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4 minutes ago, gorgie rd eh11 said:

 

Fergus McCann and Charles Green.

 

That is for the better part not true McCann got out what he put in  to get Celtic back as a going concern and Mr Green as you know was never anything other than a shyster fly by night who got in on the cheap and got out very very quickly.

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5 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

 

That right? How much of that money ever got into the owners pockets though? To make money you need a successful team ... you do not get a successful team by selling the best players. It is a vicious circle... happy to be corrected when you tell me who in the Scottish game has made money or in the UK game where money has actually made in any significant quantity by any team ... the accounts of most if not all English club blow money being made towards a cold and distant moon.

 

Not saying its easy to do. I think if Hibs got into Europe reguarly then they raise the profile of their players, but they dont have to be competing for the top of the league, they just need younger players who stand out (or as they usually do get their cheerleaders in the press to hype them up.) Most of the time it doesn't pay off but if it does then you can get a regular income from it without putting money in. It wont be millions a year but enough to make it worthwhile. 

 

Would also argue most owners in Scottish football in the past have been more caretaker types, rich owners who support the club and want to keep it going so profit for themselves is not the primary drive. 

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Look to all the kill joys following this thread. Anybody that got into that mob to make any serious amount of money given the initial monetary input was sold a pup ! He may well be making some money but it cannot be earth shattering in amount. What he has bought is an asset and that is by far his greatest acquisition ... death threats would follow if he ever tried to realise these assets... in just the same way that WM did.

As for AB making money out of Hearts. I have no doubt she has but not mega and it is one off and defo not or should not be ongoing unless FOH are playing into her hands

 

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18 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

 

That is for the better part not true McCann got out what he put in  to get Celtic back as a going concern and Mr Green as you know was never anything other than a shyster fly by night who got in on the cheap and got out very very quickly.

 

McCann made a fortune.

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37 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

 

F'k knows you tell me but dinnae tell me he wanted to make his fortune... not one chunt in Scottish football has every bought a football team and made money🤣

Fergus McCann.

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Ron the con will make money from Hibs but maybe not in the way some think. He will be using his connection with the club to further his other interests. Be getting involved in a Scottish institution ( no matter how small ) he will be making contacts and associations that will enhance his business. Plus in the end he has Hibs ground and assets to plunder.

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1 minute ago, Ex member of the SaS said:

Ron the con will make money from Hibs but maybe not in the way some think. He will be using his connection with the club to further his other interests. Be getting involved in a Scottish institution ( no matter how small ) he will be making contacts and associations that will enhance his business. Plus in the end he has Hibs ground and assets to plunder.

 

Which is pretty much what Vlad was trying to do with Hearts.

 

if that lot could actually stop looking for proof we have somehow cheated the Scottish game for years and actually learn from our experience over the last 15 years they may actually get somewhere. Because right now, they are sleep walking into a very sticky situation with Ron.

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39 minutes ago, jock _turd said:

Look to all the kill joys following this thread. Anybody that got into that mob to make any serious amount of money given the initial monetary input was sold a pup ! He may well be making some money but it cannot be earth shattering in amount. What he has bought is an asset and that is by far his greatest acquisition ... death threats would follow if he ever tried to realise these assets... in just the same way that WM did.

As for AB making money out of Hearts. I have no doubt she has but not mega and it is one off and defo not or should not be ongoing unless FOH are playing into her hands

 

 

To be fair, I am not saying that Ron is going to be successful just there is at least a plan you could make money. And Hibs fans should be cautious of this kind of running, they could get some success if it works but they are never going to get their full potential as money doesn't go fully back into club and if things go south then their stadium and training ground are in danger of being sold off.

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25 minutes ago, gorgie rd eh11 said:

 

McCann made a fortune.

 

He did but he took a massive gamble with his near 10 millions investment and turned them round over a five year period... it could have been very different though just look at The Rangers since they were resurrected 🤣 

However I will reiterate there are 12 SPL teams where is the money to be made other than ourselves and Celtic . The dodgy guys at the Dundee clubs could be making money they balance sheets of the clubs show them losing vast sums... possibly finding its way into their pockets. However in my opinion that is the only way bleed the club dry and then move on? There will be money made only by liquidating the assets of most clubs in my opinion.

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4 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

To be fair, I am not saying that Ron is going to be successful just there is at least a plan you could make money. And Hibs fans should be cautious of this kind of running, they could get some success if it works but they are never going to get their full potential as money doesn't go fully back into club and if things go south then their stadium and training ground are in danger of being sold off.

 

As I say in my last post the only way to make money out of that shower is to liquidate the assets🤣

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Martin Boyle is the obvious player to sell. 

 

And its unclear if that would hurt Hibs too much as with Doidge back he's hidden out wide with less impact. 

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1 hour ago, jock _turd said:

 

F'k knows you tell me but dinnae tell me he wanted to make his fortune... not one chunt in Scottish football has every bought a football team and made money🤣

Green and White at Sevco 😆

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The same question that was asked of us when Romanov took over should be asked about Gordon with Hibs.

Why is he interested? What's his endgame? What benefit does he think he'll gain?

We welcomed Romanov, initially, because we were knackered otherwise. Hibs must have had other options, unless they were in a more perilous financial state than Petrie and his media chums were letting on.

What have Hibs fans ever done financially for their club? They mess around buying concessionary tickets they're not entitled to whilst waiting on somebody else coming along to pump his, or her, money in. Their attempt to emulate the FOH has been feeble.

They really are a unique breed.

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"waiting on somebody else coming along to pump his, or her, money in"

 

I think for a good while nearly every team in Scotland if not the entire UK was hoping for someone so F'kn rich and in need of something to play with and spend their money on... unfortunately as we now know they are none existent all they do is eventually saddle clubs with huge debts. 

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Their Hertz Profffut thread is a belter. 

 

They are discussing the £5m drop in revenue as if it's a big shock or concern. 

They must have missed demotion, covid and the no crowd thing. 

 

They are questioning why a non Hearts, man like Anderson gives us money. 

No self awareness at all... Why would a dodgy American buy hibs? 

 

They then big up thier own foundation thing. 

 

Utter jobbie heeds. 

 

 

 

 

 

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It never fails to amaze me that no Hibs manager in 10 years or so has thought, "Maybe we can do better than Paul Hanlon and Lewis Stevenson", even when they were sliding down the league into the Championship and losing multiple cup finals and other big games with them in the team. 

 

New contracts for them, Doige and Doyle-Hayes. They seem to be content to build a long term team with a core of very mediocre players.

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2 hours ago, jamboinglasgow said:

 

To be fair, I am not saying that Ron is going to be successful just there is at least a plan you could make money. And Hibs fans should be cautious of this kind of running, they could get some success if it works but they are never going to get their full potential as money doesn't go fully back into club and if things go south then their stadium and training ground are in danger of being sold off.

 

One thing that stands out about their approach under Ron Gordon is they seem very willing to mislead people, including their own fans. Hibs fans I know simply don't trust the guy.

 

The whole "greenest club in Scotland" thing simply looks like "green washing" when at the same time they announce a big deal with a cryptocurrency company, which is one of the most environmentally damaging sectors out there. The big TVs screen is a distraction and I'm guessing will be used primarily to flog things to their own fans.

 

The crypto company deal itself was very misleading and came across as very dodgy. They were lucky the media didn't bother digging into that too much.

 

They seemed to be willing to mislead fans over interest in Doig, Nisbet and Porteous. Months of headlines they did nothing to play down, then they admitted there had been no offers or firm interest.

 

Then the whole thing with Gordon's son being appointed to a position and not announced and who knows if he actually is their Head of Recruitment now after all. 

 

There are so many red flags surrounding Gordon's ownership so far.

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Hibernian FC the NAAFI club.

NO AMBITION AND ****ALL INTEREST CLUB.

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2 hours ago, Mikey1874 said:

Martin Boyle is the obvious player to sell. 

 

And its unclear if that would hurt Hibs too much as with Doidge back he's hidden out wide with less impact. 

 

Clubs have had multiple chances to come in for Boyle over the years and no-one except Aberdeen has.

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3 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

Which is pretty much what Vlad was trying to do with Hearts.

 

if that lot could actually stop looking for proof we have somehow cheated the Scottish game for years and actually learn from our experience over the last 15 years they may actually get somewhere. Because right now, they are sleep walking into a very sticky situation with Ron.

 

Completely agree. There are a lot of similarities between Gordon and Vlad, aside from Gordon coming across as sane and not owning a submarine. In a way you knew where you stood with Vlad. Gordon seems a lot more sneaky, which is the biggest red flag of all.

 

Suspect Gordon will lose interest the way Vlad did, especially when it sinks in speculate to accumulate won't work, there is no conveyor belt of young talent at Hibs to sell and the SFA/SPFL will ensure the OF stay dominant.

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4 hours ago, 132goals1958 said:

 

At the beginning of the season they were trying to push Doig out the door when Burnley and Watford expressed interest. If I recall they wrapped him in cotton wool refusing to play him at one stage

Yup.  They did a great job at managing to bum very average players up in "value" but totally failed to get anyone to buy in to the myth.  Played it all wrong.

 

Fact is they were greedy.  They had 2/3 bang average players who have achieved nothing in the game and wanted millions for them.  If they'd been realistic, they could maybe have fleeced someone for a million for each or something like that and run off while the players slipped to obscurity.  But instead, they believed their own price-tags and hype and have now been saddled with these (I'd guess overpaid!) huddies in their own team!

 

Deeeeeeeeelicious.

 

Surely now if someone has anything verging on a run of form, their ethos has to be "sell before anyone realises they're shite"

 

Porteous is my favourite.  I love how there was so much bumming up of the guy and it was so clear that as soon as any club scouted him, they just put a line through his name.  Doig, I think there was def interest but frankly he's played himself out of that.  Nisbet, probably similar.  Boyle?  Ten a penny.  Good player, don't get me wrong, but not a player you couldn't pick up for free elsewhere if you can offer c. £10-15l/wk easy.

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1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said:

Their Hertz Profffut thread is a belter. 

 

They are discussing the £5m drop in revenue as if it's a big shock or concern. 

They must have missed demotion, covid and the no crowd thing. 

 

They are questioning why a non Hearts, man like Anderson gives us money. 

No self awareness at all... Why would a dodgy American buy hibs? 

 

They then big up thier own foundation thing. 

 

Utter jobbie heeds. 

 

 

 

 

 

Wait until they see their own accounts!

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1 minute ago, RobNox said:

Wait until they see their own accounts!

 

Exactly. 

 

It's hardly rocket science, although some on here were concerned of the drop as well. 

Beggars belief. 

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3 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Exactly. 

 

It's hardly rocket science, although some on here were concerned of the drop as well. 

Beggars belief. 

Their revenue might not have dropped off quite as much as ours, as they weren't unfairly consigned to the Championship so will have received more prize money, but they will still take a big, big hit.

 

I posted in the thread discussing our accounts that in their last set of accounts, they flagged that cash in the bank had fallen from £5.3m at end of June last year, to £2.6m by end December, so will probably have been more or less fully used up by the time they started getting in this season's ST money.  Hence Ron getting upset at not being able to offload players in the Summer.

 

Expect a substantial underlying loss, offset massively by the HSL contributions.  Oh, wait...

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2 minutes ago, RobNox said:

Their revenue might not have dropped off quite as much as ours, as they weren't unfairly consigned to the Championship so will have received more prize money, but they will still take a big, big hit.

 

I posted in the thread discussing our accounts that in their last set of accounts, they flagged that cash in the bank had fallen from £5.3m at end of June last year, to £2.6m by end December, so will probably have been more or less fully used up by the time they started getting in this season's ST money.  Hence Ron getting upset at not being able to offload players in the Summer.

 

Expect a substantial underlying loss, offset massively by the HSL contributions.  Oh, wait...

 

 

Yeah I'd expect them to be at around £2-£3m loss considering the prize money difference. 

They also taken the £1m loan out iirc as well. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Smith's right boot said:

Their Hertz Profffut thread is a belter. 

 

They are discussing the £5m drop in revenue as if it's a big shock or concern. 

They must have missed demotion, covid and the no crowd thing. 

 

They are questioning why a non Hearts, man like Anderson gives us money. 

No self awareness at all... Why would a dodgy American buy hibs? 

 

They then big up thier own foundation thing. 

 

Utter jobbie heeds. 

 

 

 

 

 

They also don't seem to realise the size of our new stand, calling it 1 tier when there's actually the ground floor with the fans bar, ticket office and shop, reception area with a bar and player's lounge, a first floor with 3 hospitality suites that are used for other purposes on non match days, a second floor that's still to be developed and a top class restaurant/hospitality facility on the third floor!

 

Trumpets.

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Fxxx the SPFL

Mad Vlad was our saviour and brought in some brilliant players great times but most of the money he pumped in came from not his own pocket I’m sure he walked away with a suitcase with £8 million from the CG transfer money good luck to him still love the guy for saving us he’s probably back selling records from the boot of his old car lol 😂 

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5 minutes ago, Rudolf said:

They also don't seem to realise the size of our new stand, calling it 1 tier when there's actually the ground floor with the fans bar, ticket office and shop, reception area with a bar and player's lounge, a first floor with 3 hospitality suites that are used for other purposes on non match days, a second floor that's still to be developed and a top class restaurant/hospitality facility on the third floor!

 

Trumpets.

 

 

Yeah, they bang on about 1 tier like it's a bad thing. 

 

Are 2 tiers or more cooler? 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Yeah, they bang on about 1 tier like it's a bad thing. 

 

Are 2 tiers or more cooler? 

 

 

Tears are their specialist subject! 😪... and snotters.

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3 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said:

Tears are their specialist subject! 😪... and snotters.

Yeah, snotters don't show on a green jersey

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I get the feeling that Ron the con is eagerly waiting for the same as most of the Hibbies,  the sell on of McGinn,  when/if that happens we will find out who runs the club and where the sell on fee will go,  my bet is Ron’s wallet.  Then the penny will drop.  But Big Ron will be gone,  money in his pocket and title deeds up for sale.

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The thread on Hibs.net is priceless. I think there must be several interlopers just throwing in posts to keep the thread going. It is either that or its similar to the relegation season they are to busy with us to notice their own pot being robbed.

 

Hibs logic is akin to you and your neighbours house being on fire. Hearts fans would be inside their house trying to put out the flames. Hibs would be outside pointing at your house for being on fire. 

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5 hours ago, Salad Fingers said:

 

He'll be making money no doubt about it. It might not be a drastic amount but he will be making money of some sort. 

Him & his son at least will be on the payroll and if he gets fed up then he sells the lot gets his money back that he invested. 

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3 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

Their Hertz Profffut thread is a belter. 

 

They are discussing the £5m drop in revenue as if it's a big shock or concern. 

They must have missed demotion, covid and the no crowd thing. 

 

They are questioning why a non Hearts, man like Anderson gives us money. 

No self awareness at all... Why would a dodgy American buy hibs? 

 

They then big up thier own foundation thing. 

 

Utter jobbie heeds. 

 

 

 

 

 

I assume Hibs haven’t published they’re accounts, they are in for a shock if they think their revenue wouldn’t have taken a massive dip last year. 

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24 minutes ago, stevie1874 said:

Him & his son at least will be on the payroll and if he gets fed up then he sells the lot gets his money back that he invested. 

Maybe American business people just do basic arithmetic and think money could be made ?

Hibs have 10k+ customers every game (I know)

Reasonably astute player deals .

Oh and they , for not too much , will own a decent bit of real estate .

Probably , on paper at least , they can't lose 

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2 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Yeah I'd expect them to be at around £2-£3m loss considering the prize money difference. 

They also taken the £1m loan out iirc as well. 

 

 

I think they borrowed £2.88 million.

Don't know when the first payment is due.

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2 hours ago, TheBigO said:

Yup.  They did a great job at managing to bum very average players up in "value" but totally failed to get anyone to buy in to the myth.  Played it all wrong.

 

Fact is they were greedy.  They had 2/3 bang average players who have achieved nothing in the game and wanted millions for them.  If they'd been realistic, they could maybe have fleeced someone for a million for each or something like that and run off while the players slipped to obscurity.  But instead, they believed their own price-tags and hype and have now been saddled with these (I'd guess overpaid!) huddies in their own team!

 

Deeeeeeeeelicious.

 

Surely now if someone has anything verging on a run of form, their ethos has to be "sell before anyone realises they're shite"

 

Porteous is my favourite.  I love how there was so much bumming up of the guy and it was so clear that as soon as any club scouted him, they just put a line through his name.  Doig, I think there was def interest but frankly he's played himself out of that.  Nisbet, probably similar.  Boyle?  Ten a penny.  Good player, don't get me wrong, but not a player you couldn't pick up for free elsewhere if you can offer c. £10-15l/wk easy.

 

Contrast that with us stressing how much we want to keep Souttar

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Notable too that Ross is distancing himself from the Steve Keane appointment.   His interview on YouTube he pretty much said too much is being made of his relationship with Keane,  doesn’t know him personally, only professionally via coaching camps ie ‘we’re not friends’.   
 

Edit…Magennis still out for foreseeable,  no return date despite I think EEN reporting his return. 

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6 minutes ago, john thomas said:

Maybe American business people just do basic arithmetic and think money could be made ?

Hibs have 10k+ customers every game (I know)

Reasonably astute player deals .

Oh and they , for not too much , will own a decent bit of real estate .

Probably , on paper at least , they can't lose 

Whatever the reasons, we’ve been through all that and came out the other end, certainly stronger financially with the infrastructure in place to make the club financially secure more than any other time in my lifetime. The next year or two will be telling for Hibs as to what the owners real intentions are. 

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21 hours ago, sadj said:

Pictures we need pictures , it starting to sound like a cake boss v charm city challenge , largest cake montage of Hearts things….

 

As I say, I've stopped making cakes years ago, but here is one with the old main stand...

 

 

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2 hours ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Yeah, they bang on about 1 tier like it's a bad thing. 

 

Are 2 tiers or more cooler? 

 

 

 

Yeah 2 tieir at Easter Road just means there's no access once inside. There's no overhang, if we blocked of access from top to bottom or bottom to top ours would also be 2 tier. 🙂

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7 hours ago, jock _turd said:

 

Going to say it now... I doubt that because only a total Ahole would buy up that mob hoping to make any money! The guy may be an Ahole but he is not stupid. The only way money could be made from that lot is by winding them up and selling off the ground . There is no money to be made in Scottish football end of even Celtic toil and they have been almost permanently in euro fixtures and have sold some top players. The other teams rob Peter to pay Paul.

 

 

It’s all part if his business plan.  He was livid at the lack of a sale in the summer. Their accounts will tell their own story.  He won’t pump in his own money to cover losses. Sales of players with inflated valuations are the name of the game.  Cover the losses and the profits from the sales to him. With all the assets covered by him he can’t lose.  When that’s rumbled then sell up or wind up. 

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32 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Contrast that with us stressing how much we want to keep Souttar

Yes.  To sell him.  Like they’ve done with Boyle. 

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22 minutes ago, Mark_Mywords said:

 

As I say, I've stopped making cakes years ago, but here is one with the old main stand...

 

 

Fantastic. How on earth could anybody eat it, though?👍

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24 minutes ago, stevie1874 said:

Whatever the reasons, we’ve been through all that and came out the other end, certainly stronger financially with the infrastructure in place to make the club financially secure more than any other time in my lifetime. The next year or two will be telling for Hibs as to what the owners real intentions are. 

They really need other investors.  That’s evident. 

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23 minutes ago, Mark_Mywords said:

 

As I say, I've stopped making cakes years ago, but here is one with the old main stand...

 

 

 

 

That is great.....However, opportunity to fill in the corners missed  :HeartsManspotrun:

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14 minutes ago, Deevers said:

 

 

It’s all part if his business plan.  He was livid at the lack of a sale in the summer. Their accounts will tell their own story.  He won’t pump in his own money to cover losses. Sales of players with inflated valuations are the name of the game.  Cover the losses and the profits from the sales to him. With all the assets covered by him he can’t lose.  When that’s rumbled then sell up or wind up. 


What’s happened to the business plan when there’s nobody sellable or is that why they are investing in that boy from St Mirren on a new three year deal?

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