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Mr Elwood P
2 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

 

You think the team that started yesterday are better than the team that beat the vermin 3-1 at home?

Not sure I'd agree. 

We're not really poorer but we're certainly not better.


Grant > Halliday?

Rowles > Sibbick 

 

Shankland is an interesting one. If we go on goals per game I think he will outsource big Ellis. Simms brought us a very dimension up front ... 

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3 minutes ago, Mr Elwood P said:


Grant > Halliday?

Rowles > Sibbick 

 

Shankland is an interesting one. If we go on goals per game I think he will outsource big Ellis. Simms brought us a very dimension up front ... 

 

We definitely have better players in some positions but we lost two of our very best players who were guaranteed starters.

Are Rowles and Shankland better than Souttar and Simms? Not yet.

It's still very early in the season and there's still time to get people in but our team doesn't feel better than last year to me. It feels about the same which was my point.

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19 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

Levitt and Boyle are two.  Realistically could have got Levitt.   Would have taken Regan Cooke down the flanks too. 

 

Martin Boyle? That can't be a serious shout.

Why on earth would he go to us after agreeing that he'd go back to the vermin at the first chance. Hibs had first refusal and were owed millions by the Saudi team. You think we should have stumped up £2m to buy a 30yr old cheat with more dives than goals? That just seems kind of unlikely.

Levitt is the one we should have been going hard to try and sign. RCC would probably have given more over a season than Gino and GMS so wouldn't have minded that one. 

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Naisys Tackle
5 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

 

Martin Boyle? That can't be a serious shout.

Why on earth would he go to us after agreeing that he'd go back to the vermin at the first chance. Hibs had first refusal and were owed millions by the Saudi team. You think we should have stumped up £2m to buy a 30yr old cheat with more dives than goals? That just seems kind of unlikely.

Levitt is the one we should have been going hard to try and sign. RCC would probably have given more over a season than Gino and GMS so wouldn't have minded that one. 

Yeah mate its why I said realistically after DL.  Boyle would have been a great signing for us though and wasted at the shite.   Gino and GMS have been told they can go and not part of plans.  Cook would have gave us plenty options.  Was just giving a few examples as made out there was no player out there.  Dury is out there on Grant and Forrest will be good in lesser games to begin with imo. 

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2 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

Yeah mate its why I said realistically after DL.  Boyle would have been a great signing for us though and wasted at the shite.   Gino and GMS have been told they can go and not part of plans.  Cook would have gave us plenty options.  Was just giving a few examples as made out there was no player out there.  Dury is out there on Grant and Forrest will be good in lesser games to begin with imo. 

 

Grant was straight up poor yesterday and for a dead ball specialist his delivery was trash. He just looks like a squad player to me. Hoping for Connor Ronan but who knows what's going on there.

Martin Boyle is decent but there's as much chance of us signing him as of Rudi going to the vermin when he was available. Never happening.

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Naisys Tackle
1 minute ago, cosanostra said:

 

Grant was straight up poor yesterday and for a dead ball specialist his delivery was trash. He just looks like a squad player to me. Hoping for Connor Ronan but who knows what's going on there.

Martin Boyle is decent but there's as much chance of us signing him as of Rudi going to the vermin when he was available. Never happening.

Spot on all of that mate.  Night.

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Arthur Morgan
12 minutes ago, Robbies Tackle said:

Cook would have gave us plenty options.

 

I really wanted us to go for him, thought he looked excellent last season in a much weaker squad than ours. Really can't work out why we didn't go for Levitt too like you said. 

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Arthur Morgan
2 hours ago, Uncle Buck said:

The squad is no bigger than last season and, as of now, I’m not sure it’s ready for a European group stage yet. Rowles has come in for Souttar, Neilson has come in for Moore, Grant has come in for McEneff, Forrest has come in for Woodburn, Shankland has come in for Simms and Cochrane doesn’t change anything. I would probably say overall the quality is better but the size of the squad is no different.

 

Lets hope for another few signings in the next couple of weeks.

 

Absolutely spot on. Surely another 3 or 4 to come? We will be shattered this season if we continue with this size of squad. I worry it will affect our league position tbh. 

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1 minute ago, Arthur Morgan said:

 

I really wanted us to go for him, thought he looked excellent last season in a much weaker squad than ours. Really can't work out why we didn't go for Levitt too like you said. 

 

RCC would have been decent coming on for the last 30 mins yesterday. We seem to be aiming higher though.

Still, no point in aiming higher if we can't get the signing over the line.

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Arthur Morgan
2 hours ago, colinmorewasgash said:

We need more pace another striker but with more physicality, a right centre back we also have needed an attacking midfielder that can finish for so long its a standing joke but that isnt the managers plan its the 2 holders the 3 at back the 2 full backs normally which he ll go back too next week the one striker. He tried something positive at start today it was working looked good then as he often does he panics and goes back to what he thinks will get result, tinkers changes it goes to extra defender for safety but it seems to go other way and we lose momentum initiative and it keeps happening. The signings are decent but disappointing to the rhetoric quoted in May squad isnt better in quality promised (other teams have spent fortunes utd sheep even hubz) we got told we had loads to invest in team have we really used it now without simms souttar woodburn (who wasn't great but had pedigree) wright was on trial davenport on trial when wright left we were looking at somebody better where is this guy then, our squad is still light you need bigger squad for europe or your domestic form will suffer we have players, as good as they are, who tend to pick up injuries most seasons boyce smith kingsley halkett plus beni has had 2 in a season will he be as good, devlin now seems to have problems with hamstrings, why keep henderson or ginnelly if he won't play them when strikers are knackered like today. The youngsters never get a chance Cammy Logan is away again I see while we have Smith whose getting worse or Atkinson who cant defend he  loans them for whole season with no call back. Can't see many from B squad getting chance either he wd rather name less subs.  I saw a few Queens park games last season Cammy Smith was outstanding against cloggers in that league energy direct quick can score goals from midfield or wide better than GMS or some unnattached players with injury record. Yes we got 3rd and cup final but sheep and hibs were awful utd were good to watch but not as consistent all have strengthened big time Hibs now have diving chipmunk back to con ref for pens and score goals 3rd wont be easy.

 

Another really good post. 

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Watt-Zeefuik

So from evidence today, it sounds like we need a striker, a central mid, and a right sided CH. Someone should tell Joe and Robbie.

 

Seriously, taking a look at last year's signings, early in the window we got Ginnelly and Stewart on to permanent deals and got Cochrane and Woodburn on loans. Right before the season started we got Beni, and added Devlin and McKay after the season was underway.

 

I think when we look back on this window, the real top quality signings will be the ones yet to come, with the possible exception of Shankland who impresses me more every week.

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4 hours ago, colinmorewasgash said:

Why do we always get this on here every season we can't buy anymore players or strikers we have no more money (where is it heading funds for training centre?). Well it hasn't stopped teams like Ross county and Livvy getting some decent new attack minded players with pace or strikers on cheap or on loan who give teams problems recruited from lower english league clubs or on frees. Ross county new players v us gave us tough game and at times v Celtic and Livvy new players looked a handful versus Sevco and beat Utd at Tannadice. Joe Savage said with Simms wages we knew he was out our price range he was never coming back so why did we wait months not looking to replace him if we knew this. Games like today is when you need another option up front plus someone who can score goals from midfield not more and more holding players or defenders.

3 strikers we got told in May was what we were looking for different types also. We have brought in 1 Robbies mate.

We can buy, but we can't buy the players Rangers and Celtic buy. What's our transfer record and do you think we could spend that on a player, today? We need do buy what we can afford, and that's what we have done and for me, we are doing quite well. I hope Robbie has some more mates like Shankland, cause the lad is pretty good.

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Aussie Jambo

So do we need to sign more players by close of window.?

after yesterday’s game. 🤔

I’m thinking players up front and someone who can take a corner. 

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fabienleclerq
6 hours ago, Jamhammer said:

Henderson on the bench. Not used?

Other attacking options also not used 

 

Henderson has yet to impress for Hearts ever,he's Clearly not good enough and the manager doesn't rate him.

7 hours ago, Lone Striker said:

We took off 2 strikers - for whatever reason.    It just seems to me that despite us having 3 goalscorers at the club for the  first time in many years, it doesn't seem to be enough.   What would be enough ?     4 ?   5  ?

 

3 goalscorers? The two strikers were knackered. 

 

We need another striker or number 10.

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fabienleclerq
2 minutes ago, Aussie Jambo said:

So do we need to sign more players by close of window.?

after yesterday’s game. 🤔

I’m thinking players up front and someone who can take a corner. 

I'd imagine a CH and a forward are the priorities, I wouldn't be surprised to see us look at a right back either.

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I think GMS and Ginelly not getting off the bench yesterday is confirmation that we will be look at 2 attacking players at least before the window shuts. And I can see both leaving, will probably go right to the end of the window.

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25 minutes ago, bistokid said:

I think GMS and Ginelly not getting off the bench yesterday is confirmation that we will be look at 2 attacking players at least before the window shuts. And I can see both leaving, will probably go right to the end of the window.

Gino went down injured in the warm up, don't know if this affected him getting on.

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38 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said:

I'd imagine a CH and a forward are the priorities, I wouldn't be surprised to see us look at a right back either.

Said that after coming away yesterday. We need a right sided version of Alex Cochrane. The guy was immense. Atkinson is a weak defender and Smith isn’t a player for every week and certainly not for 90 mins. He have his all whilst on the park though.  I’d like the Smith that we first signed from Peterborough. I’d be blooding Lewis Neilson every week and keeping Sibbick for a DM. Thought big Pete was good for us yesterday 

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I think we just have to have patience, we will sign what is required imo, last season we brought in Barrie McKay late in the window, I expect another top signing or two to come, although when do we need to sign players to register them for europe? Isn't there a specific date?

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Nice to see Jorge Grant being written off by the support already. Give the guy time; football supporters have no patience whatsoever. 

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Aussie Jambo
41 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said:

I'd imagine a CH and a forward are the priorities, I wouldn't be surprised to see us look at a right back either.

Yep CH, right winger/striker & defo a right back. Sibbick can’t ever play that position ever again. He’d be fine in midfield though. Same as Stendal played him. 

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Aussie Jambo
2 minutes ago, daveyhmfc said:

Nice to see Jorge Grant being written off by the support already. Give the guy time; football supporters have no patience whatsoever. 

He was pish at corners and looked a bit nerves tbh. First derby game will do that to some players. I’ve seen streaks of what he can be prior. So I agree, just needs to practice corners or someone else take them like McKay. 

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33 minutes ago, fabienleclerq said:

Gino went down injured in the warm up, don't know if this affected him getting on.

Wasn't aware of that. I do think that his time is numbered regardless, I'd be very surprised if Neilson and Savage aren't looking to improve attacking options given these 2 didn't have his trust in most games last season either. Obviously they can't alienate them and they'd be valuable to other teams but it does feel like the writing is on the wall. Which is a good thing if it means we bring in replacements that can truly challenge the first 11.

 

*I know they've said explicitly they are looking to improve attacking options but for clarification I mean over and above what's been made public (1 attacker, 1 mid etc.).

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3 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said:

It was weird with Grant cause all the friendlies and against County his corners were excellent. 

 

I think a few players would have found yesterday tough.

 

It's a bigger game with more pressure and intensity than anything our new signings have experienced in the past. 

 

Coming this early in the season as well before everyone is fully match sharp would definitely have added to that.

 

As I said before the game. This was probably hibs best chance to beat us this season. From here we will only get stronger.

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1 minute ago, Bauld said:

 

I think a few players would have found yesterday tough.

 

It's a bigger game with more pressure and intensity than anything our new signings have experienced in the past. 

 

Coming this early in the season as well before everyone is fully match sharp would definitely have added to that.

 

As I said before the game. This was probably hibs best chance to beat us this season. From here we will only get stronger.

Grants a conundrum as I don't think he suits being in a 2 man midfield. I think he's a 10 or part of a 3 in the middle with licence to get forward. He's probably also do alright where McKay is. Don't think he has the discipline or engine to be part of a 2 away from home.

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jambo_4_eva
6 hours ago, cosanostra said:

 

We definitely have better players in some positions but we lost two of our very best players who were guaranteed starters.

Are Rowles and Shankland better than Souttar and Simms? Not yet.

It's still very early in the season and there's still time to get people in but our team doesn't feel better than last year to me. It feels about the same which was my point.

See everybody keeps going on about simms and souttar. Souttar was out for like half the season with injury and simms was only signed in January. No idea if the new boys will be good yet but theve only played 180mins. 

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3 minutes ago, jambo_4_eva said:

See everybody keeps going on about simms and souttar. Souttar was out for like half the season with injury and simms was only signed in January. No idea if the new boys will be good yet but theve only played 180mins. 

 

Souttar played 33 games last season. Not really out for half a season. 

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not. 🤣

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35 minutes ago, daveyhmfc said:

Nice to see Jorge Grant being written off by the support already. Give the guy time; football supporters have no patience whatsoever. 

Last week he was Iniesta this week he’s Malury Martin. Fickle bunch

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Leveins Battalion

Appreciate Kingsley was out yesterday but if we are to revert to our defensive 5 at the back we need a ball playing CH,Souttar played the role to a tee with his reverse diagonal balls to the wingers.

 

We need a dynamic centre midfielder,something different to what we have just now. 

 

I'd like us go for an out and out left footed direct winger,somebody in the Paddy Lane mould.

 

I think everybody that watches Hearts would like us to sign a big fast striker,for me the best Hearts teams always have this element.

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1 hour ago, Aussie Jambo said:

So do we need to sign more players by close of window.?

after yesterday’s game. 🤔

I’m thinking players up front and someone who can take a corner. 

Yesterday was strange. Grants set piece deliveries have been excellent in all previous games 

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2 minutes ago, boag1874 said:

Last week he was Iniesta this week he’s Malury Martin. Fickle bunch

 

He never hid yesterday. I'll say that for him. 

 

Just now, Leveins Battalion said:

Appreciate Kingsley was out yesterday but if we are to revert to our defensive 5 at the back we need a ball playing CH,Souttar played the role to a tee with his reverse diagonal balls to the wingers.

 

We need a dynamic centre midfielder,something different to what we have just now. 

 

I'd like us go for an out and out left footed direct winger,somebody in the Paddy Lane mould.

 

I think everybody that watches Hearts would like us to sign a big fast striker,for me the best Hearts teams always have this element.

 

4/4 agree. 👌

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40 minutes ago, gregzy2k7 said:

I think we just have to have patience, we will sign what is required imo, last season we brought in Barrie McKay late in the window, I expect another top signing or two to come, although when do we need to sign players to register them for europe? Isn't there a specific date?

 

Pretty sure it's the 11th at 23:59 for the play-offs; a week before for the group stages too

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Mr Elwood P
19 minutes ago, Bauld said:

 

I think a few players would have found yesterday tough.

 

It's a bigger game with more pressure and intensity than anything our new signings have experienced in the past. 

 

Coming this early in the season as well before everyone is fully match sharp would definitely have added to that.

 

As I said before the game. This was probably hibs best chance to beat us this season. From here we will only get stronger.


Rowles just played 120 mins in a World Cup qualifier and Shankland will have played in a Dundee Derby which is often a very similar game to ours ...

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jambo_4_eva
14 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

 

Souttar played 33 games last season. Not really out for half a season. 

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or not. 🤣

Just checked was 27 league games 6 Cup games. So about 25 percent he missed through injury. I semi agree. Just think as soon we lose a player the player gets better the longer he's away. Souttar was really average for me I don't get the love he gets. Simms decent last few games and won us semi. Had a poor 4-5 games at start. I think both can be replaced. Club doing the right thing taking its time to get the right players. We will miss simms rag dolling Defenders but be interesting to see how shankland gets on. 

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RustyRightPeg

Savage will know we’re still 2 or 3 away. 
 

Can already see Grant is wasted playing deeper. It’s literally the reason he said he had a bad season at Peterborough and yet we’re insisting on playing him there (at least until Devlin is fully fit). 
 

For me I reckon we need 4

 

ST

RM/RW (I’d be open to seeing Atkinson playing further forward)

CM

CB

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5 minutes ago, jambo_4_eva said:

Just checked was 27 league games 6 Cup games. So about 25 percent he missed through injury. I semi agree. Just think as soon we lose a player the player gets better the longer he's away. Souttar was really average for me I don't get the love he gets. Simms decent last few games and won us semi. Had a poor 4-5 games at start. I think both can be replaced. Club doing the right thing taking its time to get the right players. We will miss simms rag dolling Defenders but be interesting to see how shankland gets on. 

 

I agree that players get better when they're injured or leave on here.

Also agree that Simms strength up front was huge for us last year. 

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MR INCREDIBLE
6 hours ago, cosanostra said:

 

RCC would have been decent coming on for the last 30 mins yesterday. We seem to be aiming higher though.

Still, no point in aiming higher if we can't get the signing over the line.

He would not have come on yesterday!!!

He is a forward !!!

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1 hour ago, Aussie Jambo said:

So do we need to sign more players by close of window.?

after yesterday’s game. 🤔

I’m thinking players up front and someone who can take a corner. 

And an experienced right sided centre half

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Haring was finished and too slow last week and great this week.

Grant was great last week to not good enough this week.

Maybe just give players a decent period of time to show their worth. Not swing wildly dependent on that weeks results or performance.

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jambo_4_eva
3 minutes ago, jambopilms said:

Haring was finished and too slow last week and great this week.

Grant was great last week to not good enough this week.

Maybe just give players a decent period of time to show their worth. Not swing wildly dependent on that weeks results or performance.

Could say exactly the same thing with forest aswell.

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12 minutes ago, MR INCREDIBLE said:

He would not have come on yesterday!!!

He is a forward !!!

 

He wouldn't have come on because he's a forward? What on earth does that mean? Were we not allowed to bring forwards on?

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58 minutes ago, bistokid said:

Grants a conundrum as I don't think he suits being in a 2 man midfield. I think he's a 10 or part of a 3 in the middle with licence to get forward. He's probably also do alright where McKay is. Don't think he has the discipline or engine to be part of a 2 away from home.


Which is why I’ve said it wasn’t the change of formation that was the wrong choice yesterday, it was that Devlin came on for Grant when he should have come on for Boyce. We would have then effectively had a 3 man midfield of Haring/Devlin with Grant in front, meaning shorter passes could’ve been played, rather than lumped clearances to an isolated Shankland, marked McKay or knackered out on his feet Boyce. We could’ve held onto the ball better rather than gifting it back to them all the time.

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Robbie and Joe know what they're doing so I'm sure by the time the transfer window shuts we'll have at least a couple more players in ! We've got 6 games to play before window shuts.

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BackOfTheNet
6 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

 

He wouldn't have come on because he's a forward? What on earth does that mean? Were we not allowed to bring forwards on?


I’m assuming it’s a dig at the managerial decision making. Maybe saying that it doesn’t matter who we sign with tactics like that. (Not saying I agree/disagree with that, but it’s my interpretation of their post)

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7 hours ago, cosanostra said:

 

We definitely have better players in some positions but we lost two of our very best players who were guaranteed starters.

Are Rowles and Shankland better than Souttar and Simms? Not yet.

It's still very early in the season and there's still time to get people in but our team doesn't feel better than last year to me. It feels about the same which was my point.

Simms was a fluke.

 

It's very rare that an EPL loan turns out to be that good.

 

The majority of them that I can remember have been ok or bombed.

 

And Souttar couldn't be replaced to the same level. If we couldn't afford him, then we couldn't afford a like for like replacement.

 

 

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I don't think we need to panic, think we will bring in another couple of players and wouldn't be surprised if a couple also leave. Gino and GMS more than likely heading out the door. Also wouldn't be surprised if Henderson left either on loan or permanent. He isn't going to cut it at Hearts IMO and probably better for the lad to leave to play football. 

 

Haring was tremendous yesterday and along with Cochrane was our best player. We do need another body in there though, someone a bit different to what we have got. However it's no easy task trying to find someone of that ilk. The boy Anderson at Newcastle would have been ideal, however that doesn't look likely. There is always the possibility that if Newcastle buy more players that they will let him leave on loan. 

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Will we get a feel good Monday signing?

 

A decision was meant to have been over the weekend regarding Davenport, so he’s surely likely to be the favourite if anyone does come in. 

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Lord Beni of Gorgie

I've always suspected that Grant and to an extent Forrest are the men who will play the rotational roles when new men arrive. His corners yesterday, couple were poor, but some were into decent areas, Hibs to be fair defended them well enough and perhaps we just dont have our routines right in that area yet. 

 

If a midfielder and attacker come in, would expect these 2 guys still to figure but more so in home games in particular.

 

Ronan was on the bench for Wolves Saturday, they have quite a youthful squad, guessing this might be a year they are seeking to balance the books and he will be a squad player for them, I'd forget him

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