Hillsborough Trial Collapses

[Footballfirst]

The BBC and the Guardian have reported that that judge in the trial of Denton and others has ruled that there is no case to answer and that the Jury be directed to find them not guilty.

 

It seems the argument is that the doctored statements submitted to the Lord Taylor inquiry could not be deemed to have "perverted the course of justice", because the Taylor inquiry was not a judicial process in itself.

 

It seems to me that such a basic issue should have come to the surface long before now.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/26/hillsborough-trial-of-former-south-yorkshire-police-officers-collapses?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Edited May 26, 2021 by Footballfirst

[Niemi’s gloves]

Surprising that it took four weeks of the trial before the judge made his ruling. But the bigger picture is surely unsurprising. Decisions by the DPP (in England) to bring a case can be driven by public pressures; whereas judges uphold the law. It’s obviously distressing for the families of the victims in this case. 
 

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

5 minutes ago, Niemi’s gloves said:

Surprising that it took four weeks of the trial before the judge made his ruling. But the bigger picture is surely unsurprising. Decisions by the DPP (in England) to bring a case can be driven by public pressures; whereas judges uphold the law. It’s obviously distressing for the families of the victims in this case. 
 

Think you have summed that up very well. 

 

Going back to the late 80s things were very different, standards were different.

 

Thankfully albeit a tragedy had to occur to instigate matters, things have improved drastically over the last 30 years. Putting in process and infrastructure to gain accountability is fundamental to any successful or efficient organisation, simply not enough scrutiny back then. 

 

To blame individuals, I am not saying is wrong, but certainly flawed, in that they themselves were prey to the poor systems their employers maintained

[davemclaren]

44 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Think you have summed that up very well. 

 

Going back to the late 80s things were very different, standards were different.

 

Thankfully albeit a tragedy had to occur to instigate matters, things have improved drastically over the last 30 years. Putting in process and infrastructure to gain accountability is fundamental to any successful or efficient organisation, simply not enough scrutiny back then. 

 

To blame individuals, I am not saying is wrong, but certainly flawed, in that they themselves were prey to the poor systems their employers maintained

Absolutely. I imagine the training in crowd management was virtuslly non existent for these senior officers in those days. It’s clear that huge errors were made and people did things to cover their tracks. They haven’t been cleared of doing that but cleared on a technicality it seems. 

[Yoda]

Really feel for the families on this latest decision.

[Peakybunnet]

3 hours ago, davemclaren said:

Absolutely. I imagine the training in crowd management was virtuslly non existent for these senior officers in those days. It’s clear that huge errors were made and people did things to cover their tracks. They haven’t been cleared of doing that but cleared on a technicality it seems. 

 

You can only pervert the course of justice in court or other legal hearing Dave.

 

There were disastrous decisions made by the police at the match and they tried to cover aspects of this. But the CPS haven't covered themselves in glory here either. 

 

This was a major error by them and am surprised it wasn't picked up on pre trial at evidential and disclosure hearings. 

 

I feel sorry for the families who appear to have came to the end of legal recourse. 

 

Morally everybody knows the police made the wrong decisions which ultimately killed the 96. 

 

 

 

[davemclaren]

16 minutes ago, Peakybunnet said:

 

You can only pervert the course of justice in court or other legal hearing Dave.

 

There were disastrous decisions made by the police at the match and they tried to cover aspects of this. But the CPS haven't covered themselves in glory here either. 

 

This was a major error by them and am surprised it wasn't picked up on pre trial at evidential and disclosure hearings. 

 

I feel sorry for the families who appear to have came to the end of legal recourse. 

 

Morally everybody knows the police made the wrong decisions which ultimately killed the 96. 

 

 

 

It’s always been clear the police made the wrong decisions. 

[Smoked-Glass]

Might have phased that better... But OK. 

[Spellczech]

6 hours ago, Niemi’s gloves said:

Surprising that it took four weeks of the trial before the judge made his ruling. But the bigger picture is surely unsurprising. Decisions by the DPP (in England) to bring a case can be driven by public pressures; whereas judges uphold the law. It’s obviously distressing for the families of the victims in this case. 
 

Lawyers gotta eat...

[Mikey1874]

Police can withhold information from public enquires.

 

Still a bit to go to get the Police to act correctly and morally. 

[Yoda]

6 hours ago, davemclaren said:

It’s always been clear the police made the wrong decisions. 

and not one of them has been held accountable.

[OldGorgie]

JKB now wandering into potential legal trouble.

[Салатные палочки]

Andrew Devine becomes the 97th victim of the disaster after succumbing to his injuries 32 years on. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-58005871.amp

[The Real Maroonblood]

35 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said:

Andrew Devine becomes the 97th victim of the disaster after succumbing to his injuries 32 years on. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-58005871.amp

Tragic.

[Boab]

39 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said:

Andrew Devine becomes the 97th victim of the disaster after succumbing to his injuries 32 years on. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-58005871.amp

RIP, lad.