Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?

[Ked]

Governments we elect are governed.

And it's not by us lot 

Labour busy trying to prove they're fit to the people who matter most.

Out torying the Tories .

 

[manaliveits105]

2 hours ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Pray for the SNP supporters on this.

 

 

There's none left 

[JudyJudyJudy]

5 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

There's none left 

Not quite mate . They have came out of the woodwork again after Elsie’s pardon ! 

[Martin B]

1 hour ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Thatcher still living in the wooden heeds of scottish nationalists some 35 years after losing power. 

With a dad and uncles who were miners, she’ll always have a special wee space in my head. Fortunately I’ve redecorated that space to be a place of kindness and generosity which encourages me to look out for others the way people looked out for my family during the strikes. 👍🏻

[JudyJudyJudy]

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

When even Polly "clothes peg" Toynbee is criticising the Starmer and Reeves shitshow, you know Labour is goosed.

[Ked]

37 minutes ago, Martin B said:

With a dad and uncles who were miners, she’ll always have a special wee space in my head. Fortunately I’ve redecorated that space to be a place of kindness and generosity which encourages me to look out for others the way people looked out for my family during the strikes. 👍🏻

Russian infiltrated unions destroying the fabric of our society.

 

 

Or was that ....wait

 

[Martin B]

12 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Bless you Martin, your a good egg. 

“It’s nice to be nice” as

my dad always says.👍🏻

[Jambof3tornado]

What a bloody mess we're in.

[JudyJudyJudy]

34 minutes ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Bless you Martin, your a good egg. 

Reminds me of that great line from a film 

 

 

“ what a story , everything but the bloodhounds snapping at her rear end” 

[il Duce McTarkin]

On 20/03/2025 at 20:16, Libertarian said:

My God Keir Hardie must be turning in his grave.

 

Not much left of him to turn, I wouldn't imagine.

 

Pickling leaders wasn't really a British thing.

[Gerry1874]

Well done Rachel it's time Britain was diverted away from it's free money entitlement culture. 

 

On another note great to see Mrs Thatcher living well in the heads of so many.

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

11 hours ago, Lord Montpelier said:

Thatcher still living in the wooden heeds of scottish nationalists some 35 years after losing power. 

The only people I know that say things like that are blowhards on the internet.

Never heard anyone say that in real life.

[Martin B]

8 minutes ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

The only people I know that say things like that are blowhards on the internet.

Never heard anyone say that in real life.

[Gundermann]

11 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

When even Polly "clothes peg" Toynbee is criticising the Starmer and Reeves shitshow, you know Labour is goosed.

 

All the newspaper headlines are critical, from Scotsman to Independent to Mail.

 

It's Truss all over again. 

[Libertarian]

It's incredible that there still appear to be individuals who want to defend Labour. Starmer and Reeves are proving to be disastrous for the British economy. They make Truss look like a mathematical genius. Labour claim that they are the party of employment yet they have increased taxes on employers which is costing jobs. In order to try and find the cash to spend on weapons they have attacked the most vulnerable in society. The elderly, young, sick and disabled. Anyone defending this stuff has a serious problem.

[Roxy Hearts]

13 hours ago, manaliveits105 said:

There's none left 

Mon the SNP! 😂

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

2 hours ago, Martin B said:

I know, especially when we're living through that bitch's idea of economic utopia.

[WorldChampions1902]

On 20/03/2025 at 15:49, Spitonastranger said:

 

Brilliant! 🤣

[WorldChampions1902]

On 26/03/2025 at 09:32, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

One major difference, though

 

 

Thatcher’s former Deputy PM certainly killed her Premiership.  A verbal assault by Geoffrey Howe was once described as “like being attacked by a dead sheep”. And yet it was Geoffrey’s utterly devastating speech in the House of Commons that ripped the bitch to shreds and ended her.

 

To compound matters (for her), HoC proceedings had only recently commenced broadcast on TV, so the public were able to watch every excruciating second of her obliteration.

 

It was, to put it mildly………..

 

[jack D and coke]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/26/everything-is-great-nothing-to-see-here-rachel-reeves-tells-mps
Not like the guardian to rip labour…

Says a lot. 

[Japan Jambo]

2 hours ago, jack D and coke said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/26/everything-is-great-nothing-to-see-here-rachel-reeves-tells-mps
Not like the guardian to rip labour…

Says a lot. 

 

have to say I enjoyed that

[Gerry1874]

10 hours ago, Libertarian said:

It's incredible that there still appear to be individuals who want to defend Labour. Starmer and Reeves are proving to be disastrous for the British economy. They make Truss look like a mathematical genius. Labour claim that they are the party of employment yet they have increased taxes on employers which is costing jobs. In order to try and find the cash to spend on weapons they have attacked the most vulnerable in society. The elderly, young, sick and disabled. Anyone defending this stuff has a serious problem.

People need to realise those that pay tax are already paying at the highest level in decades (even higher if your in Scotland). Handouts might feel nice but they cost. It's time for people to realise we can't have everything for everyone and we need to live within our means.

[JamboAl]

10 hours ago, Libertarian said:

It's incredible that there still appear to be individuals who want to defend Labour. Starmer and Reeves are proving to be disastrous for the British economy. They make Truss look like a mathematical genius. Labour claim that they are the party of employment yet they have increased taxes on employers which is costing jobs. In order to try and find the cash to spend on weapons they have attacked the most vulnerable in society. The elderly, young, sick and disabled. Anyone defending this stuff has a serious problem.

Are you saying that anyone who disgrees with your view has a serious problem?

 

Starmer and Reeves inherited a shitload of debt and problems caused by Tory incompetence and cuts or increased taxes had to happen whatever party gained power.  Under the Tories we already had the highest tax take in history and Labour said they would not increase income//corporation/capital gains tax.  That only leaves cuts.  Where would you have cut costs?

 

BTW   While I am a little confused about how the benefits bill is going to be cut in practice* I may add that I had a relative who from birth was wheelchair bound with restricted faculties, and she made great efforts to work and managed well - full time!  There are many such people out there who want to work and become less dependent on others.

* I hope that medics and not civil servants will be judging on who can/cannot work.

[Wee Hamish McDonald]

12 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

All the newspaper headlines are critical, from Scotsman to Independent to Mail.

 

It's Truss all over again. 

 

Aye it feels the same

[Libertarian]

 

[Libertarian]

1 hour ago, JamboAl said:

Are you saying that anyone who disgrees with your view has a serious problem?

 

Starmer and Reeves inherited a shitload of debt and problems caused by Tory incompetence and cuts or increased taxes had to happen whatever party gained power.  Under the Tories we already had the highest tax take in history and Labour said they would not increase income//corporation/capital gains tax.  That only leaves cuts.  Where would you have cut costs?

 

BTW   While I am a little confused about how the benefits bill is going to be cut in practice* I may add that I had a relative who from birth was wheelchair bound with restricted faculties, and she made great efforts to work and managed well - full time!  There are many such people out there who want to work and become less dependent on others.

* I hope that medics and not civil servants will be judging on who can/cannot work.

You are aware that many of those affected by these cuts are in employment and many are disabled? According to the TUC 

3.2 million children in poverty are in WORKING households.

There has been a 1.8 MILLION rise in relative poverty since 2010.

And a 1.1 MILLION increase in children in poverty.

12.3 MILLION people in total across the UK are in absolute poverty.

Poverty surged during Tory years, and the

disability benefits cuts will push more into poverty

[John Findlay]

3 minutes ago, Libertarian said:

You are aware that many of those affected by these cuts are in employment and many are disabled? According to the TUC 

3.2 million children in poverty are in WORKING households.

There has been a 1.8 MILLION rise in relative poverty since 2010.

And a 1.1 MILLION increase in children in poverty.

12.3 MILLION people in total across the UK are in absolute poverty.

Poverty surged during Tory years, and the

disability benefits cuts will push more into poverty

What is the definition of relative poverty and absolute poverty nowadays?

[JamboAl]

27 minutes ago, Libertarian said:

 

1 minute ago, Libertarian said:

You are aware that many of those affected by these cuts are in employment and many are disabled? According to the TUC 

3.2 million children in poverty are in WORKING households.

There has been a 1.8 MILLION rise in relative poverty since 2010.

And a 1.1 MILLION increase in children in poverty.

12.3 MILLION people in total across the UK are in absolute poverty.

Poverty surged during Tory years, and the

disability benefits cuts will push more into poverty

What cuts do you suggest?

The highlighted parts merely emphasise the absolute mess the Tories left and somehow you seem to expect it to be remedied in 9 months.

Next you'll be asking how Starmer is going to staff the 40 new hospitals that Bojo promised.

[redjambo]

3 hours ago, John Findlay said:

What is the definition of relative poverty and absolute poverty nowadays?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z7gmn39/revision/3

[John Findlay]

6 hours ago, redjambo said:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z7gmn39/revision/3

Definitions most certainly, but are they correct? I admit, I have my doubts.

[Gundermann]

10 hours ago, JamboAl said:

What cuts do you suggest?

The highlighted parts merely emphasise the absolute mess the Tories left and somehow you seem to expect it to be remedied in 9 months.

Next you'll be asking how Starmer is going to staff the 40 new hospitals that Bojo promised.

 

I suggest not reversing the Digital Services Tax and giving the billionaires of Facebook and Amazon yet another tax break and yet more dosh. Maybe add more tax to the rich, to SUVs and yachts etc? Why socialism for the rich and austerity for the poor?

[Dawnrazor]

54 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

I suggest not reversing the Digital Services Tax and giving the billionaires of Facebook and Amazon yet another tax break and yet more dosh. Maybe add more tax to the rich, to SUVs and yachts etc? Why socialism for the rich and austerity for the poor?

What do you mean by "SUV"? Do you mean a 4x4? Would you give a tax exemption to people who live and work in rural areas who rely on such a vehicle?

[Gundermann]

5 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

What do you mean by "SUV"? Do you mean a 4x4? Would you give a tax exemption to people who live and work in rural areas who rely on such a vehicle?

 

Yeah, I'm sure a tax exemption for those who need one due to occupation would be easy enough to arrange.

[JamboAl]

2 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

Yeah, I'm sure a tax exemption for those who need one due to occupation would be easy enough to arrange.

Yes, with an army of civil servants to deal with claims and appeals. 

Did the Tories reverse the digital tax system and did Labour say they would?  That might come in the Autumn when they have finished their review of the true state of the economy left by the Tories.

[Gundermann]

1 minute ago, JamboAl said:

Yes, with an army of civil servants to deal with claims and appeals. 

Did the Tories reverse the digital tax system and did Labour say they would?  That might come in the Autumn when they have finished their review of the true state of the economy left by the Tories.

 

People already get exemptions based on ability or geography - Blue Badge holders for example and those on islands who get various allowances and discounted ferry travel.

 

Not sure if the DST has happened yet but they're mulling it over. Even the BBC is saying they're doing it to appease Trump.

[InternationalJambo]

This looks like it’s gonna sell out soon if the seats available are the only ones remaining? 

[Nookie Bear]

14 hours ago, JamboAl said:

Are you saying that anyone who disgrees with your view has a serious problem?

 

Starmer and Reeves inherited a shitload of debt and problems caused by Tory incompetence and cuts or increased taxes had to happen whatever party gained power.  Under the Tories we already had the highest tax take in history and Labour said they would not increase income//corporation/capital gains tax.  That only leaves cuts.  Where would you have cut costs?

 

BTW   While I am a little confused about how the benefits bill is going to be cut in practice* I may add that I had a relative who from birth was wheelchair bound with restricted faculties, and she made great efforts to work and managed well - full time!  There are many such people out there who want to work and become less dependent on others.

* I hope that medics and not civil servants will be judging on who can/cannot work.

 

I think the point is that Labour promised change and whilst i am sure they have done many things so far that we would applaud and say it is a good change, it also feels that the economic approach to fixing problems is very...Conservative.

 

Why did Labour say they would not increase income/corporation/capital gains tax? Why was that taken off the table before they even started?

This is a government with a massive majority and could really give radical change without serious opposition within the House. Unfortunately it seems as captive to the demands of the global wealthy as the Tories were.

[Martin B]

35 minutes ago, InternationalJambo said:

This looks like it’s gonna sell out soon if the seats available are the only ones remaining? 

Labour seats for sale? 
 

[Bairnjambo]

3 hours ago, John Findlay said:

Definitions most certainly, but are they correct? I admit, I have my doubts.

What makes you doubt the definitions?

[JamboAl]

24 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

I think the point is that Labour promised change and whilst i am sure they have done many things so far that we would applaud and say it is a good change, it also feels that the economic approach to fixing problems is very...Conservative.

 

Why did Labour say they would not increase income/corporation/capital gains tax? Why was that taken off the table before they even started?

This is a government with a massive majority and could really give radical change without serious opposition within the House. Unfortunately it seems as captive to the demands of the global wealthy as the Tories were.

Time will tell

[Bairnjambo]

24 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

I think the point is that Labour promised change and whilst i am sure they have done many things so far that we would applaud and say it is a good change, it also feels that the economic approach to fixing problems is very...Conservative.

 

Why did Labour say they would not increase income/corporation/capital gains tax? Why was that taken off the table before they even started?

This is a government with a massive majority and could really give radical change without serious opposition within the House. Unfortunately it seems as captive to the demands of the global wealthy as the Tories were.

This is it in a nutshell for me.

 

Labour's main overarching strategy seems to be to appease the right side of British politics and their friends and supporters.

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, Gundermann said:

 

People already get exemptions based on ability or geography - Blue Badge holders for example and those on islands who get various allowances and discounted ferry travel.

 

Not sure if the DST has happened yet but they're mulling it over. Even the BBC is saying they're doing it to appease Trump.

So there would be no extra administration and no additional cost?

[John Findlay]

13 minutes ago, Bairnjambo said:

What makes you doubt the definitions?

Regardless of how bad some may regard the NHS, everyone and I mean everyone in the UK has access to it.

So everyone has access to medical care regardless of how poor or otherwise they may judge it.

Absolute poverty, I don't think anyone in the UK is, unless they have chosen to be, I know that sounds ridiculous but nowadays some regard ridiculous as the norm.

Relative poverty, harder to judge in my opinion. Are there poor people, most certainly but I personally(there will be others who will disagree) believe there is a difference between being poor and being in poverty. Relative or otherwise.

[Nookie Bear]

1 hour ago, JamboAl said:

Time will tell

 

They won't have time if they carry on like this because they will be hammered at the next GE

[JamboAl]

1 hour ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

They won't have time if they carry on like this because they will be hammered at the next GE

They'll likely have 4+ years, will they not?

As an analogy, when Neil Critchley took over he was widely criticised when he hardly had time to get his feet under the desk.  Now even his fiercest critics are warming to him.

[hughesie27]

3 hours ago, John Findlay said:

Regardless of how bad some may regard the NHS, everyone and I mean everyone in the UK has access to it.

So everyone has access to medical care regardless of how poor or otherwise they may judge it.

Absolute poverty, I don't think anyone in the UK is, unless they have chosen to be, I know that sounds ridiculous but nowadays some regard ridiculous as the norm.

Relative poverty, harder to judge in my opinion. Are there poor people, most certainly but I personally(there will be others who will disagree) believe there is a difference between being poor and being in poverty. Relative or otherwise.

Why the emphasis on the NHS? 

Google definition of Absolute Poverty is 

 

Absolute poverty: refers to the state of being unable to afford basic necessities, such as food, shelter, and clothing. 

 

Depending on how you decide what "afford" means, ie. Do you consider those who depend on housing benefit for shelter as being able to afford it or not, plenty folk in the UK could fall under all of these categories.

 

 

[Gerry1874]

Too many looking for options to tax. You can't tax your way to economic growth and it's growing the economy is what will fund services.

[John Findlay]

54 minutes ago, hughesie27 said:

Why the emphasis on the NHS? 

Google definition of Absolute Poverty is 

 

Absolute poverty: refers to the state of being unable to afford basic necessities, such as food, shelter, and clothing. 

 

Depending on how you decide what "afford" means, ie. Do you consider those who depend on housing benefit for shelter as being able to afford it or not, plenty folk in the UK could fall under all of these categories.

 

 

Not affording healthcare was in the definition of absolute poverty that I read.

Everyone in the UK has access to healthcare.

[Nookie Bear]

53 minutes ago, Gerry1874 said:

Too many looking for options to tax. You can't tax your way to economic growth and it's growing the economy is what will fund services.

So how do we achieve that?