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7 hours ago, sadj said:


Maybe you should research this properly lad. There is a reason we manipulate our systems for sport or similar to achieve better performance or to lift heavier , to run faster , to run further. Either that or every sportsperson at elite level , every heavy lifter , every trainer , every sports scientist is wrong and you are correct…..

 

That's not a great example. "Take drugs and you too could win world's strongest man, the 100m and multiple Tour de Frances" 

 

Side effects? Forget 'em.

 

Now of course there are plenty of legal and 'safe' ways to manipulate your system (as I'm sure you were getting at) but an industry that is constantly and persistently pushing that boundary of what is safe in exchange for performance is not a great example to hold up for why manipulating your system is a good thing. If nothing else, the average populace doesn't need to be higher, faster, stronger...they need homeostasis.

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41 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

That's not a great example. "Take drugs and you too could win world's strongest man, the 100m and multiple Tour de Frances" 

 

Side effects? Forget 'em.

 

Now of course there are plenty of legal and 'safe' ways to manipulate your system (as I'm sure you were getting at) but an industry that is constantly and persistently pushing that boundary of what is safe in exchange for performance is not a great example to hold up for why manipulating your system is a good thing. If nothing else, the average populace doesn't need to be higher, faster, stronger...they need homeostasis.

Homeostasis is something I'm very interested in, the endocannabinoid system is very much under investigated.

 

see homeostasis as analogous to keeping your car tuned - regular oil, keeping tyres inflated, everything in good condition, tweaked and running well which will decrease the chance of system failure.

 

But it won't get rid of the hole in the radiator and it won't protect your hoses from leaks, it just brings down the chances and timescales of stuff going wrong.

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18 hours ago, sadj said:

Its for want of a better word “****ing mental” was reading about how hospitals are backed up with patients who have overdosed on it. 😑

Sadji, story was fabricated and debunked on " the Column" yesterday. Turns out the guy making the original claim hadn't been employed at the hospital concerned for 2'years. Just lazy journalism. The real information is found on things like our governments website. Here's a shot of the yellow card system upbdate, that's news surely and wondered why you haven't mentioned this it seems rather important to me! Looks like you are still being played , do you need a loan of my shovel to do a little digging before your next post!FB_IMG_1630949486786.thumb.jpg.7ebb1d43debd8ec57c5c5f4624a0e3ad.jpg

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5 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Homeostasis is something I'm very interested in, the endocannabinoid system is very much under investigated.

 

see homeostasis as analogous to keeping your car tuned - regular oil, keeping tyres inflated, everything in good condition, tweaked and running well which will decrease the chance of system failure.

 

But it won't get rid of the hole in the radiator and it won't protect your hoses from leaks, it just brings down the chances and timescales of stuff going wrong.

Maybe it will! 

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1 minute ago, Smithee said:

Homeostasis is something I'm very interested in, the endocannabinoid system is very much under investigated.

 

see homeostasis as analogous to keeping your car tuned - regular oil, keeping tyres inflated, everything in good condition, tweaked and running well which will decrease the chance of system failure.

 

But it won't get rid of the hole in the radiator and it won't protect your hoses from leaks, it just brings down the chances and timescales of stuff going wrong.

 

Very good analogy 👍👍

 

I'm not advocating rest and relaxation as an alternative to the vaccine though, just that using high performing sports people who regularly take dangerous banned substances isn't a great example of why we should manipulate our systems.

 

That said, a lot of people would need a lot less medical interference if they kept their bodies and minds in better service before their hoses started leaking (pun intended)

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1 hour ago, kila said:

Sounds like thewiseone wouldn’t even take viagra because his system needs to be clean to fully function.

 

Like his posts, he’s a bit of a flop. 

 

If he developed heart, lung or kidney disease, diabetes or cancer he'd be quick enough to take the medication/drugs from big pharma.

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3 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

Sadji, story was fabricated and debunked on " the Column" yesterday. Turns out the guy making the original claim hadn't been employed at the hospital concerned for 2'years. Just lazy journalism. The real information is found on things like our governments website. Here's a shot of the yellow card system upbdate, that's news surely and wondered why you haven't mentioned this it seems rather important to me! Looks like you are still being played , do you need a loan of my shovel to do a little digging before your next post!FB_IMG_1630949486786.thumb.jpg.7ebb1d43debd8ec57c5c5f4624a0e3ad.jpg

"The hospital concerned?"

This isn't happening at one hospital

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9 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

Sadji, story was fabricated and debunked on " the Column" yesterday. Turns out the guy making the original claim hadn't been employed at the hospital concerned for 2'years. Just lazy journalism. The real information is found on things like our governments website. Here's a shot of the yellow card system upbdate, that's news surely and wondered why you haven't mentioned this it seems rather important to me! Looks like you are still being played , do you need a loan of my shovel to do a little digging before your next post!FB_IMG_1630949486786.thumb.jpg.7ebb1d43debd8ec57c5c5f4624a0e3ad.jpg

 

Why would US hospital admissions, be on the UK government's site by the way?

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2 hours ago, The Mighty Thor said:

I think 'wisey' is talking out his hoop. 


No surprise there mate

 

anything during the pandemic you’ve got ‘wrong’ ? Anything surprised you where you thought this isnt panning out the way I expected it to?

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17 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

Sadji, story was fabricated and debunked on " the Column" yesterday. Turns out the guy making the original claim hadn't been employed at the hospital concerned for 2'years. Just lazy journalism. The real information is found on things like our governments website. Here's a shot of the yellow card system upbdate, that's news surely and wondered why you haven't mentioned this it seems rather important to me! Looks like you are still being played , do you need a loan of my shovel to do a little digging before your next post!FB_IMG_1630949486786.thumb.jpg.7ebb1d43debd8ec57c5c5f4624a0e3ad.jpg

 

Hate to be a bother, but if that's a "shot" of the yellow card system, could you provide the link to the government website that it comes from?

 

I wouldn't normally ask, but I've heard you shouldn't believe everything you see on the internet, so I'd rather read the original with my own eyes 

Thanks in advance.

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Just now, Beni said:

 

Hate to be a bother, but if that's a "shot" of the yellow card system, could you provide the link to the government website that it comes from?

 

I wouldn't normally ask, but I've heard you shouldn't believe everything you see on the internet, so I'd rather read the original with my own eyes 

Thanks in advance.

 

Ol' Sadj and I were talking about america too, not a lot of info on the UK government website TBF

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22 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

Sadji, story was fabricated and debunked on " the Column" yesterday. Turns out the guy making the original claim hadn't been employed at the hospital concerned for 2'years. Just lazy journalism. The real information is found on things like our governments website. Here's a shot of the yellow card system upbdate, that's news surely and wondered why you haven't mentioned this it seems rather important to me! Looks like you are still being played , do you need a loan of my shovel to do a little digging before your next post!FB_IMG_1630949486786.thumb.jpg.7ebb1d43debd8ec57c5c5f4624a0e3ad.jpg

 

Some interesting information on that site referenced, here's what my shovel dug up.

 

"Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths."

 

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58 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

Very good analogy 👍👍

 

I'm not advocating rest and relaxation as an alternative to the vaccine though, just that using high performing sports people who regularly take dangerous banned substances isn't a great example of why we should manipulate our systems.

 

That said, a lot of people would need a lot less medical interference if they kept their bodies and minds in better service before their hoses started leaking (pun intended)

Stop with the dangerous banned substances crap. Those people as you said yourself are not who i am referring too. Clean as Wisey was referencing is natural levels of everything in your body , what he said is wrong. Twisting it to drugs , steroids or whatever you are trying to do is just demonstrating ignorance.

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47 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

Sadji, story was fabricated and debunked on " the Column" yesterday. Turns out the guy making the original claim hadn't been employed at the hospital concerned for 2'years. Just lazy journalism. The real information is found on things like our governments website. Here's a shot of the yellow card system upbdate, that's news surely and wondered why you haven't mentioned this it seems rather important to me! Looks like you are still being played , do you need a loan of my shovel to do a little digging before your next post!FB_IMG_1630949486786.thumb.jpg.7ebb1d43debd8ec57c5c5f4624a0e3ad.jpg

Link please :lol: 

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23 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

Ol' Sadj and I were talking about america too, not a lot of info on the UK government website TBF

Less of the old 😉🤣 

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56 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

Sadji, story was fabricated and debunked on " the Column" yesterday. Turns out the guy making the original claim hadn't been employed at the hospital concerned for 2'years. Just lazy journalism. The real information is found on things like our governments website. Here's a shot of the yellow card system upbdate, that's news surely and wondered why you haven't mentioned this it seems rather important to me! Looks like you are still being played , do you need a loan of my shovel to do a little digging before your next post!FB_IMG_1630949486786.thumb.jpg.7ebb1d43debd8ec57c5c5f4624a0e3ad.jpg

No but a link to your pic might be useful instead of a screenshot….. 

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1 hour ago, Ray Gin said:

 

Typical Scottish Tory. Absolute snake. 🐍 

How can he vote differently on the same thing?  It shows you that their party will always matter more than the people they represent.  

The sad thing is he will try and find some way to justify it.  

 

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43 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

Some interesting information on that site referenced, here's what my shovel dug up.

 

"Usage of the vaccines has increased over the course of the campaigns and as such, so has reporting of fatal events with a temporal association with vaccination however, this does not indicate a link between vaccination and the fatalities reported. Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths."

 

Im not sure people like Dennis Rancourt are the best people to give unbiased opinion on things , hes quite a well known UKColumn contributor 🤔 

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8 minutes ago, sadj said:

No but a link to your pic might be useful instead of a screenshot….. 

 

The death figure is correct, what it doesn't say is that the vast majority of these were elderly or had underlying conditions that meant death was a probability anyway. Some even had Covid before getting the vaccines. 

I posted the important part from the report above - "Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths."

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2 minutes ago, Auldbenches said:

How can he vote differently on the same thing?  It shows you that their party will always matter more than the people they represent.  

The sad thing is he will try and find some way to justify it.  

 

The greens were very much opposed to passports but surprisingly are now ok with them. All politicians are scum. All of them.

 

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1 minute ago, sadj said:

Im not sure people like Dennis Rancourt are the best people to give unbiased opinion on things , hes quite a well known UKColumn contributor 🤔 

 

The figures are correct, it's how it is presented that's the problem, over 1million "injuries", injuries that include a sore arm for a short period 

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1 minute ago, Ron Burgundy said:

The greens were very much opposed to passports but surprisingly are now ok with them. All politicians are scum. All of them.

 

Changing your mind or political position is pretty common, publicly voting in 2 directly opposing directions at the same time isn't.

 

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1 minute ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

The figures are correct, it's how it is presented that's the problem, over 1million "injuries", injuries that include a sore arm for a short period 


👍🏻 I know the death figure is correct. Whats not given is the context. For instance for each report there are roughly 3.5 side effects. I dont need to give context to that though. 

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7 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

The figures are correct, it's how it is presented that's the problem, over 1million "injuries", injuries that include a sore arm for a short period 

Same page then pal 👍🏻 I withdraw my last reply as you cover it here

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8 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

The figures are correct, it's how it is presented that's the problem, over 1million "injuries", injuries that include a sore arm for a short period 

with things like that i always think back to the ebbe skovdahl quote

 

Statistics are like mini-skirts - they give you good ideas but hide the important things.

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13 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

The death figure is correct, what it doesn't say is that the vast majority of these were elderly or had underlying conditions that meant death was a probability anyway. Some even had Covid before getting the vaccines. 

I posted the important part from the report above - "Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths."

 

A few months back someone else (could be the same person, just a different account) was pushing this 1,600 deaths thing, and it was all explained to them back then as well.

 

As you say, it's not 1,600 deaths from the vaccine, it's 1,600 deaths of people who have had the vaccine and died from other causes, which will no doubts include people who have died in car crashes etc and many many older people who had multiple things wrong with them before having the vaccine.

 

Once again it's cherry picking to suit an agenda without including the context, it's their MO, they do it all the time.

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10 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

with things like that i always think back to the ebbe skovdahl quote

 

Statistics are like mini-skirts - they give you good ideas but hide the important things.

Brilliant.

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45 minutes ago, sadj said:

Stop with the dangerous banned substances crap. Those people as you said yourself are not who i am referring too. Clean as Wisey was referencing is natural levels of everything in your body , what he said is wrong. Twisting it to drugs , steroids or whatever you are trying to do is just demonstrating ignorance.

 

I'm not twisting anything.

 

You chose a demographic  where the pursuit of glory sees banned substances being absolutely rife and were it not for the regulating authorise, would be even more rife. 

 

Do sizeable amounts of athletes, sportspeople and weight lifters take banned (and in some cases 'banned') PEDs? The answer to that is yes, yes they do. They're an awful demographic to choose as an example of the manipulation of the human body via taking substances.

 

It's also just entirely irrelevant to the normal population who aren't seeking out minor physical and performance gains. 

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12 minutes ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

A few months back someone else (could be the same person, just a different account) was pushing this 1,600 deaths thing, and it was all explained to them back then as well.

 

As you say, it's not 1,600 deaths from the vaccine, it's 1,600 deaths of people who have had the vaccine and died from other causes, which will no doubts include people who have died in car crashes etc and many many older people who had multiple things wrong with them before having the vaccine.

 

Once again it's cherry picking to suit an agenda without including the context, it's their MO, they do it all the time.

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25 minutes ago, Smithee said:

Changing your mind or political position is pretty common, publicly voting in 2 directly opposing directions at the same time isn't.

 

You think they changed it because they felt it was the right thing to do? 😆

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30 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

The death figure is correct, what it doesn't say is that the vast majority of these were elderly or had underlying conditions that meant death was a probability anyway. Some even had Covid before getting the vaccines. 

I posted the important part from the report above - "Review of individual reports and patterns of reporting does not suggest the vaccines played a role in these deaths."

Is there somewhere you can get a breakdown of the ages of those that have died soon after taking the vaccine? Or if they had underlying conditions? 

Is the average age 82....?

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So there is now talk of another lockdown in October. Not denied by the vaccines minister.

Depends on how the vaccine booster goes of course...

On and on it goes and still the mugs comply.

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1 minute ago, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

A few months back someone else (could be the same person, just a different account) was pushing this 1,600 deaths thing, and it was all explained to them back then as well.

 

As you say, it's not 1,600 deaths from the vaccine, it's 1,600 deaths of people who have had the vaccine and died from other causes, which will no doubts include people who have died in car crashes etc and many many older people who had multiple things wrong with them before having the vaccine.

 

Once again it's cherry picking to suit an agenda without including the context, it's their MO, they do it all the time.

Very good Jambo,and no I have never changed my account, it's exactly what the government have done aided and abetted by the BBC etc.   to create the fear to generate the desire for " the vaccine" . Been a game from the start and those who bought into it and perpetuating it are the real problem. Not only that they actively become the supporters of such.

 

Down load the app, the superspreader, the r number, masks. Bubbles, social distancing , tap elbows instead of shake hands the list is endless, front line, critical workers 😅😂😅😂

All these because this particular virus is so dangerous, eh no. a quick search to find deaths in GB are no different this year as to any other, and that's during a pandemic.

 

All this to do nothing more than generate the fear required within the population in order to coerce and control further.

 

If the government ever had your or mine best interests to heart those simple rules of masks, isolation and staying indoor would never have been instructed. Anything then being proliferated from the same source has got to be questioned.

Trouble is too many live in and support the fear, and now taking a different view point means they would have to confront this fear so it's easier to remain supportive. It's how it works and they know it.

 

          We have been played 

 

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6 minutes ago, Back to 2005 said:

Is there somewhere you can get a breakdown of the ages of those that have died soon after taking the vaccine? Or if they had underlying conditions? 

Is the average age 82....?

 

Here's a link to an freedom of information request made by one of theunwiseone's pals, I think the answers you are looking for are in there but I'm buggered if I'm looking for them.

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfollowingreceiptofthecovid19vaccinebyageunderlyingconditionsandlocation

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3 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

Very good Jambo,and no I have never changed my account, it's exactly what the government have done aided and abetted by the BBC etc.   to create the fear to generate the desire for " the vaccine" . Been a game from the start and those who bought into it and perpetuating it are the real problem. Not only that they actively become the supporters of such.

 

Down load the app, the superspreader, the r number, masks. Bubbles, social distancing , tap elbows instead of shake hands the list is endless, front line, critical workers 😅😂😅😂

All these because this particular virus is so dangerous, eh no. a quick search to find deaths in GB are no different this year as to any other, and that's during a pandemic.

 

All this to do nothing more than generate the fear required within the population in order to coerce and control further.

 

If the government ever had your or mine best interests to heart those simple rules of masks, isolation and staying indoor would never have been instructed. Anything then being proliferated from the same source has got to be questioned.

Trouble is too many live in and support the fear, and now taking a different view point means they would have to confront this fear so it's easier to remain supportive. It's how it works and they know it.

 

          We have been played 

 

 

Serious question, what would you have done? Nothing? Let it run it's course?

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40 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

The greens were very much opposed to passports but surprisingly are now ok with them. All politicians are scum. All of them.

 

I never knew that about the Greens.  There's not a party that wouldn't do that.  The liberals showed it when suddenly supported the Tories on student fees.   

Nothing changes until we really modernise democracy.  

Real PR shouldn't mean a variety of party seats, it should mean people from different backgrounds.  That way we might get people who have taught becoming education secretary etc.  

 

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I presume the Nats need the backing of the greens to get the passport through parliament? With labour and tories opposing? 

What a shambles that this bunch of weirdos have so much influence.

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10 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

Very good Jambo,and no I have never changed my account, it's exactly what the government have done aided and abetted by the BBC etc.   to create the fear to generate the desire for " the vaccine" . Been a game from the start and those who bought into it and perpetuating it are the real problem. Not only that they actively become the supporters of such.

 

Down load the app, the superspreader, the r number, masks. Bubbles, social distancing , tap elbows instead of shake hands the list is endless, front line, critical workers 😅😂😅😂

All these because this particular virus is so dangerous, eh no. a quick search to find deaths in GB are no different this year as to any other, and that's during a pandemic.

 

All this to do nothing more than generate the fear required within the population in order to coerce and control further.

 

If the government ever had your or mine best interests to heart those simple rules of masks, isolation and staying indoor would never have been instructed. Anything then being proliferated from the same source has got to be questioned.

Trouble is too many live in and support the fear, and now taking a different view point means they would have to confront this fear so it's easier to remain supportive. It's how it works and they know it.

 

          We have been played 

 

 

Got that link where your screenshot came from yet?

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1 hour ago, MoncurMacdonaldMercer said:


No surprise there mate

 

anything during the pandemic you’ve got ‘wrong’ ? Anything surprised you where you thought this isnt panning out the way I expected it to?

Surprise or not, he is indeed talking out his hoop.

 

Have I got anything wrong, yes mate, all of it. I'm not an expert.

 

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17 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

Down load the app, the superspreader, the r number, masks. Bubbles, social distancing , tap elbows instead of shake hands the list is endless, front line, critical workers 😅😂😅😂

 

All this to do nothing more than generate the fear required within the population in order to coerce and control further.

 

Genuinely, whats wrong with you? You and others positioning yourselves as forward free thinkers and that all this, all of it, is some sort of masterplan designed for population control? People posting memes insinuating we are but a short step from Nazi doctrin? 

If you want to think that, fine, but laughing at front line, critical workers? 

That makes you nothing but a piece of shit. 

I will take the ban.

 

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30 minutes ago, thewiseone said:

Very good Jambo,and no I have never changed my account, it's exactly what the government have done aided and abetted by the BBC etc.   to create the fear to generate the desire for " the vaccine" . Been a game from the start and those who bought into it and perpetuating it are the real problem. Not only that they actively become the supporters of such.

 

Down load the app, the superspreader, the r number, masks. Bubbles, social distancing , tap elbows instead of shake hands the list is endless, front line, critical workers 😅😂😅😂

All these because this particular virus is so dangerous, eh no. a quick search to find deaths in GB are no different this year as to any other, and that's during a pandemic.

 

All this to do nothing more than generate the fear required within the population in order to coerce and control further.

 

If the government ever had your or mine best interests to heart those simple rules of masks, isolation and staying indoor would never have been instructed. Anything then being proliferated from the same source has got to be questioned.

Trouble is too many live in and support the fear, and now taking a different view point means they would have to confront this fear so it's easier to remain supportive. It's how it works and they know it.

 

          We have been played 

 


That’s simply not true. 

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31 minutes ago, Taffin said:

 

I'm not twisting anything.

 

You chose a demographic  where the pursuit of glory sees banned substances being absolutely rife and were it not for the regulating authorise, would be even more rife. 

 

Do sizeable amounts of athletes, sportspeople and weight lifters take banned (and in some cases 'banned') PEDs? The answer to that is yes, yes they do. They're an awful demographic to choose as an example of the manipulation of the human body via taking substances.

 

It's also just entirely irrelevant to the normal population who aren't seeking out minor physical and performance gains. 


A debate for a different thread , however that is such an uneducated perspective based on what you lot would call mainstream media manipulating a false narrative. Sizeable for the amount of elite athletes in the world would need to be millions upon millions of people using them. Its also a very narrowminded view to assume that PEDs are the only way to manipulate your body. Thats what Sports Science is all about. Educate yourself its an interesting subject. 
 

I don’t agree its irrelevant but you will keep harping on so lets agree to disagree and you can all get back to telling us sheeple how not to end up in the scene from the end of Kingsman by getting injected with the Bill Gates chip of control. 

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19 minutes ago, Awbdy Oot said:

 

It was pulled from the government website and put in a wee poster without any context.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

Thats what I was reading trying to find his made up picture…

 

I thought this bit was interesting….

 

“It is important to note that Yellow Card data cannot be used to derive side effect rates or compare the safety profile of COVID-19 vaccinations as many factors can influence ADR reporting.

For all COVID-19 vaccines, the overwhelming majority of reports relate to injection-site reactions (sore arm for example) and generalised symptoms such as ‘flu-like’ illness, headache, chills, fatigue (tiredness), nausea (feeling sick), fever, dizziness, weakness, aching muscles, and rapid heartbeat. Generally, these happen shortly after the vaccination and are not associated with more serious or lasting illness.

These types of reactions reflect the normal immune response triggered by the body to the vaccines. They are typically seen with most types of vaccine and tend to resolve within a day or two. The nature of reported suspected side effects is broadly similar across age groups, although, as was seen in clinical trials and as is usually seen with other vaccines, they may be reported more frequently in younger adults.”

 

 

I assume that was only added so that the one side can claim its trying to bury the truth? 

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12 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:


That’s simply not true. 

There has been 5k excess deaths in 2020 compared to 2019. That’s In Scotland, I’d imagine it’s alot more overall on GB. 
 

I expect the deaths to be a lot less this year due to the vaccines and natural immunity. 

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So, if this goes ahead how many season ticket holders do we think might miss out? Roughly 1 in 10 of the population are unvaccinated so maybe around 1,000?

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