geomac Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Apart from the fact that I doubt Anderson would ever have got involved without Budge being involved... totally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Tom Hardy’s Dug said: Apart from the fact that I doubt Anderson would ever have got involved without Budge being involved... Who knows, it was he and his wife that came up with the original idea is all I’m saying. They’re Hearts supporters, it seems to be assumed they were friends with Budge, Is there a millionaires club that they all go to? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/01/hearts-feature-save-the-children-shirts Edited May 19, 2021 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Who knows, it was he and his wife that came up with the original idea is all I’m saying. They’re Hearts supporters, it seems to be assumed they were friends with Budge, Is there a millionaires club that they all go to? https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/01/hearts-feature-save-the-children-shirts Probably mate. That’s kind of how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Jeez, this thread is so trypical. Have anything to say against it and seemingly I have no compassion. I clearly stated how much of a good cause it is, not one person on this thread cares more than I do about it, I know some clearly think they do. I don't just 74% care about MND whilst you all 100% care. I 100% care. This is no competition so get over yourselves. To me, it is just adding to this 'nice' culture that has been created at our club and it very quite simply is not working. All these amazing tributes, causes and actions we do are fabulous on the surface but it is not helping us become a leaner meaner fighting machine. It is making us a wonderful caring club. There are many ways to be wonderful and caring, I just don't see that doing it almost vicariously through Hearts is the way. I want us to seperate it alĺ, our shit got real about 5 years ago, this is big boy stuff now. We need to leave unicorn island and strap on a set as we are not going anywhere. Well not in football terms anyway. I am also sceptical about the control of this money. Where will it go, who is in charge of it. I just have questions and concerns. It is nothing about not caring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 16 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Anyway, I don't wish to derail the thread. I am just one fan and I have put in my 2 cents. I would not want to darken a thread with such a highly important issue with my strong opinions and folk throwing punches. You live to derail threads. How you haven't been banned is a constant source of amazement to me. Thankfully you banned yourself from supporting Our club, just wish you would do the same on JKB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XB52 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 16 hours ago, So Make Some Noise.. said: A lot of comments in this thread highlight just how much we'll find anything to either moan about or bad mouth the club and/or the owners. None of this will come at the expense of better sponsorship money and anyone who thinks that way likely has no business sense. All the comments from one sad poster though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Салатные палочки Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 8 hours ago, heartsfc_fan said: Not bad Can you make a home top with the sponsor on it? But the colour of the sponsor is only white lettering (not inside a white rectangular box). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: Be so keen for a 2 tone. But spot on with the white logo that’s what I’d expect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 57 minutes ago, Salad Fingers said: Nice! 👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Jeez, this thread is so trypical. Have anything to say against it and seemingly I have no compassion. I clearly stated how much of a good cause it is, not one person on this thread cares more than I do about it, I know some clearly think they do. I don't just 74% care about MND whilst you all 100% care. I 100% care. This is no competition so get over yourselves. To me, it is just adding to this 'nice' culture that has been created at our club and it very quite simply is not working. All these amazing tributes, causes and actions we do are fabulous on the surface but it is not helping us become a leaner meaner fighting machine. It is making us a wonderful caring club. There are many ways to be wonderful and caring, I just don't see that doing it almost vicariously through Hearts is the way. I want us to seperate it alĺ, our shit got real about 5 years ago, this is big boy stuff now. We need to leave unicorn island and strap on a set as we are not going anywhere. Well not in football terms anyway. I am also sceptical about the control of this money. Where will it go, who is in charge of it. I just have questions and concerns. It is nothing about not caring. For me, a sponsor has absolutely no bearing on how a football team perform on the pitch. Surely everyone realised this? How difficult do you think it'll be for teams to get a sponsor that suits at the minute? One that is willing to give away hundreds of thousands of pounds each season, post covid? We aren't that big of a draw at present - if we sorted out the footballing side of the club then we might well be. There are no multinational airlines or huge betting companies interested and local businesses just simply don't have the cash. All conquering Barcelona strutted their stuff with UNICEF emblazoned across their shirts and it didn't do them any harm. Edited May 20, 2021 by Homme Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwasthere1954 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 17 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Maybe you are right, i'm happy to be wrong. I just can't stand virtue signalling and this reeks of facebookyness. To me using a charity to promote ones virtue is low as ****. Barcelona had Save the Children on their strip for years. I never heard anyone spouting off the shit your doing on this site. For gods sake give it a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I suspect Mr Anderson is insuring that we are getting a healthy cheque for the charity sponsorships. There isn’t enough money in Scottish football otherwise. Beyond that, this should create a lot of positive media coverage for the club and hopefully give MND Scotland a good platform to showcase its work to the most popular sport in Scotland. With Ricksen and Zal passing due to it too, it’s a good match up as there will be a lot of awareness especially between Hearts and Rangers fans. Im really on board with this tbh. It makes a lot of sense. Perhaps some sort of event can be staged in Zals memory supported by MND Scotland once covid is less of an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Barcelona are one of, if not the biggest club in the world - they can literally do anything they want. The comparison is absurd. We are a small time club on a global scene trying to save the world - it is simply not conducive. I ask what makes people thing we could not get a decent corporate deal? There is simply no evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 minute ago, i8hibsh said: Barcelona are one of, if not the biggest club in the world - they can literally do anything they want. The comparison is absurd. We are a small time club on a global scene trying to save the world - it is simply not conducive. I ask what makes people thing we could not get a decent corporate deal? There is simply no evidence. I bet the money involved with this deal compares to any amounts we would get from any corporate deal, otherwise it wouldn't be happening. There is no chance the club are sacrificing good money to try and save the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 6 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Jeez, this thread is so trypical. Have anything to say against it and seemingly I have no compassion. I clearly stated how much of a good cause it is, not one person on this thread cares more than I do about it, I know some clearly think they do. I don't just 74% care about MND whilst you all 100% care. I 100% care. This is no competition so get over yourselves. To me, it is just adding to this 'nice' culture that has been created at our club and it very quite simply is not working. All these amazing tributes, causes and actions we do are fabulous on the surface but it is not helping us become a leaner meaner fighting machine. It is making us a wonderful caring club. There are many ways to be wonderful and caring, I just don't see that doing it almost vicariously through Hearts is the way. I want us to seperate it alĺ, our shit got real about 5 years ago, this is big boy stuff now. We need to leave unicorn island and strap on a set as we are not going anywhere. Well not in football terms anyway. I am also sceptical about the control of this money. Where will it go, who is in charge of it. I just have questions and concerns. It is nothing about not caring. I empathise with the view that in many aspects the club is 'too nice' but this is a quite the hill to die on. I honestly can't see anything other than positives around this - to my knowledge MND has affected us on the pitch (Zal & David Hagen) and in the boardroom (Robert Wilson). I'm sure many supporters have also been touched by this issue. It is possibly to be business savvy, hard headed yet compassionate at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyrood_Hearts Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 You have to wonder why some people follow the club when they find fault with literally everything. Pathetic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, jambopilms said: I bet the money involved with this deal compares to any amounts we would get from any corporate deal, otherwise it wouldn't be happening. There is no chance the club are sacrificing good money to try and save the world. If this is the case (which I doubt) then I would obviously be on board with it. Our culture at our club is not befitting of a football club - surely people see this. Edited May 20, 2021 by i8hibsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dia Liom Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Barcelona are one of, if not the biggest club in the world - they can literally do anything they want. The comparison is absurd. We are a small time club on a global scene trying to save the world - it is simply not conducive. I ask what makes people thing we could not get a decent corporate deal? There is simply no evidence. Like funding the womens' team, sometimes it's just simply the right thing to do. Profit is not the be all end all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, Dia Liom said: Like funding the womens' team, sometimes it's just simply the right thing to do. Profit is not the be all end all. We agree, winning is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollo Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I have no idea at all I admit - But have those knocking this established the money we gleaned from the likes of Wonga, Ukio.. or that other clubs like Hibs, Dundee Utd, Aberdeen etc are getting? And established what we are being given to display a charity name? Genuine question. The 'sponsor' is only there to bring money in. If what we are getting is comparable AND we raise awareness of a charity - what's the issue? For a club who have always been part of a community, historically contributing to society etc - most would agree surely we are better off helping a charity that whoring our shirt out to the likes of Wonga? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 6 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Jeez, this thread is so trypical. Have anything to say against it and seemingly I have no compassion. I clearly stated how much of a good cause it is, not one person on this thread cares more than I do about it, I know some clearly think they do. I don't just 74% care about MND whilst you all 100% care. I 100% care. This is no competition so get over yourselves. To me, it is just adding to this 'nice' culture that has been created at our club and it very quite simply is not working. All these amazing tributes, causes and actions we do are fabulous on the surface but it is not helping us become a leaner meaner fighting machine. It is making us a wonderful caring club. There are many ways to be wonderful and caring, I just don't see that doing it almost vicariously through Hearts is the way. I want us to seperate it alĺ, our shit got real about 5 years ago, this is big boy stuff now. We need to leave unicorn island and strap on a set as we are not going anywhere. Well not in football terms anyway. I am also sceptical about the control of this money. Where will it go, who is in charge of it. I just have questions and concerns. It is nothing about not caring. Sometimes you say it best when you say nothing at all. We all are well aware of your grievance however most reasonable people are rightly proud of these philanthropic efforts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Homme said: For me, a sponsor has absolutely no bearing on how a football team perform on the pitch. Surely everyone realised this? How difficult do you think it'll be for teams to get a sponsor that suits at the minute? One that is willing to give away hundreds of thousands of pounds each season, post covid? We aren't that big of a draw at present - if we sorted out the footballing side of the club then we might well be. There are no multinational airlines or huge betting companies interested and local businesses just simply don't have the cash. All conquering Barcelona strutted their stuff with UNICEF emblazoned across their shirts and it didn't do them any harm. The first paragraph is wrong, what it says on a strip makes no difference obviously but the cash certainly does. Budge herself said that when we first hooked up with Save the Children. The rest is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Sometimes you say it best when you say nothing at all. We all are well aware of your grievance however most reasonable people are rightly proud of these philanthropic efforts SG this is the thing, none of us can be proud of anything relating to football now. It is all just this kind of thing that keeps our heads held high. I have no doubt this deal is more important to Ann than us winning the league next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwasthere1954 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 41 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Barcelona are one of, if not the biggest club in the world - they can literally do anything they want. The comparison is absurd. We are a small time club on a global scene trying to save the world - it is simply not conducive. I ask what makes people thing we could not get a decent corporate deal? There is simply no evidence. What makes you think we can get a multi nation sponsor. As you say there is simply no evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, iwasthere1954 said: Barcelona had Save the Children on their strip for years. I never heard anyone spouting off the shit your doing on this site. For gods sake give it a break. It was UNICEF I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, iwasthere1954 said: What makes you think we can get a multi nation sponsor. As you say there is simply no evidence. We have not failed to do this since the early 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I ask everyone: Would you rather be the first UK team to have a charity sponsor (StC) or be first in the league? I am starting to question even the fans priorities now. I have known Budge's for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 49 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Barcelona are one of, if not the biggest club in the world - they can literally do anything they want. The comparison is absurd. We are a small time club on a global scene trying to save the world - it is simply not conducive. I ask what makes people thing we could not get a decent corporate deal? There is simply no evidence. So how doe the above tie in with your assertion earlier in this thread that we would have no problem in getting a multi million pound sponsor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I ask everyone: Would you rather be the first UK team to have a charity sponsor (StC) or be first in the league? I am starting to question even the fans priorities now. I have known Budge's for some time. It’s not a binary choice, except for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berra than you Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, i8hibsh said: I ask everyone: Would you rather be the first UK team to have a charity sponsor (StC) or be first in the league? I am starting to question even the fans priorities now. I have known Budge's for some time. Obviously you'd rather be first in the league. But there is nothing to say that we couldn't win the league with a charity sponsor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwasthere1954 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: It was UNICEF I think. Sorry, I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, davemclaren said: It’s not a binary choice, except for you. It is very aparent we can't do both. The nice guy will always come last Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, iwasthere1954 said: Sorry, I stand corrected. 👍🏽, Barca won their league with them as a sponsor too 😱😆. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berra than you Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, Pasquale for King said: 👍🏽, Barca won their league with them as a sponsor too 😱😆. And the champions league don't forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: SG this is the thing, none of us can be proud of anything relating to football now. It is all just this kind of thing that keeps our heads held high. I have no doubt this deal is more important to Ann than us winning the league next year. This deal probably gives us more chance of being successful than tieing up with Wonga, the 2 things are not separate from one another Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churchill Barrier Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 From any sponsorship the money is the reason for doing it. If its a donation from a benefactor that clearly gives a charity a massive lift then i really cant see what the issue is. I would rather promote a charity than a profit making company who give nothing,other than taxes back to the community. There are things the club are not good at,this in my view is one area other clubs should consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: I ask everyone: Would you rather be the first UK team to have a charity sponsor (StC) or be first in the league? I am starting to question even the fans priorities now. I have known Budge's for some time. I think we all know the answer. We weren't the first team to do this you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: This deal probably gives us more chance of being successful than tieing up with Wonga, the 2 things are not separate from one another The money went into the first team in those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolute Scenes Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 7 hours ago, i8hibsh said: Jeez, this thread is so trypical. Have anything to say against it and seemingly I have no compassion. I clearly stated how much of a good cause it is, not one person on this thread cares more than I do about it, I know some clearly think they do. I don't just 74% care about MND whilst you all 100% care. I 100% care. This is no competition so get over yourselves. To me, it is just adding to this 'nice' culture that has been created at our club and it very quite simply is not working. All these amazing tributes, causes and actions we do are fabulous on the surface but it is not helping us become a leaner meaner fighting machine. It is making us a wonderful caring club. There are many ways to be wonderful and caring, I just don't see that doing it almost vicariously through Hearts is the way. I want us to seperate it alĺ, our shit got real about 5 years ago, this is big boy stuff now. We need to leave unicorn island and strap on a set as we are not going anywhere. Well not in football terms anyway. I am also sceptical about the control of this money. Where will it go, who is in charge of it. I just have questions and concerns. It is nothing about not caring. Absolutely nothing to do with nice culture. It’s a fantastic gesture towards a condition close to the heart of the club. the reason folk are having a go at you is that you’ve picked another positive and tried to make it a negative. its a statement that we don’t need bookies and alkies to sponsor us, we use our spinster space for something good. And I fully stand by it. No one can take you seriously because you’re so cynical. Maybe if you were a bit more positive about some aspects (you can still be unhappy about others) we would take on board what you think. as someone already stated to you, a sponsor has zero bearings on how a team play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will-i-am-a-jambo Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 19 hours ago, tian447 said: There are certain things that certain posters need to shut the **** up about and realise are totally out of line for criticising. Moaning about Hearts being sponsored by a charity is the lowest of the the ****ing low. I am getting absolutely sick and tired of reading it on every single thread, but this one is just too far. MND is a devastating illness, one that affects many people in the country, some of our supporters, some of our family members, and our old Club Captain who recently passed away due to it. Imagine being so far up your own arse that you dare question why the club might be going down this route, instead of getting (how did you word it), "a big stinking multi million pound dirty sponsor"? **** right off. I think it's actually quite sad that someone would sink so low to criticise something like this. IMO and lm no expert it looks to me the trademark of someone seeking attention and crying out for help. You have to feel sorry for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Berra than you said: And the champions league don't forget. I did forget 👍🏽, there you go then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 59 minutes ago, Japan Jambo said: I empathise with the view that in many aspects the club is 'too nice' but this is a quite the hill to die on. I honestly can't see anything other than positives around this - to my knowledge MND has affected us on the pitch (Zal & David Hagen) and in the boardroom (Robert Wilson). I'm sure many supporters have also been touched by this issue. It is possibly to be business savvy, hard headed yet compassionate at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Absolute Scenes said: Absolutely nothing to do with nice culture. It’s a fantastic gesture towards a condition close to the heart of the club. the reason folk are having a go at you is that you’ve picked another positive and tried to make it a negative. its a statement that we don’t need bookies and alkies to sponsor us, we use our spinster space for something good. And I fully stand by it. No one can take you seriously because you’re so cynical. Maybe if you were a bit more positive about some aspects (you can still be unhappy about others) we would take on board what you think. as someone already stated to you, a sponsor has zero bearings on how a team play Not directly of course not. However, if you throw it into the pot that is cooking up this nice culture it adds depth and flavour. By the end of May 2022 the only achievement we will have yet again will be on our shirts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozi Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 11 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: We will need to wait and see who’s idea this is, like the Save the Children deal it will be Anderson and his wife pushing it, nothing really to do with Budge all told. Exactly which is why i8 and his antiBudge agenda are so massively misplaced on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Salad Fingers said: That's exactly the sort of design I hope we go for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozi Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Not directly of course not. However, if you throw it into the pot that is cooking up this nice culture it adds depth and flavour. By the end of May 2022 the only achievement we will have yet again will be on our shirts. The thing is if we get xhundred thousand pound from a scumbag betting firm or xhundred thousand pound to display a charity the club loses nothing, it doesn't affect how the money is spent, it won't affect the performance on the pitch and it won't determine how successful we are. Just admit that you have called this wrong and move on from it, you have badly misread the room on your personal crusade and made a but of an arse of yourself here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Salad Fingers said: What about the Yellow and black away top from the 90s I'd love a top like that again if not an away use it as a keeper kit., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 34 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: We have not failed to do this since the early 90s. Our biggest shirt sponsorship deal before Anderson was just over 100k a year, that's a recorded fact from when we got the money of Wonga early in 2014. The save the children deal from Anderson dwarfed it, another recorded fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, Bozi said: Exactly which is why i8 and his antiBudge agenda are so massively misplaced on this 👍🏽 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos1983 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Wish we could have someone like wonga back. We'd win the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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