JimmyCant Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Just now, JAYEL said: Would it be wrong to cheer them on. 🤪 Hoping for any favourable draw. 🤞 I’m actually very optimistic we’ll get a winnable draw. Most of the really big clubs in that list will actually progress in the CL qualifying.. We’re going to get someone that one of those bigger clubs has knocked out of the CL Q3. Always the chance of one or two of them Hibsing of course but for the most part, the real big boys in that list won’t be in the EL play off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 50 minutes ago, jonesy said: It's still an absolute nonsense that those clubs are playing European football. Since when were Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan European countries? Might as well just combine the UEFA stuff with Asia and make a Eurasian club competition with the top Japanese, Korean and Middle Eastern clubs. I assume they inherited Uefa membership from the Soviet Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYEL Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: I’m actually very optimistic we’ll get a winnable draw. Most of the really big clubs in that list will actually progress in the CL qualifying.. We’re going to get someone that one of those bigger clubs has knocked out of the CL Q3. Always the chance of one or two of them Hibsing of course but for the most part, the real big boys in that list won’t be in the EL play off So we are probably looking at teams between Tobal Kustanai and Shamrock Rovers on that list as our opponents unless as you say someone makes a mess of it Edited June 29, 2022 by JAYEL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 52 minutes ago, davemclaren said: I assume they inherited Uefa membership from the Soviet Union. They actually didn't, Azerbaijan joined UEFA in 1994, and Kazakhstan in 2002. The latter used to play in the Asian tournaments, but as they are partially on the European continent, they were eligible to apply. Israel is really the only real outlier, who are part of UEFA for political reasons (i.e. shit loads of countries boycotted playing against them and they were voted out. They even had a stint in the Oceania set up for a while, which is even further away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 "Some UEFA members are transcontinental states (Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Russia and Turkey) and others are considered part of Europe both culturally and politically (Cyprus). Countries which had been members of the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) were also admitted to the European football association, such as Israel (because it had been banned from the AFC group in 1974) and Kazakhstan." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, JAYEL said: So we are probably looking at teams between Tobal Kustanai and Shamrock Rovers on that list as our opponents unless as you say someone makes a mess of it I think a good guide would be to divide the list into 3 parts. Exclude the top section because they are progressing in the CL. Exclude the bottom part because they aren’t progressing to the EL play off. The middle part IN GENERAL is where our play off opponent will come from. This assumes that the list is in some kind of ability/co-efficient order. Plus, of course it’s football and there will be surprise results Edited June 30, 2022 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number-16 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 For what it's worth, in 2006 Luch-Energiya Vladivostok finished only 8 points off European qualification. That could have been some away trip for someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That thing you do Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 13 hours ago, Swelljambo said: As it stands I make it: Partizan Slovacko Dynamo Fenerbahce Midtjylland AEK Larnaca Viktoria Dinamo Zagreb FC Zurich Olympiacos Maccabi Haifa Bodo Malmo Ludogorets CFR Cluj Qarabag Tobol Kustanai Ferencvaros Shaktior Saligorsk Lech Poznan Maribor Slovan Bratislava Zalgiris Vlinius F91 Dudelange Zrinjski Mostar Shamrock Rovers Shkupi Pyunik RFS Riga KF Tirana Linfield Dinamo Batumi HJK Helsinki Sheriff Hibernians KI Klasvik Balkani Lincoln Red Imps Sutjeska The New Saints Vikingur Reykjavik The next round of matches that matter take place on the 5th/6th of July and will eliminate 15 teams below Viktoria into the conference league qualifiers Out of that, Lincoln Red Imps isnt a bad draw. Gibraltar is a pretty good trip Id imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo dans les Pyrenees Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Are we seeded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobNox Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Queensland Jambo said: Are we seeded? There's no seeding as such, but having entered at the final qualifying round, we'll get a team that qualifies from the 3rd qualifying round. So we'll avoid other teams who enter in the final qualifying round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Am I right in thinking we will be at home for second leg of play off on 25th August? Just trying to sort out holidays etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We_are_the_Hearts Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, TexasAndy said: Am I right in thinking we will be at home for second leg of play off on 25th August? Just trying to sort out holidays etc. I asked this and apparently won’t know until the draw on 1st August Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmfc_liam06 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, jonesy said: It's still an absolute nonsense that those clubs are playing European football. Since when were Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan European countries? Might as well just combine the UEFA stuff with Asia and make a Eurasian club competition with the top Japanese, Korean and Middle Eastern clubs. Since 1992 & 1991 respectively. I mean Azerbijan share a border with Armenia and Georgia, so it's hardly like they're at the other end of Asia. Edited June 30, 2022 by hmfc_liam06 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 8 hours ago, tian447 said: They actually didn't, Azerbaijan joined UEFA in 1994, and Kazakhstan in 2002. The latter used to play in the Asian tournaments, but as they are partially on the European continent, they were eligible to apply. Israel is really the only real outlier, who are part of UEFA for political reasons (i.e. shit loads of countries boycotted playing against them and they were voted out. They even had a stint in the Oceania set up for a while, which is even further away! Cheers. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 9 hours ago, JimmyCant said: Plenty of places to potentially get your head kicked in unfortunately so hoping to avoid those hot spots Belfast probably the most dangerous city in that list tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 35 minutes ago, We_are_the_Hearts said: I asked this and apparently won’t know until the draw on 1st August Not sure about that. Don't know if we'll have to wait until Friday 12th (Day after 3rd round is finished) or if UEFA will plan for both eventualities when the draws made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 On 27/06/2022 at 16:43, Leisham38 said: Bucket Hats galore for Sociedad away 🥳 Did someone mention bucket hats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasAndy Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 40 minutes ago, We_are_the_Hearts said: I asked this and apparently won’t know until the draw on 1st August Ok thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Heartsmad1874 said: Not sure about that. Don't know if we'll have to wait until Friday 12th (Day after 3rd round is finished) or if UEFA will plan for both eventualities when the draws made. Also worth reminding people to be aware that we could get switched around. UEFA don’t like 2 European ties in the same city on the same night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Jambo Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Some great looking trips there for the Europa League Playoff. As mentioned above, that list of potential opponents will start to whittle down over coming weeks as the Champions League Qualifiers start next Tuesday. IF(!) we were not to progress to Europa League group stages and drop directly into the Conference League group stage there is an outside chance of us being in Pot 3 rather than Pot 4 - which would make a big difference to the difficulty of the group and prospects for picking up wins/prize money/coefficient points for future European campaigns. Based on last year's groups and our current coefficient we would be in Pot 3 but teams have picked up and so it's probably now slightly more likely we would end up in Pot 4 unless results go our way. The Conference League qualifiers start a week today and already there are a few teams involved with higher coefficients than ours (7.380) and so who we want to LOSE in the scenario that we do drop down. Those we want to LOSE are in bold below: Alashkert (ARM) (8.000) vs Hamrun Spartans (MAL) KuPS (FIN) (7.500) vs Dila Gori (GEO) Olimpija Lubljana (SVK) (7.750) vs Differdange 03 (LUX) Fola Esch (LUX) (7.500) vs Tre Fiori (SAN) Shkendija (MAC) (9.000) vs Ararat Yerevan (ARM) Flora Tallinn (EST) (9.750) vs SJK (FIN) Derry City (IRE) vs Riga FC (LAT) (8.000) From that list above there are only a couple of realistic upsets. It's much harder to work out just now who we would want to win/lose from Champions League Qualifiers. Do we want those with higher coefficents to win so that they stay in Champions League or Europa League or lose and end up dropping out of Europe altogether... hard to say. That will be clearer as that qualifying process goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Dastardly Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, jonesy said: The first time in JKB history I’ve been ITK on a story and it’s about the fecking hat on a left back’s napped. 😂😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 6 hours ago, JimmyCant said: Also worth reminding people to be aware that we could get switched around. UEFA don’t like 2 European ties in the same city on the same night I do hope we are away in the second leg. Purely for a longer gap to book flights etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allowayjambo1874 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Unfortunately whilst our draw is on the 1st August our opponents won’t play their second leg until the 11th and then we play the winners on the 18th. So worst case we won’t know our opponents until late on the 11th then be away 7 days later. Could be an expensive old trip booking flights for one week away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, Allowayjambo1874 said: Unfortunately whilst our draw is on the 1st August our opponents won’t play their second leg until the 11th and then we play the winners on the 18th. So worst case we won’t know our opponents until late on the 11th then be away 7 days later. Could be an expensive old trip booking flights for one week away. Hopefully UEFA release contingencies for both eventualities when the draws made. Unfair for anyone to only have 6 days notice to book a trip abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModJambo Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 19 hours ago, tian447 said: They actually didn't, Azerbaijan joined UEFA in 1994, and Kazakhstan in 2002. The latter used to play in the Asian tournaments, but as they are partially on the European continent, they were eligible to apply. Israel is really the only real outlier, who are part of UEFA for political reasons (i.e. shit loads of countries boycotted playing against them and they were voted out. They even had a stint in the Oceania set up for a while, which is even further away! Off topic but I think Kazakhstan initially changed membership because they wanted more tastier international ties or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midloth_Iain Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) Yes please ...... Midtjylland AEK Larnaca Viktoria FC Zurich Slovan Bratislava F91 Dudelange RFS Riga HJK Helsinki Lincoln Red Imps Edited June 30, 2022 by Midloth_Iain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ModJambo said: Off topic but I think Kazakhstan initially changed membership because they wanted more tastier international ties or something. There is probably more of a financial gain by playing in UEFA competitions instead of AFC ones. I wonder why they thought about switching in the first place though, they are not a terrible team (although not very good), but they must have stood a better chance of qualifying for World Cups if they had stayed in qualifying groups containing the likes of Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Nepal, and Sri Lanka, than they do currently, which is ****ing no chance Edited June 30, 2022 by tian447 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) Trying to understand the uefa site, but if we qualify for the euopa leage, we might have a trip to arsenal or man u. Is that correct? Possibly also west ham? Edited June 30, 2022 by Jonkel Hoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ModJambo Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, tian447 said: There is probably more of a financial gain by playing in UEFA competitions instead of AFC ones. I wonder why they thought about switching in the first place though, they are not a terrible team (although not very good), but they must have stood a better chance of qualifying for World Cups if they had stayed in qualifying groups containing the likes of Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Nepal, and Sri Lanka, than they do currently, which is ****ing no chance I think when they initially joined they were absolute mince. I think over the past decade more of their clubs have done well in Europe and their international team is somewhat a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveandal Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Given the draw in the UCL. I think there will be at least one of not two very winnable potential ties. But as the list above shows there are also some tricky possibilities. It will become clearer in the next few weeks. If we did get Europa we'd be very unlucky not to get one "big team" in our group. By that I mean we might get a Braga as Top Seed or D Kyvi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Be great if we get Hibernians We can sing all the derby songs to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo in Yorkshire Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Jonkel Hoon said: Trying to understand the uefa site, but if we qualify for the euopa leage, we might have a trip to arsenal or man u. Is that correct? Possibly also west ham? Roma, Lazio, Man U and Arsenal are guaranteed to be in pot 1 of the EL group stage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 38 minutes ago, Jambo in Yorkshire said: Roma, Lazio, Man U and Arsenal are guaranteed to be in pot 1 of the EL group stage Last I heard Man U are in conference, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo in Yorkshire Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Last I heard Man U are in conference, no? No, West Ham are in the ECL group stage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Quaresma Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Jambo in Yorkshire said: No, West Ham are in the ECL group stage Ok; someone on here told us all Man U couldn’t make even Europa, so much for that 🧐 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 17 hours ago, Jambo in Yorkshire said: No, West Ham are in the ECL group stage West Ham are in play offs actually. No team gets direct access to ECL groups without playing a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naisys Tackle Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 17 hours ago, Ricardo Quaresma said: Ok; someone on here told us all Man U couldn’t make even Europa, so much for that 🧐 They made it last day of the season even though pumped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augusthearts Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 On 29/06/2022 at 12:10, Dayman said: You legend. Lots of teams we should beat fairly easily. Let’s hope more than a few of them stay in it… Everyone from Slovan downwards would leave us as big favourites I’d say. I was at the Slovan stadium an hour or so ago, I’d not mind an away day here! Yeah it's a nice stadium if it's the same place as back in the 90s. Seen a few matches there. Of the lower down teams Sheriff might be tricky. Had some decent results in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dayman Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, augusthearts said: Yeah it's a nice stadium if it's the same place as back in the 90s. Seen a few matches there. Of the lower down teams Sheriff might be tricky. Had some decent results in Europe. It's actually a brand new stadium about 500m from the old one. It's not an old school one anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo in Yorkshire Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Heartsmad1874 said: West Ham are in play offs actually. No team gets direct access to ECL groups without playing a game. Yes, seeded in play offs. I missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augusthearts Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 On 01/07/2022 at 20:50, Dayman said: It's actually a brand new stadium about 500m from the old one. It's not an old school one anymore. Pretty different then. Looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hogfather Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Stolen this from Twitter, someone's put together a list of possible routes based on possible opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartsmad1874 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) Few UCL Qualifiers on tonight, Pyunik 0-0 CFR Cluj Malmo 3-2 Vikingur Ludogorets 2-0 Sutjeska Niksic Ballkani 1-1 Zalgiris Lech Poznan 1-0 Qarabag TNS 1-0 Linfield L Shamrock R 3-0 Hibernians L Shkupi 3-0 Lincoln Red Imps Bottom two are latest scores. Edited July 5, 2022 by Heartsmad1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 56 minutes ago, Heartsmad1874 said: Few UCL Qualifiers on tonight, Pyunik 0-0 CFR Cluj Malmo 3-2 Vikingur Ludogorets 2-0 Sutjeska Niksic Ballkani 1-1 Zalgiris Lech Poznan 1-0 Qarabag TNS 1-0 Linfield L Shamrock R 3-0 Hibernians L Shkupi 3-0 Lincoln Red Imps Bottom two are latest scores. Hibernians Hibsed it. Red Imps got a red puss and Niksic as a parrot. Seems we can rule out any of those 3 being our play off opponent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Hibernians Hibsed it. Red Imps got a red puss and Niksic as a parrot. Seems we can rule out any of those 3 being our play off opponent Are we not more likely to meet them now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: Are we not more likely to meet them now? No, we meet one of the losers of the qualifying round of the CL. If they lose in this round we can’t get them Edited July 5, 2022 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: No, we meet one of the losers of the qualifying round of the CL. If they lose in this round we can’t get them Is this not a qualifying round? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: Is this not a qualifying round? Sorry I meant the next qualifying round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 29 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Sorry I meant the next qualifying round I see, I see. Could have Googled it but I couldn’t be bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: I see, I see. Could have Googled it but I couldn’t be bothered. Cool. So briefly they are playing QR2 this week and next. The winners go to QR3. Some bigger clubs are automatically in QR3. The 10 winners in QR3 go to the next stage of the CL. The 10 losers go to the EL play off. it is highly likely that we’ll draw one if those QR3 losers in our play off, although there another 2 clubs who qualify for that play off, into the same list we’ll get drawn against through a slightly different route. So the bottom line is there will be 12 possible clubs we could get drawn against by the time these qualifiers are sorted out in the next few weeks Edited July 5, 2022 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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