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15 hours ago, davemclaren said:

So they should have a plan now for the next major construction project in 30 years time? We are still paying off debts accrued over the last few seasons and haven’t even completed the current main stand. 
 

We won’t be requiring much, if any, more than our current capacity for a while, if ever. 


Exactly Dave - some letting their imaginations run away with them.

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5 hours ago, Section Q said:

We don't even have decent pies.... anyone know who supplies them.....?


Get Bain’s pies…..

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5 hours ago, Section Q said:

We don't even have decent pies.... anyone know who supplies them.....?

I don’t have a pie very often but, when I do, I think they are decent. Overpriced, but that’s football catering. I miss the curry shed though. 

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Took these pictures of the escalators on my Stadium tour (you can see the under side of the one up to the second floor). I can't remember exactly where they start from at ground level but it's definitely not from the main reception area ( the lift is there). The escalators are over towards the north side of the main stand. 

 

I suppose the advantage of this will be a direct link up to the second floor without going through main reception. Handy if we are developing hotel type facilities up there. 

 

Will be interesting to see the plans. Hospitality space with bedroom facilities could be pretty effective for weddings etc. A potential nice little earner.

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14 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

I don’t have a pie very often but, when I do, I think they are decent. Overpriced, but that’s football catering. I miss the curry shed though. 

Stopped buying food at the football years ago over priced crap. Maybe the odd coffee or bovril I'll take.

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2 minutes ago, stuart500 said:

Took these pictures of the escalators on my Stadium tour (you can see the under side of the one up to the second floor). I can't remember exactly where they start from at ground level but it's definitely not from the main reception area ( the lift is there). The escalators are over towards the north side of the main stand. 

 

I suppose the advantage of this will be a direct link up to the second floor without going through main reception. Handy if we are developing hotel type facilities up there. 

 

Will be interesting to see the plans. Hospitality space with bedroom facilities could be pretty effective for weddings etc. A potential nice little earner.

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Is that another elevator above too ? How many do we have in total never seen them before looks class. 

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14 minutes ago, Stu_HMFC said:

Is that another elevator above too ? How many do we have in total never seen them before looks class. 

Yes there's one from ground to first and one from first to second. 

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Would be great if the club did some work in the concourse - tv’s so not missing the game, bar if the rules were changed and would great if they set up food stall areas which they could rent out to a revolving series of street food vendors. Club still gets money from the rent and we get a selection of tasty wraps and gourmet burgers as another option over and above the standard club pies.

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1 hour ago, Thomaso said:


 

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Wow! That's a superb juxtaposition of old vis-a-vis new. 👍

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1 hour ago, Thomaso said:


Get Bain’s pies…..

 

Well, that's precisely what I did during 'lockdown' when we had to watch streams. That plus a few bottles of 'Old Jock'. It helped make the stay-at-home matchday experience more bearable. I dunno if Bain's could up their output sufficiently, but maybe Hearts could figure out an on-site facility for them. For sure, we'd then have the bestest pies! Unlike the supposedly legendary 'Killie Pies' which, at the last two away fixtures, were gash ... all rock-hard pastry and indigestible bits of meat not fit for a dug. 🤮

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6 minutes ago, Wee Mikey said:

 

Well, that's precisely what I did during 'lockdown' when we had to watch streams. That plus a few bottles of 'Old Jock'. It helped make the stay-at-home matchday experience more bearable. I dunno if Bain's could up their output sufficiently, but maybe Hearts could figure out an on-site facility for them. For sure, we'd then have the bestest pies! Unlike the supposedly legendary 'Killie Pies' which, at the last two away fixtures, were gash ... all rock-hard pastry and indigestible bits of meat not fit for a dug. 🤮

Bain’s pies are delicious but big potential of a few facial burns I reckon. 😄

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18 hours ago, Jambo-Fox said:

 

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Oops! Here are both of the aeral photos for comparison. Thanks to @Jambo-Fox and @Thomaso for these pics. 👍👍👍

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On 11/01/2022 at 09:03, davemclaren said:

I imagine they discussed it when the built the new main stand and came to the conclusion that it will likely see us through the next few decades. 

 

17 hours ago, Hearts_fan said:

 

Even if that is true, we're half a decade into that already.

 

A question in many folks' minds is: is "seeing us through" enough?

 

If this season ends well and we get into Europe, I suspect next season could even bring 10 matches in which we could sell more tickets than we have seats. There are at least 6 of those every season in any case, and there are 24 more seasons like that before the hypothetical  "few decades" is up.

 

The ability to plan multiple things simultaneously is a trait that probably marks out winners from losers. If the Club can't forward-plan to sell more tickets while also building a strong team, then we'll forever be the 3rd force at best and won't have a chance of being anything better.

 

The ridiculous notion that raises its head on here in debates such as this that the Club shouldn't be thinking about stadium expansion until the day we need it ... it is actually an embarrassing lack of forethought and ambition.

 

17 hours ago, davemclaren said:

So they should have a plan now for the next major construction project in 30 years time? We are still paying off debts accrued over the last few seasons and haven’t even completed the current main stand. 
 

We won’t be requiring much, if any, more than our current capacity for a while, if ever. 

 

I didn't say the next major construction project should be in 30 years time. It was you that suggested the Board probably had a let's-wait-30-years-before-any-more-expansions plan.

 

In any case that mythical 30 years is now 25 years away.

 

It's your option that we won't require a greater capacity, yet many on here say we would need the extra capacity if we are ever to compete enough financially to win the league.

 

You are right though, we aren't obliged to expand the stadium. We are entitled to remain serial runners up forever.

 

I don't work in finance, but even I understand that you can borrow money to invest and that you can create new ways of raising money for investment. 

 

I'm glad we've got people running the Club who can think about different kinds of investments and strategies at the same time. 

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4 minutes ago, Hearts_fan said:

 

 

 

I didn't say the next major construction project should be in 30 years time. It was you that suggested the Board probably had a let's-wait-30-years-before-any-more-expansions plan.

 

In any case that mythical 30 years is now 25 years away.

 

It's your option that we won't require a greater capacity, yet many on here say we would need the extra capacity if we are ever to compete enough financially to win the league.

 

You are right though, we aren't obliged to expand the stadium. We are entitled to remain serial runners up forever.

 

I don't work in finance, but even I understand that you can borrow money to invest and that you can create new ways of raising money for investment. 

 

I'm glad we've got people running the Club who can think about different kinds of investments and strategies at the same time. 

Indeed, let’s see what they do about the stadium then. 

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21 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Bain’s pies are delicious but big potential of a few facial burns I reckon. 😄


I have those burns!! 😳

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17 minutes ago, davemclaren said:

Bain’s pies are delicious but big potential of a few facial burns I reckon. 😄

 

What about the almost volcanic temperature of Bovril? We cannae even bring a plastic bottle of water and yet serve up something which, if chucked onto the pitch could easily scar for life. Mind you, if it drenched Broonaldo then it might enhance his movie-star good looks. 🤭

 

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4 hours ago, stuart500 said:

Took these pictures of the escalators on my Stadium tour (you can see the under side of the one up to the second floor). I can't remember exactly where they start from at ground level but it's definitely not from the main reception area ( the lift is there). The escalators are over towards the north side of the main stand. 

 

I suppose the advantage of this will be a direct link up to the second floor without going through main reception. Handy if we are developing hotel type facilities up there. 

 

Will be interesting to see the plans. Hospitality space with bedroom facilities could be pretty effective for weddings etc. A potential nice little earner.

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I like that…..my first go will be taking as long as I can 😁

 

 

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4 hours ago, Arfur said:

Would be great if the club did some work in the concourse - tv’s so not missing the game, bar if the rules were changed and would great if they set up food stall areas which they could rent out to a revolving series of street food vendors. Club still gets money from the rent and we get a selection of tasty wraps and gourmet burgers as another option over and above the standard club pies.

Alas that would not work.
 

The only money to be made in outside catering is when one company hoovers up the whole operation.  I used to work for myself at catering events selling baked potatoes freshly cooked from an industrial/portable oven with homemade fillings, I also did stovies/pulled pork and apple rolls and, wild boar jumbo hotdogs……I can assure you all my food was the best (or almost the best) at the events I attended, which were mainly Highland games, horse shows during the summer etc……..

 

No matter the quality of my food, I had nowhere near the footfall a of basic burger van with their chips/curry sauce.  Also, a very important point is the selling “window of opportunity” at a football match, a little before the game, picking up as punters arrive just before the game, a small trickle throughout the match, a mad half time rush that would be overwhelming for a small caterer* nothing really at the end.  

Working flat out alone let’s say serving 1 punter every 30 seconds, that’s 60 punters over half time.  Let’s say we doubled that over the whole match to 120 punters each portion of food at say £6 (quite pricy I hear you say) so, over the day £720.  Hearts taking probably £200 for the stall.  Take off stock, preparation and clean down which is 1 day cooking before hand, the day setting up and working then, 1 day after cleaning down so 3 days work………did this for 7 year then quit…..received many many positive statements about the quality of my food.

 

On my journey I’ve seen loads of high end street food vendors with “something different” loads of their food was absolutely brilliant but, most fold due to the high volume, cheap food that the burger vans put out.  Ok many of them have fancy stand out graphics on their vans and works like “gourmet/prime/Aberdeen Angus/steak” appear in many parts of their menu, along with chips/cheese/curry sauce/gravy etc………

 

I’m not bitter honest 😂😂


* hire more staff to deal with a 15 minute rush?  Nah not worth the cost.

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1 minute ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Alas that would not work.
 

The only money to be made in outside catering is when one company hoovers up the whole operation.  I used to work for myself at catering events selling baked potatoes freshly cooked from an industrial/portable oven with homemade fillings, I also did stovies/pulled pork and apple rolls and, wild boar jumbo hotdogs……I can assure you all my food was the best (or almost the best) at the events I attended, which were mainly Highland games, horse shows during the summer etc……..

 

No matter the quality of my food, I had nowhere near the footfall a of basic burger van with their chips/curry sauce.  Also, a very important point is the selling “window of opportunity” at a football match, a little before the game, picking up as punters arrive just before the game, a small trickle throughout the match, a mad half time rush that would be overwhelming for a small caterer* nothing really at the end.  

Working flat out alone let’s say serving 1 punter every 30 seconds, that’s 60 punters over half time.  Let’s say we doubled that over the whole match to 120 punters each portion of food at say £6 (quite pricy I hear you say) so, over the day £720.  Hearts taking probably £200 for the stall.  Take off stock, preparation and clean down which is 1 day cooking before hand, the day setting up and working then, 1 day after cleaning down so 3 days work………did this for 7 year then quit…..received many many positive statements about the quality of my food.

 

On my journey I’ve seen loads of high end street food vendors with “something different” loads of their food was absolutely brilliant but, most fold due to the high volume, cheap food that the burger vans put out.  Ok many of them have fancy stand out graphics on their vans and works like “gourmet/prime/Aberdeen Angus/steak” appear in many parts of their menu, along with chips/cheese/curry sauce/gravy etc………

 

I’m not bitter honest 😂😂


* hire more staff to deal with a 15 minute rush?  Nah not worth the cost.

Good post highlighting the challenges. Pile it high and sell it High fast works best at football. I should have added charge high as well. 

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19 hours ago, Wee Mikey said:

Thinking outside the box ...

 

With the advancement of technology, by the time we need a new stadium we could build a replica Tynecastle on a greenfield site and project the game live using holograms ... for away fans and out of towners; the original Tynecastle being reserved for and filled with Jambos.

 

We've already played a hologram so nae chance of Hibs ever claiming it as a(nother) 1st.

 

You jest, but it's true. 

 

Vr is the way. 

 

You'll be able to buy a  virtual ticket and with Vr you'll be transported to the event. 

 

This could done with the hire of a hall or theatre so you Can have a drink, eat, chat and then put on your Vr goggles to be at the event. 

 

What you propose will happen 100%.

 

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I've just read this whole thread

14 pages of speculation, day dreaming and naysaying, yet not one of you has suggested a sliding roof

What is wrong with you people?

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19 hours ago, Wee Mikey said:

Thinking outside the box ...

 

With the advancement of technology, by the time we need a new stadium we could build a replica Tynecastle on a greenfield site and project the game live using holograms ... for away fans and out of towners; the original Tynecastle being reserved for and filled with Jambos.

 

We've already played a hologram so nae chance of Hibs ever claiming it as a(nother) 1st.

Pretty sure Japan said they'd project some world cup games, using holograms, at some of the competing teams home stadiums if they win the bid for the last one. 

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4 minutes ago, topcat said:

I've just read this whole thread

14 pages of speculation, day dreaming and naysaying and not one of you has suggested a sliding roof

What is wrong with you people?

 

Good thinking. 👍

 

We could extend the floodlight pylons as supports for a sliding roof, utilise cantilevers and suchlike to support the existing stand roofs, stick 2 big screens at the Gorgie corners plus one at the Wheatfield/School corner and fill in the Main stand/School End corner with seats to be sold to away fans as 'restricted view'.

 

We get 20,000 home fans in a unique stadium, and all paid for via FOH contributions. 😆

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3 minutes ago, Norm said:

Pretty sure Japan said they'd project some world cup games, using holograms, at some of the competing teams home stadiums if they win the bid for the last one. 

 

Really? These days nothing would surprise me. How much has been spent on a 'traditional' World Cup in Qatar? 😕 

 

As long as they set up a live audio beam-back to the host stadium so that the fans' cheering & booing could be heard then that would be, if not a perfect solution, one way of cutting down on unnecessary international travel etc.

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7 hours ago, Thomaso said:


Get Bain’s pies…..

 

An improvement that would get universal backing :D 

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9 hours ago, Thomaso said:


Exactly Dave - some letting their imaginations run away with them.

 

Most depressing post of the year so far.

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3 hours ago, highlandjambo3 said:

Alas that would not work.
 

The only money to be made in outside catering is when one company hoovers up the whole operation.  I used to work for myself at catering events selling baked potatoes freshly cooked from an industrial/portable oven with homemade fillings, I also did stovies/pulled pork and apple rolls and, wild boar jumbo hotdogs……I can assure you all my food was the best (or almost the best) at the events I attended, which were mainly Highland games, horse shows during the summer etc……..

 

No matter the quality of my food, I had nowhere near the footfall a of basic burger van with their chips/curry sauce.  Also, a very important point is the selling “window of opportunity” at a football match, a little before the game, picking up as punters arrive just before the game, a small trickle throughout the match, a mad half time rush that would be overwhelming for a small caterer* nothing really at the end.  

Working flat out alone let’s say serving 1 punter every 30 seconds, that’s 60 punters over half time.  Let’s say we doubled that over the whole match to 120 punters each portion of food at say £6 (quite pricy I hear you say) so, over the day £720.  Hearts taking probably £200 for the stall.  Take off stock, preparation and clean down which is 1 day cooking before hand, the day setting up and working then, 1 day after cleaning down so 3 days work………did this for 7 year then quit…..received many many positive statements about the quality of my food.

 

On my journey I’ve seen loads of high end street food vendors with “something different” loads of their food was absolutely brilliant but, most fold due to the high volume, cheap food that the burger vans put out.  Ok many of them have fancy stand out graphics on their vans and works like “gourmet/prime/Aberdeen Angus/steak” appear in many parts of their menu, along with chips/cheese/curry sauce/gravy etc………

 

I’m not bitter honest 😂😂


* hire more staff to deal with a 15 minute rush?  Nah not worth the cost.

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10 minutes ago, Hearts_fan said:

 

Most depressing post of the year so far.


Huh?

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9 hours ago, Thomaso said:


 

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Imagine the corners filled in! :robboyas:

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sassenach
2 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

You jest, but it's true. 

 

Vr is the way. 

 

You'll be able to buy a  virtual ticket and with Vr you'll be transported to the event. 

 

This could done with the hire of a hall or theatre so you Can have a drink, eat, chat and then put on your Vr goggles to be at the event. 

 

What you propose will happen 100%.

 

 

But how will I get virtual Diggers Heavy in my living room?

 

Edit - I missed the bit about a hall etc.  Still not the same though.  The actual game is only part of the day out.

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12 minutes ago, sassenach said:

 

But how will I get virtual Diggers Heavy in my living room?

 

Edit - I missed the bit about a hall etc.  Still not the same though.  The actual game is only part of the day out.

 

There will Be folk in Japan enjoying the Tynecastle derby experience  experience without even  moving.

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2 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

There will Be folk in Japan enjoying the Tynecastle derby experience  experience without even  moving.

 

I get where you're coming from, but generally speaking we become fans of our local clubs by being taken to games as kids.  If things become too virtual the local aspect disappears.  People will just want to watch the bigger teams, regardless of where they are based.

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On 11/01/2022 at 19:56, Led Tasso said:

 

By giving up nothing but some parking and part of the community pitch, there is enough room back there to, figuratively, pick up the Bill Struth stand or the Celtic Park north stand and drop it in place.

 

NBDC has consistently said that they won't stand in the way of Hearts' expansion out of spite but that they would expect us to cover their costs to ameliorate the changes (both in property value and in moving hazardous materials further away from the stand). Those costs, combined with the fact that we obviously couldn't consistently fill that stand, make this an exercise in pure fantasy.

 

However, quantity of vacant ground is not the problem.

The Wheatfield holds a bit under 6k. There's enough room between it and Wheatfield Street to allow a stand that's a bit more than double the current size. Probably about 14k at most.  And that's if planning permission could even be obtained for something that big right across the street from the housing on the other side of it!  With clever design, you could possibly have a lower tier at a less steep angle, with a top tier as steep as the current stand, overhanging the back of the lower tier a bit, which would maybe allow you to squeeze in another thousand or two. You'd get about 16k at the very maximum from that.  Moot point, obviously, as you'd never get planning permission! 

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Just now, sassenach said:

 

I get where you're coming from, but generally speaking we become fans of our local clubs by being taken to games as kids.  If things become too virtual the local aspect disappears.  People will just want to watch the bigger teams, regardless of where they are based.

 

Agreed, it's going that way. 

Sky have been doing it for 3 decades, vr will just be an extension of that and make the experience even more real. 

 

I've seen it, it's pretty spooky Tbh. 

 

You can almost be transported right there, Vr ****s with your heed. You can get carried away even with limited technology. 

 

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12 hours ago, Wee Mikey said:

 

Well, that's precisely what I did during 'lockdown' when we had to watch streams. That plus a few bottles of 'Old Jock'. It helped make the stay-at-home matchday experience more bearable. I dunno if Bain's could up their output sufficiently, but maybe Hearts could figure out an on-site facility for them. For sure, we'd then have the bestest pies! Unlike the supposedly legendary 'Killie Pies' which, at the last two away fixtures, were gash ... all rock-hard pastry and indigestible bits of meat not fit for a dug. 🤮

IIRC, Killie changed their pie supplier (to a cheaper but inferior one) a few years ago. I'm sure there was talk of a legal battle between the club and the original supplier, as the club kept flogging the new pies under the name 'The Killie Pie' but the old supplier had actually trademarked it!  No idea how it ended up!

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2 hours ago, FarmerTweedy said:

The Wheatfield holds a bit under 6k. There's enough room between it and Wheatfield Street to allow a stand that's a bit more than double the current size. Probably about 14k at most.  And that's if planning permission could even be obtained for something that big right across the street from the housing on the other side of it!  With clever design, you could possibly have a lower tier at a less steep angle, with a top tier as steep as the current stand, overhanging the back of the lower tier a bit, which would maybe allow you to squeeze in another thousand or two. You'd get about 16k at the very maximum from that.  Moot point, obviously, as you'd never get planning permission! 

 

The last sentence being the critical one, although the housing is only across from a small section of the area that would be the stand. NBDC remains and in all likelihood will remain the limiting factor on capacity.

 

I was grandstanding (har har) about the 20k+ thing, but 16k is a fair enough estimate (I'd guess you'd get the max from a three tier design but whatever). Even so, a 16k Wheatfield would take Tynecastle to a very robust 30k seater stadium (and maybe with terracing if the UK ever revises its silly safe standing limits and adopts more continental-style limits).

 

Which just makes the point—space to build isn't the issue. It's the planning limits caused by being so close to NBDC. A fat enough check would likely solve those issues, but that check is too fat for us to consider writing any time soon.

 

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15 hours ago, OTT said:

 

An improvement that would get universal backing :D 

Bains pies although tasty are far to messy imo 

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23 hours ago, stuart500 said:

Took these pictures of the escalators on my Stadium tour (you can see the under side of the one up to the second floor). I can't remember exactly where they start from at ground level but it's definitely not from the main reception area ( the lift is there). The escalators are over towards the north side of the main stand. 

 

I suppose the advantage of this will be a direct link up to the second floor without going through main reception. Handy if we are developing hotel type facilities up there. 

 

Will be interesting to see the plans. Hospitality space with bedroom facilities could be pretty effective for weddings etc. A potential nice little earner.

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Is that just a guess 😉🤔

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sassenach
19 minutes ago, jamborich said:

Bains pies although tasty are far to messy imo 

 

My gravy-stained coat has been testimony to this.  And their paper bags aren't waxed so they disintegrate with gravy and rain 😟

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Bring back the flags of the players nationality's above the floodlights I'm sure we had this in the early 2000's 

 

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1 hour ago, jamborich said:

Bains pies although tasty are far to messy imo 


Yeah, that gravy is something else though 🤤

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16 hours ago, FarmerTweedy said:

The Wheatfield holds a bit under 6k. There's enough room between it and Wheatfield Street to allow a stand that's a bit more than double the current size. Probably about 14k at most.  And that's if planning permission could even be obtained for something that big right across the street from the housing on the other side of it!  With clever design, you could possibly have a lower tier at a less steep angle, with a top tier as steep as the current stand, overhanging the back of the lower tier a bit, which would maybe allow you to squeeze in another thousand or two. You'd get about 16k at the very maximum from that.  Moot point, obviously, as you'd never get planning permission! 

I don't accept that we wouldn't get planning permission for a bigger Wheatfield. It could depend on the facilities contained within the stand. 

 

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chrisyboy7

Its good to see this debate continue....It's Cleary important as the current capacity is too small to take the club forward,

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johnking123

The capacity is to small. As long as we continue to develop well as a football team. Getting into Europe and having a great next season will tell us a bit more.

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FarmerTweedy
37 minutes ago, Libertarian said:

I don't accept that we wouldn't get planning permission for a bigger Wheatfield. It could depend on the facilities contained within the stand. 

 

I think we might get pp for a (bit) bigger one, but 16k or anything close to that would tower over the tenements across the road and I think there'd be no chance of being allowed to build something that big! I could see 9 or 10k being an outside possibility, although possibly at the cost of being significantly less steeply banked than the current one, to keep the height closer to that of the existing stand. 

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I was wondering whether there would be scope to widen the pitch 1M at each side to bring us inline with some of the other SPL teams. Aberdeen, DU both have 66M wide pitches and I don't ever consider their pitches too tight.  Obviously when the team is playing well and the other team are not sitting in then we witness some great games but I firmly believe when the opponents are intent on a defensive formation (the majority) its a hard watch sometimes. 

 

When the time comes to develop the Wheatfield I'd imagine the club will take the opportunity to widen to the standard 68M anyway. 

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8 hours ago, sassenach said:

 

My gravy-stained coat has been testimony to this.  And their paper bags aren't waxed so they disintegrate with gravy and rain 😟


Never heard of a pelican bib?

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19 minutes ago, Thomaso said:


Never heard of a pelican bib?

Get Hearts badged ones in the Hearts Superstore, but not in my size it seems. 🧐

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