ri Alban Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 What's Belarus' gaime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo_jim2001 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Still under Soviet influence I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Jambo_jim2001 said: Still under Soviet influence I think 👍A bit like the UK and The US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo_jim2001 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 A wee bitty more🤔I just hope the Russians build their weapons as good as their cars😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Jambo_jim2001 said: A wee bitty more🤔I just hope the Russians build their weapons as good as their cars😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JimmyCant Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 On 16/02/2022 at 23:17, SwindonJambo said: I certainly despise their leader and have zero kind wishes for him but I’m sure there are plenty of decent everyday Russians who deserve a lot better than they’re getting. Hopefully there will be some sort of revolution there and they’ll get freedom and democracy, Sadly I think we might have a long wait. It’s run by cleptocratic gangsters and bullies approved by Mr Putin and no doubt he has an anointed successor in his own image. I am sure the Mossad will be preparing a covert assassination team as we speak. Putin will not survive an invasion of Ukraine. He’ll either be taken out by a ‘foreign power’ or pressured out by the military. The oligarchs can’t wait to get rid of him. As soon as a NATO tank heads in his direction it’s game over for him. He cannot win a war if the major players get involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, JimmyCant said: I am sure the Mossad will be preparing a covert assassination team as we speak. Putin will not survive an invasion of Ukraine. He’ll either be taken out by a ‘foreign power’ or pressured out by the military. The oligarchs can’t wait to get rid of him. As soon as a NATO tank heads in his direction it’s game over for him. He cannot win a war if the major players get involved. Why would the Mossad have any interest in doing that? Israel has never crossed swords with Russia even with the whole Syria conflict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Why would the Mossad have any interest in doing that? Israel has never crossed swords with Russia even with the whole Syria conflict. I think he maybe intimating that Mossad will do the CIA dirty work for a good price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Why would the Mossad have any interest in doing that? Israel has never crossed swords with Russia even with the whole Syria conflict. Mossad has been doing the US dirty and black ops virtually since the day they were formed. They will do whatever is asked of them. Any target. Any country. As long as the US props up Israel that will continue to be the case and they don’t much care if everyone knows it was them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Aren't all or most of the Oligarchs also Israeli citizens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) A report from today's Russian Security Council meeting from a Guardian journalist. Edited February 21, 2022 by Footballfirst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Aren't all or most of the Oligarchs also Israeli citizens? No not really. 3 or 4 of the top ones have multiple citizenships for nothing more than convenience including Israeli, but most are Russian and nothing else Edited February 21, 2022 by JimmyCant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Aren't all or most of the Oligarchs also Israeli citizens? A large amount of Israel's population descend from Soviet Jews. The chances of them taking out Putin because the US asked them to is zero and that's being optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 46 minutes ago, John Findlay said: I think he maybe intimating that Mossad will do the CIA dirty work for a good price. Not enough money in the world to make such a job worth it for Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 39 minutes ago, JimmyCant said: Mossad has been doing the US dirty and black ops virtually since the day they were formed. They will do whatever is asked of them. Any target. Any country. As long as the US props up Israel that will continue to be the case and they don’t much care if everyone knows it was them Israel has to maintain good relations with Russia and China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Still don't see what Russia has to gain by invading Ukraine, sure they would get a bit more territory, but is it going to be worth the economic shit storm that would follow, more importantly if Russia took over more of Ukraine, Putin would find himself in the very position that he's trying to avoid right now, that namely being, having NATO troops massed on or near the Russian border, as there would be even less distance between NATO & Russian forces, if Putin invaded Ukraine. Russia needs Ukraine as a buffer between itself and NATO countries, if Putin invades Ukraine he loses that buffer, and Putin will know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Still don't see what Russia has to gain by invading Ukraine, sure they would get a bit more territory, but is it going to be worth the economic shit storm that would follow, more importantly if Russia took over more of Ukraine, Putin would find himself in the very position that he's trying to avoid right now, that namely being, having NATO troops massed on or near the Russian border, as there would be even less distance between NATO & Russian forces, if Putin invaded Ukraine. Russia needs Ukraine as a buffer between itself and NATO countries, if Putin invades Ukraine he loses that buffer, and Putin will know that. Ukraine isn't a buffer if it has NATO troops in it though. The Ukraine-Russia land border is about 2000km long, much of it within striking distance of Moscow. Although Russian territorial land grabs are reprehensible, you can understand why Russia doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO. They would effectively be maintaining that buffer by invading Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 36 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Israel has to maintain good relations with Russia and China. Yep, that’s why they assassinated a top Russian general and a Russian government scientist who were offering Novichuk to Arab dictators Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: A large amount of Israel's population descend from Soviet Jews. The chances of them taking out Putin because the US asked them to is zero and that's being optimistic. Correct, and the next question you need to ask is why they fled Russia ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said: Still don't see what Russia has to gain by invading Ukraine, sure they would get a bit more territory, but is it going to be worth the economic shit storm that would follow, more importantly if Russia took over more of Ukraine, Putin would find himself in the very position that he's trying to avoid right now, that namely being, having NATO troops massed on or near the Russian border, as there would be even less distance between NATO & Russian forces, if Putin invaded Ukraine. Russia needs Ukraine as a buffer between itself and NATO countries, if Putin invades Ukraine he loses that buffer, and Putin will know that. No he doesn't need a buffer. Poland are part of NATO now. They have a direct border with Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 44 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Israel has to maintain good relations with Russia and China. British and USA warships visit Haifa. Soviet Warships visit Alexandria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, John Findlay said: No he doesn't need a buffer. Poland are part of NATO now. They have a direct border with Russia. No they don’t. Not for a number of years. The small matter of Belarus between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 49 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said: Israel has to maintain good relations with Russia and China. The one with the US is more important. Around £3bn of military funding every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tazio said: No they don’t. Not for a number of years. The small matter of Belarus between them. Poland borders the Ukraine. Sorry my mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, John Findlay said: No he doesn't need a buffer. Poland are part of NATO now. They have a direct border with Russia. A comparatively insignificant and even disconnected part of Russia. Come on now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 23 minutes ago, Tazio said: No they don’t. Not for a number of years. The small matter of Belarus between them. Technically speaking, aye they do. Kaliningrad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, redjambo said: Technically speaking, aye they do. Kaliningrad. I don’t count enclaves 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just now, Tazio said: I don’t count enclaves 😄 That's good, because it's not an enclave. It's an exclave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) Estonia, Latvia and Norway share a land border with Russia and are all NATO. Lithuania and Poland border the Kaliningrad exclave and are both NATO. Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria border Russia across the Black Sea and are all NATO. Belarus is a puppet Russian state. The idea of "buffer nations" hasn't existed since 2004. Ukraine is almost the last one, so that's why it's a pawn in the Putin/NATO power play. Maybe Putin will turn his attentions to Finland if this all goes tits up. Edited February 21, 2022 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo-Jimbo Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Putin to address the nation shortly, according to state TV, sky news is reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Putin expected to address the nation shortly and declare Russia's recognition of the two "peoples republics" in Donbas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Now confirmed. Putin recognises independence of breakaway areas of Ukraine The Kremlin says President Putin has decided to recognise the independence of two breakaway areas of Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists. A Kremlin statement said Putin had told the French and German leaders he intended to sign a decree recognising the Donetsk and Luhansk areas as independent states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 36 minutes ago, Cade said: Estonia, Latvia and Norway share a land border with Russia and are all NATO. Lithuania and Poland border the Kaliningrad exclave and are both NATO. Turkey, Romania and Bulgaria border Russia across the Black Sea and are all NATO. Belarus is a puppet Russian state. The idea of "buffer nations" hasn't existed since 2004. Ukraine is almost the last one, so that's why it's a pawn in the Putin/NATO power play. Maybe Putin will turn his attentions to Finland if this all goes tits up. Hope he does turn to Finland and forgets his history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, JimmyCant said: Yep, that’s why they assassinated a top Russian general and a Russian government scientist who were offering Novichuk to Arab dictators What year was this? Whenever Israel targets Iran or Syria they always avoid Russian personnel. Russia does the same in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Tazio said: The one with the US is more important. Around £3bn of military funding every year. Doesn't mean they will be involved in any US-Russia conflict. They will want no part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Just the same kinds of excuses and demands that Hitler used for invading Poland and annexing Austria? You have to wonder what Putin's aim is here. Even many Russian people, especially those who have sons and daughters in the army, aren't likely to be in favour of this madness. The western powers can't go into a military conflict with Russia, over this situation, so we hope that they can hurt Putin in other ways, whilst standing firm for the other countries who were freed from the shackles of the Soviets. Presumably Russia and Belarus will be excluded from any participation in future world events. They need to be completely isolated if they go ahead with this, as a minimum cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Shits really hitting the fan now unfortunately. That Putin meeting with his staff was like a play. All of them absolutely bricking it from him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 hour ago, John Findlay said: British and USA warships visit Haifa. Soviet Warships visit Alexandria. Israel sells weapons to Russia and many other countries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Hope he does turn to Finland and forgets his history. It would be nice for Finland to win back the portion of Karelia that the Russians nicked anyway. Edited February 21, 2022 by redjambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Putin unilaterally recognises Donetsk and Luhansk. Ukraine does *anything* Putin uses that as pretext for invasion. All very predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Putin's a psychopath, recognising the contested territories as Russian entities to provoke the Ukrainians to defend them or pull troops out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo_jim2001 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 This could turn into a shitshow pretty fast,that we can all agree on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 What a rambling mess. He has totally lost it which makes him all the more dangerous. And absolutely nothing to do with NATO, this is all about gaining back land of the USSR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Ukraine's choice now is give up more land (inc. Crimea) or defend it and face annihilation of their towns & Cities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Hope this isn’t just another ploy to throw another 10 new countries into Euro/World Cup qualifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 He's lost the plot . Snarling away like a deranged chimp Lie after lie after lie . But according to two poster he's the good guy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Jeffros Furios said: He's lost the plot . Snarling away like a deranged chimp Lie after lie after lie . But according to two poster he's the good guy . Enough about Johnson. What about Putin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: Enough about Johnson. What about Putin? 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, gashauskis9 said: Hope this isn’t just another ploy to throw another 10 new countries into Euro/World Cup qualifying. Joking aside, they will end up being recognised, as well as Russia, by very few territories such as Abkhazia, South Ossetia etc, with perhaps Nicaragua, Venezuela and a couple of other stragglers thrown in. Everyone else will consider them part of Ukraine although administratively they will be Russian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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