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If huns don't come up with acceptable offer, can we not loan him out? There will be plenty of teams who would want him for 6 months.

The accepting club pay his wages or part if they can't afford all.

If he refuses to go, he is told he won't play again thus season and he can forget about playing for Scotland.

He would go and it would release a wage.

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Morgaro Gomis
1 hour ago, Tenor said:

Souttar is a professional footballer. He’s not a Hearts fan.

Thanks to his injuries, he knows he has a very limited shelf life.

A bigger and better team has offered him far more money than we can afford.

Not only will playing with Rangers give him and his family more financial security, but it will provide him with better career opportunities.

Any negative comments towards him is completely unnecessary.


Wow. You’re everything that’s wrong with Scottish football summed up in one post.

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5 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

The end of last season saw Souttar just coming back from injury. At that time, he hadn't proved fitness. Now, some would say he could have signed year extension to thank Hearts for covering him missing almost 2 years of his stay.

Instead, he threw the support he has received from Hearts into the gutter and laughed at supporters.

He has confirmed rat like status at Tynecastle, and should be left in no doubt as to what supporters think of him, should he ever play for first team again.

 

Agree.

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2 minutes ago, lost in space said:

If huns don't come up with acceptable offer, can we not loan him out? There will be plenty of teams who would want him for 6 months.

The accepting club pay his wages or part if they can't afford all.

If he refuses to go, he is told he won't play again thus season and he can forget about playing for Scotland.

He would go and it would release a wage.

 

Loan him to Celtic 🤣

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Pasquale for King
6 minutes ago, lost in space said:

If huns don't come up with acceptable offer, can we not loan him out? There will be plenty of teams who would want him for 6 months.

The accepting club pay his wages or part if they can't afford all.

If he refuses to go, he is told he won't play again thus season and he can forget about playing for Scotland.

He would go and it would release a wage.

Probably but I can’t see the club doing that, not good optics 🤦🏽

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Had a feeling this would happen. Noone wants to pay a fee because he's made of plasticine. Since he's moving to a rival i'd prefer not to see him play for us again. He can go to Ibrox and be Prodan mk2

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Drew Wallace

Sadly its a win win win for that shower,, sickens me 

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Section Q

Worth a punt.......?

 

""Defoe scored 32 times for the club despite making just 33 starts.""

Jermain Defoe has opened up on the reasons behind his Rangers exit after admitting he found it difficult to come to terms with a lack of game-time this season.

 

 

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/jermain-defoe-explains-rangers-exit-it-was-affecting-me-i-was-bringing-it-home-3528693

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Never got the hype about Souttar..better business getting Gordon, Halkett, Kingsley & Smith on new deals 🇱🇻 Would rather we dont see Souttar again. Bye

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Heartsofgold
4 hours ago, soonbe110 said:

So, if that’s their best offer what should we do? 

Keep him but never play him

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39 minutes ago, Morgaro Gomis said:


Wow. You’re everything that’s wrong with Scottish football summed up in one post.

BOOM!!!

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cosanostra

Jake Hastie was pretty good when he was younger. What's happened to him? I remember the game at Motherwell when he scored against us and looked like an outstanding prospect.

 

Overall, the window has been quite positive and we should remain upbeat. Souttar has really ****ed the club with this one and made it as hard as possible to recoup some sort of decent fee. Just need to see how that one plays out.

 

We really need to focus on bringing in a striker and a centre half and quickly. If we can get JS out and those two players in key positions in, we can go hard for the run in and make this a memorable season.

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4 minutes ago, cosanostra said:

Jake Hastie was pretty good when he was younger. What's happened to him? I remember the game at Motherwell when he scored against us and looked like an outstanding prospect.

 

Overall, the window has been quite positive and we should remain upbeat. Souttar has really ****ed the club with this one and made it as hard as possible to recoup some sort of decent fee. Just need to see how that one plays out.

 

We really need to focus on bringing in a striker and a centre half and quickly. If we can get JS out and those two players in key positions in, we can go hard for the run in and make this a memorable season.

Ruined by Rangers. Sitting in their reserves and being loaned to lower leagues has completely stifled his development. The laddie was flying at Motherwell and looked a real prospect. Had he stayed there and cracked on another season or two playing regularly in the Prem, who knows what could have happened. Instead Rangers did what Rangers do with other teams' promising youngsters. They don't play them, loan them out, and ultimately release them. 

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cosanostra
3 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said:

Ruined by Rangers. Sitting in their reserves and being loaned to lower leagues has completely stifled his development. The laddie was flying at Motherwell and looked a real prospect. Had he stayed there and cracked on another season or two playing regularly in the Prem, who knows what could have happened. Instead Rangers did what Rangers do with other teams' promising youngsters. They don't play them, loan them out, and ultimately release them. 

 

Salvageable or terminally ruined?

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Just now, cosanostra said:

Jake Hastie was pretty good when he was younger. What's happened to him? I remember the game at Motherwell when he scored against us and looked like an outstanding prospect.

 

Overall, the window has been quite positive and we should remain upbeat. Souttar has really ****ed the club with this one and made it as hard as possible to recoup some sort of decent fee. Just need to see how that one plays out.

 

We really need to focus on bringing in a striker and a centre half and quickly. If we can get JS out and those two players in key positions in, we can go hard for the run in and make this a memorable season.

We should try and get him back to his best, think the lad given the right manager and team could do well. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

We should try and get him back to his best, think the lad given the right manager and team could do well. 

 

 

 

His loan at Partick Thistle didn't get extended because he couldn't break into the starting eleven.

 

No thanks.

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cosanostra
3 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said:

 

His loan at Partick Thistle didn't get extended because he couldn't break into the starting eleven.

 

No thanks.

 

He must have really fallen apart.

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jambo2524

Hearts were in an unusual position on offering Souttar a new contract given the uncertainty surrounding his fitness when coming back from injury.

That  left the player with all the power regards his next contract /pre contract.

Souttar will always do the best for himself and his family.

Hearts negotiating power only surrounds the next 5 months whilst Souttar is contracted to Hearts.

 

There are two negotiation positions.

We make it clear to the player that unless we receive an acceptable fee of say £500k and a 10% fee on next transfer he will not play for the Club again.

When Souttar and new club are negotiating Souttar then must convince the new Club to pay that fee. Or he takes the risk of no football dropping out Scotland squad etc.

The second value in the negotiation is understanding how our stance will affect future similar negotiations. Players whilst negotiating with new Clubs will know the consequences of accepting a pre contract that is not favourable to  Hearts FC. Once that is understood every future negotiation becomes far easier.

We need to take a hard stance the fans will back that position and we move on and we prosper.

if our policy is to sign ‘starters’ one by one we improve our team and our bench becomes a place for previous starters.

HHGH

 

 

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Bongo 1874
Just now, cosanostra said:

 

He must have really fallen apart.

In the same way Beni was at Everton, Moore at Bristol City, Ginnelly at Preston 🤔😳

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It's a credit to the work done by Savage that I am not too worried about losing Souttar. Yes it hurts to lose a starting caliber CB, especially to Rangers but I suspect whoever we bring in will be a far better player for us. Onwards and upwards!

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cosanostra
8 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

In the same way Beni was at Everton, Moore at Bristol City, Ginnelly at Preston 🤔😳

 

Beni had disastrous loan spells at 3rd rate Scottish lower league clubs?

 

Edit - just looked at wiki and it reckons Beni had two loan spells and only played 3 games over two loans. I guess that's a lot like Jake Hastie. I wonder what went wrong.

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Monte Carlo.

 

He plays somewhere in the South of France.

 

 

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Bongo 1874
Just now, cosanostra said:

 

Beni had disastrous loan spells at 3rd rate Scottish lower league clubs?

 

Edit - just looked at wiki and it reckons Beni had two loan spells and only played 3 games over two loans. I guess that's a lot like Jake Hastie. I wonder what went wrong.

Everyone is just mad, because Souttar has left Hastie has potential it's getting it out of him, did Halkett not get dropped from Rangers? 

 

Yet look at how he has improved at us? 

 

Reality of it is, we don't pay enough yet to hold onto players like Celtic and Rangers do, but even at that Rangers and Celtic still will lose players, what do they try to do though that's different? Secure fees for players, now imagine what Hearts could do with £12mil upfront and £4mil in add ons. 

 

The only way to be on the same level is too pay more, or to secure more investment. 

 

Even at that every Scottish club is a selling club. 

 

The difference they very rarely lose a player that will benefit a direct rival, but you can pick up a few promising youngsters from them that will never get the chance to feature in first team. 

 

 

We need to grow as a club, some want it too soon, I'm prepared to wait we will have our time 👍 keep positive. 

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FarmerTweedy
7 hours ago, OTT said:

 

I don't agree with the first bit at all, but the bit in bold is spot on. We've been naive here and its caught us. The contract offer should have been made at the tail end of last season. If he rejected it, then he should have been punted over the summer with time on his deal. 

 

The club MUST get better at managing the contract situation of its key players. Its entirely possible Gordon, Halket and Kingsley decided on money moves instead and ran their deals down too. I do have confidence in Savage as he actually seems to run a professional outfit (unlike Levein). 

The bit in bold is just wrong. At the tail end of last season, he was only just starting his comeback from his last injury. Nobody knew if he'd come back OK, or be the same player as before. Offering him a lengthy new contract at that point would have been a huge gamble, and if he'd rejected it, there almost certainly wouldn't have been any clubs willing to pay much more than loose change to take him.

 

Also, with Kingsley and Halkett, it's only in the last few months that they've consistently shown the sort of form to actually merit being offered renewals. 

 

I'm not saying the club hasn't made mistakes handling contracts in the past, but it's not been the case here.

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15 minutes ago, FarmerTweedy said:

The bit in bold is just wrong. At the tail end of last season, he was only just starting his comeback from his last injury. Nobody knew if he'd come back OK, or be the same player as before. Offering him a lengthy new contract at that point would have been a huge gamble, and if he'd rejected it, there almost certainly wouldn't have been any clubs willing to pay much more than loose change to take him.

 

Also, with Kingsley and Halkett, it's only in the last few months that they've consistently shown the sort of form to actually merit being offered renewals. 

 

I'm not saying the club hasn't made mistakes handling contracts in the past, but it's not been the case here.

 

Disagree. He came back strong and we should've offered the contract. We were over cautious and it backfired. 

 

When you've watched hundreds of thousands of pounds (if not millions) over the last 8 years get pished up a wall signing a litany of utter shite such as Grzlak, Oshinawa, Martin, Sammon, Sowah, Damour, Whelan, Wighton, Frear, Halliday - I don't need to keep going right? We should have taken the gamble and got some form of extension sorted, if he wasn't willing to entertain it, then we should have got rid over the summer. 

 

I've made this point already, but every time a player signs a contract its a risk. They could get injured and never recover their form, they could be injury prone but come good - Sow, they could look great before but end up being shit - Wyness, it happens. In Snakey Souttars case he was a known quantity that came back played 5 games at the tailend of last season and looked rock solid in every single one. I distinctly recall folk mentioning it looked like he'd never been away. THAT was the time to get contract negotiations going. He'd done his recovery, he'd came back and slotted in seamlessly and only had 12 months left. 

 

His entire time with us, he's been the great white hope - the player we're going to sell for seven figures, Derby were going to pay north of £2m before he got injured etc. So to allow him to go into his final 12 months was naïve and we've completely worn the full cost of his fitness issues and the huns get to swoop in and nab him for pennies on the pound.  Naïve is absolutely correct.

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18 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

Disagree. He came back strong and we should've offered the contract. We were over cautious and it backfired. 

 

When you've watched hundreds of thousands of pounds (if not millions) over the last 8 years get pished up a wall signing a litany of utter shite such as Grzlak, Oshinawa, Martin, Sammon, Sowah, Damour, Whelan, Wighton, Frear, Halliday - I don't need to keep going right? We should have taken the gamble and got some form of extension sorted, if he wasn't willing to entertain it, then we should have got rid over the summer. 

 

I've made this point already, but every time a player signs a contract its a risk. They could get injured and never recover their form, they could be injury prone but come good - Sow, they could look great before but end up being shit - Wyness, it happens. In Snakey Souttars case he was a known quantity that came back played 5 games at the tailend of last season and looked rock solid in every single one. I distinctly recall folk mentioning it looked like he'd never been away. THAT was the time to get contract negotiations going. He'd done his recovery, he'd came back and slotted in seamlessly and only had 12 months left. 

 

His entire time with us, he's been the great white hope - the player we're going to sell for seven figures, Derby were going to pay north of £2m before he got injured etc. So to allow him to go into his final 12 months was naïve and we've completely worn the full cost of his fitness issues and the huns get to swoop in and nab him for pennies on the pound.  Naïve is absolutely correct.

When you put it like that, it's hard to disagree.

 

However, it's possible that Soutter was offered an extension and declined it. Who knows?

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Just now, OTT said:

 

Disagree. He came back strong and we should've offered the contract. We were over cautious and it backfired. 

 

When you've watched hundreds of thousands of pounds (if not millions) over the last 8 years get pished up a wall signing a litany of utter shite such as Grzlak, Oshinawa, Martin, Sammon, Sowah, Damour, Whelan, Wighton, Frear, Halliday - I don't need to keep going right? We should have taken the gamble and got some form of extension sorted, if he wasn't willing to entertain it, then we should have got rid over the summer. 

 

I've made this point already, but every time a player signs a contract its a risk. They could get injured and never recover their form, they could be injury prone but come good - Sow, they could look great before but end up being shit - Wyness, it happens. In Snakey Souttars case he was a known quantity that came back played 5 games at the tailend of last season and looked rock solid in every single one. I distinctly recall folk mentioning it looked like he'd never been away. THAT was the time to get contract negotiations going. He'd done his recovery, he'd came back and slotted in seamlessly and only had 12 months left. 

 

His entire time with us, he's been the great white hope - the player we're going to sell for seven figures, Derby were going to pay north of £2m before he got injured etc. So to allow him to go into his final 12 months was naïve and we've completely worn the full cost of his fitness issues and the huns get to swoop in and nab him for pennies on the pound.  Naïve is absolutely correct.

Post of the year so far 👏👍

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Too easy man, night folks!! 

 

If only .....

 

😴😴😴😴

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Hearts1975

We don’t need to break the bank. Devlin, Beni etc is the proof.

Let the recruitment team do it’s job. They haven’t let us down so far. 

Patience. 

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I was always one to wrire off our players if they went to the OF and I did so when Craig Gordon went there from Sunderland.

 

Won't be doing it again because that man is one of our greatest ever.

 

Good luck to Souttar but I wish he was going elsewhere.

 

He still might be.

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Would like to see us continue to source players from the J league, K league and A league, there is real quality to be had there.

Epl under 23 market is a good one too, I feel like we have been poor recruiting in Europe though surely there is a beast of an Italian Centre Half in serie b or something that could replace the Rat and become and instant legend.

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3 hours ago, martoon said:

Monte Carlo.

 

He plays somewhere in the South of France.

 

 

Easily playing roulette with a comment like that.

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Bazzas right boot
3 hours ago, OTT said:

 

Disagree. He came back strong and we should've offered the contract. We were over cautious and it backfired. 

 

When you've watched hundreds of thousands of pounds (if not millions) over the last 8 years get pished up a wall signing a litany of utter shite such as Grzlak, Oshinawa, Martin, Sammon, Sowah, Damour, Whelan, Wighton, Frear, Halliday - I don't need to keep going right? We should have taken the gamble and got some form of extension sorted, if he wasn't willing to entertain it, then we should have got rid over the summer. 

 

I've made this point already, but every time a player signs a contract its a risk. They could get injured and never recover their form, they could be injury prone but come good - Sow, they could look great before but end up being shit - Wyness, it happens. In Snakey Souttars case he was a known quantity that came back played 5 games at the tailend of last season and looked rock solid in every single one. I distinctly recall folk mentioning it looked like he'd never been away. THAT was the time to get contract negotiations going. He'd done his recovery, he'd came back and slotted in seamlessly and only had 12 months left. 

 

His entire time with us, he's been the great white hope - the player we're going to sell for seven figures, Derby were going to pay north of £2m before he got injured etc. So to allow him to go into his final 12 months was naïve and we've completely worn the full cost of his fitness issues and the huns get to swoop in and nab him for pennies on the pound.  Naïve is absolutely correct.

 

Makes sense until you realise you can't force players to sign a contract. 

 

Folk are being niave if they think a contract was never discussed earlier and Souttar wanted to wait and see his options. 

 

Hearts can't force players to extend, a point folk miss on here and no offer we have will have matched Rangers or a glut of offers from down south. 

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gregzy2k7
5 hours ago, Section Q said:

Defoe scored 32 times for the club despite making just 33 starts.

 

Could do worse than offer him a 6 month deal, but I feel we will target someone much younger with a sell on potential.

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StevenNaismith

The reason that Jake Hastie’s career has stalled is Jake Hastie himself. Terrible attitude, doesn’t look after himself off the pitch and is more interested in going out with his mates. Absolute waste of a great talent.

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9 hours ago, BackOfTheNet said:


:cornette:

 

Care to make an incisive response instead?

 

You need to grow up.

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9 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Laughable. Bigger maybe but never better, never in a million miles better.

You support snake while rest of us support Hearts.


I do support Hearts!

 

Honestly, you’re embarrassing yourself. “Better” by definition - Rangers have quite obviously had more success than us.

 

I hate Rangers. I wish Souttar wasn’t going there. But I won’t have a go at him for that. It’s a childish attitude.

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9 hours ago, Arthur Morgan said:

 

You disgust me. Call yourself a Hearts fan?


Act your age, FFS!

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28 minutes ago, StevenNaismith said:

The reason that Jake Hastie’s career has stalled is Jake Hastie himself. Terrible attitude, doesn’t look after himself off the pitch and is more interested in going out with his mates. Absolute waste of a great talent.

Same vibes as Harry cochrane. Potential there but career being wasted

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Jean Louis Valois
4 hours ago, OTT said:

 

Disagree. He came back strong and we should've offered the contract. We were over cautious and it backfired. 

 

When you've watched hundreds of thousands of pounds (if not millions) over the last 8 years get pished up a wall signing a litany of utter shite such as Grzlak, Oshinawa, Martin, Sammon, Sowah, Damour, Whelan, Wighton, Frear, Halliday - I don't need to keep going right? We should have taken the gamble and got some form of extension sorted, if he wasn't willing to entertain it, then we should have got rid over the summer. 

 

I've made this point already, but every time a player signs a contract its a risk. They could get injured and never recover their form, they could be injury prone but come good - Sow, they could look great before but end up being shit - Wyness, it happens. In Snakey Souttars case he was a known quantity that came back played 5 games at the tailend of last season and looked rock solid in every single one. I distinctly recall folk mentioning it looked like he'd never been away. THAT was the time to get contract negotiations going. He'd done his recovery, he'd came back and slotted in seamlessly and only had 12 months left. 

 

His entire time with us, he's been the great white hope - the player we're going to sell for seven figures, Derby were going to pay north of £2m before he got injured etc. So to allow him to go into his final 12 months was naïve and we've completely worn the full cost of his fitness issues and the huns get to swoop in and nab him for pennies on the pound.  Naïve is absolutely correct.

I'm pretty sure we did offer him a contract extension last year, and multiple since. He's declined them all, never had any intention of staying with us.

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7 hours ago, Morgaro Gomis said:


Wow. You’re everything that’s wrong with Scottish football summed up in one post.


Grow up, FFS! :rofl:

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