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1 minute ago, Jambo_jim2001 said:

A wee bitty more🤔I just hope the Russians build their weapons as good as their cars😳

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On 16/02/2022 at 23:17, SwindonJambo said:

 

I certainly despise their leader and have zero kind wishes for him but I’m sure there are plenty of decent everyday Russians who deserve a lot better than they’re getting. Hopefully there will be some sort of revolution there and they’ll get freedom and democracy, Sadly I think we might have a long wait. It’s run by cleptocratic gangsters and bullies approved by Mr Putin and no doubt he has an anointed successor in his own image.

I am sure the Mossad will be preparing a covert assassination team as we speak. Putin will not survive an invasion of Ukraine. He’ll either be taken out by a ‘foreign power’ or pressured out by the military. The oligarchs can’t wait to get rid of him. As soon as a NATO tank heads in his direction it’s game over for him. He cannot win a war if the major players get involved.

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1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

I am sure the Mossad will be preparing a covert assassination team as we speak. Putin will not survive an invasion of Ukraine. He’ll either be taken out by a ‘foreign power’ or pressured out by the military. The oligarchs can’t wait to get rid of him. As soon as a NATO tank heads in his direction it’s game over for him. He cannot win a war if the major players get involved.

 

Why would the Mossad have any interest in doing that? Israel has never crossed swords with Russia even with the whole Syria conflict.

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5 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

Why would the Mossad have any interest in doing that? Israel has never crossed swords with Russia even with the whole Syria conflict.

I think he maybe intimating that Mossad will do the CIA dirty work for a good price.

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19 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

Why would the Mossad have any interest in doing that? Israel has never crossed swords with Russia even with the whole Syria conflict.

Mossad has been doing the US dirty and black ops virtually since the day they were formed.

 

They will do whatever is asked of them. Any target. Any country. As long as the US props up Israel that will continue to be the case and they don’t much care if everyone knows it was them

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A report from today's Russian Security Council meeting from a Guardian journalist.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Aren't all or most of the Oligarchs also Israeli citizens? 

No not really. 3 or 4 of the top ones have multiple citizenships for nothing more than convenience including Israeli, but most are Russian and nothing else

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24 minutes ago, Cruyff said:

Aren't all or most of the Oligarchs also Israeli citizens? 

 

A large amount of Israel's population descend from Soviet Jews. The chances of them taking out Putin because the US asked them to is zero and that's being optimistic.

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46 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

I think he maybe intimating that Mossad will do the CIA dirty work for a good price.

 

Not enough money in the world to make such a job worth it for Israel.

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39 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

Mossad has been doing the US dirty and black ops virtually since the day they were formed.

 

They will do whatever is asked of them. Any target. Any country. As long as the US props up Israel that will continue to be the case and they don’t much care if everyone knows it was them

 

Israel has to maintain good relations with Russia and China.

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Still don't see what Russia has to gain by invading Ukraine, sure they would get a bit more territory, but is it going to be worth the economic shit storm that would follow, more importantly if Russia took over more of Ukraine, Putin would find himself in the very position that he's trying to avoid right now, that namely being, having NATO troops massed on or near the Russian border, as there would be even less distance between NATO & Russian forces, if Putin invaded Ukraine. 

 

Russia needs Ukraine as a buffer between itself and NATO countries, if Putin invades Ukraine he loses that buffer, and Putin will know that.

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4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Still don't see what Russia has to gain by invading Ukraine, sure they would get a bit more territory, but is it going to be worth the economic shit storm that would follow, more importantly if Russia took over more of Ukraine, Putin would find himself in the very position that he's trying to avoid right now, that namely being, having NATO troops massed on or near the Russian border, as there would be even less distance between NATO & Russian forces, if Putin invaded Ukraine. 

 

Russia needs Ukraine as a buffer between itself and NATO countries, if Putin invades Ukraine he loses that buffer, and Putin will know that.

 

Ukraine isn't a buffer if it has NATO troops in it though. The Ukraine-Russia land border is about 2000km long, much of it within striking distance of Moscow. Although Russian territorial land grabs are reprehensible, you can understand why Russia doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO. They would effectively be maintaining that buffer by invading Ukraine.

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36 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

Israel has to maintain good relations with Russia and China.

Yep, that’s why they assassinated a top Russian general and a Russian government scientist who were offering Novichuk to Arab dictators

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51 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

A large amount of Israel's population descend from Soviet Jews. The chances of them taking out Putin because the US asked them to is zero and that's being optimistic.

Correct, and the next question you need to ask is why they fled Russia ?

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17 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

Still don't see what Russia has to gain by invading Ukraine, sure they would get a bit more territory, but is it going to be worth the economic shit storm that would follow, more importantly if Russia took over more of Ukraine, Putin would find himself in the very position that he's trying to avoid right now, that namely being, having NATO troops massed on or near the Russian border, as there would be even less distance between NATO & Russian forces, if Putin invaded Ukraine. 

 

Russia needs Ukraine as a buffer between itself and NATO countries, if Putin invades Ukraine he loses that buffer, and Putin will know that.

No he  doesn't need a buffer. Poland are  part of NATO now. They have a direct border with Russia.

 

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44 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

Israel has to maintain good relations with Russia and China.

British and USA warships visit Haifa.

Soviet Warships visit Alexandria.

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4 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

No he  doesn't need a buffer. Poland are  part of NATO now. They have a direct border with Russia.

 

No they don’t. Not for a number of years. The small matter of Belarus between them. 

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49 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

Israel has to maintain good relations with Russia and China.

The one with the US is more important. Around £3bn of military funding every year. 

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3 minutes ago, Tazio said:

No they don’t. Not for a number of years. The small matter of Belarus between them. 

Poland borders the Ukraine. Sorry my mistake.

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25 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

No he  doesn't need a buffer. Poland are  part of NATO now. They have a direct border with Russia.

 

 

A comparatively insignificant and even disconnected part of Russia. Come on now. :)

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23 minutes ago, Tazio said:

No they don’t. Not for a number of years. The small matter of Belarus between them. 

 

Technically speaking, aye they do. Kaliningrad.

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Estonia, Latvia and Norway share a land border with Russia and are all NATO.

Lithuania and Poland border the Kaliningrad exclave and are both NATO.

Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria border Russia across the Black Sea and are all NATO.

 

Belarus is a puppet Russian state.

 

The idea of "buffer nations" hasn't existed since 2004.

 

Ukraine is almost the last one, so that's why it's a pawn in the Putin/NATO power play.

Maybe Putin will turn his attentions to Finland if this all goes tits up.

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Now confirmed.

 

Putin recognises independence of breakaway areas of Ukraine

The Kremlin says President Putin has decided to recognise the independence of two breakaway areas of Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

A Kremlin statement said Putin had told the French and German leaders he intended to sign a decree recognising the Donetsk and Luhansk areas as independent states.

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36 minutes ago, Cade said:

Estonia, Latvia and Norway share a land border with Russia and are all NATO.

Lithuania and Poland border the Kaliningrad exclave and are both NATO.

Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria border Russia across the Black Sea and are all NATO.

 

Belarus is a puppet Russian state.

 

The idea of "buffer nations" hasn't existed since 2004.

 

Ukraine is almost the last one, so that's why it's a pawn in the Putin/NATO power play.

Maybe Putin will turn his attentions to Finland if this all goes tits up.

Hope he does turn to Finland and forgets his history.

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1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

Yep, that’s why they assassinated a top Russian general and a Russian government scientist who were offering Novichuk to Arab dictators

 

What year was this?

Whenever Israel targets Iran or Syria they always avoid Russian personnel. Russia does the same in return.

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1 hour ago, Tazio said:

The one with the US is more important. Around £3bn of military funding every year. 

 

Doesn't mean they will be involved in any US-Russia conflict. They will want no part of it.

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Just the same kinds of excuses and demands that Hitler used for invading Poland and annexing Austria?

You have to wonder what Putin's aim is here. Even many Russian people, especially those who have sons and daughters in the army, aren't likely to be in favour of this madness. 

The western powers can't go into a military conflict with Russia, over this situation, so we hope that they can hurt Putin in other ways, whilst standing firm for the other countries who were freed from the shackles of the Soviets.

Presumably Russia and Belarus will be excluded from any participation in future world events. They need to be completely isolated if they go ahead with this, as a minimum cost.

 

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Shits really hitting the fan now unfortunately.

 

That Putin meeting with his staff was like a play. All of them absolutely bricking it from him too.

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1 hour ago, John Findlay said:

British and USA warships visit Haifa.

Soviet Warships visit Alexandria.

 

Israel sells weapons to Russia and many other countries

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13 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Hope he does turn to Finland and forgets his history.

 

It would be nice for Finland to win back the portion of Karelia that the Russians nicked anyway. :)

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What a rambling mess. He has totally lost it which makes him all the more dangerous. 

 

And absolutely nothing to do with NATO, this is all about gaining back land of the USSR 

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Jeffros Furios

He's lost the plot  . 

Snarling away like a deranged chimp 

Lie after lie after lie .

But according to two poster he's the good guy .

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1 minute ago, Jeffros Furios said:

He's lost the plot  . 

Snarling away like a deranged chimp 

Lie after lie after lie .

But according to two poster he's the good guy .

Enough about Johnson.

What about Putin?

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2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said:

Enough about Johnson.

What about Putin?

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3 minutes ago, gashauskis9 said:

Hope this isn’t just another ploy to throw another 10 new countries into Euro/World Cup qualifying.

 

:D Joking aside, they will end up being recognised, as well as Russia, by very few territories such as Abkhazia, South Ossetia etc, with perhaps Nicaragua, Venezuela and a couple of other stragglers thrown in. Everyone else will consider them part of Ukraine although administratively they will be Russian.

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