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Hackney Hearts
7 minutes ago, Hearts007 said:

undisclosed amount would be my guess

 

Somehow doesn't seem right that it should remain undisclosed to the owners of the club...

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4 hours ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Good for you being all grown up and adult about it. Personally, he's shitting on the club I support and potentially going to a club I detest.

I therefore reserve the right to abuse anyone who signs for the sectarian loving, soap avoiding, knuckle dragging, zombie following, bunch of ***** known as Rangers.

Wow.

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Just now, Hackney Hearts said:

 

Somehow doesn't seem right that it should remain undisclosed to the owners of the club...

yup

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3 minutes ago, Newton51 said:

Looks like it’s happening 

 

 

 

 

Hope their new soap turns out like this

Stinky Stuff

 

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1 hour ago, jamboinglasgow said:

Just seen this interesting tweet (I know its from a Celtic twitter) but it does the most important piece of business done so far this season is keeping Kingsley

 

 

 Interesting!

 

Great statement by the club btw

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2 hours ago, stuart500 said:

Hopefully all the ground work has been done as regards the replacement and we can get it done quickly. 

 

Not sure there will be one until the summer. Taylor-Moore in the meantime which will weaken us a bit.

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1 minute ago, wavydavy said:

 

Not sure there will be one until the summer. Taylor-Moore in the meantime which will weaken us a bit.

I think having a proper RWB actually improves us by a greater margin

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3 minutes ago, Sertse said:

 

 

 

Can’t fault that statement. Best he goes now but the issue is Goldson is there until the end of the season so Huns may not want to play ball. 

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Morgaro Gomis

Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but the wording of the statement indicates that the club only found out following Rangers announcement. Hope I’m wrong as that would make Souttar even more of snake than I already think he is.

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2 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Not sure there will be one until the summer. Taylor-Moore in the meantime which will weaken us a bit.

I think we will sign another centre back. 

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Popcorn time. 

 

Wonder if we will get a decent fee or if rangers will have to wait.

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1 minute ago, Morgaro Gomis said:

Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but the wording of the statement indicates that the club only found out following Rangers announcement. Hope I’m wrong as that would make Souttar even more of than I already think he is.

It’s hard to read it  any other way. 

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Just now, GinRummy said:

Can’t fault that statement. Best he goes now but the issue is Goldson is there until the end of the season so Huns may not want to play ball. 

I really don't understand Souttar signing a pre contract now he could have a storming 2nd half to the season and have even more bargaining power with clubs then.Unless of course he is going now.

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Absolutely disgusted with him. Should never get the privilege of pulling on the jersey again. BUT the club needs to be strong and make him see out his contract with the associated abuse. Its entirely warranted and hopefully its bad enough and sour enough to leave an impression so it doesn't happen again.

 

****ing rodent. 

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19 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

Bollocks, the only path not open to them as a Hearts player is signing for the OF. Going down south to challenge themselves they go with the best wishes of everyone associated with the club. If we sign a player who is purely interested in playing for either of the gruesome twosome, I don't ****ing want them defiling our jersey. 

 

18 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

It may put off some but I really doubt it. Hearts come in for a highly rated young player who then refuses to sign because we may temporarily block his path to the old firm three years later?  Nah. 

 

15 minutes ago, luckydug said:

Only the ones who want to do a Souttar 😏

 

 

Someone from abroad thinking about signing for us would just see us preventing o disadvantaging a player leaving for a higher salary at a higher rated club.

 

I hate the idea of any of our players going to the old firm (my hate of this goes back 54 years to when my boyhood hero Willie Wallace went to Celtic for a paltry £30k) so I totally understand the desire to prevent it.

 

But punishing players who try to do it is the wrong way to go about it in my opinion, and is just cutting our noses to spite our faces.

 

The problem with most of the players who have done this to us - Webster, Ritchie and now maybe Soutar is that they were near the end of their contracts. 

 

The answer to me lies in better earlier management of contract negotiations - not something we could really have done with Soutar but we seem to have achieved it with Kingsley and Halket 

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Just now, GinRummy said:

It’s hard to react any other way. 


Yeah, possibly mate and I’m not downing the statement - I think it’s a good one from Hearts.

 

Im just saying the wording of it gives me the impression that’s how we found out and he didn’t confirm to us his intentions. Could be reading far too far into it though!

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Malinga the Swinga

Have him nowhere near first team against St Johnstone but play him against Auchinleck Talbot for first 30 seconds, before subbing him.

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Just now, vegas-voss said:

I really don't understand Souttar signing a pre contract now he could have a storming 2nd half to the season and have even more bargaining power with clubs then.Unless of course he is going now.

Could mean he’s going now. Could be he just sees his future at Rangers and doesn’t want to move to England or abroad. 

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3 minutes ago, Morgaro Gomis said:

Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but the wording of the statement indicates that the club only found out following Rangers announcement. Hope I’m wrong as that would make Souttar even more of snake than I already think he is.

This is how I read it too. No way he can play for the club now if he stays beyond the window 

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Just now, scott herbertson said:

 

 

 

 

Someone from abroad thinking about signing for us would just see us preventing o disadvantaging a player leaving for a higher salary at a higher rated club.

 

I hate the idea of any of our players going to the old firm (my hate of this goes back 54 years to when my boyhood hero Willie Wallace went to Celtic for a paltry £30k) so I totally understand the desire to prevent it.

 

But punishing players who try to do it is the wrong way to go about it in my opinion, and is just cutting our noses to spite our faces.

 

The problem with most of the players who have done this to us - Webster, Ritchie and now maybe Soutar is that they were near the end of their contracts. 

 

The answer to me lies in better earlier management of contract negotiations - not something we could really have done with Soutar but we seem to have achieved it with Kingsley and Halket 

So someone from abroad would look at the Souttar transfer, ignoring Hickey, Lafferty and many other guys who have moved on and take that transfer in isolation. I disagree. Players know these type of spats happen between clubs. Just my opinion, I could be wrong. 

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Just now, scott herbertson said:

 

 

 

 

Someone from abroad thinking about signing for us would just see us preventing o disadvantaging a player leaving for a higher salary at a higher rated club.

 

I hate the idea of any of our players going to the old firm (my hate of this goes back 54 years to when my boyhood hero Willie Wallace went to Celtic for a paltry £30k) so I totally understand the desire to prevent it.

 

But punishing players who try to do it is the wrong way to go about it in my opinion, and is just cutting our noses to spite our faces.

 

The problem with most of the players who have done this to us - Webster, Ritchie and now maybe Soutar is that they were near the end of their contracts. 

 

The answer to me lies in better earlier management of contract negotiations - not something we could really have done with Soutar but we seem to have achieved it with Kingsley and Halket 

 

I don't agree with the first bit at all, but the bit in bold is spot on. We've been naive here and its caught us. The contract offer should have been made at the tail end of last season. If he rejected it, then he should have been punted over the summer with time on his deal. 

 

The club MUST get better at managing the contract situation of its key players. Its entirely possible Gordon, Halket and Kingsley decided on money moves instead and ran their deals down too. I do have confidence in Savage as he actually seems to run a professional outfit (unlike Levein). 

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3 minutes ago, Morgaro Gomis said:


Yeah, possibly mate and I’m not downing the statement - I think it’s a good one from Hearts.

 

Im just saying the wording of it gives me the impression that’s how we found out and he didn’t confirm to us his intentions. Could be reading far too far into it though!

That’s definitely how it reads. Until I hear different that’s what I’m going to think. 

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9 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said:

Which part is incorrect?

The Wow was more at how utterly bitter you are. Personally I've no time to be bitter as life moves on, usually quite quickly. 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, merrymac said:

I think having a proper RWB actually improves us by a greater margin

 

It means Smith can be used elsewhere if required.

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18 minutes ago, Swanny17 said:

If he’s had a medical, he would need Hearts permission to do so, which would mean a fee has been agreed. 
 

If he was to simply sign a PCA, I’d imagine this would be subject to a medical in the summer as a lot can happen between now and then, especially with him. 

That's what I was thinking as well. 

Otherwise they shouldn't be doing a medical to a Hearts player. 

If Hearts haven't cleared this they should complain to the SPFL. 

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scott herbertson
1 minute ago, OTT said:

 

I don't agree with the first bit at all, but the bit in bold is spot on. We've been naive here and its caught us. The contract offer should have been made at the tail end of last season. If he rejected it, then he should have been punted over the summer with time on his deal. 

 

The club MUST get better at managing the contract situation of its key players. Its entirely possible Gordon, Halket and Kingsley decided on money moves instead and ran their deals down too. I do have confidence in Savage as he actually seems to run a professional outfit (unlike Levein). 

 

 

I get what you are saying - I guess the difficulty may have been he would have had little value last summer, even with a year to go -= big injury risk at the time and not playing as well as he is now.

 

But I do agree if we want to keep players we should be extending their contracts before 1 year before the end of their current one.

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34 minutes ago, joondalupjambo said:

My worry is that Rangers will offer us Itten instead of cash às part of the Souttar deal instead of cash or would that be good?

What you worried about? We just reject it.

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1 minute ago, OTT said:

 

I don't agree with the first bit at all, but the bit in bold is spot on. We've been naive here and its caught us. The contract offer should have been made at the tail end of last season. If he rejected it, then he should have been punted over the summer with time on his deal. 

 

The club MUST get better at managing the contract situation of its key players. Its entirely possible Gordon, Halket and Kingsley decided on money moves instead and ran their deals down too. I do have confidence in Savage as he actually seems to run a professional outfit (unlike Levein). 

Souttar was injured last season. We were reported to have offered him a new deal early on in the season. You’re general point may be right but as far as Souttar is concerned I’m not sure the club could have done much more, other than Chuck money at him we didn’t want to pay.

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30 minutes ago, Rudi cant fail said:

Not really as he has played for 2 clubs this season so wouldn’t be able to play for us 

Ok that answers that then.  Sorry this might have been discussed earlier but did not go that far back in thread.  Appreciate all the replies

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1 minute ago, kingantti1874 said:

I dont think he will play again.. the vitriol will be huge and counterproductive to the result.

Agreed. He’ll get dogs abuse from a packed stadium on Tuesday if he plays. As you say, totally counterproductive. 

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Just now, Tom Hardy’s Dug said:

What you worried about? We just reject it.

A bit of a luxury possibly.  That was all.  Good in games where we are on the front foot but in a lot of games we are not, especially away from home.

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1 minute ago, OTT said:

 

I don't agree with the first bit at all, but the bit in bold is spot on. We've been naive here and its caught us. The contract offer should have been made at the tail end of last season. If he rejected it, then he should have been punted over the summer with time on his deal. 

 

The club MUST get better at managing the contract situation of its key players. Its entirely possible Gordon, Halket and Kingsley decided on money moves instead and ran their deals down too. I do have confidence in Savage as he actually seems to run a professional outfit (unlike Levein). 

The end of last season saw Souttar just coming back from injury. At that time, he hadn't proved fitness. Now, some would say he could have signed year extension to thank Hearts for covering him missing almost 2 years of his stay.

Instead, he threw the support he has received from Hearts into the gutter and laughed at supporters.

He has confirmed rat like status at Tynecastle, and should be left in no doubt as to what supporters think of him, should he ever play for first team again.

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Morgaro Gomis

The catch-22 we now find ourselves in is that with the (correct) stance we have taken in confirming he is still a crucial part of the first team, is that if we end up not playing him due to poor performances, or pressure from the crowd, then Rangers will know it’s nonsense and will definitely only offer a pittance towards the end or the window. He really has ****ed us over and left us in a lose lose situation.

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wouldn’t it be great if we split the old firm this season and rangers finish third (or lower) and he misses out on champions league football then the start of next season they go into admin 😂😂

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18Jambo_dave74

Difficult position for us now.

 

We're clearly publicly stating his importance for the remainder of the season in an attempt to get as much money from Rangers now as possible. However there's no way he can be included in any match day squads from now on which kind of defeats our argument. 

 

We've done so well this season, we really don't need the distraction of having him anywhere near our games from now on. 

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