Boris Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: Nope, won’t be taking it for reasons of my own. Also doesn’t stop you getting it or help with symptoms, or eliminate it. Being told I can’t go back to Tynecastle because of a personal choice is pretty far from being a free country. If I had the flu I would still be able to go though. Seems legit It does help with symptoms, that's on the record. The vaccine has limited the amount of hospitalisations and ICU intakes and, ultimately, deaths. Feel free to have your reasons, but the common good outweighs your libertarian bollocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: Nope, won’t be taking it for reasons of my own. Also doesn’t stop you getting it or help with symptoms, or eliminate it. Being told I can’t go back to Tynecastle because of a personal choice is pretty far from being a free country. If I had the flu I would still be able to go though. Seems legit Well don't bother the NHS if you end up fecked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Boris said: It does help with symptoms, that's on the record. The vaccine has limited the amount of hospitalisations and ICU intakes and, ultimately, deaths. Feel free to have your reasons, but the common good outweighs your libertarian bollocks. My libertarian bollocks 😂😂 no bother aptly named poster. it does not help with symptoms as people are still being infected after being vaccinated and experiencing the same symptoms as those not. Majority of population vaccinated and yet cases still rising hmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 What a performance from Ronaldo, wonder if he's jagged 🤣 no jags no play should be the LAW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ93 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Getting my first one on Friday almost entirely so I can travel without even more annoyance than this pandemic has already caused. Unsure if I have had covid - am genuinely intrigued to get an anti-body test too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Well don't bother the NHS if you end up fecked. Do you live a life of virtue? Do you know the posters reasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, ri Alban said: Well don't bother the NHS if you end up fecked. Funnily enough I have grown up and been brought up in a country where there is free health care, so if I’m ill I shouldn’t bother the NHS because you’re angry I’m choosing to not be vaccinated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 35 minutes ago, Sid said: Hope so. But do we let people die to get there? Boris started with that then bottled it. Vaccination SHOULD contribute towards herd immunity but reduce deaths. It’s not black and white but saving lives seems to outdo quicker heed immunity? Until the vaccine came along, allowing covid to "let rip", as Johnson put it, would've seen many more deaths particularly amongst the most vulnerable. Are we really a society that could stand by and watch that happen? They say herd immunity needs 80%+ vaccination/infection to be successful, hence wait for the vaccine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoGwash Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: My libertarian bollocks 😂😂 no bother aptly named poster. it does not help with symptoms as people are still being infected after being vaccinated and experiencing the same symptoms as those not. Majority of population vaccinated and yet cases still rising hmmmm Your ignorance on this subject is quite staggering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinKyle10 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, McCrae said: We are very lucky that a vaccine was created so quickly… it’s not always the case….AIDS being a very real example. Wait til you find out they make a Covid vaccine every year, it’ll blow your mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: My libertarian bollocks 😂😂 no bother aptly named poster. it does not help with symptoms as people are still being infected after being vaccinated and experiencing the same symptoms as those not. Majority of population vaccinated and yet cases still rising hmmmm So why are hospitalisations lower than first two waves? If that's not proof of the mitigation vaccination provides, not sure what other proof you need? Also, think I read, majority of new cases are in the young/non vaccinated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ked said: Do you live a life of virtue? Do you know the posters reasons? No, and yes, he's a bit of a dumbass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Boris said: So why are hospitalisations lower than first two waves? If that's not proof of the mitigation vaccination provides, not sure what other proof you need? Also, think I read, majority of new cases are in the young/non vaccinated? Great! Hospitalisations are lower, that’s great news. But infections are still higher than they have been. So why am I being denied entry into a football game against a personal choice of not wanting something in my body, which doesn’t stop infection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, Boris said: So why are hospitalisations lower than first two waves? If that's not proof of the mitigation vaccination provides, not sure what other proof you need? Also, think I read, majority of new cases are in the young/non vaccinated? If this is the case it surely means the vaccines have work by saving the old and obese who are most at risk, job done let's get on with life. Or there could be a plan being played out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Absolute Scenes said: Great! Hospitalisations are lower, that’s great news. But infections are still higher than they have been. So why am I being denied entry into a football game against a personal choice of not wanting something in my body, which doesn’t stop infection? Your first sentence answers your final question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, escobri said: If this is the case it surely means the vaccines have work by saving the old and obese who are most at risk, job done let's get on with life. Or there could be a plan being played out. Oh **** off. Are you really that obtuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Paulo Sergio Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, escobri said: If this is the case it surely means the vaccines have work by saving the old and obese who are most at risk, job done let's get on with life. Or there could be a plan being played out. Vaccinated but agree entirely. It's time to move on, covid isn't going away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Boris said: Oh **** off. Are you really that obtuse? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, escobri said: No You sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Boris said: Oh **** off. Are you really that obtuse? I'm quite acute actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwell Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Double vaccinated but for some reason won't let me vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bring Back Paulo Sergio said: Vaccinated but agree entirely. It's time to move on, covid isn't going away. The more that are vaccinated, the more we can move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selkirkhmfc1874 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Double jabbed with AZ and no side effects whatsoever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, Boris said: The more that are vaccinated, the more we can move on. 1 jag, 2 jag, 3 jag more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, ri Alban said: No, and yes, he's a bit of a dumbass. Do you smoke,drink ,drive ,walk home drunk,eat fatty foods etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, escobri said: I'm quite acute actually I await your Darwin award nomination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: Nope, won’t be taking it for reasons of my own. Also doesn’t stop you getting it or help with symptoms, or eliminate it. Being told I can’t go back to Tynecastle because of a personal choice is pretty far from being a free country. If I had the flu I would still be able to go though. Seems legit Your body, your choice. Vaccines mitigate but don't wholly eliminate the risk. By choosing not to get vaccinated you are putting others around you at increased risk, that isn't fair on them. The club has a duty of care to it's customers - by not being vaccinated you are negating that at least to some extent. The club are also free to decide who or who not to admit just as you were free to make a choice in the first place - to suggest that you are entitled to have a choice but the club are not is illogical. If you have flu you shouldn't go to the game and spread your germs, it's an incredibly self centered and selfish thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, escobri said: 1 jag, 2 jag, 3 jag more? The more people that are vaccinated, obviously not acute enough to get the inference. Don't blame yourself though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, Boris said: I await your Darwin award nomination. Do what you want it's a free country, oh wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chong Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Sorry to stick this here. Having been banned from even viewing the other thread on this subject (now in the shed) for stating the obvious I'd best say nothing but to whomever banned me know this, I've worked continuously throughout this pandemic, not one day off. I've seen through all the need for fake praise or worship for every single person in my profession - I work in care for a reason (not financial nor ego driven) but the sad thing is you are likely the same idiot(s) out shaking and banging their little pots and pans on a Thursday at 7pm for acknowledgment of "the heroes" for about 6 weeks. Now the very same people are deciding that I shouldn't head to Tynecastle or even put up an opinion or view on a forum for discussions around the topics brought up. I think it's mutating into totalitarianism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Just now, Japan Jambo said: Your body, your choice. Vaccines mitigate but don't wholly eliminate the risk. By choosing not to get vaccinated you are putting others around you at increased risk, that isn't fair on them. The club has a duty of care to it's customers - by not being vaccinated you are negating that at least to some extent. The club are also free to decide who or who not to admit just as you were free to make a choice in the first place - to suggest that you are entitled to have a choice but the club are not is illogical. If you have flu you shouldn't go to the game and spread your germs, it's an incredibly self centered and selfish thing to do. That is a balanced point and one that you put across well, the club would be within their right to choose. I wouldn’t be happy about not going , but also wouldn’t change my decision based on football games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kdogg Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Watched an interview last night with the virologist who was instrumental in engineering the MRNA method of vaccine delivery. He stated the governments of the world are absolutely doing the wrong thing in vaccinating the masses. He stated that vaccinating everyone en masse would lead to the virus mutating as it seeks to survive. Exactly what is happening with the new variants. Sure there will be another variant along soon. He probably doesn’t know what he’s talking about though. He only designed the thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 I am increasingly uncomfortable with the measures that are being ser in law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Japan Jambo said: Your body, your choice. Vaccines mitigate but don't wholly eliminate the risk. By choosing not to get vaccinated you are putting others around you at increased risk, that isn't fair on them. The club has a duty of care to it's customers - by not being vaccinated you are negating that at least to some extent. The club are also free to decide who or who not to admit just as you were free to make a choice in the first place - to suggest that you are entitled to have a choice but the club are not is illogical. If you have flu you shouldn't go to the game and spread your germs, it's an incredibly self centered and selfish thing to do. My last point wasn’t saying I would do that, but under the circumstances where COVID didn’t exist, if I had the flu and went to the game it wouldn’t have the uproar it does by telling people on here I’m not vaccinated and won’t be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Absolute Scenes said: That is a balanced point and one that you put across well, the club would be within their right to choose. I wouldn’t be happy about not going , but also wouldn’t change my decision based on football games Fair play - your call 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Chong said: Sorry to stick this here. Having been banned from even viewing the other thread on this subject (now in the shed) for stating the obvious I'd best say nothing but to whomever banned me know this, I've worked continuously throughout this pandemic, not one day off. I've seen through all the need for fake praise or worship for every single person in my profession - I work in care for a reason (not financial nor ego driven) but the sad thing is you are likely the same idiot(s) out shaking and banging their little pots and pans on a Thursday at 7pm for acknowledgment of "the heroes" for about 6 weeks. Now the very same people are deciding that I shouldn't head to Tynecastle or even put up an opinion or view on a forum for discussions around the topics brought up. I think it's mutating into totalitarianism Won't go down well here, as most were holed up in the house on boris bucks idolising wee nippy during lockdown and are now 2jagged and better citizens. Good point sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, escobri said: Do what you want it's a free country, oh wait You think it was a free country pre-covid? The anti-vax/free country argument seems akin to folk not abiding by the blackout during the blitz, or somesuch. At least you can choose not to take the vaccine (freedom of choice surely?) however if that choice leads to a limitation of what you can then do in the public domain well, that's your choice, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longbaws Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 These covid threads have more than made up for the transfer window thread. Take a bow JKB🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Kdogg said: Watched an interview last night with the virologist who was instrumental in engineering the MRNA method of vaccine delivery. He stated the governments of the world are absolutely doing the wrong thing in vaccinating the masses. He stated that vaccinating everyone en masse would lead to the virus mutating as it seeks to survive. Exactly what is happening with the new variants. Sure there will be another variant along soon. He probably doesn’t know what he’s talking about though. He only designed the thing. Where was the interview? Can you post a link please? Would be interested to read/view it. Thanks👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, Chong said: Sorry to stick this here. Having been banned from even viewing the other thread on this subject (now in the shed) for stating the obvious I'd best say nothing but to whomever banned me know this, I've worked continuously throughout this pandemic, not one day off. I've seen through all the need for fake praise or worship for every single person in my profession - I work in care for a reason (not financial nor ego driven) but the sad thing is you are likely the same idiot(s) out shaking and banging their little pots and pans on a Thursday at 7pm for acknowledgment of "the heroes" for about 6 weeks. Now the very same people are deciding that I shouldn't head to Tynecastle or even put up an opinion or view on a forum for discussions around the topics brought up. I think it's mutating into totalitarianism You work in care and are unvaccinated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, Boris said: Until the vaccine came along, allowing covid to "let rip", as Johnson put it, would've seen many more deaths particularly amongst the most vulnerable. Are we really a society that could stand by and watch that happen? They say herd immunity needs 80%+ vaccination/infection to be successful, hence wait for the vaccine. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ked Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, escobri said: Won't go down well here, as most were holed up in the house on boris bucks idolising wee nippy during lockdown and are now 2jagged and better citizens. Good point sir. Aka chief mammy .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chong Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Gizmo said: You work in care and are unvaccinated? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 2 hours ago, HoGwash said: Anyone who doesn't get jabbed purely through choice rather than having a medical condition or other good reason is a selfish tosser and doesn't deserve to watch Hearts. Bang on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
escobri Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Boris said: You think it was a free country pre-covid? The anti-vax/free country argument seems akin to folk not abiding by the blackout during the blitz, or somesuch. At least you can choose not to take the vaccine (freedom of choice surely?) however if that choice leads to a limitation of what you can then do in the public domain well, that's your choice, isn't it? More so than the foreseeable future for sure, the anti vax label I will take offence at, as will most on here that haven’t had the COVID jags, we know the role vaccines can play in health care, but a lot of us are just sitting this out for now and watching how it develops. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Yep , had my second one in March so going by what the reports are , the protection given starts to wane after 6 months , I’ll be looking for a top up this month . Will I need another passport though ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john thomas Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 48 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: My libertarian bollocks 😂😂 no bother aptly named poster. it does not help with symptoms as people are still being infected after being vaccinated and experiencing the same symptoms as those not. Majority of population vaccinated and yet cases still rising hmmmm What you keep saying is untrue . If people do get infected after jags it most certainly does prevent serious illness . Cases rising but far fewer hospitalised kind of proves that . 50% of new cases are under 25s . I'm assuming you easily fit into that group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, Chong said: Yes I'm guessing you know more about the care sector than I do. That said I'd be gutted if someone looking after my loved ones chose not to get vaccinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Absolute Scenes said: Nope, won’t be taking it for reasons of my own. Also doesn’t stop you getting it or help with symptoms, or eliminate it. Being told I can’t go back to Tynecastle because of a personal choice is pretty far from being a free country. If I had the flu I would still be able to go though. Seems legit I have no issue with peoples choice re vaccines but it would be morally wrong to go to the football with the flu. People can die from the flu also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 (edited) Feel free not to get the vaccine if you so choose. I've had mine and I don't really care what you choose to do. However, if you choose not to get vaccinated, don't you ****ing dare cry and moan if the choice you make ends up excluding you from other things. Edited September 1, 2021 by tian447 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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