Салатные палочки Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Just finished on BBC Scotland. The story of Scotland's 1982 European Under-18 Championship win and Pat Nevin's search for footage of our goals in that final, which the BBC didn't cover or even mention in their review of the year that December. I didn't know Gary Mackay had scored in the final and what a goal it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFHearts Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Magic, do you have a link ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 (edited) Good programme and memories. Well worth looking it up on iPlayer. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018mch/the-lost-final Edited June 19, 2022 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFHearts Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Good programme and memories. Well worth looking it up on iPlayer. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018mch/the-lost-final Cheers my good Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Then the World Cup the following year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambo Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Thought this was about the "Contain them" Final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Scotland's youth teams near misses. 1989 FIFA U16 World Cup runner up to Saudi Arabia 1 James WILL(GK) 3 James BEATTIE 5 Kevin BAIN 6 Gary BOLLAN 8 John LINDSAY 10 Kevin McGOLDRICK 11 Paul DICKOV 13 Brian O NEILL 14 Tom MC MILLAN 15 Ian DOWNIE 18 Scott MARSHALL Substitutes 2 William DOLAN 4 Edward CONVILLE 7 Neil MURRAY 9 Craig FLANNINGAN 12 Martin DICKSON 16 Andrew McLAREN 17 David HAGEN 2006 UEFA U19 Championship runner up to Spain GK 1 Andrew McNeil RB 2 Andrew Cave-Brown CB 6 Scott Cuthbert (c) CB 19 Jamie Adams LB 3 Lee Wallace RM 7 Simon Ferry CM 16 Greg Cameron CM 4 Charles Grant CM 15 Ryan Conroy LM 10 Michael McGlinchey CF 8 Calum Elliot Substitutes: GK 12 Scott Fox DF 18 Mark Reynolds DF 5 Garry Kenneth MF 17 Brian Gilmour FW 14 Graham Dorrans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Салатные палочки Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 31 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Scotland's youth teams near misses. 1989 FIFA U16 World Cup runner up to Saudi Arabia 1 James WILL(GK) 3 James BEATTIE 5 Kevin BAIN 6 Gary BOLLAN 8 John LINDSAY 10 Kevin McGOLDRICK 11 Paul DICKOV 13 Brian O NEILL 14 Tom MC MILLAN 15 Ian DOWNIE 18 Scott MARSHALL Substitutes 2 William DOLAN 4 Edward CONVILLE 7 Neil MURRAY 9 Craig FLANNINGAN 12 Martin DICKSON 16 Andrew McLAREN 17 David HAGEN 2006 UEFA U19 Championship runner up to Spain GK 1 Andrew McNeil RB 2 Andrew Cave-Brown CB 6 Scott Cuthbert (c) CB 19 Jamie Adams LB 3 Lee Wallace RM 7 Simon Ferry CM 16 Greg Cameron CM 4 Charles Grant CM 15 Ryan Conroy LM 10 Michael McGlinchey CF 8 Calum Elliot Substitutes: GK 12 Scott Fox DF 18 Mark Reynolds DF 5 Garry Kenneth MF 17 Brian Gilmour FW 14 Graham Dorrans I remember watching the 2006 final on a Saturday night. I think it was live on BBC2. Was excited about Clum playing. He looked like some player at the time. Shame it didn't turn out that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCFHearts Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Sure 2yr prior the kids were amzing in Mexico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 31 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: Scotland's youth teams near misses. 2006 UEFA U19 Championship runner up to Spain GK 1 Andrew McNeil RB 2 Andrew Cave-Brown CB 6 Scott Cuthbert (c) CB 19 Jamie Adams LB 3 Lee Wallace RM 7 Simon Ferry CM 16 Greg Cameron CM 4 Charles Grant CM 15 Ryan Conroy LM 10 Michael McGlinchey CF 8 Calum Elliot Substitutes: GK 12 Scott Fox DF 18 Mark Reynolds DF 5 Garry Kenneth MF 17 Brian Gilmour FW 14 Graham Dorrans Getting to that final was an incredible achievement for Scotland, but mental to think only 6 of the squad called up actually went on to get a full cap. Garry Kenneth only got 2 caps and vanished off the face of the earth, Michael McGlinchey played international football albeit for New Zealand, Wallace should have got more than 10 caps but we all know why he never. Dorrans, Snodgrass and Steven Fletcher all done well in their careers, but the last 2 didn't even feature in the final squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 A lot of very good players in that '82 U18 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Footballfirst said: Scotland's youth teams near misses. 1989 FIFA U16 World Cup runner up to Saudi Arabia 1 James WILL(GK) 3 James BEATTIE 5 Kevin BAIN 6 Gary BOLLAN 8 John LINDSAY 10 Kevin McGOLDRICK 11 Paul DICKOV 13 Brian O NEILL 14 Tom MC MILLAN 15 Ian DOWNIE 18 Scott MARSHALL Substitutes 2 William DOLAN 4 Edward CONVILLE 7 Neil MURRAY 9 Craig FLANNINGAN 12 Martin DICKSON 16 Andrew McLAREN 17 David HAGEN 2006 UEFA U19 Championship runner up to Spain GK 1 Andrew McNeil RB 2 Andrew Cave-Brown CB 6 Scott Cuthbert (c) CB 19 Jamie Adams LB 3 Lee Wallace RM 7 Simon Ferry CM 16 Greg Cameron CM 4 Charles Grant CM 15 Ryan Conroy LM 10 Michael McGlinchey CF 8 Calum Elliot Substitutes: GK 12 Scott Fox DF 18 Mark Reynolds DF 5 Garry Kenneth MF 17 Brian Gilmour FW 14 Graham Dorrans I remember the Saudi game because it was played at Tynie. The Saudis looked 30 year old 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 30 minutes ago, ArcticJambo said: A lot of very good players in that '82 U18 team. 3 Jambos (including Westwater who was on the bench), no Robbo though as he didn't really break into Hearts first team until the following season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Marvin said: I remember the Saudi game because it was played at Tynie. The Saudis looked 30 year old 😂 Yeah I remember that, so many of their team were 'supposedly' born within a few weeks of the cut off date for eligibility. All these young teens running around with full moustaches, it was clearly a con job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 35 minutes ago, Marvin said: I remember the Saudi game because it was played at Tynie. The Saudis looked 30 year old 😂 The Saudi game was at Hampden. It was the semi final against Portugal that was at Tynie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Great watch. Thanks. Pat Nevin seems a really sound guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 I only just got into the 1989 semi v. Portugal at Tynecastle. Clicked through the McLeod St. turnstiles and there was no room on the school end terracing. Ended up almost pressed against the fence with a view of the game through the goalnets. It was weeks after Hillsborough, iirc, and was the most unpleasant, uncomfortable experience I've had at a game. I remember the goal and then exiting the ground with my feet mostly off the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, martoon said: I only just got into the 1989 semi v. Portugal at Tynecastle. Clicked through the McLeod St. turnstiles and there was no room on the school end terracing. Ended up almost pressed against the fence with a view of the game through the goalnets. It was weeks after Hillsborough, iirc, and was the most unpleasant, uncomfortable experience I've had at a game. I remember the goal and then exiting the ground with my feet mostly off the ground. I knew it would be busy so was in the ground more than half an hour before ko and managed to get a bench seat under the shed. The game kicked off about 40 minutes late. The crowd was unofficially estimated as 35,000 while the capacity at the time was 29,000. I thought there was even more in the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: I knew it would be busy so was in the ground more than half an hour before ko and managed to get a bench seat under the shed. The game kicked off about 40 minutes late. The crowd was unofficially estimated as 35,000 while the capacity at the time was 29,000. I thought there was even more in the ground. My dad took us as young teenagers and we were right behind the goal when Brian O'Neil scored. Have a memory of it being a really balmy night and like you we were there early as it was obvious there would be a big crowd. I seem to recollect stories of there being close to 40k inside the ground at kick off. In terms of the documentary, really enjoyed it. Did well capturing the feeling of memory and youthful camaraderie. Mackay's goal was a belter as well. Pat Nevin writes a fair bit about the tournament in his autobiography which I would highly recommend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo1975 Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 59 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: The Saudi game was at Hampden. It was the semi final against Portugal that was at Tynie. Sure the Saudi team played at Tynie in the group stages. Great times, think it was 50p to get in for 2 games! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted June 19, 2022 Share Posted June 19, 2022 Figo played for Portugal eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Footballfirst said: I knew it would be busy so was in the ground more than half an hour before ko and managed to get a bench seat under the shed. The game kicked off about 40 minutes late. The crowd was unofficially estimated as 35,000 while the capacity at the time was 29,000. I thought there was even more in the ground. I recall the police estimated that 3/4k were outside when the gates were closed. We'd had full houses of 29k vs. Hibs, Celtic and Rangers in the preceding few years but that night was the most packed I've known at Tynecastle. There had to be, at least, 2/3k over the capacity that evening, over and above those who were turned away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 8 hours ago, jambo1975 said: Sure the Saudi team played at Tynie in the group stages. Great times, think it was 50p to get in for 2 games! Yes. One of the group's was based at Tynie. It comprised Portugal, Saudi, Colombia and Guinea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted June 20, 2022 Author Share Posted June 20, 2022 6 hours ago, martoon said: I recall the police estimated that 3/4k were outside when the gates were closed. We'd had full houses of 29k vs. Hibs, Celtic and Rangers in the preceding few years but that night was the most packed I've known at Tynecastle. There had to be, at least, 2/3k over the capacity that evening, over and above those who were turned away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 12 hours ago, Marvin said: I remember the Saudi game because it was played at Tynie. The Saudis looked 30 year old 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the general Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Footballfirst said: The Saudi game was at Hampden. It was the semi final against Portugal that was at Tynie. Yip but sure the Saudis played a group match at Tynecastle Sorry see its already been covered Edited June 20, 2022 by the general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the general Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 11 hours ago, Footballfirst said: I knew it would be busy so was in the ground more than half an hour before ko and managed to get a bench seat under the shed. The game kicked off about 40 minutes late. The crowd was unofficially estimated as 35,000 while the capacity at the time was 29,000. I thought there was even more in the ground. As usual we left the Tynie Arms about 10 mins before ko and the queue was backed up to Gorgie Road . Luckily the season ticket gates at the back of the old nursery were open and no one seemed to know about them so got in ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, the general said: Yip but sure the Saudis played a group match at Tynecastle Me too…. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meister Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Portugal team that we beat that year was a pretty strong team as well, some mighty familiar names in the squad Paulo Santos Gil Gomes Peixe Luis Figo Costa Peres Sergio Lourenco Canana Geani Rui Capucho Bino Nuno Fonseca Miguel Simao Rui Ferreira Adalberto Tulipa Abel Xavier Alvaro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martoon Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Salad Fingers said: Cheers for posting, SF. It's clear that every part of the stadium was rammed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Australis Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Salad Fingers said: Tynecastle at its best. Seem to remember Wallace Mercer announcing on the tannoy that the game was a sell out and him getting quite a few boos from the non Jambos in the crowd. Edited June 20, 2022 by Australis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibbers Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 5 hours ago, Footballfirst said: Yes. One of the group's was based at Tynie. It comprised Portugal, Saudi, Colombia and Guinea. Think it was Ghana and not Guinea?Was at most of the group games and the semi final. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, Jibbers said: Think it was Ghana and not Guinea?Was at most of the group games and the semi final. Ghana was in Scotland's group along with Cuba and Bahrain, based at Hampden and Fir Park. Guinea was in the group that played at Tynecastle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_FIFA_U-16_World_Championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jibbers Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 Sorry, my mistake. Can’t put your trust in a memory anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Footballfirst said: Ghana was in Scotland's group along with Cuba and Bahrain, based at Hampden and Fir Park. Guinea was in the group that played at Tynecastle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_FIFA_U-16_World_Championship The semi final was a tremendous night at Tynie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 22 hours ago, RobNox said: Yeah I remember that, so many of their team were 'supposedly' born within a few weeks of the cut off date for eligibility. All these young teens running around with full moustaches, it was clearly a con job. There were only 2 or 3 with 'taches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 1 hour ago, been here before said: There were only 2 or 3 with 'taches Fair enough, I might have exaggerated, but how many of the players in that photo would you believe were qualified to play in a U16 tournament? 3rd left back row? The guy next to him? The guy next to the guy next to him? Maybe they just have very hard paper rounds in Saudi Arabia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi5kaceldream1ng Posted June 20, 2022 Share Posted June 20, 2022 2 hours ago, been here before said: There were only 2 or 3 with 'taches You okay pal? There's clearly 5 players in that picture with taches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the general Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Rudi5kaceldream1ng said: You okay pal? There's clearly 5 players in that picture with taches. Sure it was good weather when they played at Tynecastle We were behind the goals and you could see at bye kicks and corners how hairy they were Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Rudi5kaceldream1ng said: You okay pal? There's clearly 5 players in that picture with taches. I count 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Surprised nobody has mentioned this before but Roxburgh played with two wide men (Nevin and Dick) and Gary Mackay as a false 9 (to quote Nevin) This was years before Levein tried this with the senior team. Must be okay to play this formation when you are winning ... or did nobody notice, like they didn't when Levein did; until he pointed it out! Hypocrites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 19/06/2022 at 20:26, Salad Fingers said: Just finished on BBC Scotland. The story of Scotland's 1982 European Under-18 Championship win and Pat Nevin's search for footage of our goals in that final, which the BBC didn't cover or even mention in their review of the year that December. I didn't know Gary Mackay had scored in the final and what a goal it was. A fairly typical Gary MacKay goal, seen a few like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i wish jj was my dad Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 11 hours ago, moonraker said: A fairly typical Gary MacKay goal, seen a few like that. Yep. Gary had them in his locker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannymack Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Ian Westwater, Davie Bowman and Gary Mackay showing off their commemorative salver tray they were presented with by the club at the Hearts Open Day July 1982. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 1 hour ago, dannymack said: Ian Westwater, Davie Bowman and Gary Mackay showing off their commemorative salver tray they were presented with by the club at the Hearts Open Day July 1982. Always thought that Bowman left us too soon as I liked him as a player. Financial necessity though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy2 Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 On 20/06/2022 at 08:54, Salad Fingers said: Great to see that again. What a fantastic night it was. I was in the Gorgie Road end that night and if we’re honest, as much as we slag the dodgy Saudis, we rode our luck with the stonewaller and the very harshly disallowed goal. Not saying we didn’t deserve to win, but they were a couple of home team decisions! The opening day was at Tynecastle a couple of Saturdays before and I was there, too, along with about 1,000 others at most. It was a double header and me and my mate were laughing about how old the Saudi lads looked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briever Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 20 hours ago, Perth to Paisley said: Surprised nobody has mentioned this before but Roxburgh played with two wide men (Nevin and Dick) and Gary Mackay as a false 9 (to quote Nevin) This was years before Levein tried this with the senior team. Must be okay to play this formation when you are winning ... or did nobody notice, like they didn't when Levein did; until he pointed it out! Hypocrites. Levein's false 9 was literally that, didn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Different Class Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 On 20/06/2022 at 08:54, Salad Fingers said: Great stuff. But "a real British goal" from Tyldesley ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth to Paisley Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 4 hours ago, briever said: Levein's false 9 was literally that, didn't exist. Missing the point Roxburgh played a system 'without a fixed big man up top' years before without any negative reaction. Suggests that outcome outweigh agenda driven analysis or comment Levein made many mistakes as a national team boss but this tactic being his 'legacy' is nonsensical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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