energy prices

[Greedy Jambo]

50k for the cheapest electric car, apparently. 

[moshy]

28 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said:

50k for the cheapest electric car, apparently. 

Is that the cost to fully charge it?

[ArcticJambo]

Well bring on the warmer temps, as we'll need them if we're no heating our 100-250 yr old houses over the winter!

[Greedy Jambo]

8 minutes ago, ArcticJambo said:

Well bring on the warmer temps, as we'll need them if we're no heating our 100-250 yr old houses over the winter!

We're already halfway through June, we've got another 3 months if we're lucky, before the heating has to go on again.

[William H. Bonney]

3 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said:

We're already halfway through June, we've got another 3 months if we're lucky, before the heating has to go on again.

 

My heating has hardly been off. ****ing baltic weather. 

[ArcticJambo]

5 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said:

We're already halfway through June, we've got another 3 months if we're lucky, before the heating has to go on again.

pretty much turned mine off in March bar the odd cool day. quitegood.

[Greedy Jambo]

3 minutes ago, William H. Bonney said:

 

My heating has hardly been off. ****ing baltic weather. 

I take it you don't stay in Scotland?

Thankfully mine has been off for a couple of months. 

[PTBCAL]

My heating is off March till September every year 

 

Neighbour below must have hers on constant as my house is warm 

[Greedy Jambo]

Buy a digital thermometer as well, that way you can't get tricked into putting it on! 

It's 18.8 degrees celsius in here just now, anything below 16 and it's time to worry. 

[William H. Bonney]

17 minutes ago, Greedy Jambo said:

I take it you don't stay in Scotland?

Thankfully mine has been off for a couple of months. 

 

West lothian. 300 days of guaranteed pishy weather.  

[Pans Jambo]

Why has electricity shot up then? We dont drill electricity from the North Sea or pump it from the local BP garage. 
 

I get oil prices going up due to the Russians and the greedy OPEC feckerz but whats that git ti do with wind generated electricity?

 

We are getting punked!!!

[il Duce McTarkin]

1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

Why has electricity shot up then? We dont drill electricity from the North Sea or pump it from the local BP garage. 
 

I get oil prices going up due to the Russians and the greedy OPEC feckerz but whats that git ti do with wind generated electricity?

 

We are getting punked!!!

 

Lolz

[Pap]

1 hour ago, Pans Jambo said:

Why has electricity shot up then? We dont drill electricity from the North Sea or pump it from the local BP garage. 
 

I get oil prices going up due to the Russians and the greedy OPEC feckerz but whats that git ti do with wind generated electricity?

 

We are getting punked!!!

 

Really?

[ri Alban]

6 hours ago, Greedy Jambo said:

50k for the cheapest electric car, apparently. 

If we traded our car, which/that we bought 6 months or so ago, we'd make over £6000.

[Jambo_jim2001]

6 hours ago, William H. Bonney said:

 

My heating has hardly been off. ****ing baltic weather. 

I wonder how many off the jambos kickback old guard will be here this time next year if we have a bad winter😳😳😂

[fabienleclerq]

4 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

Why has electricity shot up then? We dont drill electricity from the North Sea or pump it from the local BP garage. 
 

I get oil prices going up due to the Russians and the greedy OPEC feckerz but whats that git ti do with wind generated electricity?

 

We are getting punked!!!

 

Not enough lightning strikes this year due to global warming has put the prices right up.

[OBE]

3 hours ago, fabienleclerq said:

 

Not enough lightning strikes this year due to global warming has put the prices right up.

 

The term global warming has been dropped Bud, it's now called climate change, that term envelopes all the weird shit that's currently happening...

[JudyJudyJudy]

10 hours ago, ArcticJambo said:

pretty much turned mine off in March bar the odd cool day. quitegood.

I had my heating on last night . I felt a nip in the air 

[milky_26]

30 minutes ago, JudyJudyJudy said:

I had my heating on last night . I felt a nip in the air 

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

 

[Japan Jambo]

12 hours ago, Ked said:

Does anyone think this might just be the start .A way of shaping our behaviour.

Does anyone think this might just be a good thing and the similar pricing internationally  just might be a concerted effort to actually doing something about the climate crisis ?

 

Whether it is or not power cuts and fuel rationing through affordability is going to be the Norm.

Where we in the UK are miles behind is insulated houses and district heating.

 

 

given the struggle to fix potholes and empty bins I'm pretty sure global price fixing would be a stretch

[Howdy Doody Jambo]

1 hour ago, OBE said:

 

The term global warming has been dropped Bud, it's now called climate change, that term envelopes all the weird shit that's currently happening...

What do these influencers want? No change to the climate so the weather is the same and doing what they want No wind, no rain, no sun just boring grey cloud's with a constant temperature 

These  people driving this greenwashing are the one's making the money out of it having shares in all the big companies like our corrupt politicians setting the taxes and legislation to suit their greed, feeding it through the Internet and media as the working class picks up the bill 

 

Edited June 14, 2022 by The Maroon Pound

[Pans Jambo]

8 hours ago, Pap said:

 

Really?

Yip.

 

Unless its all gas or coal fuelled electricity power generators then how is Electricity more expensive?

 

Nuclear, wind and hydro are not affected by Russia invading Ukraine so why has it shot up?

[Howdy Doody Jambo]

29 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Yip.

 

Unless its all gas or coal fuelled electricity power generators then how is Electricity more expensive?

 

Nuclear, wind and hydro are not affected by Russia invading Ukraine so why has it shot up?

To pay for the furlough scheme and recoup all the money the government paid out for the Covids and stock up cash for state pensions, people's benefits, war's and staff party's etc 

[Pans Jambo]

16 minutes ago, The Maroon Pound said:

To pay for the furlough scheme and recoup all the money the government paid out for the Covids and stock up cash for state pensions, people's benefits, war's and staff party's etc 

Yeh, that sounds just about the right levels of shithoosery I would expect from Westminster and their cronies. Allow it to pass as long as the CEO's and share holders are making bank.

 

Inept and wont do anything about it. 

[Howdy Doody Jambo]

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/mps-and-outside-business-interests/

Maybe an explanation 

[Malinga the Swinga]

26 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said:

Yeh, that sounds just about the right levels of shithoosery I would expect from Westminster and their cronies. Allow it to pass as long as the CEO's and share holders are making bank.

 

Inept and wont do anything about it. 

Scotland sets own tax. Nothing stopping our government reducing tax rate in Scotland and giving tax payer more of their own money in their pocket.

All very well blaming Westminster but our govt could help Scottish people, it simply chooses not to.

[cuthy2k]

13 hours ago, Greedy Jambo said:

50k for the cheapest electric car, apparently. 

 

Not sure who told you that...

 

... Peugeot e-208 is £27,997. Nissan leaf is £24,162. Tesla Model 3 is £45,990. Mini Electric is £30,543. Audi Q4 e-tron is £44,453. Mazda MX-30 is £29,300. 

 

I won't continue. Link

[milky_26]

12 hours ago, Greedy Jambo said:

Buy a digital thermometer as well, that way you can't get tricked into putting it on! 

It's 18.8 degrees celsius in here just now, anything below 16 and it's time to worry. 

how do you know that your thermometer is accurate? do you get it calibrated regularly? do you carry out checks on it to confirm approximate accuracy?

[Pans Jambo]

3 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Scotland sets own tax. Nothing stopping our government reducing tax rate in Scotland and giving tax payer more of their own money in their pocket.

All very well blaming Westminster but our govt could help Scottish people, it simply chooses not to.

Until you get past £40 odd grand you pay LESS income tax in Scotland than you would in England which means that it is the clear majority of earners in Scotland that pay less (most people earn LESS than £43,663 P/A in Scotland).

 

Scotland doesn't set or impose the VAT rates.

 

What do you think that the Scottish government should do to help alleviate the fuel cost rises? Cut VAT and Duty on Petrol/Diesel? No, That's a reserved matter.

Charge the fuel producers a higher corporate tax rate? No, that's a reserved matter.

Nationalise the fuel industries? No, Westminster sold them all off in the 80's.

 

Maybe you have a better idea that the Scottish government could help with because Westminster wont even help you if you have a spare bedroom or kids that need school lunches.

 

Must try harder!

[Malinga the Swinga]

2 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

Until you get past £40 odd grand you pay LESS income tax in Scotland than you would in England which means that it is the clear majority of earners in Scotland that pay less (most people earn LESS than £43,663 P/A in Scotland).

 

Scotland doesn't set or impose the VAT rates.

 

What do you think that the Scottish government should do to help alleviate the fuel cost rises? Cut VAT and Duty on Petrol/Diesel? No, That's a reserved matter.

Charge the fuel producers a higher corporate tax rate? No, that's a reserved matter.

Nationalise the fuel industries? No, Westminster sold them all off in the 80's.

 

Maybe you have a better idea that the Scottish government could help with because Westminster wont even help you if you have a spare bedroom or kids that need school lunches.

 

Must try harder!

Nope, she could cut income tax rate in Scotland for everyone and we decide what to spend the money we earn on.

Pretty simple. No need for higher earners, or any other deflection.

Just cut the rate for us all.

[ri Alban]

3 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Scotland sets own tax. Nothing stopping our government reducing tax rate in Scotland and giving tax payer more of their own money in their pocket.

All very well blaming Westminster but our govt could help Scottish people, it simply chooses not to.

Shows you know nothing.

[Pans Jambo]

28 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Nope, she could cut income tax rate in Scotland for everyone and we decide what to spend the money we earn on.

Pretty simple. No need for higher earners, or any other deflection.

Just cut the rate for us all.

Well that's a debate for another fred. We are discussing high energy prices on this one.

[ri Alban]

3 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

Until you get past £40 odd grand you pay LESS income tax in Scotland than you would in England which means that it is the clear majority of earners in Scotland that pay less (most people earn LESS than £43,663 P/A in Scotland).

 

Scotland doesn't set or impose the VAT rates.

 

What do you think that the Scottish government should do to help alleviate the fuel cost rises? Cut VAT and Duty on Petrol/Diesel? No, That's a reserved matter.

Charge the fuel producers a higher corporate tax rate? No, that's a reserved matter.

Nationalise the fuel industries? No, Westminster sold them all off in the 80's.

 

Maybe you have a better idea that the Scottish government could help with because Westminster wont even help you if you have a spare bedroom or kids that need school lunches.

 

Must try harder!

Scotland produces about 16% of the uks electricity and uses 10%. England uses 83% and produces 72%. 

[Pans Jambo]

Just now, ri Alban said:

Scotland produces about 16% of the uks electricity and uses 10%. England uses 83% and produces 72%. 

When will "wee Nippy" ever apologise for this?

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

When will "wee Nippy" ever apologise for this?

We have more potential, so she better get the finger oot.   

 

 

Mind when David Cameron shut down the renewables in Scotland and invested it in England.

 

Anyway, the oil that ran oot is paying for the donations the Tories gave to their mates who didn't have Scooby about ventilators or PPE. 👍.

 

 

 

[Pans Jambo]

1 minute ago, ri Alban said:

We have more potential, so she better get the finger oot.   

 

 

Mind when David Cameron shut down the renewables in Scotland and invested it in England.

 

Anyway, the oil that ran oot is paying for the donations the Tories gave to their mates who didn't have Scooby about ventilators or PPE. 👍.

 

 

 

Not true, it (the oil) ran out in 2014 didnt it????

[ri Alban]

1 minute ago, Pans Jambo said:

Not true, it (the oil) ran out in 2014 didnt it????

And the wind will run oot in 2023. It's definitely a trait of the Scottish, to be a shitebag. 

 

 

Sport, politics and life in general, Scots have no confidence or ambition.

Edited June 14, 2022 by ri Alban

[Malinga the Swinga]

28 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

Shows you know nothing.

Okay, i refer only to income tax, not other types. It could choose to set 1 band of income tax, if it wanted, of 10% to kick in after £20k earned, allowing Scottish tax payers more money in pockets to pay energy and other bills. It chooses not to.

It could choose a high rate of 99% to kick in after £100k earned, but it chooses not to.

Point is, it has the right to set it's own rates and currently has them split into 5 different ones with starting rate 19 and high rate 46.

High rate threshold £43k(approx) whereas rest if UK sees high rate start at £50k.

Scottish government sees those earning £43k and more as fair game for higher rate tax. That is it's choice. 

£27k is figure when average person pays more in Scotland than elsewhere overall.

That is Scottish govt choice.

If they reduce their rates and increase their allowances, then Scottish tax payers, which includes a hell of a lot of Scots, would have more money in pocket to pay energy bills.

That of course is not without negative impact. How do public services etc get paid for being main one.

That wasn't point though, simply saying reducing tax by 2points would allow tax payer to have more cash.

[Malinga the Swinga]

24 minutes ago, ri Alban said:

And the wind will run oot in 2023. It's definitely a trait of the Scottish, to be a shitebag. 

 

 

Sport, politics and life in general, Scots have no confidence or ambition.

Totally disagree. We have confidence, we have ambition. What would feed these two traits is a concrete plan with detailed and proven data, a plan we could get behind as it has gone through rework, been seen by business as workable, has a currency and finance plan that will work, sets out exactly what debt position will be should we become independent, how pensions will be paid should we become independent and how our failing education system can be turned round. There are others.

What we don't have confidence or ambition in is a plan written by a 5 year old, based on unicorns, rainbows and shouts of freedom.

[Pans Jambo]

17 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Okay, i refer only to income tax, not other types. It could choose to set 1 band of income tax, if it wanted, of 10% to kick in after £20k earned, allowing Scottish tax payers more money in pockets to pay energy and other bills. It chooses not to.

It could choose a high rate of 99% to kick in after £100k earned, but it chooses not to.

Point is, it has the right to set it's own rates and currently has them split into 5 different ones with starting rate 19 and high rate 46.

High rate threshold £43k(approx) whereas rest if UK sees high rate start at £50k.

Scottish government sees those earning £43k and more as fair game for higher rate tax. That is it's choice. 

£27k is figure when average person pays more in Scotland than elsewhere overall.

That is Scottish govt choice.

If they reduce their rates and increase their allowances, then Scottish tax payers, which includes a hell of a lot of Scots, would have more money in pocket to pay energy bills.

That of course is not without negative impact. How do public services etc get paid for being main one.

That wasn't point though, simply saying reducing tax by 2points would allow tax payer to have more cash.

But we pay LESS than the rUK up to £43,600 (ish). If you earn more than that and struggle to pay your leccy bill then I would suggest you have made some poor lifestyle choices (not withstanding that leccy prices are a feckin disgrace)!

[Greedy Jambo]

4 hours ago, milky_26 said:

how do you know that your thermometer is accurate? do you get it calibrated regularly? do you carry out checks on it to confirm approximate accuracy?

No, I have 2 different models though that say the same temperature 😂

[Malinga the Swinga]

3 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

But we pay LESS than the rUK up to £43,600 (ish). If you earn more than that and struggle to pay your leccy bill then I would suggest you have made some poor lifestyle choices (not withstanding that leccy prices are a feckin disgrace)!

Nope, not according to the tax guide web page that details the difference between tax Regine's. The figure quoted is £27,850 where Scottish people start paying more tax.

It's not me making it up, it's not some paper with grudge, it is the tax guide.

So carry on believing what you want, the figures are there. 

I don't have difficulty paying any bills, but that doesn't mean others don't. From your attitude, you don't give a toss about those who earn what you consider higher than average salary, which says a fair bit about you.

You blame Westminster for all Scottish problems and refuse to admit that Scottish government could make changes to help Scots, regardless of income.

I say that while Westminster is full of assholes, the politics of grievance, which the SNP specialise in, do nothing for us a country. Maybe we should fix our own issues instead using whataboutery to deflect from our government inadequacies.

[Greedy Jambo]

21 hours ago, William H. Bonney said:

 

West lothian. 300 days of guaranteed pishy weather.  

Same, you really should turn your heating off. 

[Ked]

4 hours ago, Pans Jambo said:

But we pay LESS than the rUK up to £43,600 (ish). If you earn more than that and struggle to pay your leccy bill then I would suggest you have made some poor lifestyle choices (not withstanding that leccy prices are a feckin disgrace)!

Any earnings over 43 thousand should be taxed(after NI contributions)nearly half their wage.

That seems fair to you?

Not to me it doesn't.

 

[Pans Jambo]

58 minutes ago, Ked said:

Any earnings over 43 thousand should be taxed(after NI contributions)nearly half their wage.

That seems fair to you?

Not to me it doesn't.

 

Half? Nobody pays half mate. 
 

If you look at the link below,  Someone on £40k only pays a tenner a month more than someone in England. 80 odd percent in Scotland pay less tax than rUK. 
 

https://www.gov.scot/publications/changes-scottish-income-tax-2022-2023-factsheet/

[Pans Jambo]

1 hour ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Nope, not according to the tax guide web page that details the difference between tax Regine's. The figure quoted is £27,850 where Scottish people start paying more tax.

It's not me making it up, it's not some paper with grudge, it is the tax guide.

So carry on believing what you want, the figures are there. 

I don't have difficulty paying any bills, but that doesn't mean others don't. From your attitude, you don't give a toss about those who earn what you consider higher than average salary, which says a fair bit about you.

You blame Westminster for all Scottish problems and refuse to admit that Scottish government could make changes to help Scots, regardless of income.

I say that while Westminster is full of assholes, the politics of grievance, which the SNP specialise in, do nothing for us a country. Maybe we should fix our own issues instead using whataboutery to deflect from our government inadequacies.

I earn a higher than average salary. I just prefer my taxes to not be spent on nuclear bombs, dodgy PPE or painting palaces. 
If the tax was cut as you suggest, would that stop the fuel costs rising?

 

Its not a cost of living crisis, its a cost of voting tory crisis. 
 

Easy to shout about grievance politics when Westminster controls 70 odd percent of powers in Scotland and then ignores the democratically elected government here. 

That lot wont even pay for a spare bedroom or starving kids to eat a lunch at school. 

Its done!

[Greedy Jambo]

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Edited June 14, 2022 by Greedy Jambo

[Gizmo]

I don't have a problem paying extra tax on the proviso it helps people who need it by allowing a more progressive, fairer tax system. 

The record levels of taxation, including the NI rise enacted by a govt who were elected on a promise not to raise taxes, does not seem to attract the same opprobrium from those complaining about the Scottish tax rates. Or at least I haven't noticed a similar fervour. 
 

[Pans Jambo]

13 minutes ago, Gizmo said:

I don't have a problem paying extra tax on the proviso it helps people who need it by allowing a more progressive, fairer tax system. 

The record levels of taxation, including the NI rise enacted by a govt who were elected on a promise not to raise taxes, does not seem to attract the same opprobrium from those complaining about the Scottish tax rates. Or at least I haven't noticed a similar fervour. 
 

Good post. Have to admit, I had to look up “opprobrium” 😂