Section Q Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 In jail for 6 years for nothing. All we had to do was give them there money back...! https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-16/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-released-from-detention-in-iran/100916134 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 She's been out of prison for a year at her mother's so that is some preparation. But it's still going to be hard for her to readjust. Terrible experience to go through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 I wonder why the focus is always on her and very little on Anousheh Ashouri. Is it a better story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Lovely to have some positive news yesterday but let's not forget that her lengthy imprisonment could have been avoided (a) if Boris Johnson had taken the slightest bit of care when speaking and (b) if the Foreign Office had pulled the stops out much sooner. There are many unpleasant aspects to the story but none more so than the Tories trying to steal credit for this. Truss's tweet announcing Nazanin's release was accompanied by a professionally taken portrait of... Liz Feckin' Truss. Her shame knows no bounds. Let's hope the press and politicians now leave the family alone. Give or take, they've mainly avoided the family over the last six years so it would only be right that they do so from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWL Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 1 minute ago, I P Knightley said: Lovely to have some positive news yesterday but let's not forget that her lengthy imprisonment could have been avoided (a) if Boris Johnson had taken the slightest bit of care when speaking and (b) if the Foreign Office had pulled the stops out much sooner. There are many unpleasant aspects to the story but none more so than the Tories trying to steal credit for this. Truss's tweet announcing Nazanin's release was accompanied by a professionally taken portrait of... Liz Feckin' Truss. Her shame knows no bounds. Let's hope the press and politicians now leave the family alone. Give or take, they've mainly avoided the family over the last six years so it would only be right that they do so from now. I'm aware that BJ made a colossal blunder not long after she was imprisoned but I'm not aware of what he actually said or did. To see him and Truss smiling and tweeting about this as some sort of victory or achievement for the government is akin to watching those clueless detectives celebrating the capture of the Yorkshire Ripper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, JWL said: I'm aware that BJ made a colossal blunder not long after she was imprisoned but I'm not aware of what he actually said or did. To see him and Truss smiling and tweeting about this as some sort of victory or achievement for the government is akin to watching those clueless detectives celebrating the capture of the Yorkshire Ripper. I really don't think what Boris Johnson said - incorrectly that she was training journalists - made any difference. Iran used it for PR but she was already in prison and facing new charges. The actual reasons for it taking so long are opaque. Payment of the debt is the obvious issue. But the reasons for not paying it earlier are possibly more complicated. Trump becoming President and changing the approach to Iran with the nuclear deal and sanctions might have been the main obstacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 29 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: I really don't think what Boris Johnson said - incorrectly that she was training journalists - made any difference. Iran used it for PR but she was already in prison and facing new charges. Saying it (as Foreign Secretary) certainly didn't help as training journalists could easily be interpreted as helping spread anti-regime propaganda (aka 'spying'). He never corrected that statement; doing so may not have led to an immediate release but it certainly couldn't have done her case any harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: I really don't think what Boris Johnson said - incorrectly that she was training journalists - made any difference. Iran used it for PR but she was already in prison and facing new charges. The actual reasons for it taking so long are opaque. Payment of the debt is the obvious issue. But the reasons for not paying it earlier are possibly more complicated. Trump becoming President and changing the approach to Iran with the nuclear deal and sanctions might have been the main obstacle. Yip much more complicated than most people think, sure it's all too easy to say that we should have just paid the money sooner, if only it had been that simple. The UK wanted to pay the money, in fact it's been sitting in a bank account for many years, but one of the things the previous Iranian government kept insisting on was that the money be paid in cash/bank transfer which was impossible because of sanctions, then Trump fecked everything up when he withdrew from the nuclear deal, and all negotiations ceased right there and then between Britain & Iran. It was only when the new Iranian president took over in August 2021 that things started to move again, with face to face meetings between British & Iranian diplomats taking place for the first time in 3 or 4 years, then the Americans wanted to add 2 of their detainees into the deal, so Britain has not only been negotiating with the Iranians but also with the Americans. Then there had to be a way found around the sanctions so that the money could be paid, which was acceptable to the International community, the Americans and of course the banks. Wanting to pay the money was the easy part, actually doing so was somewhat harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section Q Posted March 17, 2022 Author Share Posted March 17, 2022 Basically the world needs Iranian oil because of the global shortage . That's also also the reason the US is now talking to Venezuela. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, Section Q said: Basically the world needs Iranian oil because of the global shortage . That's also also the reason the US is now talking to Venezuela. Following the experience of destroying Iraq with sanctions it's good news for the people that Iran is getting some respite. Moving onto destroying Russia with sanctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Following the experience of destroying Iraq with sanctions it's good news for the people that Iran is getting some respite. Moving onto destroying Russia with sanctions. Surely you don't really think the Iranian public will see a penny of that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor jambo Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 We should of course be paying up, we need our spies back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 The Fat Lying Eton Mess opened is stuttering gob and added years onto her sentence. But still these clowns voted for him. He could be a serial killer never mind serial and the gullible clowns would vote for him. He got Brexit done though well not really as it’s still not sorted yet 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Didn't mess about in first public statement. Told off her husband for thanking the Home Secretary and said it was quite simple. They should have got her free 6 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Didn't mess about in first public statement. Told off her husband for thanking the Home Secretary and said it was quite simple. They should have got her free 6 years ago. She must have been furious with him to let him know in that way that she didn't agree with his statement yesterday. She looked raging. 😁 The sigh and look on her face when she's saying the words Foreign Secretary is golden too. 😀 Edited March 21, 2022 by Weakened Offender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Any condemnation or harsh words for the actual perpetrators of her jailing/abduction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Any condemnation or harsh words for the actual perpetrators of her jailing/abduction? Probably but it's irrelevant whataboutery. We in civilised society have to hold ourselves and our elected representatives to a much higher standard of morals and conduct than those we separately know to be lacking in morals and of bad conduct. At all times. No amount of condemnation of the Iranians has any relevance to the absolute necessity to hold our own to account. They are entirely separate matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Any condemnation or harsh words for the actual perpetrators of her jailing/abduction? Her family still live there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Weakened Offender said: Her family still live there. Didn't stop her being very vocal in her criticism of the Revolutionary Guard and the Ayatollah's prior to her arrest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Didn't stop her being very vocal in her criticism of the Revolutionary Guard and the Ayatollah's prior to her arrest. She's maybe learned a harsh lesson. Anyway, it's funny watching her bash the Tories. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victorian Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, jonesy said: Wow. Yes, the current cabinet are a moral void, but criticising the Iranian government for locking her up to get Britain to pay its debts is not whataboutery. Both sides have handled this badly, but only one side locked her up. Two separate things. I see no people attempting to excuse or legitimise the Iranians. What they did is typical of a regime of that kind. Separately, our government was lacking in the attempts to have her returned. Our country has to be held to a better standard than a regime we know to be oppresive and cruel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) Maybe we'll find out the full story in the movie and/or book Edited March 21, 2022 by Jonkel Hoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy Jambo Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Was she a spy then? What was she doing over there, if not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said: Was she a spy then? What was she doing over there, if not? You’ve really not read about this have you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Holding people to ransom is abhorrent. Not paying your debts is abhorrent. Both regimes using this woman as a political football is abhorrent. The only people coming out of this with any kind of dignity appear to be Nazanin Zaghai-Ratcliffe and her family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said: Was she a spy then? What was she doing over there, if not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 What's the story here? "And why had we detained three Iranians who had come to London in 2013 to negotiate the terms of the repayment? Surely that had only encouraged Iran to think taking hostages was the only way to get its money back." https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/mar/21/nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-press-conference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greedy Jambo Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Tazio said: You’ve really not read about this have you? Depends what version you mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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