Maroon Sailor Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Re the Boyce penalty incident You don't see them given in Govan Unless you are wearing blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 In the shithousery of Scottish football you get cock all from a Celtic fan referee at Ibrox as he needs to show that he's unbiased towards the other lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 In the new world we live in, officials in all walks of life don't give a feck and don't even bother to hide their criminality. And yet nothing happens. The dice are loaded against the wee guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Would VAR have given Boyces as a penalty? I’m not so sure, but it certainly would have overturned Aribos yellow to a red. Bizarre the incident wasn’t even mentioned on Sportscene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscjambo Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Can someone explain why the Aribo tackle was overlooked completely by the BBC? If Porteous was a red at ibrox this certainly was. But nobody really bothers. Don Robertson was there but chose not act. Same as Bacuna red all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Same old zombies! Always cheating! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, gowestjambo said: Boyce incident was a pen. Aribo Red. Neilson sending off - I thought we improved after he was sent to the stands....... We did but are you suggesting that we improved because he was sent to the stand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I hate his facial features and the faces he pulls smug looking twat. From Glasgow played for Patrick and Queens Park when he was younger you would think with a football background his skills at being a ref would be a bit better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 55 minutes ago, Stu_HMFC said: I hate his facial features and the faces he pulls smug looking twat. From Glasgow played for Patrick and Queens Park when he was younger you would think with a football background his skills at being a ref would be a bit better. He's just another really poor ref and the less Hearts games he gets the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: He's just another really poor ref and the less Hearts games he gets the better. He is the ref but looks like he has an attitude problem the way he tells players to go away or the way he speaks to players . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Albert Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Awbdy Oot said: We did but are you suggesting that we improved because he was sent to the stand? There was certainly some transformation when he left. Maybe the team was angry at his treatment. Maybe his instructions from pitch side tend to be a bit negative. Maybe purely coincidental. Certainly seemed to do no harm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 The performance of the officials in this game is one of the worst I have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inchgarvie Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I’ve always said, officials are under massive pressure with 50,00 knuckle draggers shouting for anything that goes against them. There is no hiding place for him or his family if he makes a decision in favour of a visiting team as everyone knows where they work, live or where his kids go to school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Inchgarvie said: I’ve always said, officials are under massive pressure with 50,00 knuckle draggers shouting for anything that goes against them. There is no hiding place for him or his family if he makes a decision in favour of a visiting team as everyone knows where they work, live or where his kids go to school. One of a few reasons that make getting decisions at Parkhead and Govan pretty rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ1977 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 100% a foul on Boyce so should be a penalty. Defender is wrong side leans on him then falls straight on top of him and bowls him over. Robertson gave numerous fouls throughout the game for less contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Gulf Jambo said: Robbie post match criticism of the officials will be picked up no doubt Calling out the 4th official for the throat grab & saying when you come here you never get any decisions Wait for him to be charged 1st thing Monday morning and get a touchline ban Meanwhile they'll "review" the Bacuna incident and see nothing wrong with it He should (in a normal league) get a 3-5 game ban for that. Don't hold out much hope here though I wonder if we could sidestep post match comments with a statement from the club. Might get fined but Neilson can’t get suspended if they’re not his comments… recurring theme on the penalty seems to be ‘but it’s Rangers at ibrox’, if that isn’t an indictment of the double standard rampant in Scottish football I don’t know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, karipidis said: Would VAR have given Boyces as a penalty? I’m not so sure, but it certainly would have overturned Aribos yellow to a red. Bizarre the incident wasn’t even mentioned on Sportscene. Not really a surprise, the Beeb are doing their level best to get back into Rangers good books. After all the hullabaloo about Aribo last week and the sending off you would have thought this would have been a major point of discussion on the programme. The fact that it was not really tells you everything about Sportscene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack D and coke Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Armageddon said: Hahaha, Hi Don! Boyce is taking the ball down in the box and he's knocked over = penalty. Nothing else makes Boyce fall over. Boyce has eyes on the ball running into a dangerous area. Balogun has eyes on Boyce and runs into him intentionally obstructing him ans to stop him getting an effort on goal. That needs explained to me how that’s not a foul It’s a penalty all day long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, mscjambo said: Can someone explain why the Aribo tackle was overlooked completely by the BBC? If Porteous was a red at ibrox this certainly was. But nobody really bothers. Don Robertson was there but chose not act. Same as Bacuna red all day long. I had a rather jumpy stream and missed this (and oor goal, gggrrrrr!!). Anyone got a clip of the tackle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Over and above the incidents discussed here, what about the offsides?!!!? The Boyce one, know McGregor saved anyway but NEVER offside. Quute a similar one first half for Huns, so same lino, but looked a yard off. No flag. One with Gino too, great pass inside fullback from Cochrane. No way to tell on tv but our players thought onside, would love to see it properly. Their main gripe was CamDev not being booked earlier but the counter to that is that 50% of the fouls were dives, especially ftom Hagi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Awbdy Oot said: We did but are you suggesting that we improved because he was sent to the stand? Maybe it was just a coincidence........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigO Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, gowestjambo said: Maybe it was just a coincidence........ He he. Bit of mischief. We'd been doing well for a good while up until Robbies red. Wonder if Slippy would've been sent off for similar? Hmmmmmmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, TheBigO said: He he. Bit of mischief. We'd been doing well for a good while up until Robbies red. Wonder if Slippy would've been sent off for similar? Hmmmmmmm... Not a chance in hell. My Comment re Neilson was of course tongue in cheek, but we I thought his sending off gave us more impetus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, mscjambo said: Can someone explain why the Aribo tackle was overlooked completely by the BBC? If Porteous was a red at ibrox this certainly was. But nobody really bothers. Don Robertson was there but chose not act. Same as Bacuna red all day long. So the SFA have an excuse not to upgrade it to a red/ban him after the match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC 86 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, milky_26 said: So the SFA have an excuse not to upgrade it to a red/ban him after the match. So many times with us, Sportscene have spoken in detail about how our players should have got red cards, then like day after night, the compliance officer follows and ‘offers’ our player a ban. Doubtless this will not be mentioned further Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 10 hours ago, fila said: Should have been a straight red ….. should have been a pen ….both would have been given if it had been in Rangers favour. The neck grab was a reaction to being pushed , handbag stuff . not surprised RN was sent to the stands , must be one of the worst places in the world to be standing on the sidelines Handbags stuff? Seriously? You raise your hand to another player and it’s a red card. Whether you were pushed or not. Grabbing someone by the throat just makes the decision easier. Everywhere in world football except Ibrox and Parkhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Inchgarvie said: I’ve always said, officials are under massive pressure with 50,00 knuckle draggers shouting for anything that goes against them. There is no hiding place for him or his family if he makes a decision in favour of a visiting team as everyone knows where they work, live or where his kids go to school. That old chestnut, they give them everything at away grounds also 🤔? Even more reason not to hire the majority of refs from a 100 mile radius of Glasgow, like everything else in our game it’s done for the benefit of the uglies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, milky_26 said: So the SFA have an excuse not to upgrade it to a red/ban him after the match. Yellow cards given - their excuse will be that Robertson did act. It tells you all you need to know about why the game here is continually in the doldrums. Two rules applied all the time - one for the Old Firm and one for everyone else. Anywhere else Roberson would be looking at a demotion after a one sided display like that. Not here though - he probably got a Pat on the back from the assessor who would be watching him from the Ibrox Directors Box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Inchgarvie said: I’ve always said, officials are under massive pressure with 50,00 knuckle draggers shouting for anything that goes against them. There is no hiding place for him or his family if he makes a decision in favour of a visiting team as everyone knows where they work, live or where his kids go to school. He shouldn’t have taken the job if that sort of thing influences his decision making. The whole point of refs is to make the game fair. If you go into a game being more lenient to one side than the other then you are a cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamhammer Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 12 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: Amazing now we see things differently - I thought that was a stonewall pen.. Balogun only tried to play boyce. No where near the ball. Yup. Foul anywhere else on the pitch. Shat it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 8 hours ago, HMFC 86 said: Utter nonsense. It’s you that’s having a mare all over this thread What because I dont agree with some of ya? 🙈 Im no the one saying if ya don’t think its a pen you arent a Hearts fan. However you fire on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 6 hours ago, ri Alban said: Peoples is pushing it a bit, Sadj. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 hours ago, mscjambo said: Can someone explain why the Aribo tackle was overlooked completely by the BBC? If Porteous was a red at ibrox this certainly was. But nobody really bothers. Don Robertson was there but chose not act. Same as Bacuna red all day long. Aribos at normal speed as it happens didn’t look nearly as bad as it was. Wasn’t til I saw a still agreed it was red. Its understandable (different from acceptable for the hard of reading on here). Porteous’s was far more obvious as he ran full pelt across the pitch and launched himself at the player. Equating the two is not a thing much as people try to say they are the same. Still pictures are great but look at players reactions to both tackles theres a huge difference even just in that. Bacuna there was no excuse for , the 4th official was closer to Kingsley than if he’d been giving him a lapdance. The ref wasn’t exactly far from it either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinc Finger Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 It wasnt a competing for the ball shoulder charge he looks at boyce then runs into him! Hopefully in future VAR will put an end to this nonsense Shamefull avoidance of discusssion of incident of sportscene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Stu_HMFC said: He is the ref but looks like he has an attitude problem the way he tells players to go away or the way he speaks to players . That lad who did Dundee v Aberdeen was the same (colin steven maybe) he was shouting at the players to “come here now”. Actually shouting at them 🙈 I hate the officious wanks like that. On a pitch you have no respect for that , its not commanding nor assertive its just dick behaviour. I wonder if the SFA has “how to be a *****” classes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadj Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Francis Albert said: There was certainly some transformation when he left. Maybe the team was angry at his treatment. Maybe his instructions from pitch side tend to be a bit negative. Maybe purely coincidental. Certainly seemed to do no harm! Jesus **** 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 13 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said: It was an absolute penalty! How can you not see that? Did he just fall or what was it you didn't see? We’d have a case if Boyce was going to get anywhere near the ball. He wasn’t IMO. It’s a crude block but it’s not a penalty IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex MacDonald Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 No official from Glasgow should be taking charge of any team from their home city. The dominance of the Glasgow Referees Association is blatantly corrupt and only serves 2 teams. Referees no longer having their home town or location under their listing in the match programme or listings is a pathetic attempt by the SFA to try and hide the imbalance and damage that it’s doing to our game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Inchgarvie said: I’ve always said, officials are under massive pressure with 50,00 knuckle draggers shouting for anything that goes against them. There is no hiding place for him or his family if he makes a decision in favour of a visiting team as everyone knows where they work, live or where his kids go to school. Yup. The problem is though that so many referees are recruited from the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Renfrewshire and Ayrshire associations that the vast majority live and work amongst them so invariably - even subconsciously, will opt for a quiet life. We need to push for more referees from the other associations IMO. They also need to grow a set and stand up to the selection committee that only seem to promote those from the west coast. Stand by that the stats are out there which prove an unjustifiable volume of referees from those 4 associations are promoted to top flight football. Problem is, what are the other associations doing to challenge this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alex MacDonald said: No official from Glasgow should be taking charge of any team from their home city. The dominance of the Glasgow Referees Association is blatantly corrupt and only serves 2 teams. Referees no longer having their home town or location under their listing in the match programme or listings is a pathetic attempt by the SFA to try and hide the imbalance and damage that it’s doing to our game. Completely agree. I remember you used to get a bio on the website about each referee which said where they came from. No longer the case so clearly an attempt to frustrate tracking where they actually come from. I wish I had the time to sit down and research the stats over the last 20-20 years. I reckon the stats would offer evidence that they couldn't justify. A good journalist could absolutely skewer the SFA on this, especially if they could get a few quotes from refs that were glass ceilling'd by the west coast associations and the biased selection process AND someone from a stats background saying the stats are highly suspect. I think James Bee has been quoted a few times highlighting the problems the non-west coast refs face in achieving progression. If any stattos fancy doing it, I think the results could be really interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 You could name the refs from where they were from Balfour Bonkle Dundee Rutherglen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan2012 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Wouldn’t be surprised if the BBC bottled showing the Aribo challenge because they don’t want Gerrard and Sevco complaining about Trial by Sportscene. Absolutely guaranteed if that’s Devlin on Aribo then Gerrard would come out slamming Devlin abs the ref but the hypocrisy is not surprising. Really surprised Robbie hasn’t said anything as that was a potential leg breaker. Sportscene is horrendous and the pundits on it are a waste of space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: You could name the refs from where they were from Balfour Bonkle Dundee Rutherglen I have a list of all of the cat 1 referees, I'm trying to figure out which association they belong to though, because I think that could be a good step in proving my theory, but you cannot find anywhere on the web where each one belongs to. I had hoped the facebook/twitter accounts might congratulate their members when they receive appointment as a cat 1 referee but there isn't anything. I am finding that the vast majority are west coast, but its kind of difficult to figure out which association. Does anyone have any ideas on how to go about it? (yes it might be a bit sad, but you cannot prove individual bias, but you could potentially prove that there is a culture of bias in only promoting refs from certain associations). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Roxy Hearts said: It was an absolute penalty! How can you not see that? Did he just fall or what was it you didn't see? It was. 100%. Who knew I would actually wish for VAR at the time. Edited October 17, 2021 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Don't know why everyone is saying VAR will fix this, who do you think will be sitting in the studio operating VAR, yes those same west coast bias refs, nothing will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, OTT said: I have a list of all of the cat 1 referees, I'm trying to figure out which association they belong to though, because I think that could be a good step in proving my theory, but you cannot find anywhere on the web where each one belongs to. I had hoped the facebook/twitter accounts might congratulate their members when they receive appointment as a cat 1 referee but there isn't anything. I am finding that the vast majority are west coast, but its kind of difficult to figure out which association. Does anyone have any ideas on how to go about it? (yes it might be a bit sad, but you cannot prove individual bias, but you could potentially prove that there is a culture of bias in only promoting refs from certain associations). All the refs places I listed are ex referees. Just pointing out that they used to have their location after their names Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Kiwidoug said: And Hearts to be 3-0 down at half time. I'm starting to worry. It could have been, easily but thankfully not. Only 1 down. Don't worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 10 hours ago, sadj said: Equating it to Porteous is lunacy , however with VAR it is a red I think , you can understand the ref giving it as a yellow though. Penalty im still it wasn’t. The Bacuna throat grab is a red and the fourth officials eyes were at worst 10cm away from it… Fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex MacDonald Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Sportscene going out of their way to ignore a clear Hearts penalty and a Rangers red card. First time I’ve seen them play the 2 penalty incidents in the background whilst discussing something else and not referring to them. Sutherland and his editorial team at it, and not being very discreet about it. I remember when Hearts won 1-0 at Fir Park in 2018, Sutherland focused immediately on whether Uche should’ve been sent off for the challenge that led to the winning goal, instead of commenting on Hearts being top of the league with a 100% record. What should we expect from a broadcaster within walking distance of both Ibrox and Parkhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: You could name the refs from where they were from Balfour Bonkle Dundee Rutherglen That first one would be Balfron I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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