Morgan Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Hi, I'm looking fo folks thoughts, and opinions, on how airbnb usually deal with complaints made by neighbours of flats and houses that are let out through them. There is an apartment block quite near our house, it has been very heavily occupied since May. There is a lot of noise and other anti-social behaviour. Ourselves, and some neighbours have decided that enough is enough and that we are going to report this to airbnb. I can’t find anything on the internet that gives any indication of how this company deals with these complaint. Can you help? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: I would suggest Airbnb is not your best starting point. It’s an apartment block so no guarantee those indulging in anti social behaviour are via air bnb. Unless you have specific evidence it’s related to Airbnb lets? I would suggest the best bet is local council or the French equivalent and get them to investigate the anti social. They will have way more authority to make things happen than some punter complaining in general sense. I understand that’s not the answer you will be looking for. Thanks for your reply. It was worded wrongly by me. There are a couple of apartments within the block that we know, for sure, are airbnb. I realised my error just after posting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 This is who you contact https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/private-housing/family-household-support-service/1 Diffrent numbers for each locality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 40 minutes ago, Lord BJ said: https://www.airbnb.com/neighbors The issue will be you will need to prove anti social behaviour is from Airbnb let’s not sure how easy that is unless you can identify the breaches are from their let’s. Would recommend the French version of what @JamesM48posted as started point. Hope you get it sorted👍 Oh yes I forgot Morgan lives in France 🇫🇷 ( lucky bugger) ! The link I gave only deals with Edinburgh complaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Morgan said: Hi, I'm looking fo folks thoughts, and opinions, on how airbnb usually deal with complaints made by neighbours of flats and houses that are let out through them. There is an apartment block quite near our house, it has been very heavily occupied since May. There is a lot of noise and other anti-social behaviour. Ourselves, and some neighbours have decided that enough is enough and that we are going to report this to airbnb. I can’t find anything on the internet that gives any indication of how this company deals with these complaint. Can you help? Thanks Take a bottle of vodka over and stop yer moaning, immigrant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 It is becoming a common complaint here, some of the time it is because of two house or domiciles owning. If traced heavy tax penalties are assessed on the second property being used as Airbnb. Nuisance complaints are also dealt with by Council, one problem is that numerous properties are owned by a non domiciled person so it is difficult to take action. Local council are a starting points, there are some places where stricter rules are being applied to offshore investors in housing projects, but it is a rising problem in todays offshore ownerships and I have not seen any comprehensive or satisfactory solution stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecN Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 AirBnB is the last place that will action any complaint successfully. They will basically 'spin' the outcome that the problem is yours and that the "Hosts" of the property are doing nothing wrong and are indeed supporting the local economy and bring many gains to your area/department. Second last place that will action a complaint is the owners/investors who actually fund the property. AirBnB as a company are as unethical as most of the Hosts who capitalise from mostly unregulated commercial activity. I'd expect the local council or equivalent in the region may be the starting point or try to find if there are other examples where action has been raised or maybe even focus groups in the area that can provide guidance on where to begin with a complaint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 12, 2021 Author Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 hours ago, jonnothejambo said: No advice mon ami but I hope you get it sorted. Italians per chance? Thanks.👍 French and Italian loudmouths. 7 hours ago, Lord BJ said: https://www.airbnb.com/neighbors The issue will be you will need to prove anti social behaviour is from Airbnb let’s not sure how easy that is unless you can identify the breaches are from their let’s. Would recommend the French version of what @JamesM48posted as started point. Hope you get it sorted👍 Thank you, BJ I take your comments on board. I appreciate your help. 6 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Oh yes I forgot Morgan lives in France 🇫🇷 ( lucky bugger) ! The link I gave only deals with Edinburgh complaints No problem, James. At least you tried to help, thank you. 5 hours ago, ri Alban said: Take a bottle of vodka over and stop yer moaning, immigrant. The vodka bit is the best suggestion I’ve had for a long time, ri. Have a few yourself, on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Morgan said: Thanks.👍 French and Italian loudmouths. Thank you, BJ I take your comments on board. I appreciate your help. No problem, James. At least you tried to help, thank you. The vodka bit is the best suggestion I’ve had for a long time, ri. Have a few yourself, on me. Air B and B anti social behaviour Is a massive issue in Edinburgh . Maybe the world over as those people only the place for a short period of time so aren’t bothered about creating a nuisance of themselves. id assume the local council would have some influence in dealing with those complaints ? Good luck anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Air B and B anti social behaviour Is a massive issue in Edinburgh . Maybe the world over as those people only the place for a short period of time so aren’t bothered about creating a nuisance of themselves. id assume the local council would have some influence in dealing with those complaints ? Good luck anyway I take it, Air bnb isn't regulated or licenced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, ri Alban said: I take it, Air bnb isn't regulated or licenced? Semi regulated . This article is interesting about Edinburgh city plans to ensure those renting out air B and B they may need planning permission . https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/hopeful-edinburgh-airbnb-hosts-could-21321527.amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Semi regulated . This article is interesting about Edinburgh city plans to ensure those renting out air B and B they may need planning permission . https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/hopeful-edinburgh-airbnb-hosts-could-21321527.amp 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 hour ago, JamesM48 said: Air B and B anti social behaviour Is a massive issue in Edinburgh . Maybe the world over as those people only the place for a short period of time so aren’t bothered about creating a nuisance of themselves. id assume the local council would have some influence in dealing with those complaints ? Good luck anyway We do use Airbnb a lot James in Scotland, England, Belgium and Spain/Canaries and we do try to respect others around us. Getting in from the pub to either sit in the flat or balcony we just put on Absolute Classic Rock at a very low volume. Only problems we've had with Airbnb have been in Brussels where twice we've had to live out of a suitcase because the drawers were full of someone elses clothes, like someone had moved out to allow us to rent it, bit weird like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Mid lockdown a couple of young local girls hired an Air BnB next to my house with the sole intention of having a party. The whole thing got out of control, police called, neighbours threatened, and police throwing people out in the middle of the night under threat of arrest. Then they wrecked the flat in the morning before they left, holes kicked in walls, furniture wrecked and a dining table thrown half way through the window of the first floor flat. It pisses me off having one next to me but no excuse for that kind of behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Boy Named Crow Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 6 hours ago, SecN said: AirBnB is the last place that will action any complaint successfully. They will basically 'spin' the outcome that the problem is yours and that the "Hosts" of the property are doing nothing wrong and are indeed supporting the local economy and bring many gains to your area/department. Second last place that will action a complaint is the owners/investors who actually fund the property. AirBnB as a company are as unethical as most of the Hosts who capitalise from mostly unregulated commercial activity. I'd expect the local council or equivalent in the region may be the starting point or try to find if there are other examples where action has been raised or maybe even focus groups in the area that can provide guidance on where to begin with a complaint. Maybe @Morgan should start by shopping them to the French equivalent of HMRC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 12 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said: Maybe @Morgan should start by shopping them to the French equivalent of HMRC... It’s funny you should say that. We are hoping against hope that the owner of the offending apartment is not declaring his income! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 16 hours ago, JamesM48 said: Air B and B anti social behaviour Is a massive issue in Edinburgh . Maybe the world over as those people only the place for a short period of time so aren’t bothered about creating a nuisance of themselves. id assume the local council would have some influence in dealing with those complaints ? Good luck anyway Cheers, James. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Being in the accommodation side of hospitality (my tuppence worth), there are more and more accommodation loopholes popping up all over the place and, the big hitters like booking.com are only interested in coining in the WONGA (15% commission per booking). There are a fair number of properties up here listed on booking.com but, you would walk by them and have no idea they were b & b’s/guest houses, no traditional sign out front etc….why? Well it’s much easier to bend the rules, no environmental agency spot checks, tax avoidance etc………these properties usually have a Mobil number for you to call when you are near to the property to allow some unscrupulous person to guide you to the actual house with a combination keypad outside to let yourself in. The same number to call if you have a problem etc….self service Buffett breakfast in the morning and, you never meet the owner with no actual face to face with anyone……...dodgy as tbh. I do believe some of these properties are rented to others by landlords then, advertised as accommodation lets (unknown to the landlord)….so, as long as people are looking for a cheap room from (insert any accommodation provider) the rogues out there will provide you with sub standard rooms…..complain all you want but you know what, they don’t care you won’t be back but someone else will. I use booking.com (works for me) and, when listing your property you go through a massive “tick box” exercise listing the facilities you have backed up by pictures but, you can just bluff it….booking.com won’t check, if it goes wrong your own your own. Id imagine many more are advertised on air b & b etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 hours ago, highlandjambo3 said: Being in the accommodation side of hospitality (my tuppence worth), there are more and more accommodation loopholes popping up all over the place and, the big hitters like booking.com are only interested in coining in the WONGA (15% commission per booking). There are a fair number of properties up here listed on booking.com but, you would walk by them and have no idea they were b & b’s/guest houses, no traditional sign out front etc….why? Well it’s much easier to bend the rules, no environmental agency spot checks, tax avoidance etc………these properties usually have a Mobil number for you to call when you are near to the property to allow some unscrupulous person to guide you to the actual house with a combination keypad outside to let yourself in. The same number to call if you have a problem etc….self service Buffett breakfast in the morning and, you never meet the owner with no actual face to face with anyone……...dodgy as tbh. I do believe some of these properties are rented to others by landlords then, advertised as accommodation lets (unknown to the landlord)….so, as long as people are looking for a cheap room from (insert any accommodation provider) the rogues out there will provide you with sub standard rooms…..complain all you want but you know what, they don’t care you won’t be back but someone else will. I use booking.com (works for me) and, when listing your property you go through a massive “tick box” exercise listing the facilities you have backed up by pictures but, you can just bluff it….booking.com won’t check, if it goes wrong your own your own. Id imagine many more are advertised on air b & b etc. Do you have a sign outside HJ3? Only asking because I seem to remember you saying you had a keysafe, did a buffet breakfast and never had to meet guests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 On 12/10/2021 at 14:23, Morgan said: Hi, I'm looking fo folks thoughts, and opinions, on how airbnb usually deal with complaints made by neighbours of flats and houses that are let out through them. There is an apartment block quite near our house, it has been very heavily occupied since May. There is a lot of noise and other anti-social behaviour. Ourselves, and some neighbours have decided that enough is enough and that we are going to report this to airbnb. I can’t find anything on the internet that gives any indication of how this company deals with these complaint. Can you help? Thanks Flit. Heard some proper horror stories. Good luck getting any joy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Savage Vince said: Flit. Heard some proper horror stories. Good luck getting any joy. 🙄 Thankfully Vince, it’s not that close to our small villa that we would find that necessary, although we do hear some of their noise. It’s the year-round residents in the apartment block that we feel sorry for. We are going to contact the police and the town hall, in the first instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Morgan said: 🙄 Thankfully Vince, it’s not that close to our small villa that we would find that necessary, although we do hear some of their noise. It’s the year-round residents in the apartment block that we feel sorry for. We are going to contact the police and the town hall, in the first instance. I know of a group of people who went to a big house in the countryside recently for a weekender. Two of them (separate cars) drove into the grounds of the nearby house by mistake. The owners practically begged them not to go mental over the weekend saying their life was now a misery. Every weekend was mayhem. The owners of the other house further up the drive visited in the morning after the first night. 12 cars in the driveway of a 5 bedroom house and 8 of then were in the hot tub at 9am, reeking drunk and blasting tunes out. The lady from the other house was in tears. A few of them felt bad and reigned it in. Noone else gave a toss. Apparently its been like that for two years, including both lockdowns and noone cares. Edited October 13, 2021 by Savage Vince Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Morgan said: 🙄 Thankfully Vince, it’s not that close to our small villa that we would find that necessary, although we do hear some of their noise. It’s the year-round residents in the apartment block that we feel sorry for. We are going to contact the police and the town hall, in the first instance. Small villa my arse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, Savage Vince said: I know of a group of people who went to a big house in the countryside recently for a weekender. Two of them (separate cars) drove into the grounds of the nearby house by mistake. The owners practically begged them not to go mental over the weekend saying their life was now a misery. Every weekend was mayhem. The owners of the other house further up the drive visited in the morning after the first night. 12 cars in the driveway of a 5 bedroom house and 8 of then were in the hot tub at 9am, reeking drunk and blasting tunes out. The lady from the other house was in tears. A few of them felt bad and reigned it in. Noone else gave a toss. Apparently its been like that for two years, including both lockdowns and noone cares. Are you referring to the big place just outside West Linton ? Pretty sure its rented out through airbnb, and sleeps about 20. That place has made it on to the radio news a few times recently due to all night parties and the mess they leave iaround the village. A few local residents have been trying for months to get them or the police or the council to get a grip on it. Whether deliberate or not, airbnb seems to have attracted a clientele consisting of rogue property owners and Ibiza nightclubbers. Hope you get some resolution to your situation,@Morgan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Vince Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Lone Striker said: Are you referring to the big place just outside West Linton ? Pretty sure its rented out through airbnb, and sleeps about 20. That place has made it on to the radio news a few times recently due to all night parties and the mess they leave iaround the village. A few local residents have been trying for months to get them or the police or the council to get a grip on it. Whether deliberate or not, airbnb seems to have attracted a clientele consisting of rogue property owners and Ibiza nightclubbers. Hope you get some resolution to your situation,@Morgan No pal, the place I was on about is out by Dumbarton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Lone Striker said: Are you referring to the big place just outside West Linton ? Pretty sure its rented out through airbnb, and sleeps about 20. That place has made it on to the radio news a few times recently due to all night parties and the mess they leave iaround the village. A few local residents have been trying for months to get them or the police or the council to get a grip on it. Whether deliberate or not, airbnb seems to have attracted a clientele consisting of rogue property owners and Ibiza nightclubbers. Hope you get some resolution to your situation,@Morgan Oi, I'm 60 and sitting listening to Absolute Classic Rock just now. I'm as far from an Ibiza nightclubber as you can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Striker Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Savage Vince said: No pal, the place I was on about is out by Dumbarton. Ah ok. 👍 Similar situation though, it sounds like. I can't understand why an owner of a big house would risk letting it out to the airbnb sort of folks * who are likely to trash the place and cause a nuisance to locals. Most holiday house letting companies have it in their T&C that you'll be charged for breakages, extra cleaning etc - and no parties !! * apart from @FinnBarr Saunders obviously...... when he's not playing rock music at full volume anyway. 🧐😃 Edited October 13, 2021 by Lone Striker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, FinnBarr Saunders said: Small villa my arse 😆 I wish! 1 hour ago, Lone Striker said: Are you referring to the big place just outside West Linton ? Pretty sure its rented out through airbnb, and sleeps about 20. That place has made it on to the radio news a few times recently due to all night parties and the mess they leave iaround the village. A few local residents have been trying for months to get them or the police or the council to get a grip on it. Whether deliberate or not, airbnb seems to have attracted a clientele consisting of rogue property owners and Ibiza nightclubbers. Hope you get some resolution to your situation,@Morgan Cheers LS, I appreciate that. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, FinnBarr Saunders said: Small villa my arse thats the staff quarters, morgan would not lower himself to something that small Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Don't take this the wrong way. But millions of people go on holiday each year. And if folk would like to to run a business using their homes, 🤔 and using the income to live in a country which attracts visitors. Well, good on them, just not next to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 12 hours ago, FinnBarr Saunders said: Do you have a sign outside HJ3? Only asking because I seem to remember you saying you had a keysafe, did a buffet breakfast and never had to meet guests. Course I do. I had to adapt during the lockdown so I did provide a “hands off” service for key workers. All back to normal (ish) now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 12 hours ago, Savage Vince said: I know of a group of people who went to a big house in the countryside recently for a weekender. Two of them (separate cars) drove into the grounds of the nearby house by mistake. The owners practically begged them not to go mental over the weekend saying their life was now a misery. Every weekend was mayhem. The owners of the other house further up the drive visited in the morning after the first night. 12 cars in the driveway of a 5 bedroom house and 8 of then were in the hot tub at 9am, reeking drunk and blasting tunes out. The lady from the other house was in tears. A few of them felt bad and reigned it in. Noone else gave a toss. Apparently its been like that for two years, including both lockdowns and noone cares. I know how to blow shit up…………………….drop me a line 😂. Any feds looking in, in joking of course….ain’t I 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 6 hours ago, ri Alban said: Don't take this the wrong way. But millions of people go on holiday each year. And if folk would like to to run a business using their homes, 🤔 and using the income to live in a country which attracts visitors. Well, good on them, just not next to me. That is a valid point, but the problem we have here is people in an Asian country buy houses here as an investment, and await a period of high Real Estate prices. In the waiting period some have made these investment properties Air B&B, so other than the rental agency there is no ready source to complain to if misbehavior is occurring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted October 14, 2021 Author Share Posted October 14, 2021 18 hours ago, Lord BJ said: @Morganany update on progress of addressing issue? Hi BJ, thanks for asking. We have contacted three different bodies, still waiting on replies. We have found out that the offending apartment block is run by a syndicate. We have asked them if they are aware that at least two of the apartments are being used by airbnb for short-term leases. We think they won’t as it is apparently against their rules. We have written to the Mairie at the Town Hall and we have written to the Police. I will let you know if, and when, any responses are received. Morgan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecN Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 It's against the rules in most places for residential properties to be used commercially. Modern (and likely old) Title Deeds are usually restrictive of such activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, SecN said: It's against the rules in most places for residential properties to be used commercially. Modern (and likely old) Title Deeds are usually restrictive of such activity. Might be but who's policing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 12 hours ago, SecN said: It's against the rules in most places for residential properties to be used commercially. Modern (and likely old) Title Deeds are usually restrictive of such activity. Of course its against the rules but it’s still going on…….on a fairly large scale……..chances of getting caught are low. Here’s how: I rent a 4 bedroom house from a landlord at £XX per month, I then list the property on air b & b / booking.com making sure I don’t actually post any external building pictures or, give any external incline that it’s a guest property. Combination box with a front door key and my contact phone number on the front door. Make sure I post loads of good pictures online (see below) and it’s WONGA time. Of course I do have to go and change rooms, top up continental buffet etc…….but, I can always pay someone to do this. Later when I’m feeling flush, I can actually bump the landlord for a few months rent, string them along a bit whilst still letting out the property to guests……keep taking as many bookings as I can until I’m sussed, keep checking people in via Mobil phone until such time as the landlord twigs and changes the front door lock. Peak tourist time is May-September £60 per room per night £240 per day £36k ish….that’s 1 property……now, how many properties could I manage 💰💰💰 So, at the point of being sussed, what will happen is unsuspecting guests show up at the property but they can’t get in and call me to say there is no combination box on the front door………I reply “dam I’ve been sussed” Chuck away my phone and then move onto the next landlord……..simple. Show this information to a like minded person and the risk suddenly becomes acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecN Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 Now we have the local council elections 2022 out the way, is the newly elected Edinburgh council now going to work towards getting Airbnb under control in the city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ray Gin Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) Living Rent is currently running a petition against Holiday Lets in Edinburgh with a closing date of 22 December if anyone is interested: "Sign below and endorse our demands for: Restrictions on short term lets in residential areas, in quiet areas, in shared stairwells, in large properties, in properties with a shared garden, and where there would be an adverse effect on parking. Further restrictions on short term lets to help maintain the availability of housing, particularly of accessible housing and of smaller properties to help tackle under occupancy in the city. Proper enforcement mechanisms and meaningful penalties for landlords who operate short term lets unlawfully. For this guidance to be implemented as quickly as possible to prevent landlords evading upcoming regulation." https://www.livingrent.org/homes_not_holiday_lets_2022 Edited December 18, 2022 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the posh bit Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 On 15/10/2021 at 09:41, highlandjambo3 said: Of course its against the rules but it’s still going on…….on a fairly large scale……..chances of getting caught are low. Here’s how: I rent a 4 bedroom house from a landlord at £XX per month, I then list the property on air b & b / booking.com making sure I don’t actually post any external building pictures or, give any external incline that it’s a guest property. Combination box with a front door key and my contact phone number on the front door. Make sure I post loads of good pictures online (see below) and it’s WONGA time. Of course I do have to go and change rooms, top up continental buffet etc…….but, I can always pay someone to do this. Later when I’m feeling flush, I can actually bump the landlord for a few months rent, string them along a bit whilst still letting out the property to guests……keep taking as many bookings as I can until I’m sussed, keep checking people in via Mobil phone until such time as the landlord twigs and changes the front door lock. Peak tourist time is May-September £60 per room per night £240 per day £36k ish….that’s 1 property……now, how many properties could I manage 💰💰💰 So, at the point of being sussed, what will happen is unsuspecting guests show up at the property but they can’t get in and call me to say there is no combination box on the front door………I reply “dam I’ve been sussed” Chuck away my phone and then move onto the next landlord……..simple. Show this information to a like minded person and the risk suddenly becomes acceptable. I wouldn't stay there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notts1874 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Signed, even as a non Edinburgh resident. I had a great discussion about a year ago outside the Co-op on Dalry Rd with a group that were campaigning against against short term lets etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 On 15/10/2021 at 09:41, highlandjambo3 said: Of course its against the rules but it’s still going on…….on a fairly large scale……..chances of getting caught are low. Here’s how: I rent a 4 bedroom house from a landlord at £XX per month, I then list the property on air b & b / booking.com making sure I don’t actually post any external building pictures or, give any external incline that it’s a guest property. Combination box with a front door key and my contact phone number on the front door. Make sure I post loads of good pictures online (see below) and it’s WONGA time. Of course I do have to go and change rooms, top up continental buffet etc…….but, I can always pay someone to do this. Later when I’m feeling flush, I can actually bump the landlord for a few months rent, string them along a bit whilst still letting out the property to guests……keep taking as many bookings as I can until I’m sussed, keep checking people in via Mobil phone until such time as the landlord twigs and changes the front door lock. Peak tourist time is May-September £60 per room per night £240 per day £36k ish….that’s 1 property……now, how many properties could I manage 💰💰💰 So, at the point of being sussed, what will happen is unsuspecting guests show up at the property but they can’t get in and call me to say there is no combination box on the front door………I reply “dam I’ve been sussed” Chuck away my phone and then move onto the next landlord……..simple. Show this information to a like minded person and the risk suddenly becomes acceptable. Personally, i'd never book an Airbnb/Vrbo without an outside pic. Balcony or terrace is always a must too in warmer climes (no Nairn). If you look through reviews on Airbnb/Vrbo someone will slip in the address to allow you a google street view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
il Duce McTarkin Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Ray Gin said: Living Rent is currently running a petition against Holiday Lets in Edinburgh with a closing date of 22 December if anyone is interested: "Sign below and endorse our demands for: Restrictions on short term lets in residential areas, in quiet areas, in shared stairwells, in large properties, in properties with a shared garden, and where there would be an adverse effect on parking. Further restrictions on short term lets to help maintain the availability of housing, particularly of accessible housing and of smaller properties to help tackle under occupancy in the city. Proper enforcement mechanisms and meaningful penalties for landlords who operate short term lets unlawfully. For this guidance to be implemented as quickly as possible to prevent landlords evading upcoming regulation." https://www.livingrent.org/homes_not_holiday_lets_2022 Signed, cheers. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, the posh bit said: I wouldn't stay there. Eh? Wouldn’t stay where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, the posh bit said: I wouldn't stay there. Where? Where wouldn’t you stay? It’s not like you are posh, or anything. 🤓 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Do NOT book air b&b (currently)…..it’s being put through the mangler to sort out its (current) problems…….i am sure it will come good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, highlandjambo3 said: Eh? Wouldn’t stay where? Any air b & b property’s …… the pictures are my place…..where you would stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandjambo3 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 You know what I’ve seen in the hospitality industry since I opened a guest house ( about 12 years with absolutely no experience). Punters want the lowest price then complain It’s shit….yes of of course…….McD’s don’t do filet steak…….if you want a single room for £25 you’ll find one….it will be a bed & breakfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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