Maroon Sailor Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-58904606 A police constable who took two packets of Jaffa Cakes from a charity stall without paying full price has been sacked from West Yorkshire Police. PC Chris Dwyer paid just 10p for two packets of the snacks from Halifax police station's canteen instead of the correct amount of £1. The 51-year-old also tried to "change and embellish" his story when quizzed about it, a misconduct hearing found. He was found guilty of gross misconduct and given an instant dismissal. The misconduct trial had heard the confectionery stall at Halifax police station - set up in aid of a charity trip to Uganda - sold crisps, chocolate and fizzy drinks priced at 50p each. PC Dwyer went to the tuck shop on 21 January and after putting some money in the cash tin, removed two packets of Jaffa Cakes, the panel heard. Afterwards, a colleague raised concerns about a potential underpayment by the officer and, when checked, the cash float was found to be only up by 10p. When questioned about the matter, PC Dwyer gave dishonest accounts and his evidence was "evasive and an attempt to reduce his culpability", the panel found. The officer, who joined West Yorkshire Police in 2017, had denied breaching police standards. He initially claimed he had put in five 20p pieces into the cash tin, but later said he could not remember the "exact denomination". 'Abuse of trust' Panel chairman Akbar Khan said PC Dwyer's actions were an "abuse of trust" and had brought "discredit on the police and the service". He added: "The officer is solely to blame for his own conduct, which was dishonest and of a criminal nature. "The nature of his dishonesty related to underpaying for items which proceeds were to support a charity to which he was fully aware." PC Dwyer was found to have breached West Yorkshire Police's professional standards in regard to integrity, honesty and discreditable conduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 That really takes the cake/biscuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 You can’t really blame. I do like a Jaffa Cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Reynolds Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Jaffa cakes are class. Would I chance losing my job for them? Probably.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Jambo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 29 minutes ago, Tazio said: You can’t really blame. I do like a Jaffa Cake. 25 minutes ago, LMc said: Jaffa cakes are class. Would I chance losing my job for them? Probably.... In the US I’d have the motivation but not the opportunity, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) If he can't be trusted to tell the truth about buying jaffa cakes from a charity stall, how can you trust him on police matters? Seems that West Yorkshire Police have robust standards. Edited October 14, 2021 by Cade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Are they biscuits ur cakes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 To be serious it’s a bit of a over reaction really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des Lynam Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, JamesM48 said: Are they biscuits ur cakes ? For tax purposes they are cakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpruceBringsteen Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Kill a black man? You're good. Rape a woman? Don't worry! Chore a biscuit? Jotters time. Great stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac_fae_Gillie Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1.. 51years old and only been in 4years police are taking some pretty old recruits. 2.. Stingy bugger.. 3..Moron.. If I only had 10p in change but wanted 2 packs for patrol duty etc I would have put the 10p in and made up difference later on its all he had to claim. 4..overreaction to offence.. even the lying about it, he got caught out and told a porky thats a natural reaction to such a minor offence. 5..The one who reported him, all they had to say was "Chris you stingy bugger 2 bob for 2 packs" and get him to cough up properly.seems odd issue to raise with bosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FWJ Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 “Copper sacked for theft and then lying about it” is another way of describing it. The detail that it was for charity adds another moral dimension to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuel Camazzola Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 6 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Are they biscuits ur cakes ? Cake. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Cade said: If he can't be trusted to tell the truth about buying jaffa cakes from a charity stall, how can you trust him on police matters? Seems that West Yorkshire Police have robust standards. Yup, fair play to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Given the recent dreadful press the police have been getting it's probably not a surprise they've gone this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Mac_fae_Gillie said: 1.. 51years old and only been in 4years police are taking some pretty old recruits. 2.. Stingy bugger.. 3..Moron.. If I only had 10p in change but wanted 2 packs for patrol duty etc I would have put the 10p in and made up difference later on its all he had to claim. 4..overreaction to offence.. even the lying about it, he got caught out and told a porky thats a natural reaction to such a minor offence. 5..The one who reported him, all they had to say was "Chris you stingy bugger 2 bob for 2 packs" and get him to cough up properly.seems odd issue to raise with bosses. P.C. McCabe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Slightly connected, does anyone know if these are any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weegranty Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, Mister T said: Slightly connected, does anyone know if these are any good? Tried them,not that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adambraejambo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, FinnBarr Saunders said: P.C. McCabe This reminds me when I was a night manager in a supermarket. Had one guy in the Bakery who started at 5AM who was basically just going through the motions. It takes ages to sack someone if they not actually doing much wrong at their job. My store manager had said months previously to keep a eye on this guy as he thought he was a bad influence on the younger staff. Picture the scene I doing my rounds at 6am. Papers out check. Deli set up check. Floors getting cleaned check. Butchers in and getting ready to start check. Bakery guy is in and has his trousers down around his ankles as he got close to a a fresh baked loaf of bread check....I coughed out loud as he got all panicked and pulled his trousers up. I knew I had ground to suspend him there and then but called my store manager and asked him if he was coming in on his day off. He told me to fk off but then I told his reason why I swear he was at the store within 20 mins. We got the guy in office to formally dismiss him. At the end when he was cleaning out locker and being escorted to the door he asked the security guard what would happen with the bread , asked it was getting thrown out could he keep it. I swear on my sons life that this is all true. OK on reflection it has nothing to do with the OP subject but felt I had to share. I have no idea what happened to the guy. I passed him up town about 8 yrs ago but he either never noticed me or he blanked me lol. Not going to mention what store but this was over 20 years ago as another Bakery guy was sacked for theft about 6 weeks after so would not want them to get mixed up. One wants to eat a loaf of bread the other wants to fk it haha. Sorry I have went off on one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Mister T said: Slightly connected, does anyone know if these are any good? Rubbish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 I think there has to be more to this copper's dismissal than just underpaying for Jaffa Cakes. I think he's maybe tried to have his cake and eat it on a number of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortyJambo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, adambraejambo said: This reminds me when I was a night manager in a supermarket. Had one guy in the Bakery who started at 5AM who was basically just going through the motions. It takes ages to sack someone if they not actually doing much wrong at their job. My store manager had said months previously to keep a eye on this guy as he thought he was a bad influence on the younger staff. Picture the scene I doing my rounds at 6am. Papers out check. Deli set up check. Floors getting cleaned check. Butchers in and getting ready to start check. Bakery guy is in and has his trousers down around his ankles as he got close to a a fresh baked loaf of bread check....I coughed out loud as he got all panicked and pulled his trousers up. I knew I had ground to suspend him there and then but called my store manager and asked him if he was coming in on his day off. He told me to fk off but then I told his reason why I swear he was at the store within 20 mins. We got the guy in office to formally dismiss him. At the end when he was cleaning out locker and being escorted to the door he asked the security guard what would happen with the bread , asked it was getting thrown out could he keep it. I swear on my sons life that this is all true. OK on reflection it has nothing to do with the OP subject but felt I had to share. I have no idea what happened to the guy. I passed him up town about 8 yrs ago but he either never noticed me or he blanked me lol. Not going to mention what store but this was over 20 years ago as another Bakery guy was sacked for theft about 6 weeks after so would not want them to get mixed up. One wants to eat a loaf of bread the other wants to fk it haha. Sorry I have went off on one. Hope it wasn't the same loaf of bread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adambraejambo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, PortyJambo said: Hope it wasn't the same loaf of bread! Haha I'm 93% certain it was thrown out. The chain of command was sometimes known to fail though. They were never the most organised. My job interview when I applied was from a staunch Rangets fan. He said Rangers or Celtic. He said close enough when I said Hearts. As I said well over 20 years ago but he was a dinosaur back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Mister T said: Slightly connected, does anyone know if these are any good? Huge disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjambo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: I think there has to be more to this copper's dismissal than just underpaying for Jaffa Cakes. I think he's maybe tried to have his cake and eat it on a number of things. Yeah, I don't quite get it. It looks as if they suspected him beforehand because who would have thought of counting up the money box before he bought the Jaffa cakes and then counting it up again afterwards? And how could they have suspected him in the first place unless he had previous or boasted about it (or perhaps they had just noticed the money box lacking the right money previously)? Bizarre. It really takes the biscuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 3 hours ago, weegranty said: Tried them,not that great. 2 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Rubbish 45 minutes ago, iantjambo said: Huge disappointment. It looks like it's a Jaffa Cake with a hole in the middle. Does it taste like a Jaffa Cake with a hole in the middle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Beni said: It looks like it's a Jaffa Cake with a hole in the middle. Does it taste like a Jaffa Cake with a hole in the middle? I like Jaffa Cakes but not these Jaffa Jonuts. Only tried them once and that was enough so I would say they are a poor alternative. Be interesting to know if they are selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 44 minutes ago, Beni said: It looks like it's a Jaffa Cake with a hole in the middle. Does it taste like a Jaffa Cake with a hole in the middle? They're poor. The sponge is very soft and not like a proper jaffa cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tazio said: They're poor. The sponge is very soft and not like a proper jaffa cake. From the pictures it looks like an orange sponge with some chocolate rather than a ring Jaffa cake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Almost certainly a case of they wanted him out and he gave them a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister T Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 43 minutes ago, Tazio said: They're poor. The sponge is very soft and not like a proper jaffa cake. That's settled it. I'll stick to the traditional ones or Aldi's jaffa fakes which are actually pretty good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Mister T said: Slightly connected, does anyone know if these are any good? 5 hours ago, weegranty said: Tried them,not that great. 4 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: Rubbish 2 hours ago, iantjambo said: Huge disappointment. 1 hour ago, Tazio said: They're poor. The sponge is very soft and not like a proper jaffa cake. As someone, who on occasion, has been known to tan a whole packet of Jaffa cakes in an evening, I concur with the above. They're shite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: I think there has to be more to this copper's dismissal than just underpaying for Jaffa Cakes. I think he's maybe tried to have his cake and eat it on a number of things. Yes, I think this is the one they could prove conclusively, and he has been sacked for the ones that they couldn't. At the end of the day they have got rid of one they consider to be a bad apple. They were just biding their time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, been here before said: As someone, who on occasion, has been known to tan a whole packet of Jaffa cakes in an evening, I concur with the above. They're shite. I remember the joy of first seeing them in a shop. Getting them home and tucking into them. I don’t think I’ll ever get over the disappointment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobmisterdobster Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 11 hours ago, SpruceBringsteen said: Kill a black man? You're good. Rape a woman? Don't worry! Chore a biscuit? Jotters time. Great stuff. Say what!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 14 hours ago, LMc said: Jaffa cakes are class. Would I chance losing my job for them? Probably.... I lost a job over a... 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: I like Jaffa Cakes but not these Jaffa Jonuts. Only tried them once and that was enough so I would say they are a poor alternative. Be interesting to know if they are selling. 1 hour ago, Tazio said: They're poor. The sponge is very soft and not like a proper jaffa cake. Cheers. I thought it was maybe just a variation on the 'make things smaller but charge the same price' trick that manufacturers use, but they've managed to balls up the recipe too. I won't be in a rush to try them going by the reviews. Hopefully the copper was sacked for pilfering original Jaffa Cakes. Imagine losing your job for 2 packets of these abominations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I assume he still gets his cop pension? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cade Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I still mind when Jaffa Cakes came in different flavours, lemon/lime was braw. I know some knock off shops like Poundland/B&M still do raspberry ones, or at least used to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, JackLadd said: I assume he still gets his cop pension? I’m sure it depends on the serious of the crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 14 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: I’m sure it depends on the amount of jaffa cakes. Better weigh up the evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamstomorrow Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 hours ago, JackLadd said: I assume he still gets his cop pension? I think I read that he had 5 years service. If true, his pension will not amount to much and he will have to wait till retiral age before he gets it. I know someone who retired from the polis with 20 years service. Their pension was low enough that it was not even liable to income tax. When they received their state pension, their work pension was then taxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Cade said: I still mind when Jaffa Cakes came in different flavours, lemon/lime was braw. I know some knock off shops like Poundland/B&M still do raspberry ones, or at least used to Get yourself to Tesco. On the back of this thread I bought some Jaffa cakes tonight and they now have different flavours of McVities like orange & cranberry, cherry, pineapple, and passion fruit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 hour ago, JackLadd said: Better weigh up the evidence. I couldn’t imagine Couzen will get a pension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: I couldn’t imagine Couzen will get a pension. Gets just over a third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, been here before said: Gets just over a third. I suppose because it’s your money that’s contributed to the pension you’ll get a pension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deodato Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 21 hours ago, Des Lynam said: For tax purposes they are cakes. Non-domiciles file them as biscuits. It avoids National Insurance. 8 hours ago, been here before said: As someone, who on occasion, has been known to tan a whole packet of Jaffa cakes in an evening, I concur with the above. They're shite. Worse still, they cause migraines. 13 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: I think he's maybe tried to have his cake and eat it on a number of things. Classy. Annoyingly, the spongey texture leaves few crumbs. Otherwise you could have gone for the Linekar tap in and say 'that's the way the cookie crumbles' and then get your coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 21 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Are they biscuits ur cakes ? Fruity tarts, tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, Morgan said: Fruity tarts, tbh. 😳 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 On 15/10/2021 at 11:16, redjambo said: Yeah, I don't quite get it. It looks as if they suspected him beforehand because who would have thought of counting up the money box before he bought the Jaffa cakes and then counting it up again afterwards? And how could they have suspected him in the first place unless he had previous or boasted about it (or perhaps they had just noticed the money box lacking the right money previously)? Bizarre. It really takes the biscuit. Yeah, this is what I'm thinking. My old work had a similar thing, 50p for crisps or sweeties etc. it was pretty standard for folk to take stuff and square up later when they had change or for folk to stick in a tenner and just periodically take stuff till their tenner ran out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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