ulysses]

7 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

 

Should be an interesting game in Dublin when France visit in 2 weeks 

 

Unless Dupont falls down the steps of the plane in Dublin and breaks his leg France will win.  

[Tazio]

1 minute ago, Ulysses said:

 

Unless Dupont falls down the steps of the plane in Dublin and breaks his leg France will win.  

That’s what we thought when they played England. 

[Ulysses]

Just now, Tazio said:

That’s what we thought when they played England. 

 

Yes, but the problem is that it's also what THEY thought when they played England.  They were complacent and it cost them.  They won't make that mistake again.  

[Tazio]

1 minute ago, Ulysses said:

 

Yes, but the problem is that it's also what THEY thought when they played England.  They were complacent and it cost them.  They won't make that mistake again.  

Irelands biggest problem will be the new stand off Prendergast. Passes well, good kicker but isn’t very good at running or tackling. But then again the Irish pack years making up for Sexton’s horrendous lack of pace. 

[Luckies1874]

7 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

Yes, but the problem is that it's also what THEY thought when they played England.  They were complacent and it cost them.  They won't make that mistake again.  

 

France 11/10 looks tasty

 

* be as well taking the 7/4 for them to win the Championship mind you as we won't have a prayer in Paris if they've won in Dublin. 

Edited February 24 by Luckies1874

[Ulysses]

15 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Irelands biggest problem will be the new stand off Prendergast. Passes well, good kicker but isn’t very good at running or tackling. But then again the Irish pack years making up for Sexton’s horrendous lack of pace. 

 

As my son said, he needs a few months away from the game to put a few kilos on where it counts.

 

Sexton?  Yeah, just as well he wasn't Scottish, eh?  He'd never have gotten his game.   

 

Edited February 24 by Ulysses
Effing autocorr-effing-ect.

[Ulysses]

6 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said:

 

France 11/10 looks tasty

 

Must be a lot of Leinster cash getting spent at the bookies, so.   

 

 

6 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said:

 

* be as well taking the 7/4 for them to win the Championship mind you as we won't have a prayer in Paris if they've won in Dublin. 

 

Skybet say 15/8.  Tempting, not gonna lie.

 

 

[Tazio]

19 minutes ago, Ulysses said:

 

As my son said, he needs a few months away from the game to put a few kilos on where it counts.

 

Sexton?  Yeah, just as well he wasn't Scottish, eh?  He'd never have gotten his game.   

 

Did I say Sexton wasn’t good? He was a world class number 10 but had the pace of Shankland on a slow day. 

[Ulysses]

10 minutes ago, Tazio said:

Did I say Sexton wasn’t good? He was a world class number 10 but had the pace of Shankland on a slow day. 

 

He wasn't that fast, for feck sake.   

[PortyJambo]

8 hours ago, Luckies1874 said:

 

France 11/10 looks tasty

 

* be as well taking the 7/4 for them to win the Championship mind you as we won't have a prayer in Paris if they've won in Dublin. 

I don't think Scotland have a chance in hell of winning in Paris but, if they did, it would be bittersweet as it might well hand the championship to England (I'm assuming they beat Wales and Italy). Especially considering we should have won on Saturday. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

15 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Don't think there's a direct correlation between the position of the kick and the width of the miss at the post.   It depends on his aim and if he what shape of flight he was trying.   Possible but very uncertain.   Looked to me like a sweeping kick with his foot front / instep.   May have caused a pull or draw shape comparing it to a golf shot.   If you look at Ramos he seems to stike more square on the front of the foot.

 

There was the matter of the 'shot clock' but also the main game clock.   If the kick missed,  Scotland had to score again and he only just left enough time to force a restart.   Don't know if he also had this in mind.   

 

 

10 hours ago, stirlo said:

 

I think this is certainly part of the reason why Russell didn't seem to take much time over the kick combined with the fact he probably wasn't confident of making the conversion. But I also think that being the maverick he is, Russell didn't want to overthink the kick knowing how much was riding on it.

 

But let's face it, the post-mortem shouldn't be about that kick, but about how Scotland contrived to lose the game. If they'd been more ruthless in the first half they could have virtually been out of sight. 

Interesting views. I hadn't realised, probably due to the shite coverage on ITV, just how wide that kick had been pushed out. Ref was a joke all game so no surprise he allowed Itoje to interfere at kick.

Sadly, and almost predictably, I've been getting grief from some of my work acquaintances who, despite claiming to watch lots of rugby, are putting all the blame on Saturdays defeat 100% on Russell and advocating he should be dropped from squad. Too flaky, too unreliable and doesn't play the percentages apparently. Mention the forwards giving away penalties, the white line fever we seem to develop when 5m out and it's all ignored because, to me, our most creative no 10 for decades had 1 bad afternoon with the boot.

Honestly think they want a game plan where, like England, any ball received by a 10 is simply booted up in air and no chances taken at all. That Scotland needs the ball out wide and through centres seems to be missed in the he missed conversion at the end, he's hopeless and needs dropping conversation. 

Personally I'd rather have Russell, good and bad, than watch some dreary 10 man game of shit. Bad enough I have to watch Edinburgh.

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

58 minutes ago, PortyJambo said:

I don't think Scotland have a chance in hell of winning in Paris but, if they did, it would be bittersweet as it might well hand the championship to England (I'm assuming they beat Wales and Italy). Especially considering we should have won on Saturday. 

We require something of a miracle to win in France, provided of course France play like they did yesterday.

If they have an off day again though, or if they suffer a card or two, we'd have a squeak but it would take a complete team performance to win.

Ireland might do it though in a fortnight if France don't cope with the atmosphere.

Hopefully we beat Wales. Would be a disaster losing to them

[jack D and coke]

12 hours ago, stirlo said:

 

I think this is certainly part of the reason why Russell didn't seem to take much time over the kick combined with the fact he probably wasn't confident of making the conversion. But I also think that being the maverick he is, Russell didn't want to overthink the kick knowing how much was riding on it.

 

But let's face it, the post-mortem shouldn't be about that kick, but about how Scotland contrived to lose the game. If they'd been more ruthless in the first half they could have virtually been out of sight. 

I think Saturday was the perfect summary of Townsends tenure. 
Play some fantastic stuff then ultimately errors or missed opportunities cost us. 
I will say I enjoy watching his Scotland team.

It’s rarely dull.
We’re an extremely entertaining watch albeit without the results we deserve at times. 

[Victorian]

If's ****ing galling that the same referee who raced around and went down on a knee while raising his arm for an England try before the ball had got within 4" of the grass was the eagle-eyed guy who shifted a crucial goal kick a matter of 2 meters.   

 

His attempt to get in a good viewing position and lower his height for the try was obviously too late watching it in real time.   To simultaneously raise his arm and sound the whistle as he did so is incredible.   The ball got nearer to the ground and may have contacted but well after the try had been signalled.   Potentially with a double movement.

 

If you're a bit late getting the best view then give it and go to TMO.   FFS that's when it works.   The pundits said the fact he didn't ask for a review showed he was certain.   Bullshit.   Not going for a review showed he had a doubt and winged it.   

[Mikey1874]

19 hours ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

Just seen the replay of VdM's try pretty much on the five metre line and I still think he probably did the right thing not trying to get closer to the posts. There were three of them who might have caused a problem. However I'd be very interested to know why the ref pushed Finn's kick 2-3 metres closer to touch and away from the 5 metre line.