Scottish rugby

[Victorian]

Should have slowed it down a bit and had a few pick and goes.   One of them might have strayed offside.   But naw,  nosebleed.

[EH11_2NL]

Far too many silly penalties given away and should have had 2 of the 3 conversions. Second best in the second half. 

[merrymac]

Just now, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

And if the ball had been held up? Russell should not have had that third conversion attempt. 

I know but he was having an off day so worth the risk I reckon 

[merrymac]

1 minute ago, Victorian said:

Should have slowed it down a bit and had a few pick and goes.   One of them might have strayed offside.   But naw,  nosebleed.

Tbf with that ref he would have needed to be standing beside the Scotland full back 

[joondalupjambo]

Still do not understand how you can stick the head on someone as you are running and get a penalty.  And that commentary.  Bill McLaren will be turning in his grave.  The English one was just a supporter with a microphone rather than commentating on the game.

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 minute ago, merrymac said:

I know but he was having an off day so worth the risk I reckon 

He's probably still got concussion.

[Malinga the Swinga]

1 minute ago, joondalupjambo said:

Still do not understand how you can stick the head on someone as you are running and get a penalty.  And that commentary.  Bill McLaren will be turning in his grave.  The English one was just a supporter with a microphone rather than commentating on the game.

Thems the rules, stupid as they are. Guy tackling has all the responsibility to get his head out the way. 

Commentator on ITV is, as you say, an English supporter with microphone.

[merrymac]

1 minute ago, joondalupjambo said:

Still do not understand how you can stick the head on someone as you are running and get a penalty.  And that commentary.  Bill McLaren will be turning in his grave.  The English one was just a supporter with a microphone rather than commentating on the game.

I think he mentioned the fact that Scotland have never beaten England 5 times in a row 

at least 10 times 

[FWJ]

Scotland vs Scotland 

 

and we lost

 

 

[Mikey1874]

Could be a good team if they could finish their chances.

 

[Malinga the Swinga]

3 minutes ago, merrymac said:

I think he mentioned the fact that Scotland have never beaten England 5 times in a row 

at least 10 times 

They'll never have a better chance. England are utter rubbish. It's already started though. Those idiotic ****ers that only watch rugby when Scotland play laying all blame on Russell whilst ignoring forwards who butcher chance after chance and concede so many penalties. 

[Luckies1874]

Must be unbelievably rare at this level of rugby to score 3 tries and that be all your points. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Townsend happy with performance. Another 2 win season coming up from Scotland unless we win in France, which to be frank we won't.

Best performance we've had down in Twickenham apparently.

The man has to go

[Seaside Dave]

Ireland triple crown sealed. Watched bits of Scotland England 2 muppets 

[Malinga the Swinga]

Why the **** we continued to batter at the line with one out rugby when our forwards get knocked backwards only Townsend knows.

DVM batters defenders out of way when it's 1 on 1 so what do we do in 2nd half, we don't give him the ball and we rely on folk like Fagerson and Gilchrist who are simply not good enough.

[PortyJambo]

Tuipolutu has been a big miss, needless to say, but I reckon the biggest miss has been Cummings in the 2nd row.

 

Jonny Gray has never been the best athlete, but he looks even more cumbersome and past it now. Gilchrist has always been a decent but not great lock too. The two of them just aren't up to what we need and show our lack of depth.

[Mikey1874]

It was 9 clear attacking moves that broke down. Must be close to being a record. 

[Malinga the Swinga]

14 minutes ago, PortyJambo said:

Tuipolutu has been a big miss, needless to say, but I reckon the biggest miss has been Cummings in the 2nd row.

 

Jonny Gray has never been the best athlete, but he looks even more cumbersome and past it now. Gilchrist has always been a decent but not great lock too. The two of them just aren't up to what we need and show our lack of depth.

Jonny Gray looks like a man who hates playing rugby which is strange for a rugby player. Never smiles, looks lethargic and totally miserable.

Gilchrist is brainless. Concedes way too many penalties and hasn't got power to break mainline.

Ritchie was excellent today but rest of forwards not at the races.

[132goals1958]

30 minutes ago, Luckies1874 said:

Must be unbelievably rare at this level of rugby to score 3 tries and that be all your points. 

Three tries to an inconclusive one

[Malinga the Swinga]

Just now, 132goals1958 said:

Three tries to an inconclusive one

Not inconclusive, it wasn't grounded at any time. The ref never even bothered checking, he just assumed it was a try

[PortyJambo]

3 minutes ago, 132goals1958 said:

Three tries to an inconclusive one

They never even reviewed it, because they knew there was no evidence it was grounded and plenty that there were Scottish hands under it

[merrymac]

53 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Townsend happy with performance. Another 2 win season coming up from Scotland unless we win in France, which to be frank we won't.

Best performance we've had down in Twickenham apparently.

The man has to go

The 2 win man has to go 

[Dawnrazor]

Is anyone convinced we'll beat Wales?

I'm not convinced England will beat them.

[Taffin]

4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

Is anyone convinced we'll beat Wales?

I'm not convinced England will beat them.

 

After today, absolutely not. Agree on the second point too.

Edited February 22, 2025 by Taffin

[CheshireJambo]

Townsend has now wasted a generation of talent.

 

Time for him to go.

[Toonhertz]

Im absolutely gutted! We shot ourselves in the foot again 😭 

 

Finn Russell 🤦🏻‍♂️ 

 

Agree with CheshireJambo Townsend should walk after tournament is done 

[Captain Sausage]

Townsend should’ve walked after the Japan World Cup. 
 

The egotistical prick has wasted our best squad since the 90s. 
 

Failed to get out of two group stages, failed to win more than three games in any six nations.

[Dawnrazor]

A terrible rendition of La Marseillaise.

[Victorian]

The 6 Nations need to put a stop to singers brutalising the anthems.   La Marseillaise was horrific.

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

Just now, Victorian said:

The 6 Nations need to put a stop to singers brutalising the anthems.   La Marseillaise was horrific.

Has it got as bad as the Superbowl yet 

[Victorian]

3 minutes ago, All roads lead to Gorgie said:

Has it got as bad as the Superbowl yet 

 

Horrific operatic,  falsetto vocal.   **** off.

[Mikey1874]

Not ignoring the forward passes today. 

 

This ref aware of the run of shit refereeing. 

[Mikey1874]

Nice turnaround.

 

See when you referee the game properly. 

[Victorian]

Nice to have a place kicker who can dink them over from wide.

[Tazio]

This is a fun game to watch. 

[Victorian]

Some match.   Could end up with 3pts apiece or 5 to 2.   

[Victorian]

2-4 in tries at 30mins.

[All roads lead to Gorgie]

51 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Horrific operatic,  falsetto vocal.   **** off.

Wow Liam McLeod must have got himself over to Rome quickly after Sportscene.

[PortyJambo]

France already up to 54 points and still have almost half an hour to go 

 

Wish they'd shown this clinical edge in their last game...

[Victorian]

Italy have 20mins to try to get a try bonus.   3-8 tries.

[Luckies1874]

Never been more than 12 tries in a 5 or 6 Championship match before.

[Luckies1874]

14 tries. Championship record. France are ruthless. 

[Victorian]

3-11 tries.  24-73.  France's highest 6 Nations score.  Must be very high on the highest ever by any team.  The record is 80 (England 2001).   

[Victorian]

Scotland have some great backs,  half backs and centres.   Ireland are a step up.   But France maybe have an even better group in the back line.

[Malinga the Swinga]

Today's result even more frustrating given that France somehow managed to lose to an England side that are so limited in their game plan.

Should be an interesting game in Dublin when France visit in 2 weeks 

[Seymour M Hersh]

Just seen the replay of VdM's try pretty much on the five metre line and I still think he probably did the right thing not trying to get closer to the posts. There were three of them who might have caused a problem. However I'd be very interested to know why the ref pushed Finn's kick 2-3 metres closer to touch and away from the 5 metre line. 

[Victorian]

Just now, Seymour M Hersh said:

Just seen the replay of VdM's try pretty much on the five metre line and I still think he probably did the right thing not trying to get closer to the posts. There were three of them who might have caused a problem. However I'd be very interested to know why the ref pushed Finn's kick 2-3 metres closer to touch and away from the 5 metre line. 

 

First time I've seen that.  VdM grounds it 1-2 feet outside of the 5m line.   Itoje is loitering about being a prick.   Referee buys it and sticks Russell 2m further wide.   First,  marginally more difficult kick.   But secondly,  Russell may have been distracted.

 

Might have meant no difference but so emblematic of how lazy the officials are.   It should be standard protocol for TMO to check the position and tell the referee when tries are scored near the 5m line,  possibly a bit further infield as well.   It makes no difference more centrally.  

[Seymour M Hersh]

17 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

First time I've seen that.  VdM grounds it 1-2 feet outside of the 5m line.   Itoje is loitering about being a prick.   Referee buys it and sticks Russell 2m further wide.   First,  marginally more difficult kick.   But secondly,  Russell may have been distracted.

 

Might have meant no difference but so emblematic of how lazy the officials are.   It should be standard protocol for TMO to check the position and tell the referee when tries are scored near the 5m line,  possibly a bit further infield as well.   It makes no difference more centrally.  

 

When you see how much he missed by it was the difference. However, how much time ticked off the clock and as you say did it knock Finn off his usual kicking regime? 

[Victorian]

10 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said:

 

When you see how much he missed by it was the difference. However, how much time ticked off the clock and as you say did it knock Finn off his usual kicking regime? 

 

Don't think there's a direct correlation between the position of the kick and the width of the miss at the post.   It depends on his aim and if he what shape of flight he was trying.   Possible but very uncertain.   Looked to me like a sweeping kick with his foot front / instep.   May have caused a pull or draw shape comparing it to a golf shot.   If you look at Ramos he seems to stike more square on the front of the foot.

 

There was the matter of the 'shot clock' but also the main game clock.   If the kick missed,  Scotland had to score again and he only just left enough time to force a restart.   Don't know if he also had this in mind.   

[stirlo]

4 hours ago, Victorian said:

 

Don't think there's a direct correlation between the position of the kick and the width of the miss at the post.   It depends on his aim and if he what shape of flight he was trying.   Possible but very uncertain.   Looked to me like a sweeping kick with his foot front / instep.   May have caused a pull or draw shape comparing it to a golf shot.   If you look at Ramos he seems to stike more square on the front of the foot.

 

There was the matter of the 'shot clock' but also the main game clock.   If the kick missed,  Scotland had to score again and he only just left enough time to force a restart.   Don't know if he also had this in mind.   

 

I think this is certainly part of the reason why Russell didn't seem to take much time over the kick combined with the fact he probably wasn't confident of making the conversion. But I also think that being the maverick he is, Russell didn't want to overthink the kick knowing how much was riding on it.

 

But let's face it, the post-mortem shouldn't be about that kick, but about how Scotland contrived to lose the game. If they'd been more ruthless in the first half they could have virtually been out of sight.