Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?

[JudyJudyJudy]

21 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

She got eaten alive the other day with regard to question around Leveson 2 - hadn't fully appreciated quite how shit she was. Shallow talent pool that Labour front bench...

Yep a virtue signalling idiot . She’s no defender of women 

[jack D and coke]

Heard farmers are contemplating suicide to avoid the inheritance tax…

Doesnt care. Doing it anyway…

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1ANySFkCnE/?mibextid=wwXIfr
 

[jack D and coke]

Funny how Labour have been in charge in Wales for so long and they’re shafting that place to death also. 
Starmer the Farmer Harmer caring not a jot that Farmers are contemplating suicide to avoid this tax. 
What a piece of work he truly is🤮

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1D4PXWK9Up/?mibextid=wwXIfr

[Japan Jambo]

8 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Funny how Labour have been in charge in Wales for so long and they’re shafting that place to death also. 
Starmer the Farmer Harmer caring not a jot that Farmers are contemplating suicide to avoid this tax. 
What a piece of work he truly is🤮

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1D4PXWK9Up/?mibextid=wwXIfr

 

As of 15 December 2025, the number of visits per country/territory where Starmer travelled are:

 

One: Akrotiri and Dhekelia, Albania, Azerbaijan, Canada, Cyprus, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, Hungary, India, Ireland, the Netherlands, Poland, Samoa, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, and the Vatican City.

Two: Belgium, Brazil, Italy, Norway, and Ukraine.

Five: France, Germany, and the United States.

 

Not bad going from "Never here Keir" since 5th July last year.

[jack D and coke]

19 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

As of 15 December 2025, the number of visits per country/territory where Starmer travelled are:

 

One: Akrotiri and Dhekelia, Albania, Azerbaijan, Canada, Cyprus, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, Hungary, India, Ireland, the Netherlands, Poland, Samoa, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, and the Vatican City.

Two: Belgium, Brazil, Italy, Norway, and Ukraine.

Five: France, Germany, and the United States.

 

Not bad going from "Never here Keir" since 5th July last year.

There can’t be a single person who voted this lot thinking they done the right thing now….

[jack D and coke]

[Dennis Reynolds]

1 hour ago, Japan Jambo said:

 

As of 15 December 2025, the number of visits per country/territory where Starmer travelled are:

 

One: Akrotiri and Dhekelia, Albania, Azerbaijan, Canada, Cyprus, Denmark, Egypt, Estonia, Hungary, India, Ireland, the Netherlands, Poland, Samoa, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Switzerland, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, and the Vatican City.

Two: Belgium, Brazil, Italy, Norway, and Ukraine.

Five: France, Germany, and the United States.

 

Not bad going from "Never here Keir" since 5th July last year.

 

You're annoyed that the prime minister is visiting other countries? What do you think he's doing?

 

[Dennis Denuto]

9 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

You're annoyed that the prime minister is visiting other countries? What do you think he's doing?

 

Trying to find somewhere to seek asylum?

[Japan Jambo]

10 minutes ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

You're annoyed that the prime minister is visiting other countries? What do you think he's doing?

 

 

Trying to decide between hiding and getting in his airmiles before he gets punted. If you think he's doing fine work focusing on the day job, you're part of a very small minority.

[Dennis Reynolds]

2 hours ago, Japan Jambo said:

Trying to decide between hiding and getting in his airmiles before he gets punted. If you think he's doing fine work focusing on the day job, you're part of a very small minority.

 

Right.

 

 

Anyway, big fall in inflation again. ****ing labour ruining the country. Am I doing this right?

[Boris]

21 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Heard farmers are contemplating suicide to avoid the inheritance tax…

Doesnt care. Doing it anyway…

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1ANySFkCnE/?mibextid=wwXIfr
 

So topping yourself means inheritance tax wouldn't be due on the estate?

Surely it would expedite the situation?

[Ulysses]

24 minutes ago, Boris said:

So topping yourself means inheritance tax wouldn't be due on the estate?

Surely it would expedite the situation?

 

Oops.

[Dennis Denuto]

2 hours ago, Boris said:

So topping yourself means inheritance tax wouldn't be due on the estate?

Surely it would expedite the situation?

I think the changes start in April. 

[Boris]

8 hours ago, Dennis Denuto said:

I think the changes start in April. 

What changes?  The amount charged in inheritance tax?

[Dennis Denuto]

3 minutes ago, Boris said:

What changes?  The amount charged in inheritance tax?

They will no longer get the same amount of tax relief they used to so farms with a value above £1M will now pay tax, before they were exempt.

[Boris]

Just now, Dennis Denuto said:

They will no longer get the same amount of tax relief they used to so farms with a value above £1M will now pay tax, before they were exempt.

 

Ah, gotcha.

 

I clicked on the link to the FB thing and it suggested that terminally ill farmers were contemplating suicide to avoid this hike.

 

The words "terminally ill" were missing from the OP I asked the question of (not yours btw!)

[Dennis Denuto]

Just now, Boris said:

 

Ah, gotcha.

 

I clicked on the link to the FB thing and it suggested that terminally ill farmers were contemplating suicide to avoid this hike.

 

The words "terminally ill" were missing from the OP I asked the question of (not yours btw!)

Yeah it does change the context somewhat, I do wonder if they are talking about maybe one tragic case rather than a trend among farmers.

[jack D and coke]

53 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

Yeah it does change the context somewhat, I do wonder if they are talking about maybe one tragic case rather than a trend among farmers.

Alistair Carmichael was ripping into Starmer about it. 
It’s a lot more than one case. I watched the longer version but posted the shorter one. I can’t remember what page I was watched it on now. 
 

[Dennis Denuto]

16 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Alistair Carmichael was ripping into Starmer about it. 
It’s a lot more than one case. I watched the longer version but posted the shorter one. I can’t remember what page I was watched it on now. 
 

There are reports of it maybe being an issue but only one confirmed case, which was before it was even announced. 
 

Suicide in farming is a big issue, I doubt trying to use it frame government policy is a wise move. 

[JamboGlen]

Imagine Labour and the SNP could do something businesses might like to get thr economy growing. We wouldn't then have to buy jobs with over a hundred million of public money.

[Jamhammer]

23 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

Not BRITISH of course 😆

[Ron Burgundy]

Maybe the farmers should all go on hunger strike. Not a proper hunger strike though. That's old school. The new type where you announce just before going to bed that you will not be eating anything until you wake up and will continue this nightly self sacrifice until the government cave in to your demands and give you special treatment.

[hmfcbilly]

22 hours ago, Dennis Reynolds said:

 

Right.

 

 

Anyway, big fall in inflation again. ****ing labour ruining the country. Am I doing this right?

I never get too hung up on headlines about inflation. Ok, so inflation drops, this helps lower mortgage rates if you're variable/tracker or when your fixed rate ends. Anyone fortunate enough to have some savings will suffer though with banks paying less interest. In the main though, the majority of everyday costs are still massive.....energy costs for homes and business, fuel cost for individuals and business, and food costs in the supermarket are still way higher then they were say 3 or 4 years ago. Also, inflation busting council taxes too (that show no sign of ending) means the vast majority of us are considerably more worse off financially than we've ever been. I bet the folk saving £50-£100 a month on a lower mortgage rate are paying way more than that in additional costs, when you add up their other utility, food and travel bills each month. Let's not forget too, that home and car insurance has rocketed as well over the past 2 years.

[jack D and coke]

7 hours ago, Dennis Denuto said:

There are reports of it maybe being an issue but only one confirmed case, which was before it was even announced. 
 

Suicide in farming is a big issue, I doubt trying to use it frame government policy is a wise move. 

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/17qXRjpfrQ/?mibextid=wwXIfr
 

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 hours ago, hmfcbilly said:

I never get too hung up on headlines about inflation. Ok, so inflation drops, this helps lower mortgage rates if you're variable/tracker or when your fixed rate ends. Anyone fortunate enough to have some savings will suffer though with banks paying less interest. In the main though, the majority of everyday costs are still massive.....energy costs for homes and business, fuel cost for individuals and business, and food costs in the supermarket are still way higher then they were say 3 or 4 years ago. Also, inflation busting council taxes too (that show no sign of ending) means the vast majority of us are considerably more worse off financially than we've ever been. I bet the folk saving £50-£100 a month on a lower mortgage rate are paying way more than that in additional costs, when you add up their other utility, food and travel bills each month. Let's not forget too, that home and car insurance has rocketed as well over the past 2 years.

Yep . Means didly squat really 

[Dennis Denuto]

3 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/17qXRjpfrQ/?mibextid=wwXIfr
 

There are plenty of issues farmers have to face the inheritance tax one is not something I support them on. Land values are massively over inflated and that’s the problem not tax issues. 

[jack D and coke]

11 minutes ago, Dennis Denuto said:

There are plenty of issues farmers have to face the inheritance tax one is not something I support them on. Land values are massively over inflated and that’s the problem not tax issues. 

Expert on farming? Why are these people contemplating suicide? 
All the farming unions just want a pause in the legislation and some extra dialogue but Starmer not having it.

He’s making some amount of enemies. 

[Dennis Denuto]

11 minutes ago, jack D and coke said:

Expert on farming? Why are these people contemplating suicide? 
All the farming unions just want a pause in the legislation and some extra dialogue but Starmer not having it.

He’s making some amount of enemies. 

It’s been over a year already since it was announced. I am no expert on farming but if you can’t make enough money because the cost of the land is too much then there is something very wrong. 
 

There are only a small number relatively of farms this effects, getting a fair price for their produce is a far bigger issue, also planning and other obstacles. Costs of fuel, energy, feed, seeds. All much more important than inheritance tax, but it is a problem for those who have access to people who can raise the issue for them. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

I think the issues re farming and suicidal incidences seem related to them being isolated due to rural locations and also men have higher rates  of suicide , much higher . For a variety of reasons . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

Also easier access to rifles / gun too 

[Dennis Denuto]

7 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I think the issues re farming and suicidal incidences seem related to them being isolated due to rural locations and also men have higher rates  of suicide , much higher . For a variety of reasons . 

I agree, I think farming suicides are being hijacked to try and create sympathy for an unrelated issue. If the tax issue has merit it will stand to scrutiny on its own, I suspect that it hasn’t got enough traction and this is a final attempt to drum up support.  

[Victorian]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qednjzwv1o

 

Part of the government's plan to tackle violence against women and girls.   AKA doing something about it.

 

Meanwhile,  the Tory position of criticism is preposterous.   Apparently doing something about it is a gimmick.   That it's really just about having more police and cracking down on foreign criminals.   The latter being a really scummy attempt to tap into a particular strand of a wider issue.

 

All this from the party who hollowed out police numbers,  did nothing at all about foreign criminals and said virtually nothing about violence against women and girls.

 

Utter scum being utterly scum.

Edited December 18, 2025 by Victorian

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 minutes ago, Victorian said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qednjzwv1o

 

Part of the government's plan to tackle violence against women and girls.   AKA doing something about it.

 

Meanwhile,  the Tory position of criticism is preposterous.   Apparently doing something about it is a gimmick.   That it's really just about having more police and cracking down on foreign criminals.   The latter being a really scummy attempt to tap into a particular strand of a wider issue.

 

All this from the party who hollowed out police numbers,  did nothing at all about foreign criminals and said virtually nothing about violence against women and girls.

 

Utter scum being utterly scum.

If Labour can clarify exactly the definition of what a woman is maybe this initiative might reap some benefits . You can’t protect a group if you can’t define the status of those in that group. Sex based violence is real so can naff off with the “ gender “ tags . Hopefully they tackle all forms of misogyny within different races and religions and not targeting  just white boys. Rather doubt it though . Too politically sensitive . Cowardly really . 

[BlueRiver]

16 minutes ago, Victorian said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qednjzwv1o

 

Part of the government's plan to tackle violence against women and girls.   AKA doing something about it.

 

Meanwhile,  the Tory position of criticism is preposterous.   Apparently doing something about it is a gimmick.   That it's really just about having more police and cracking down on foreign criminals.   The latter being a really scummy attempt to tap into a particular strand of a wider issue.

 

All this from the party who hollowed out police numbers,  did nothing at all about foreign criminals and said virtually nothing about violence against women and girls.

 

Utter scum being utterly scum.

 

 

Wont matter though. 

 

Folk are ****ing goldfish and 15 years of Tories bulldozing society is the fault of Starmer and whatever daft rhyme they've made up for him this week. 

[Dennis Denuto]

2 minutes ago, BlueRiver said:

 

 

Wont matter though. 

 

Folk are ****ing goldfish and 15 years of Tories bulldozing society is the fault of Starmer and whatever daft rhyme they've made up for him this week. 

Agreed. It is all over the political threads on here to see. A week is indeed a longtime ……

[Victorian]

13 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

If Labour can clarify exactly the definition of what a woman is maybe this initiative might reap some benefits . You can’t protect a group if you can’t define the status of those in that group. Sex based violence is real so can naff off with the “ gender “ tags . Hopefully they tackle all forms of misogyny within different races and religions and not targeting  just white boys. Rather doubt it though . Too politically sensitive . Cowardly really . 

 

Away and run up a pole J.

[XB52]

8 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Away and run up a pole J.

Every thing comes down to trans in his mind, no matter the subject

[Victorian]

More on the Badenoch ****wit.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/dec/18/badenoch-accused-of-inaccurate-claims-violence-against-women

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

16 minutes ago, Victorian said:

 

Away and run up a pole J.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Every thing comes down to trans in his mind, no matter the subject

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, Victorian said:

More on the Badenoch ****wit.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/dec/18/badenoch-accused-of-inaccurate-claims-violence-against-women

 

 

She’s completely nailed it .

 

bravo 

 

 

[Victorian]

Despite everyone in the agency / support group space welcoming what the government are trying to get on with and criticising Badenoch's horrendous opportunism.

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

LABOUR: SCAPEGOATING young boys for the crimes of MEN

 

"Why Labour Is Targeting Schoolboys Instead of the Real Source of Violence

 

The government has announced that schoolboys will be taught how to "respect women and girls" as part of a £20 million drive to halve violence against women within a decade. Eleven-year-old boys are now being treated as a national risk category. Teachers will be trained to spot "warning signs." Children will be steered into deradicalisation programmes. This is sold as early intervention and moral seriousness. In reality, it is moral theatre – a government that has lost control of borders, policing, and criminal justice dumping responsibility onto classrooms and onto children who are neither the cause nor the drivers of the problem.

Kemi Badenoch is right to call this out. Eleven-year-old boys are not perpetrating the epidemic of sexual violence scarring Britain. In many of our large cities, white British boys are no longer even the majority in schools. Yet they are being collectively targeted, lectured, and pathologised as if masculinity itself were the threat. This is not safeguarding. It is scapegoating."

 

[Victorian]

What cesspit did you haul that from?

[Victorian]

11 year old boys become men btw.

[John Findlay]

47 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

LABOUR: SCAPEGOATING young boys for the crimes of MEN

 

"Why Labour Is Targeting Schoolboys Instead of the Real Source of Violence

 

The government has announced that schoolboys will be taught how to "respect women and girls" as part of a £20 million drive to halve violence against women within a decade. Eleven-year-old boys are now being treated as a national risk category. Teachers will be trained to spot "warning signs." Children will be steered into deradicalisation programmes. This is sold as early intervention and moral seriousness. In reality, it is moral theatre – a government that has lost control of borders, policing, and criminal justice dumping responsibility onto classrooms and onto children who are neither the cause nor the drivers of the problem.

Kemi Badenoch is right to call this out. Eleven-year-old boys are not perpetrating the epidemic of sexual violence scarring Britain. In many of our large cities, white British boys are no longer even the majority in schools. Yet they are being collectively targeted, lectured, and pathologised as if masculinity itself were the threat. This is not safeguarding. It is scapegoating."

 

Here was me thinking this is a hat parents are for, especially father's.

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Here was me thinking this is a hat parents are for, especially father's.

Aye if they are middle class parents , they are fine . It’s just those white working class potential Tommy Robinsons who need rooted out and “ de radicalised “ by over zealous “ educators “ . 

[Victorian]

5 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Here was me thinking this is a hat parents are for, especially father's.

 

Nail on head.   But it seems to be severely lacking.

 

So when parents and other role models do make an effort and often succeed at bringing up children to know all types of right from wrong... is that being a role model and education,  or is it parents scapegoating their own children for the wrongs of men?   It's education.   It's being a role model.   It's teaching right from wrong.

 

Yet the screechbot right wing scum media seem to be able to convince that right & wrong education in schools is not that at all.   It's scapegoating.

 

What a load of braindead shite.   

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

BBC News - Government data stolen in hack, minister confirms 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj4qpwprw9vo

 

Hopefully this puts an end to Tony Bliar selling our personal data to various Epstein nonces that he's pals with.

[The Mighty Thor]

11 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Aye if they are middle class parents , they are fine . It’s just those white working class potential Tommy Robinsons who need rooted out and “ de radicalised “ by over zealous “ educators “ . 

Thats a spectacular leap of 'logic' 😂