August Landmesser Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 If we can do whatever we can to get this into the bin, then let's do it. A dogshit concept. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58765745 Scottish Premiership clubs will meet next week to discuss the introduction of VAR for all top-tier matches and latter rounds of cup competitions. The Scottish FA and SPFL will co-host a video conference from Hampden on 8 October. Howard Webb, who refereed the 2010 World Cup final, will deliver a presentation on the technology. The SFA is prepared to underwrite the training costs for match officials. "VAR is here to stay and in a short period its implementation has advanced significantly, while its set-up and maintenance costs have reduced," said SFA chief executive Ian Maxwell. "We are now at the point where we need to discuss and ideally agree on its introduction into Scottish football." VAR was written into the Laws of the Game by the International Football Association Board in 2018 and used at the World Cup in the same year. It was used throughout the delayed Euro 2020 finals, including the four matches played at Hampden Park, and is deployed in nearly 50 leagues across the world. "Now that there has been a meaningful bedding-in period in several leagues, it is a good time to look again at the benefits of the technology," said SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster. "We are keen to hear the views of the clubs, officials and fans and look forward to discussions over the next few months." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Caine Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) VAR based in Glasgow, a west of Scotland ref with the same shortcomings as all the other refs. The same nit picky excuses brought out for disallowing non OF goals. Great. Can't wait. Edit: yes I can wait. Edited October 1, 2021 by Horatio Caine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Landmesser Posted October 1, 2021 Author Share Posted October 1, 2021 I'm fully on board with goal-line tech - that works, and is instant. VAR though? What a lot of shite - ruins the spontaneity of goal celebrations, takes the fun out the game, and ultimately it still relies on a ref making a choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 VAR should work and work really well. But its shit. I prefer BAR to VAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphonseCapone Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 It's going to happen eventually, might as well accept that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I have no idea of the additional expense this will piut on our game, but in theory I'm all for it. However, year on year our officials get worse and worse. I literally have no faith in them to administer VAR effectively. If EPL have issues with the abundance with money, where do our incompetents to go with this plan. Yours already demoralised, TB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo na hÉireann Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 If this took important refereeing decisions out of the game, and placed them in the hands of effective AI tech, then I'd be all for it. Unfortunately, it doesn't. It just gives referees more time to come to ridiculous conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, AlphonseCapone said: It's going to happen eventually, might as well accept that fact. Think this is true . Plus point is the operation of VAR seems a whole lot better now than previously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1953 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 VAR, if worked properly, makes sure that the big decisions are correct so I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyjam Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 VAR has improved a lot recently (esp Euros) and is now used in a wide variety of sports at the top level. Would also suggest that the constant interpretation and changing of the rules i.e. hand ball/offside/phase of play over the last couple of years has not helped the referees much, and has lead to a delay in decisions being made. There are significant benefits to the game when using VAR, such as diving has all but been eliminated, players no longer abusing referees on the pitch and a reduction in the number offsides (helps game flow). It's going to come and the sooner we accept it the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub4TiddlerMurray Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Celtic, Rangers and Hibs have benefitted from dodgy decisions that VAR (in theory) would’ve overturned. I’m all for it if it helps to reduce the impact of Scottish refs old firm bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 The arse cheeks are guaranteed to vote against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirlo Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 For goal line technology and offside I'm in favour but in the case of penalties only where the referee has made a very clear error in awarding a penalty. The worst effect of VAR has been to intervene to award lots of really soft penalties - which just spoils the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I'm not keen on it but it has to be implemented up here. Refs up here are absymal and need calling out. That said I don't have any confidence those reviewing VAR would be much better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambo-in-furness Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 If this comes in it will only be a “clear and obvious” error is when if favours the Uglies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His name is Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I'd be happy to live with VAR of it meant the usual old firm decisions getting picked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyces beard Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I can imagine the GFA all chomping at the bit to award one of the bum cheeks a penalty because Beni farted in the direction of one of there players while the corner was being taken. wont change a thing imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 VAR has been horrendous. Get it to ****. If anything it will give them even more decisions than they already get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Understand the scepticism BUT videos of VAR calls will be public so even if it starts as being west coast bias it won’t stay that way for long due to public scrutiny. I don’t have the same scepticism. Scottish football needs VAR. Over time it will be beneficial to non-OF teams. I guarantee that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpruceBringsteen Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I've got a bridge to sell anyone who thinks this would hinder the old form in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rods Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Celtic and Rangers will knock this back. They are the biggest beneficiaries of incorrect or "missed decisions" The only issue would be if we mess it up like the EPL did last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I'm in favour of goaline technology but not VAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Cruyff said: VAR has been horrendous. Get it to ****. If anything it will give them even more decisions than they already get. Typical insular Scottish attitude. We need change, modernisation and innovation in many areas of Scottish football - unfortunately for you moving forward all top pro leagues will have VAR so get used to it buddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Just now, luckydug said: I'm in favour of goaline technology but not VAR. But but but it could be biased in favour of the old firm and our goal in the Cup Final could have been voided by the Weedgie gang…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Just now, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Typical insular Scottish attitude. We need change, modernisation and innovation in many areas of Scottish football - unfortunately for you moving forward all top pro leagues will have VAR so get used to it buddy. Absolute pish. English fans hate VAR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Understand the scepticism BUT videos of VAR calls will be public so even if it starts as being west coast bias it won’t stay that way for long due to public scrutiny. I don’t have the same scepticism. Scottish football needs VAR. Over time it will be beneficial to non-OF teams. I guarantee that. Replays are public ya plonker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 "Now that there has been a meaningful bedding-in period in several leagues, it is a good time to look again at the benefits of the technology," said SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster. "We are keen to hear the views of the clubs, officials and couldn't gave a shiny shite what the fans think and look forward to discussions over the next few months." Fixed that for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Never mind VAR how about linesmen raise the flag for an off side, rather than waiting until the ball is in the net? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, August Landmesser said: I'm fully on board with goal-line tech - that works, and is instant. VAR though? What a lot of shite - ruins the spontaneity of goal celebrations, takes the fun out the game, and ultimately it still relies on a ref making a choice completely agree. Seen it in action down here and it sucks the life from the game. Unfortunately I suspect the ship has sailed and it's only a matter of time before it is foisted on us, that being the case at the very least I'd like to know that in another break from tradition that it is free from bias or favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1971fozzy Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Jambo na hÉireann said: If this took important refereeing decisions out of the game, and placed them in the hands of effective AI tech, then I'd be all for it. Unfortunately, it doesn't. It just gives referees more time to come to ridiculous conclusions. pretty much sums up my feelings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1874robbo Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Rangers and Celtic would hate it, which means I’m all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Keep VAR out of Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Replays are public ya plonker. Not in the same way that VAR is and you know it. Ya plonker 🙄 Edited October 1, 2021 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, 1953 said: VAR, if worked properly, makes sure that the big decisions are correct so I'm all for it. 'if worked properly' In England currently it only changes 'clear and obvious mistakes' so for example clear penalties don't get given if they think the referee couldn't see it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, stirlo said: For goal line technology and offside I'm in favour but in the case of penalties only where the referee has made a very clear error in awarding a penalty. The worst effect of VAR has been to intervene to award lots of really soft penalties - which just spoils the game. The worst effect currently in England is that clear penalties aren't given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Not in the same way that VAR is and you know it. Ya plonker 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hard boiled eggs and nuts Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Have long since lost any interest in the EPL, VAR extinguished any remaining flicker of interest for me. For the armchair fan and pundits to froth over. All for the game progressing, but this is awful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hard boiled eggs and nuts said: Have long since lost any interest in the EPL, VAR extinguished any remaining flicker of interest for me. For the armchair fan and pundits to froth over. All for the game progressing, but this is awful! Ditto, it became ridiculous when they started calling offsides because a players toenail is over the line and giving pens because the balls it someone's pinky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a11ank Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 One thing it should sort out is the predominace to lose footing in the opposition box whilst wearing a hibs top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Celtic mid table and VAR starts getting banded about. Get it to **** where it belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hard boiled eggs and nuts Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Ditto, it became ridiculous when they started calling offsides because a players toenail is over the line and giving pens because the balls it someone's pinky. Exactly Cruyff, this isn’t about seeing football “ in days gone by” through rose tinted specs, this will ultimately destroy/ruin the game for the paying pundit, VAR is not for their benefit. Edited October 1, 2021 by Hard boiled eggs and nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Ditto, it became ridiculous when they started calling offsides because a players toenail is over the line and giving pens because the balls it someone's pinky. That's the use of VAR rather than VAR itself tho. I'm all for it if it was used the same way it was in the euros. It's also happening anyway, so we may as well get on board with it. It also creates another issue in terms of the part time clubs and their status as pro clubs. It might eventually lead to 2x ft leagues and then regionals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hard boiled eggs and nuts Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 28 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: That's the use of VAR rather than VAR itself tho. I'm all for it if it was used the same way it was in the euros. It's also happening anyway, so we may as well get on board with it. It also creates another issue in terms of the part time clubs and their status as pro clubs. It might eventually lead to 2x ft leagues and then regionals. I agree it will happen eventually, unfortunately, but to the detriment of the level playing field we currently enjoy in the game we have, to appease the modern day glitz, glamour and razzmatazz fanboys/ girls, press, sky tv brigade etc etc, detrimental to the origins of the simple game, a real shame for this old dinosaur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phage Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I'm all for VAR, Scotland needs the correct decisions more than any other league in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: A replay is shown after the match and may be used to criticise the ref but always has the excuse “he didn’t get to see this replay at the time” With VAR the replays are shown in real time with the specific purpose of a decision being reviewed. They are also shown in real time (during televised matches at least). Point being refs aren’t accountable during the game for replays in Scottish games but would be re VAR replays so they are not at all the same thing. Do you get it now? Edited October 1, 2021 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 It all depends on how they implement it. Going by England none of the controversial decisions last weekend would have been changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Jambo Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I’m not a fan of VAR at all. The idea of waiting before properly celebrating a goal detracts from the enjoyment. But regardless of your views on it, the notion of introducing it up here (at vast expense) where we don’t even have full time refs and top flight teams play on fake pitches, seems a bit daft. Particularly when we keep hearing how little spare cash there is in Scottish football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I really don't want VAR in Scotland. Almost every week in England they still get decisions badly wrong and it's only as good as the person sitting in a studio somewhere who will also be biased no doubt! Referees make mistakes but I don't think the majority are as bad these days as the times of Dallas, Valentine and Syme etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 49 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: A replay is shown after the match and may be used to criticise the ref but always has the excuse “he didn’t get to see this replay at the time” With VAR the replays are shown in real time with the specific purpose of a decision being reviewed. They are also shown in real time (during televised matches at least). Point being refs aren’t accountable during the game for replays in Scottish games but would be re VAR replays so they are not at all the same thing. Do you get it now? Incorrect because not every decision missed goes to VAR but those decisions would be seen by the public via a replay, thus making no difference whatsoever whether or not referees are more or less accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: Incorrect because not every decision missed goes to VAR but those decisions would be seen by the public via a replay, thus making no difference whatsoever whether or not referees are more or less accountable. Information has been available in England after games about the reasoning behind decisions. Don't expect that in Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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