Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, Gordon Zola said: 99.9%? still a personal choice though Sorry, you'll need to explain that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Do you think that simply spending more money on health would solve the problem overnight? no, but i don't think successive government inadequacies/underfunding should dictate a persons freedoms. has every healthcare system in every country in the world been underfunded then? if so, then why are we still listening to these people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Sorry, you'll need to explain that one. if a person gets sick from not taking the vaccine, thats their choice? Edited January 6, 2022 by Gordon Zola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tazio said: I think you’re just being obtuse here. I'm certain he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tazio said: I think you’re just being obtuse here. My mother is 90 with emphysema as an example so even a mild case could be very dangerous to her. I know people with health conditions that make them vulnerable also. So that unvaccinated person might not care if the get it but anyone with a shred of decency or intelligence would surely want to lessen the chance they may infect someone. but she could get it from a vaccinated person also....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Gordon Zola said: if a person gets sick from not taking the vaccine, thats their choice? Of course. Have they been denied treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, Gordon Zola said: but she could get it from a vaccinated person also....... But less chance of that. Do percentages confuse you in the rest of life as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackney Hearts Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Gordon Zola said: but she could get it from a vaccinated person also....... But far far less likely. Do you understand how percentages work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: So you got jags to go to a foreign country. Same applies to Djokovic. i'm not sure if i would have been banned from going to mexico if i hadnt got my jag? it was a while ago. i think it was my choice. doesn't seem to be a choice with the covid vaccine though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Of course. Have they been denied treatment? sorry not sure what you mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said: no, but i don't think successive government inadequacies/underfunding should dictate a persons freedoms. has every healthcare system in every country in the world been underfunded then? if so, then why are we still listening to these people? Which governments had spent money planning for a contagious, respiratory virus that was unknown till the end of 2019 precisely? I'm glad you support extra taxes being applied for contingencies that might never happen. What else should governments spend extra taxes on. Nuclear shelters for all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, Hackney Hearts said: But far far less likely. Do you understand how percentages work? how less likely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 His old man is a complete ringpiece tae. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, Gordon Zola said: sorry not sure what you mean You're the one who queried 99.9%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Tazio said: But less chance of that. Do percentages confuse you in the rest of life as well? just ignore him, he tried the same tactics on the covid thread back iirc in november Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Tazio said: But less chance of that. Do percentages confuse you in the rest of life as well? how much less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said: how much less? 63% less chance of infecting a vaccinated person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bindy Badgy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Cade said: His old man is a complete ringpiece tae. Yup. https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/1545927/Novak-Djokovic-family-press-conference-Belgrade-Serbia-Australian-Open-visa Quote But father Srdjan Djokovic was clearly emotional in the press conference has likened his son's treatment by Australian authorities to Jesus' crucifixion. "Jesus was crucified and everything was done to him, and he endured, he is still alive among us," he said. "They are trying to crucify Novak in the same way, to underestimate him, to throw him to his knees, to do everything to him. "My late grandmother Sara Jaukovic from Savnik always said 'shame on you, girl, when you don't have a face'. "Well, I'm telling them now, shame on you when you don't have a cheek. To do the best athlete, tennis player in the world." 4 minutes ago, milky_26 said: just ignore him, he tried the same tactics on the covid thread back iirc in november Probably the best option. Let's get back to laughing at Djokovic being hopefully kicked out of Oz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Which governments had spent money planning for a contagious, respiratory virus that was unknown till the end of 2019 precisely? I'm glad you support extra taxes being applied for contingencies that might never happen. What else should governments spend extra taxes on. Nuclear shelters for all? encouraging healthy lifestyles for the past god knows how many years would have been good. anyone know how many people die from cancer, heart disease each year (through lifestyle choices). society is generally unhealthy/sick, but hey lets cut corners and take a shot because i cant be bothered looking after myself and have a go at the people who have looked after themselves over the years, built a healthy immune system and haven't been in hospital for years (due to anything to do with their lifestyle). this hospital stuff is being used to take away people who have lived a healthy lifestyles freedoms. lets protect the vulnerable though, i agree with that. tyhe governments didnt though when everyone was dying in the carehomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: You're the one who queried 99.9%. any links? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 18 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: I'm getting my booster this morning. I fully expect to catch Covid in the next few weeks afterwards. I'd rather train my immune system as much as possible for a potential infection and then catch it to drive my own immunity. The key point is that unless I'm extremely unlucky, I won't need a hospital bed and treatment. My wife is a nurse manager. One of her colleagues has been seconded to run one of the Covid wards here. When you learn, consistently, that 99.9% of those on ventilators are unvaxxed, you take that real life evidence into account. So you've had your booster and now expect to catch covid very shortly, hope your not in sales 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said: any links? A link. Did you actually read my post? From talking to my wife who is regularly talking to one of her colleagues working on a Covid ward. Now you can choose to not believe that if you wish. It's amazing how much choice you have in life but, as a qualified statistician, I like when real-life empirical evidence corroborates with evidence and studies that I've read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, escobri said: So you've had your booster and now expect to catch covid very shortly, hope your not in sales 🤣 Yes I do. I actually want to catch it. This is because I know the vaccine doesn't produce sterilising immunity, just like the flu vaccine. It's called playing the odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, Geoff Kilpatrick said: A link. Did you actually read my post? From talking to my wife who is regularly talking to one of her colleagues working on a Covid ward. Now you can choose to not believe that if you wish. It's amazing how much choice you have in life but, as a qualified statistician, I like when real-life empirical evidence corroborates with evidence and studies that I've read. so just to confirm, you are saying that 99.9% of people in hospitals are unvaxxed? that cant be that many people considering most of the population has been vaxxed. how small are these hospitals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Yes I do. I actually want to catch it. This is because I know the vaccine doesn't produce sterilising immunity, just like the flu vaccine. It's called playing the odds. did you fear the flu every year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Gordon Zola said: so just to confirm, you are saying that 99.9% of people in hospitals are unvaxxed? that cant be that many people considering most of the population has been vaxxed. how small are these hospitals? No. I said 99.9% of people ON VENTILATORS in that particular ward were unvaxxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 27 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said: when i got my jags to go to mexico i never once that anyone who hadnt had a jag was a threat to me. i take it this works (or doesnt work) differently I haven’t the slightest interest in who has been vaccinated or not . It’s none of my business . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
best in the land Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 If a country had rules you have to follow them if you want to go there. Zero sympathy for this privileged entitled arsehole. Hopefully booted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Gordon Zola said: did you fear the flu every year? No. I don't fear Covid either. When I played rugby at school I wore a mouth guard, not because I feared my teeth would be knocked out but I reduced my risk of that happening. If I was scared I wouldn't have played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: No. I said 99.9% of people ON VENTILATORS in that particular ward were unvaxxed. hell mend them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said: did you fear the flu every year? You’ve said you took jags to get into mexico, why did you do that but don’t think Djokovic should to get into Aus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: No. I don't fear Covid either. When I played rugby at school I wore a mouth guard, not because I feared my teeth would be knocked out but I reduced my risk of that happening. If I was scared I wouldn't have played. just like i wore shinpads playing football. i wasnt banned from playing if i didnt wear them though, it was my own personal choice and if i broke my leg it would be down to the decision that i made Edited January 6, 2022 by Gordon Zola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, best in the land said: If a country had rules you have to follow them if you want to go there. Zero sympathy for this privileged entitled arsehole. Hopefully booted out. its more about the rules than him going. very totalitarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, Gordon Zola said: just like i wore shinpads playing football. i wasnt banned from playing if i didnt wear them though, it was my own personal choice and if i broke my leg it would be down to my own choice And now you are banned from playing without them in professional football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Here we were on the home stretch starting to enjoy pictures of bottoms and everything and along game Gordon Feckin' Zola the buzzkill. Feck me! What was it that Jilted John sang? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, Gordon Zola said: just like i wore shinpads playing football. i wasnt banned from playing if i didnt wear them though, it was my own personal choice and if i broke my leg it would be down to my own choice Indeed. However, certain sports now insist protective equipment is worn, such as helmets in cricket. A helmet didn't save Phil Hughes, for example, but helmets have stopped a lot of head injuries in cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Shanks said: You’ve said you took jags to get into mexico, why did you do that but don’t think Djokovic should to get into Aus? i probably feared catching what i was being vaccinated against, i dont think djokovic fears covid, nor do i Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tazio said: And now you are banned from playing without them in professional football. but not barred from life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, Gordon Zola said: i probably feared catching what i was being vaccinated against, i dont think djokovic fears covid, nor do i What were you vaccinated against to get into mexico? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 Right I’m out. I’m off to shout at a brick wall for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Indeed. However, certain sports now insist protective equipment is worn, such as helmets in cricket. A helmet didn't save Phil Hughes, for example, but helmets have stopped a lot of head injuries in cricket. fair enough, but its on a different level. it would be my choice then if i wanted to play football. dont really have a choice if i need to enter a shop to buy food to feed my family. do you think i should be excluded from life for not taking the vaccine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Shanks said: What were you vaccinated against to get into mexico? typhoid i think. was a few years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tazio said: Right I’m out. I’m off to shout at a brick wall for a while. good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gordon Zola said: fair enough, but its on a different level. it would be my choice then if i wanted to play football. dont really have a choice if i need to enter a shop to buy food to feed my family. do you think i should be excluded from life for not taking the vaccine? No one is stopped from the necessities of life. Going to sport, the gym, restaurants etc. aren't necessities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 This is like a 3 year old bairn playing the "but whyyyyy" game Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Indeed. However, certain sports now insist protective equipment is worn, such as helmets in cricket. A helmet didn't save Phil Hughes, for example, but helmets have stopped a lot of head injuries in cricket. Have you got anything to hand that might illustrate the effect of being hit on the head by a cricket ball? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Cade said: This is like a 3 year old bairn playing the "but whyyyyy" game Pathetic. ***** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, jonnothejambo said: Shinpads do not prevent someone from breaking their leg. splitting hairs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Zola Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: No one is stopped from the necessities of life. Going to sport, the gym, restaurants etc. aren't necessities. its coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, Cade said: This is like a 3 year old bairn playing the "but whyyyyy" game Pathetic. Are we there yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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