Fan Restrictions in Germany

[Wee Mikey]

2 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

I’m looking forward to it also but I doubt if I will ever give them any of my money again unless it’s in exceptional circumstances. 

 

I toiled with that conundrum last time but resolved it with the logic that they buy an ends-worth of tickets from us, so it evens out. Having said that, 2 x £34 hurts, but is instantly forgotten when we're still singing to their thousands of empty seats a mere minute or so after full-time (mind you, it's difficult to tell when this photo was taken as they traditionally dress up as seats):-

 

 

[Wee Mikey]

57 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Not true. 

 

You can refuse service at any shop, you don't have to give a reason either. 

 

You can refuse access as well without giving a reason. 

 

 

 

That's true. I well remember having a chuckle in Baker, California at the sign, "No shirt, no shoes, no service."

 

They tried that in Lochend, and the environs, so I'm led to believe, but had to cave in as trade dried up. 🤭

[Nucky Thompson]

1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Not true. 

 

You can refuse service at any shop, you don't have to give a reason either. 

 

You can refuse access as well without giving a reason. 

 

 

Providers of services can't refuse service for non mask wearing, it's disability discrimination

[Bazzas right boot]

18 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Providers of services can't refuse service for non mask wearing, it's disability discrimination

 

You can refuse service to anyone  without a reason.

 

[Bazzas right boot]

49 minutes ago, Wee Mikey said:

 

That's true. I well remember having a chuckle in Baker, California at the sign, "No shirt, no shoes, no service."

 

They tried that in Lochend, and the environs, so I'm led to believe, but had to cave in as trade dried up. 🤭

😎

 

 

 

 

[August Landmesser]

10 hours ago, russ said:

The Magna Carta has nothing to do with Scotland. 

And it's also not remotely a constitution. But other than that, he was spot on

[Fxxx the SPFL]

10 hours ago, Jeffros Furios said:

Record them send it to Hearts and the Police and hopefully they get 10 years in jail and a lifetime ban from Tynecastle.

Hope your jesting very little chance of catching anything walking around christ we can sit in a pub/restaurant for hours on end hospital admissions dropping big style in Scotland and ICU 

[escobri]

Back to football and doesn't look like any restrictions at Lens v PSG, bouncing about like the old days 🤣

[The White Cockade]

The Magna Carta 🤣🤣🤣

[Nucky Thompson]

48 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

You can refuse service to anyone  without a reason.

 

No big business is going to refuse service to someone for not wearing a mask.

Maybe Elsie with the independent photo framing shop in the high street would if she wants to prove a point

[Jambo 4 Ever]

27 minutes ago, jonesy said:

Why? Do you not trust those who declare themselves exempt?

Ofcourse not

do you?

[Bazzas right boot]

11 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

No big business is going to refuse service to someone for not wearing a mask.

Maybe Elsie with the independent photo framing shop in the high street would if she wants to prove a point

 

Not my point, you can refuse service, you don't have to give a reason, you can refuse access to your premises .

You can if you want to.

 

I

 

[Nucky Thompson]

53 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Not my point, you can refuse service, you don't have to give a reason, you can refuse access to your premises .

You can if you want to.

 

I

 

You can, but in doing so you can open yourself up to legal ramifications 

[Bazzas right boot]

1 hour ago, Nucky Thompson said:

You can, but in doing so you can open yourself up to legal ramifications 

 

Yes and no.

Very unlikely tbh.

 

It's contract law- offer acceptance etc.

 

You are under no obligation to accept contract.

 

For example, you can let a person onto your shop but refuse to serve them.

If they then steal they are breaking the law.

You are under no obligation to serve them.

The police will be on your side.

The law is on your side.

 

In terms of premises it is a bit more grey, but you can say to someone you are free to be here but we will not serve you.

Once you establish that you can then ask , why are you here?

You can then phone the police to remove them.

 

It's really easy tbh.

 

Done it lots.

 

In terms of covid.

 

Under the umbrella  H&S act all employers have a duty of care to their employees.

 

Any covid rules followed by staff and enforced by an employer will be backed up by that act. Especially when issued by the government.

 

In fact, any employer that values it's employees will back up their employees on this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by Smith's right boot

[Pasquale for King]

7 hours ago, Wee Mikey said:

 

I toiled with that conundrum last time but resolved it with the logic that they buy an ends-worth of tickets from us, so it evens out. Having said that, 2 x £34 hurts, but is instantly forgotten when we're still singing to their thousands of empty seats a mere minute or so after full-time (mind you, it's difficult to tell when this photo was taken as they traditionally dress up as seats):-

 

 

Yeah that looked like a great night to be there, I used to get a student ticket for a good few years, no skin of our TO staffs nose 😆. 
I hadn’t seen us win for a few games there and we are unbeaten since I’ve not been so I think I will keep that up 😂. 

[Pasquale for King]

Usual social distancing at ER it seems 😆. 

[luckydug]

10 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said:

Providers of services can't refuse service for non mask wearing, it's disability discrimination

The reason we find it difficult to enforce restrictions in this country. 

Everyone cares about their rights but not all care about their responsibilities. 

 

[Pasquale for King]

13 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

You can refuse service to anyone  without a reason.

 

You can but you can’t discriminate against people, which you would be if it was not for wearing a mask. 

[Hmfc1965]

13 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

You can refuse service to anyone  without a reason.

 

Not for a discriminatory reason you can't. 

[Bazzas right boot]

24 minutes ago, Hmfc1965 said:

Not for a discriminatory reason you can't. 

 

You can refuse service WITHOUT giving a reason. 

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by Smith's right boot

[Bull's-eye]

Hospitals I work in are still very low or empty with Covid patients.

 

Don't think I'll start worrying just yet.

[Bazzas right boot]

20 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said:

You can but you can’t discriminate against people, which you would be if it was not for wearing a mask. 

 

Wearing a mask or not is not a protected characteristic. 

 

And again, you do not need to give a reason. 

If you do not give a reason then you are not discriminating. 

 

The key thing is you do not need to give a reason. 

I understand the difficulties in this but you could stick bouncers on the door of any premises and refuse access. 

If they have access you can refuse to serve them. 

 

You do not have to say anything other than "I'm not serving you" or "I'm not letting you in". 

 

Pubs and clubs do it all the time. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bazzas right boot]

Just now, Bull's-eye said:

Hospitals I work in are still very low or empty with Covid patients.

 

Don't think I'll start worrying just yet.

 

Good to know. 

 

But my father in law was in hospital with a suspected stroke and waited a full day for a ward as they had no space in the wards. 

 

He went in on thur, got moved to a ward Fri afternoon. 

Wards were full on thur. 

 

 

[Bull's-eye]

1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Good to know. 

 

But my father in law was in hospital with a suspected stroke and waited a full day for a ward as they had no space in the wards. 

 

He went in on thur, got moved to a ward Fri afternoon. 

Wards were full on thur. 

 

 

 

Hospitals are normally stretched at this time of year anyway. I've not heard of any hospitals in the UK at breaking point full of covid sufferers though. Not that I pay much attention to the on the job gossip.

[Bazzas right boot]

1 minute ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

Hospitals are normally stretched at this time of year anyway. I've not heard of any hospitals in the UK at breaking point full of covid sufferers though. Not that I pay much attention to the on the job gossip.

👍

 

Me neither, but waa surprised on tur that there was no space in the wards Tbh. 

 

 

[Bull's-eye]

4 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

👍

 

Me neither, but waa surprised on tur that there was no space in the wards Tbh. 

 

 

 

The backlog of ops put off while keeping wards empty has caused that mate.

Hope your Father in law is ok.

[Hmfc1965]

45 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

You can refuse service WITHOUT giving a reason. 

 

 

 

You can but if it's challenged on the basis the policy discriminates against disabled people you'd have to justify it.

On your reasoning I could run a shop which refused to serve blacks.

[The Mercer Takeover]

On 04/12/2021 at 10:42, Jambo 4 Ever said:

People should wear masks when moving about the stadium - Scott Wilson says the message to do this yet hardly anyone does it - not good enough and only ourselves to blame if restrictions increase 

Unlike other parts of the UK, Scotland has mandated mask wearing right through and this made absolutely no difference to the numbers of Covid cases in comparison.

 

Australia locked down the whole country almost right through. In fact they turned it into the world's largest prison. Their Covid rate is now out of control. You canv delay it, but you can't stop it.

 

Vaccine passports have achieved absolutely nothing.

 

Football must go on and the gradual creep of more and more Scottish only restrictions, should be fought strongly.

 

[davemclaren]

3 minutes ago, The Mercer Takeover said:

Unlike other parts of the UK, Scotland has mandated mask wearing right through and this made absolutely no difference to the numbers of Covid cases in comparison.

 

Australia locked down the whole country almost right through. In fact they turned it into the world's largest prison. Their Covid rate is now out of control. You canv delay it, but you can't stop it.

 

Vaccine passports have achieved absolutely nothing.

 

Football must go on and the gradual creep of more and more Scottish only restrictions, should be fought strongly.

 

To be fair the only creep of restrictions recently has been in England. 

[Hesh]

On 04/12/2021 at 09:45, Wee Mikey said:

I have a bad feeling about this. If fan restrictions are being re-introduced there, then it seems like only a matter of time:-

 

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/59510506

you can choose to have a bad feeling or choose not to. I try not to worry about things I have no control over 

[Wee Mikey]

1 minute ago, Hesh said:

you can choose to have a bad feeling or choose not to. I try not to worry about things I have no control over 

 

I don't worry about anything, thanks. "Stress-free living" is one of my mantras.

[Bazzas right boot]

48 minutes ago, Bull's-eye said:

 

The backlog of ops put off while keeping wards empty has caused that mate.

Hope your Father in law is ok.

 

Cheers and cheers. 

Mother in law been with us for 3 days and counting now 😭😭

[Bazzas right boot]

2 minutes ago, Wee Mikey said:

 

I don't worry about anything, thanks. "Stress-free living" is one of my mantras.

 

😂😂😂👍

[Bazzas right boot]

23 minutes ago, Hmfc1965 said:

You can but if it's challenged on the basis the policy discriminates against disabled people you'd have to justify it.

On your reasoning I could run a shop which refused to serve blacks.

 

You could. 

 

The mask wearing doesn't discriminate against disabled people either.  There is clearly an exception within the guidance. 

 

You can refuse access or service to anyone. 

 

If you refused access to all disabled folk and/or all black folk you may find yourself in bother at some

point, but you can refuse service to anyone. 

 

A simple fact that the anti maskers and anti covid folk don't like is that although no one can force them to be vaccinated and wear masks business and services are also free to refuse serving them. 

It is their right. 

That freedom works both ways and any employer protecting it's staff is not only within it's right it is also quite well protected by law. 

 

No hypothetical situations or cries of discrimination will change that. 

 

Shed topic territory now, but any business, including a football club can refuse access without giving a reason. 

 

 

 

 

[Hmfc1965]

19 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

You could. 

 

The mask wearing doesn't discriminate against disabled people either.  There is clearly an exception within the guidance. 

 

You can refuse access or service to anyone. 

 

If you refused access to all disabled folk and/or all black folk you may find yourself in bother at some

point, but you can refuse service to anyone. 

 

A simple fact that the anti maskers and anti covid folk don't like is that although no one can force them to be vaccinated and wear masks business and services are also free to refuse serving them. 

It is their right. 

That freedom works both ways and any employer protecting it's staff is not only within it's right it is also quite well protected by law. 

 

No hypothetical situations or cries of discrimination will change that. 

 

Shed topic territory now, but any business, including a football club can refuse access without giving a reason. 

 

 

 

 

 

Absolutely requiring a mask does discriminate against disabled people. 

[Bazzas right boot]

Just now, Hmfc1965 said:

Absolutely requiring a mask does discriminate against disabled people. 

 

No one is doing that or will do that tho. 

 

You can refuse service to anyone WITHOUT giving a reason. 

 

 

 

[Hmfc1965]

1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

No one is doing that or will do that tho. 

 

You can refuse service to anyone WITHOUT giving a reason. 

 

 

 

Not for the first time with your arguments I'm getting lost.

If you're refusing service to anyone not wearing a mask without further enquiry,  as you say they are entitled to do, that is an absolute rule.

[Bazzas right boot]

1 minute ago, Hmfc1965 said:

Not for the first time with your arguments I'm getting lost.

If you're refusing service to anyone not wearing a mask without further enquiry,  as you say they are entitled to do, that is an absolute rule.

 

 

Glad you agree and got there eventually. 

 

 

[Hmfc1965]

Just now, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Glad you agree and got there eventually. 

 

 

I might if I could fathom what you're slavering about. 

[The Mercer Takeover]

18 hours ago, Jambo 4 Ever said:

That’s the problem

we should have a system where you need evidence of being exempt 

 

 

Just walked through the shopping centre at Livi, before the game.

 

Few things evident. The only people not wearing masks seem to be, school age kids, young kids and young adults who think they are too important to wear masks.

 

Everyone who is, or about to be triple vaxxed, seems to be wearing them.

 

So who are the people actually doing the spreading:

 

Youngsters, few of whom are vaccinated, as it is rampant in schools. And you young adults, who do most of the mixing.

 

Masks don't stop you catching this, so the wrong people are being forced to wear them. 

 

Until we deal with the people doing the spreading, we are wasting our time.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by The Mercer Takeover

[avhudtheteeshirt]

From what I seen of yesterdays game, the Hobo's have started the 50% cut in crowds already!

Maybe it the close proximity of Holyrood, or just the fact they are S**T!!!

[Jambo 4 Ever]

1 hour ago, The Mercer Takeover said:

 

 

Just walked through the shopping centre at Livi, before the game.

 

Few things evident. The only people not wearing masks seem to be, school age kids, young kids and young adults who think they are too important to wear masks.

 

Everyone who is, or about to be triple vaxxed, seems to be wearing them.

 

So who are the people actually doing the spreading:

 

Youngsters, few of whom are vaccinated, as it is rampant in schools. And you young adults, who do most of the mixing.

 

Masks don't stop you catching this, so the wrong people are being forced to wear them. 

 

Until we deal with the people doing the spreading, we are wasting our time.

 

 

 

 

 

Too many at places like tynecastle don’t wear masks though 

[HMFC01]

I wonder if the lack of fans has contributed to Monchengladbach losing 0-6  in the first half to Freiburg.    I've never seen a first half result as bad in the German top league. 

[leginten]

2 minutes ago, HMFC01 said:

I wonder if the lack of fans has contributed to Monchengladbach losing 0-6  in the first half to Freiburg.    I've never seen a first half result as bad in the German top league. 

It is an incredible scoreline. It was 0-5 after 24 minutes. Gladbach fans will not be best pleased - they also recently got stuffed in the derby against Köln, a fixture they habitually dominate. Crazy season for Gladbach - I think they also beat Bayern 5-0 in the cup.

[Wee Mikey]

Meanwhile, anyone wanna know what an ignorant bassa looks like? The very sort of person who'll jeapordise matches?

 

A pig-ignorant male adult on the #10 bus.

 

 

[The Gorgie]

7 minutes ago, Wee Mikey said:

Meanwhile, anyone wanna know what an ignorant bassa looks like? The very sort of person who'll jeapordise matches?

 

A pig-ignorant male adult on the #10 bus.

 

 

Bet you said **** all to him.

[escobri]

11 minutes ago, Wee Mikey said:

Meanwhile, anyone wanna know what an ignorant bassa looks like? The very sort of person who'll jeapordise matches?

 

A pig-ignorant male adult on the #10 bus.

 

 

Yip, should never have your feet on someone's seat, man's a disgrace 

[Wee Mikey]

18 minutes ago, Sir Craig Gordon said:

Bet you said **** all to him.

 

I did ... mask then on ... but feet still up.

[The Gorgie]

22 minutes ago, Wee Mikey said:

 

I did ... mask then on ... but feet still up.

Fair enough.

[Irufushi]

1 hour ago, Wee Mikey said:

Meanwhile, anyone wanna know what an ignorant bassa looks like? The very sort of person who'll jeapordise matches?

 

A pig-ignorant male adult on the #10 bus.

 

 

Wee mikey the grass.