Is there anything in politics more shit than the Labour Party?

[Gundermann]

2 hours ago, BlueRiver said:

 

I've never seen Blubbermann post a slightly optimistic post in his life so I wouldn't count on it. 

 

Take your blue-tinted specs off then.

[BlueRiver]

Just now, Gundermann said:

 

Take your blue-tinted specs off then.

 

😂😂 away yi go ya whinge. 

 

No got a Richard Murphy blog for us the day. 

[Gundermann]

Just now, BlueRiver said:

 

😂😂 away yi go ya whinge. 

 

No got a Richard Murphy blog for us the day. 

 

[BlueRiver]

4 minutes ago, Gundermann said:

 

 

😂😂 fair play. Made me laugh with that one. 

[Mikey1874]

Labour Government has made it clear there will be no slavery reparations paid. King Charles will just have to listen politely at the Commonwealth leaders meeting. 

 

Also Keir Starmer says people will continue to be able to smoke in pub gardens. 

[Cade]

Keef says no CASH reparations, so expect them to come in the form of trade deals and/or easy work visa initiatives.

[manaliveits105]

Surprised  the Scottish Government haven't agreed to reparations yet ? 

[Lord Montpelier]

6 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Surprised  the Scottish Government haven't agreed to reparations yet ? 

Don't give them ideas. 

[Ulysses]

 

When I saw this headline my first thought was that he had a whip, but that he dropped it while he was punching someone.

 

[jack D and coke]

 

[indianajones]

Imagine losing your job with an awful left hook like that.

[jack D and coke]

A cowardly blow too..guy looks away and he tries to sucker punch. 
Sort of sums Labour up that.
Promise moonbeams and rainbows then sucker punch you and blame the tories. 
They really are scum. 

[Mikey1874]

Would have thought there would have been a lot of people on here criticising Labour for this.

 

Streeting: private schools can mitigate VAT on fees 'if they’re the good charities they say they are'

Health secretary Wes Streeting has robustly defended Labour’s plans to end the VAT tax break for independent private schools.

Speaking on LBC radio, the health secretary said:

I would just say to independent schools, you have hiked your fees up with inflation-busting increases year after year after year since 2010 and now you’re pleading poverty.

If you are worried about whether children in your schools will continue to access your schools, you’ll have to cut your cloth in the way that state schools have had to.

In a barbed reference to the charitable status many schools have enjoyed over the years, Streeting continued:

They have hiked up their fees with inflation-busting increases for well over a decade, and they can, I’m sure, take steps to mitigate against children being forced to drop out if if they’re the good charities they say they are.

 

[Japan Jambo]

2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

Would have thought there would have been a lot of people on here criticising Labour for this.

 

Streeting: private schools can mitigate VAT on fees 'if they’re the good charities they say they are'

Health secretary Wes Streeting has robustly defended Labour’s plans to end the VAT tax break for independent private schools.

Speaking on LBC radio, the health secretary said:

I would just say to independent schools, you have hiked your fees up with inflation-busting increases year after year after year since 2010 and now you’re pleading poverty.

If you are worried about whether children in your schools will continue to access your schools, you’ll have to cut your cloth in the way that state schools have had to.

In a barbed reference to the charitable status many schools have enjoyed over the years, Streeting continued:

They have hiked up their fees with inflation-busting increases for well over a decade, and they can, I’m sure, take steps to mitigate against children being forced to drop out if if they’re the good charities they say they are.

 

 

They telegraphed this populist move well ahead of the election, whether or not one agrees they at least have a mandate for it. Tomorrows shit show on the other hand could be full of half truths and deceits but we'll just need to wait and see on that score...

[Gundermann]

3 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

Would have thought there would have been a lot of people on here criticising Labour for this.

 

Streeting: private schools can mitigate VAT on fees 'if they’re the good charities they say they are'

Health secretary Wes Streeting has robustly defended Labour’s plans to end the VAT tax break for independent private schools.

Speaking on LBC radio, the health secretary said:

I would just say to independent schools, you have hiked your fees up with inflation-busting increases year after year after year since 2010 and now you’re pleading poverty.

If you are worried about whether children in your schools will continue to access your schools, you’ll have to cut your cloth in the way that state schools have had to.

In a barbed reference to the charitable status many schools have enjoyed over the years, Streeting continued:

They have hiked up their fees with inflation-busting increases for well over a decade, and they can, I’m sure, take steps to mitigate against children being forced to drop out if if they’re the good charities they say they are.

 

 

He's spot on there.

 

He needs to hike tax on SUVs as well.

Edited October 29, 2024 by Gundermann

[i wish jj was my dad]

9 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

Would have thought there would have been a lot of people on here criticising Labour for this.

 

Streeting: private schools can mitigate VAT on fees 'if they’re the good charities they say they are'

Health secretary Wes Streeting has robustly defended Labour’s plans to end the VAT tax break for independent private schools.

Speaking on LBC radio, the health secretary said:

I would just say to independent schools, you have hiked your fees up with inflation-busting increases year after year after year since 2010 and now you’re pleading poverty.

If you are worried about whether children in your schools will continue to access your schools, you’ll have to cut your cloth in the way that state schools have had to.

In a barbed reference to the charitable status many schools have enjoyed over the years, Streeting continued:

They have hiked up their fees with inflation-busting increases for well over a decade, and they can, I’m sure, take steps to mitigate against children being forced to drop out if if they’re the good charities they say they are.

 

Not sure there is much to disagree with in that tbh. Public sector and society in general has had to live with the consequences of the state sabotage of the economy post austerity. Independent schools are belatedly being asked to do the same. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 hours ago, Gundermann said:

 

He's spot on there.

 

He needs to hike tax on SUVs as well.

You really are quite envious of others success . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

14 minutes ago, i wish jj was my dad said:

Not sure there is much to disagree with in that tbh. Public sector and society in general has had to live with the consequences of the state sabotage of the economy post austerity. Independent schools are belatedly being asked to do the same. 

You really are quite envious of others success

[Punks No Deid]

Why should they get preferential treatment? JJJ?

[redjambo]

54 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

You really are quite envious of others success . 

 

SUVs are generally gas guzzlers. We could do with less of them on the roads and more focus on fuel efficiency.

[Dawnrazor]

Just now, redjambo said:

 

SUVs are generally gas guzzlers. We could do with less of them on the roads and more focus on fuel efficiency.

My wife drives one, we live in a very rural area, ours is more of a necessity, the track down to our house would be too hard on a Prius, don't judge me 😢

[Joey J J Jr Shabadoo]

2 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

SUVs are generally gas guzzlers. We could do with less of them on the roads and more focus on fuel efficiency.

If it was a measure of success he'd probably drive a tuk-tuk.

[redjambo]

Just now, Dawnrazor said:

My wife drives one, we live in a very rural area, ours is more of a necessity, the track down to our house would be too hard on a Prius, don't judge me 😢

 

Would I judge you, DR? In cases like that, I can see why a larger car might be useful. However, many folk have them when they're unnecessary. Would you be willing to pay more car tax to have that car if said car tax was based partly on the fuel efficiency of the taxed car?

[tightrope]

3 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Would I judge you, DR? In cases like that, I can see why a larger car might be useful. However, many folk have them when they're unnecessary. Would you be willing to pay more car tax to have that car if said car tax was based partly on the fuel efficiency of the taxed car?

I have an SUV, 1.4 petrol, what about electric SUV's? Is it just those three letters that should be taxed more. Some SUV's have a 1 litre engine. 

[Dawnrazor]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Would I judge you, DR? In cases like that, I can see why a larger car might be useful. However, many folk have them when they're unnecessary. Would you be willing to pay more car tax to have that car if said car tax was based partly on the fuel efficiency of the taxed car?

Only kidding red 👍

Probably not, to answer your question, unless there is exemptions for "working 4x4's".

My firm just couldn't exist if we didn't use Land Rovers, Hilux, Dmax and the like, they are absolutely essential, as they are to many farms, estates, tree surgeons etc.

Yes, to the urban dweller who drives a Range Rover Sport.

 

[redjambo]

1 minute ago, tightrope said:

I have an SUV, 1.4 petrol, what about electric SUV's? Is it just those three letters that should be taxed more. Some SUV's have a 1 litre engine. 

 

No, of course not. The definition shouldn't be based on a "term" or class of vehicle, it should be on the fuel efficiency of the vehicle in addition to the current CO2 emissions and other factors. There should be more of a financial pressure not to own gas guzzlers.

[i wish jj was my dad]

42 minutes ago, Punks No Deid said:

Why should they get preferential treatment? JJJ?

He can't remember all the shite he flings  and gets himself tied in knots forgetting who he is swinging at and why. 

[tightrope]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

No, of course not. The definition shouldn't be based on a "term" or class of vehicle, it should be on the fuel efficiency of the vehicle in addition to the current CO2 emissions and other factors. There should be more of a financial pressure not to own gas guzzlers.

👍 agreed.

[JudyJudyJudy]

Just now, i wish jj was my dad said:

He can't remember all the shite he flings  and gets himself tied in knots forgetting who he is swinging at and why. 

You looking in the mirror again , mousey 

[JudyJudyJudy]

18 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

SUVs are generally gas guzzlers. We could do with less of them on the roads and more focus on fuel efficiency.

Yes I am aware of that . It’s more about the school issue I was meaning 

[redjambo]

3 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

Only kidding red 👍

Probably not, to answer your question, unless there is exemptions for "working 4x4's".

My firm just couldn't exist if we didn't use Land Rovers, Hilux, Dmax and the like, they are absolutely essential, as they are to many farms, estates, tree surgeons etc.

Yes, to the urban dweller who drives a Range Rover Sport.

 

 

I know.

 

If you or someone else can come up with a workable and implementable definition of "a working 4x4" then why not? Folk will always find ways around regulations though, so the term would have to be fairly tightly defined.

[JudyJudyJudy]

53 minutes ago, Punks No Deid said:

Why should they get preferential treatment? JJJ?

Because they are taking pressure of public schools . 

[Dawnrazor]

6 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

I know.

 

If you or someone else can come up with a workable and implementable definition of "a working 4x4" then why not? Folk will always find ways around regulations though, so the term would have to be fairly tightly defined.

My worry is that a "workable and implementable definition of "a working 4x4" won't be considered and people who need them will be hit, trust me, it's difficult enough making ends meet in the uplands a lot of the time.

A lot of people who work and live in the countryside use a crewcab pickup, they've been a godsend, now a family can have one, genuine working/family car, a wife, imo, shouldn't be taxed for using the farm/firms car to take the kids to school or for the messages.

 

*Edit*

 

Messages = Shopping, for our younger viewers, showing my age there 🤦🤦

Edited October 29, 2024 by Dawnrazor

[redjambo]

2 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

My worry is that a "workable and implementable definition of "a working 4x4" won't be considered and people who need them will be hit, trust me, it's difficult enough making ends meet in the uplands a lot of the time.

A lot of people who work and live in the countryside use a crewcab pickup, they've been a godsend, now a family can have one, genuine working/family car, a wife, imo, shouldn't be taxed for using the farm/firms car to take the kids to school or for the messages.

 

*Edit*

 

Messages = Shopping, for our younger viewers, showing my age there 🤦🤦

 

Fortunately I'm an older viewer.

 

I'm not clever enough to work out the minutiae. I'd just like to see more fuel-efficient cars on the roads and fewer gas guzzlers. How we do that is the challenge, without disadvantaging those who genuinely require a more powerful less fuel-efficient vehicle.

[Ulysses]

1 minute ago, redjambo said:

 

Fortunately I'm an older viewer.

 

I'm not clever enough to work out the minutiae. I'd just like to see more fuel-efficient cars on the roads and fewer gas guzzlers. How we do that is the challenge, without disadvantaging those who genuinely require a more powerful less fuel-efficient vehicle.

 

Just ban them from within a radius of 2 miles of any fee-charging school.  Problem solved.

 

[redjambo]

Just now, Ulysses said:

 

Just ban them from within a radius of 2 miles of any fee-charging school.  Problem solved.

 

 

[Dawnrazor]

4 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Fortunately I'm an older viewer.

 

I'm not clever enough to work out the minutiae. I'd just like to see more fuel-efficient cars on the roads and fewer gas guzzlers. How we do that is the challenge, without disadvantaging those who genuinely require a more powerful less fuel-efficient vehicle.

I don't disagree with you red 👍

[redjambo]

Just now, Dawnrazor said:

I don't disagree with you red 👍

 

Where's the fun in that?

 

Hope all is good down in your neck of the woods, DR.

[Dawnrazor]

3 minutes ago, redjambo said:

 

Where's the fun in that?

 

Hope all is good down in your neck of the woods, DR.

😂 Aye, good red, cheers, hope all's well with you 👍

[redjambo]

Just now, Dawnrazor said:

😂 Aye, good red, cheers, hope all's well with you 👍

 

Seeing the green shoots of recovery, thanks.

[Bairnjambo]

57 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Because they are taking pressure of public schools . 

In what way?

[Punks No Deid]

57 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

Because they are taking pressure of public schools . 

Why shouldn’t they pay tax? What makes them exempt? 

[Victorian]

Budget time soon.  Treasury team on the way to the house.  The boss wearing maroon.  The under secretary wearing green.

 

[Gizmo]

14 hours ago, Joey J J Jr Shabadoo said:

If it was a measure of success he'd probably drive a tuk-tuk.

😄

[New Town Loafer]

On 29/10/2024 at 10:01, Mikey1874 said:

Would have thought there would have been a lot of people on here criticising Labour for this.

 

Streeting: private schools can mitigate VAT on fees 'if they’re the good charities they say they are'

Health secretary Wes Streeting has robustly defended Labour’s plans to end the VAT tax break for independent private schools.

Speaking on LBC radio, the health secretary said:

I would just say to independent schools, you have hiked your fees up with inflation-busting increases year after year after year since 2010 and now you’re pleading poverty.

If you are worried about whether children in your schools will continue to access your schools, you’ll have to cut your cloth in the way that state schools have had to.

In a barbed reference to the charitable status many schools have enjoyed over the years, Streeting continued:

They have hiked up their fees with inflation-busting increases for well over a decade, and they can, I’m sure, take steps to mitigate against children being forced to drop out if if they’re the good charities they say they are.

 

A terrible policy and does nothing to dispel the accusations of ‘politics of envy’. Will negatively affect the state sector, too.

[Bozi]

**** me there's a lot of Tories in here eh? 

 

Folk all out to paint Labour in a bad light despite the absolute horror show of government since the Tories took power. 

 

They aren't perfect but let's give them a chance to resolve 14 years of Tory decline 

[Bungalow Bill]

29 minutes ago, New Town Loafer said:

A terrible policy and does nothing to dispel the accusations of ‘politics of envy’. Will negatively affect the state sector, too.

Some folk will be able to absorb and carry on with their standard of living. All the folk I know who send their kids private will go without other things in order to keep their kids in private school. So there’s no real benefit here from a VAT perspective. 
 

I went to a horrendous school in Edinburgh and decided from an early age I’d do everything I could to put my children through private school. Appreciate this has nothing to do with should VAT be on school fees. 
 

Should uni and private tuition fees be exempt if education is now deemed to be a ‘service’?

[Japan Jambo]

Is she trying to bore us all to death?

[Bungalow Bill]

Just now, Japan Jambo said:

Is she trying to bore us all to death?

It’s all part of the pantomime of parliament. They’re all guilty of it. 

[Victorian]

Hunt has never stopped gum flapping from opposite.  He's taken all the criticism of his tenure really,  really badly.