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On 21/07/2021 at 13:28, BM1874 said:

Watched Civil Service Strollers 3-2 Edinburgh Uni

 

Enjoyable game, Civil had more quality in the end but the uni played the right way. Took their goals well (2nd a mistake from the Civil GK) CSS goals from a pen and 2 corners 

 

decent value for £7 

Another 3-2 win for CSS at home to Bonnyrigg.  A surprise result but fully deserved.

 

It was helped by the Bonnyrigg keeper Alastair Adams letting what should have been a a routine stop through his legs in the first minute.  The keeper continued to create uncertainty in the away defence during the first half.  He was subbed at half time for apparently losing the plot in the dressing room.

 

CSS's other two goals were both well taken.

 

Rangers B already looking strong with a 3rd win without conceding a goal although East Stirling almost grabbed an equaliser late on when they hit the post. 

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2 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

CSS followed up their win over Bonnyrigg with a win over Rangers B tonight.

 

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Cracking result for the strollers.

 

was due to go to Edin Uni v Bo’ness, but had to cancel last minute, Shame as I’ve missed a goal fest 

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53 minutes ago, Locky said:

Very surprised to see Dalbeattie winning their first 3.

I'm sure that Dalbeattie will be similarly surprised.

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May go to a game on Saturday to contain my anger at having not got through ballot, anyway Adams Bonnyrigg goalie was previously with Tranent, decent keeper but a bit mental was told from a reliable source when queried why no longer there.

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The big Scottish Cup format for the licensed pyramid sides.

 

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/202122-scottish-cup-fixture-dates-confirmed/?rid=2107

 

PRELIMINARY ROUND – Saturday 28 August 2020

37 Clubs (11 ties and 15 byes):

  • The preliminary round draw will take place in the week commencing 9 August:
     
    • ­­­­­­­­­­Auchinleck Talbot
    • Banks O’Dee
    • Blackburn United
    • Broxburn Athletic
    • Burntisland Shipyard
    • Camelon
    • Clydebank
    • Coldstream
    • Cumnock
    • Dalkeith Thistle
    • Darvel
    • Dunbar United
    • Dundonald Bluebell
    • Dunipace
    • Easthouses Lily MWFC
    • Girvan
    • Glasgow University
    • Golspie Sutherland
    • Haddington Athletic
    • Hawick Royal Albert United
    • Hill of Beath Hawthorn
    • Irvine Meadow XI
    • Jeanfield Swifts
    • Linlithgow Rose
    • Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale
    • Musselburgh Athletic
    • Newtongrange Star
    • Newton Stewart
    • Penicuik Athletic
    • Preston Athletic
    • Sauchie Juniors
    • Cuthbert Wanderers
    • Threave Rovers
    • Tranent Juniors
    • Tynecastle
    • Whitehill Welfare
    • Wigtown & Bladnoch

ROUND ONE – Saturday 18 September 2021

60 Clubs (30 ties) 

  • 11 Preliminary Round Winners
  • 15 Preliminary Round Byes
  • 18 Clubs from the Scottish Highland Football League:
     
    • Brechin City
    • Brora Rangers
    • Buckie Thistle
    • Clachnacuddin
    • Deveronvale
    • Formartine United
    • Forres Mechanics
    • Fort William
    • Fraserburgh
    • Huntly
    • Inverurie Loco Works
    • Keith
    • Lossiemouth
    • Nairn County
    • Rothes
    • Strathspey Thistle
    • Turriff United
    • Wick Academy
  • 16 Clubs from the Scottish Lowland Football League:
     
    • Berwick Rangers
    • Bo’ness United
    • Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic
    • BSC Glasgow
    • Caledonian Braves
    • Civil Service Strollers
    • Cumbernauld Colts
    • Dalbeattie Star
    • East Kilbride
    • East Stirlingshire
    • Edinburgh University
    • Gala Fairydean Rovers
    • Gretna 2008
    • Spartans
    • University of Stirling
    • Vale of Leithen

ROUND TWO – Saturday 23 October 2021

40 Clubs (20 ties) 

  • 30 Round One Winners
  • 10 Clubs from SPFL League 2:
     
    • Albion Rovers
    • Annan Athletic
    • Cowdenbeath
    • Edinburgh City
    • Elgin City
    • Forfar Athletic
    • Kelty Hearts
    • Stenhousemuir
    • Stirling Albion
    • Stranraer

ROUND THREE – Saturday 27 November 2021

40 Clubs (20 ties) 

  • 20 Round Two Winners
  • 10 Clubs from the SPFL League 1:
     
    • Airdrieonians
    • Alloa Athletic
    • Clyde
    • Cove Rangers
    • Dumbarton
    • East Fife
    • Falkirk
    • Montrose
    • Peterhead
    • Queen’s Park
  • 10 Clubs from the SPFL Championship:
     
    • Arbroath
    • Ayr United
    • Dunfermline Athletic
    • Greenock Morton
    • Hamilton Academical
    • Inverness Caledonian Thistle
    • Kilmarnock
    • Partick Thistle
    • Queen of the South
    • Raith Rovers

ROUND FOUR – Saturday 22 January 2022

32 Clubs (16 ties) 

  • 20 Round Three Winners
  • 12 Clubs from the SPFL Premiership:
     
    • Aberdeen
    • Celtic
    • Dundee
    • Dundee United
    • Heart of Midlothian
    • Hibernian
    • Livingston
    • Motherwell
    • Rangers
    • Ross County
    • St Johnstone
    • St Mirren

ROUND FIVE - Saturday 12 February 2022

16 Round Four Winners (8 ties)

QUARTER-FINAL TIES – Saturday 12 March 2022

8 Round Five Winners (4 ties)

SEMI-FINAL TIES – Saturday 16 & Sunday 17 April 2022

SCOTTISH CUP FINAL TIE – Saturday 21 May 2022

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Ahead of some of the Challenge Cup games I was looking for a form line for the 'Colt' teams or whatever we are calling them but came up empty. Is there actually a league in place for these teams, do Hearts play regular league games at that level?

 

Any help appreciated, realise I might have been staring at the forest and missing the trees.

 

ETA this seemed the most appropriate place to ask this question 👍

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Preliminary Round Draw for the (big) Scottish Cup

 

Linlithgow Rose v Banks O'Dee

Burntisland Shipyard v Dalkeith Thistle

Newton Stewart v Coldstream

Irvine Meadow v Musselburgh Athletic

Dundonald Bluebell v Penicuik Athletic

Preston Athletic v Threave Rovers

Hawick Royal Albert Utd v Golspie Sutherland

Blackburn United v Easthouses Lily

Tynecastle v Girvan

Jeanfield Swifts v Whitehill Welfare

Dunbar United v Broxburn Athletic

 

+ 15 byes.

Lothian Thistle HV

Dunipace

Auchinleck Talbot

Darvel

Newtongrange Star

Clydebank

Camelon

Glasgow University

Sauchie Juniors

St Cuthbert Wanderers

Tranent

Cumnock Juniors

Wigtown & Bladnoch

Haddington Athletic

Hill of Beath Hawthorn

 

Games to be played on 28th August

 

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Some interesting ties!

Been watching a lot of Tranent this season They are looking very good best Tranent team I,ve ever seen

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1 minute ago, systemx said:

Some interesting ties!

Been watching a lot of Tranent this season They are looking very good best Tranent team I,ve ever seen


Calum has done a good job assembling the squad he has. Matty Knox is a super player. 

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5 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said:


Calum has done a good job assembling the squad he has. Matty Knox is a super player. 

Him and Skip different class Might miss Baldy tho!Knox should be playing at a higher level as could ome others but he seems to be enjoying his football

Callum has done extremely well Fully expect him to be managing higher levelin a couple of years.He has worked very hard learning the trade(and has a lot of good contacts and goodwill)

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I watched the Edinburgh South v Tranent EoS Q Cup tie at Dalkeith on Tuesday night. Tranent won 6-0, going on 12.  It was the first time I had seen Tranent this season. They appear to be continuing to build on the last couple of years' improvements, so should be a good bet for the EOSFL Premier League.  Whether or not they will be good enough to beat the WOSFL champions in the playoff for a LL place will be interesting to see.

 

As others have said Matty Knox is their playmaker.  Hearts were linked with him a few seasons back.  Other ex Hearts academy players there are Shaun Rutherford, Kyle Lander and Rhys Craigie.

 

I always find Calum Elliot's touchline manner a tad unusual, as he is so softly spoken.  Doesn't fit in with the standard shouting and swearing that you normally hear from the dug outs at that level.  

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Tranent have money behind them, if they need a player they seem to be able to get whoever Calum decides fits in and it works mainly.

Was at Tynecastle v Broxburn on Saturday, 2-1 for visitors going on 6 or 7, can see why Calum left they don't have the clout that Tranent have.

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34 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

I watched the Edinburgh South v Tranent EoS Q Cup tie at Dalkeith on Tuesday night. Tranent won 6-0, going on 12.  It was the first time I had seen Tranent this season. They appear to be continuing to build on the last couple of years' improvements, so should be a good bet for the EOSFL Premier League.  Whether or not they will be good enough to beat the WOSFL champions in the playoff for a LL place will be interesting to see.

 

As others have said Matty Knox is their playmaker.  Hearts were linked with him a few seasons back.  Other ex Hearts academy players there are Shaun Rutherford, Kyle Lander and Rhys Craigie.

 

I always find Calum Elliot's touchline manner a tad unusual, as he is so softly spoken.  Doesn't fit in with the standard shouting and swearing that you normally hear from the dug outs at that level.  


Ive played under Calum as recently as a couple of seasons back and his soft spoken manner can be misinterpreted as you say. When he wants to he can go for it! 
 

Enjoyed my time under him and he said from day one his goal is to manage at the top level and he wants his players to follow suit in the progression side of things. He’s going about it in the correct way IMO. He could follow Courts I reckon in getting a big job out of nowhere. 

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2 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

Preliminary Round Draw for the (big) Scottish Cup

 

Linlithgow Rose v Banks O'Dee

Burntisland Shipyard v Dalkeith Thistle

Newton Stewart v Coldstream

Irvine Meadow v Musselburgh Athletic

Dundonald Bluebell v Penicuik Athletic

Preston Athletic v Threave Rovers

Hawick Royal Albert Utd v Golspie Sutherland

Blackburn United v Easthouses Lily

Tynecastle v Girvan

Jeanfield Swifts v Whitehill Welfare

Dunbar United v Broxburn Athletic

 

+ 15 byes.

Lothian Thistle HV

Dunipace

Auchinleck Talbot

Darvel

Newtongrange Star

Clydebank

Camelon

Glasgow University

Sauchie Juniors

St Cuthbert Wanderers

Tranent

Cumnock Juniors

Wigtown & Bladnoch

Haddington Athletic

Hill of Beath Hawthorn

 

Games to be played on 28th August

 

Why so many byes? I've been trying to find an explanation on the SFA website but no luck. I get that they need a certain amount of teams into the next round, but 15 byes seems excessive!

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7 minutes ago, August Landmesser said:

Why so many byes? I've been trying to find an explanation on the SFA website but no luck. I get that they need a certain amount of teams into the next round, but 15 byes seems excessive!


it happens every single year and I still don’t know why.

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12 minutes ago, August Landmesser said:

Why so many byes? I've been trying to find an explanation on the SFA website but no luck. I get that they need a certain amount of teams into the next round, but 15 byes seems excessive!

They work back from the final, to determine when each division should enter the competition.  Round 1 sees all the tier 5 clubs (34) entering the competition, however they need 30 ties in round 1 to make up the correct number of teams to progress to  for round 2 and beyond.  That means they need 26 clubs from the preliminary round(s) to make up the 30 ties (60 clubs).

 

All licensed clubs (37) at tier 6 and below are allowed to enter the competition in the preliminary round, which means 11 ties and 15 byes.

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5 minutes ago, Footballfirst said:

They work back from the final, to determine when each division should enter the competition.  Round 1 sees all the tier 5 clubs (34) entering the competition, however they need 30 ties in round 1 to make up the correct number of teams to progress to  for round 2 and beyond.  That means they need 26 clubs from the preliminary round(s) to make up the 30 ties (60 clubs).

 

All licensed clubs (37) at tier 6 and below are allowed to enter the competition in the preliminary round, which means 11 ties and 15 byes.

Thanks FF, I've finally grasped it! I was thinking in terms of needing 26 teams to go through, when I should have been thinking in terms of needing 11 teams to go out, and the only (fair) way to go out of a cup is to lose a game. 

 

I'll finally sleep tonight!

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4 minutes ago, August Landmesser said:

Thanks FF, I've finally grasped it! I was thinking in terms of needing 26 teams to go through, when I should have been thinking in terms of needing 11 teams to go out, and the only (fair) way to go out of a cup is to lose a game. 

 

I'll finally sleep tonight!


There's a good explainer on the SFA website showing who enters at which round

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/202122-scottish-cup-fixture-dates-confirmed/?rid=2107

 

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7 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

I watched the Edinburgh South v Tranent EoS Q Cup tie at Dalkeith on Tuesday night. Tranent won 6-0, going on 12.  It was the first time I had seen Tranent this season. They appear to be continuing to build on the last couple of years' improvements, so should be a good bet for the EOSFL Premier League.  Whether or not they will be good enough to beat the WOSFL champions in the playoff for a LL place will be interesting to see.

 

As others have said Matty Knox is their playmaker.  Hearts were linked with him a few seasons back.  Other ex Hearts academy players there are Shaun Rutherford, Kyle Lander and Rhys Craigie.

 

I always find Calum Elliot's touchline manner a tad unusual, as he is so softly spoken.  Doesn't fit in with the standard shouting and swearing that you normally hear from the dug outs at that level.  

8 changes from Saturdays game V Sauchie.

are you an ex school teacher?

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59 minutes ago, systemx said:

8 changes from Saturdays game V Sauchie.

are you an ex school teacher?

I was unaware of their line up last weekend, but they have been adding some depth to their squad, so it doesn't surprise me that they were able to change their line up that much for a game against lower league opposition.

 

No I'm not an ex school teacher. I'm more intrigued to know why you might ask that.

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19 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

I was unaware of their line up last weekend, but they have been adding some depth to their squad, so it doesn't surprise me that they were able to change their line up that much for a game against lower league opposition.

 

No I'm not an ex school teacher. I'm more intrigued to know why you might ask that.

I was standing with a former Tranent and Haddington manager(and an ex-Hearts player)who spoke to a chap who had just come in to the game.He said that the guy watched games at all levels every day of the week and was an ex schoolteacher.I might have picked him up wrongly but thinking you obviously attend many games I put two and two together and got five.My fledgling career as a profiler has abrubtly ended.

sorry

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2 hours ago, systemx said:

I was standing with a former Tranent and Haddington manager(and an ex-Hearts player)who spoke to a chap who had just come in to the game.He said that the guy watched games at all levels every day of the week and was an ex schoolteacher.I might have picked him up wrongly but thinking you obviously attend many games I put two and two together and got five.My fledgling career as a profiler has abrubtly ended.

sorry

No worries.

 

Edinburgh Utd U20s v Penicuik tonight, Hearts U13s and U15s v Fife Elite tomorrow morning and Bonnyrigg v Edinburgh Uni tomorrow afternoon.

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2 hours ago, Hesh said:

Are their many Hearts players out on loan to LL & EofS teams at the moment? Is this on the club website anywhere?

Sean Docherty to Brechin and Jay King to Fauldhouse are the only ones I'm aware of outside the SPFL.

 

The website's coverage of the youth players is very poor.

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1 hour ago, Hesh said:

Are their many Hearts players out on loan to LL & EofS teams at the moment? Is this on the club website anywhere?

From memory the only two are Sean Docherty at Brechin in the Highland and Jay Charleston King at Fauldhouse in the EOS.

 

I follow the Lowland so not seen much of the EOS to comment but thought King may have been loaned to a club at a slightly higher level.

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Celtic B 10-0 v Vale of Leithen

Rangers B 9-1 v Gretna

 

How many are relegated ftom the Lowland League. Too much dross in there.

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36 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

Celtic B 10-0 v Vale of Leithen

Rangers B 9-1 v Gretna

 

How many are relegated ftom the Lowland League. Too much dross in there.

Bonnyrigg 7-0 v Edinburgh University

 

Only one relegated in normal circumstances. It can be two if a team is promoted from the HL, but Club 42 is relegated to the LL.

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1 hour ago, Tommy Brown said:

Celtic B 10-0 v Vale of Leithen

Rangers B 9-1 v Gretna

 

How many are relegated ftom the Lowland League. Too much dross in there.

 

Every team in the LL is there on merit, with the exception of Celtic and Rangers.

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Celtic had 7 players with first team experience and 3 with Champions League experience. The Vale manager resigned after last week's heavy defeat to CSS.

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Brechin dropped their first league points of the season with a 2-2 draw at home to Rothes.

 

They must be thankful that they have been able to sign "Max" on loan.

 

HALF TIME | Brechin City 1-0 Rothes City with a narrow lead at the break. The only goal of the game coming from David Cox who glanced in a free kick from Kucheriavyi.
 
90’ GOOOAAALLL CITY! Max Kucheriavyi curls a beauty of a free kick into the top corner | BRE 2-2 ROT
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9 minutes ago, Dunks said:

Celtic had 7 players with first team experience and 3 with Champions League experience. The Vale manager resigned after last week's heavy defeat to CSS.

So Celtic and Rangers are being provided with the opportunity to give fringe players competitive games, something the other teams in the Premiership aren't getting, and this will benefit their first teams. Reeks of favouritism.

 

I thought there had to be two distinct squads?

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1 hour ago, Dunks said:

Celtic had 7 players with first team experience and 3 with Champions League experience. The Vale manager resigned after last week's heavy defeat to CSS.


this is the Celtic team that couldn’t field an 18s team yesterday 🤔🤥

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2 hours ago, Dunks said:

 

Every team in the LL is there on merit, with the exception of Celtic and Rangers.

No they are not.

Too many have been there as members with nowhere to be relegated.

 

There is a bottleneck of strong teams below in the EOS and WOS fighting for one place.

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2 hours ago, Dunks said:

 

Every team in the LL is there on merit, with the exception of Celtic and Rangers.

Stretching it a bit. The Lowland League was established by invitation. Berwick Rangers and East Strilingshire have been relegated into it and Bonnyrigg Rose and Bo'ness United have been promoted into it. Everyone else (I think) just applied, were invited or awarded an automatic place

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2 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

Bonnyrigg 7-0 v Edinburgh University

 

Only one relegated in normal circumstances. It can be two if a team is promoted from the HL, but Club 42 is relegated to the LL.

I should have included that and wrongly decided not to.

 

Uni sides, do the virtually change squds year on year? 

 

Too many sides on this tier of the pyramid that can no longer justufy being there.

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5 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

I should have included that and wrongly decided not to.

 

Uni sides, do the virtually change squds year on year? 

 

Too many sides on this tier of the pyramid that can no longer justufy being there.

I agree, but it would take turkeys voting for Christmas to change the number of relegation places.

 

The Universities have the problem of not having their full squads available until term time, e.g. today, Edin Uni only named four subs.

 

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1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

I agree, but it would take turkeys voting for Christmas to change the number of relegation places.

 

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Getting in a couple of years back was good forward thinking. 

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Just picked up from another forum that Vale of Leithen is on a run of 25 successive defeats (23 league games). Their last win was in December 2019.

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1 minute ago, Footballfirst said:

Just picked up from another forum that Vale of Leithen is on a run of 25 successive defeats (23 league games). Their last win was in December 2019.

 

The biggest surprise is that the manager lasted so long. That said, the Club can't compete with the resources of others in the league and they will ultimately be relegated as a result.

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1 minute ago, Dunks said:

 

The biggest surprise is that the manager lasted so long. That said, the Club can't compete with the resources of others in the league and they will ultimately be relegated as a result.

Yes, I'd expect them to drop down through the tiers as Hawick Royal Albert (United) has done.

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51 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

No they are not.

Too many have been there as members with nowhere to be relegated.

 

There is a bottleneck of strong teams below in the EOS and WOS fighting for one place.

 

The bottleneck was only caused by the junior sides crossing the divide - the LL was already in place before that. It is right that the former juniors need to earn their way up the pyramid and if that is one club at a time, then so be it.

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17 minutes ago, Dunks said:

 

The bottleneck was only caused by the junior sides crossing the divide - the LL was already in place before that. It is right that the former juniors need to earn their way up the pyramid and if that is one club at a time, then so be it.

The bottleneck was caused by the LL failing to open up their league to promotion relegation, while accepting the participation of multiple new teams into the pyramid at tiers 6 and 7.

 

It doesn't help that the LL has the same issue with two play off wins required to gain promotion to tier 4.

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Went to the Bonnyrigg game today , good crowd of 527 , a figure some of the professional clubs would love to get . 

There was a huge gulf between the clubs and result was never in doubt . Seems a strange thing to say as he didn’t score , but the forward who impressed the most was the Edinburgh no10 .

 

I do enjoy going to the LL games but like every other league there’s a difference in standards between the teams 

 

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