Trans athletes

[AlimOzturk]

3 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

That’s too sensible and fair 

I have never understood why gay/lesbian/bi sexual folk have to get drawn into the argument of trans rights. Surely the subject and notion of being born in the wrong body is as alien to a gay person as it is to a straight person? As an openly gay person yourself self do you feel you are able to sympathise more for the trans community as straight folk? 
 

I often find the gay community are forced into defending something they probably don’t understand and i honestly don’t think it is fair. 

Edited May 9, 2021 by AlimOzturk

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, AlimOzturk said:

I have never understood why gay/lesbian/bi sexual folk have to get drawn into the argument of trans rights. Surely the subject and notion of being born in the wrong body is as alien to a gay person as it is to a straight person? As an openly gay person yourself self do you feel you are able to sympathise more for the trans community as straight folk? 
 

I often find the gay community are forced into defending something they probably don’t understand and i honestly don’t think it is fair. 

Yes gay / lesbian people have been dragged into the debate . The militant trans community have used our issues as a Trojan horse I feel . I do sympathise with the genuine people who believe they are the opposite sex and go through a rigorous process such as therapy and then medical procedures as they appear to be genuine . I do not symptoms this with blokes who wear a dress and suddenly believe themselves to be female and want everyone else to agree with these delusions . It is delusional and I think mental health issues , coupled with internalised homophobia and body image issues . There is absolutely nothing wrong if a. Man wishes to wear a dress . It’s only clothing and we have been conditioned since children to thing that women are pink and fluffy and men like tractors etc ! 😂 however it breaches the rights of women when they want to access women only spaces and invalidate women’s real life experiences . People like Eddie Izzard are classic examples of this ! He sometimes feels he is in “ girl “ mode and sometimes “ boy “ mode . The use of that language is immature and tragic really . He like many other of  his type have a stereotypical image of women , ( high heels , dresses , femme appearance ) when many women are not like that ofcourse .  There is absolute zero science to suggest people are born in the “ wrong body “ it’s ludicrous . We are all conditioned and socialised to what a female or male is . I do think men may feel “ feminine “ but then again what is “ feminine “ there are now young gay and lesbian people who are maybe camp or butch who now are thinking they may be “ in the wrong body “ when in fact there is absolutely no problem with a camp man or butch woman , however those militants now argue and suggest to those vulnerable people that they may be trans  Before all those crap came to prominence camp or butch gays were accepted as we had no labels . Everyone was accepted . 

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, Tazio said:

Interestingly Page will still be in Umbrella Academy playing the same character. They have already done character change to suit Page’s agenda for the 2nd season to make her, “the character”, less straight. The producers are apparently going to address the issue and introduce a trans storyline. To me this is very much a case of the show being between a rock and a hard place. 

Yea I read about that and that’s fine . It may cause discussion about the issues but his roles are now severely limited . After all the militants kicked up **** when Halle Berry and scarlet johnanson considered playing trans roles . They had to apologise to them . It’s a powerful lobby . However it has back fired really as it would not be acceptable for Paige to play a female role as she is a man now surely ? Can’t have it both ways . 

[Tazio]

20 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Yea I read about that and that’s fine . It may cause discussion about the issues but his roles are now severely limited . After all the militants kicked up **** when Halle Berry and scarlet johnanson considered playing trans roles . They had to apologise to them . It’s a powerful lobby . However it has back fired really as it would not be acceptable for Paige to play a female role as she is a man now surely ? Can’t have it both ways . 

A future in limited interest art house film awaits I feel. And in a twist in Umbrella Academy she ( as he was then) was the weakest performer in the show.

Edited May 9, 2021 by Tazio

[JudyJudyJudy]

8 minutes ago, Tazio said:

A future in limited interest art house film awaits I feel. And in a twist in Umbrella Academy she ( as he was then) was the weakest performer in the show.

Or voice roles in animation films . One already in production. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 hour ago, jonesy said:

 

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[HamishMcGonagall]

French rugby at it now too https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/transgender-women-allowed-play-womens-rugby-france-federation-2021-05-17/

[Byyy The Light]

I used to watch TransWorld Sport on Channel 4 back in the day.

 

Bit different these days

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

11 hours ago, Byyy The Light said:

I used to watch TransWorld Sport on Channel 4 back in the day.

 

Bit different these days

 

And I recall my dad use say to me “ turn the Tranny on son “ ! When he wasn’t near it 😂

Edited May 18, 2021 by JamesM48

[indianajones]

11 hours ago, HamishMcGonagall said:

French rugby at it now too https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/transgender-women-allowed-play-womens-rugby-france-federation-2021-05-17/

 

Can you imagine someone like Sebastein Chabal deciding he is now trans and allowed to play in womans rugby? 

 

Someone could easily die. I wouldnt say that is being dramatic either. 

 

 

[Spellczech]

12 hours ago, HamishMcGonagall said:

French rugby at it now too https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/transgender-women-allowed-play-womens-rugby-france-federation-2021-05-17/

Will be interesting to see what happens in women's football if money keeps getting pumped into it - won't be long until an enterprising opportunist or 20 from very low level men's game, think "I'll identify as female and get me some of that". Ironically the only thing that has probably stopped it happening already is the misogyny and homophobia which is rife in the men's game!

Edited May 18, 2021 by Spellczech

[dobmisterdobster]

People who obsess over transgender participation must outstrip genuine fans of women's sport by quite a margin.

I really don't know why people care about this. There are more important things to worry about.

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

1 minute ago, dobmisterdobster said:

People who obsess over transgender participation must outstrip genuine fans of women's sport by quite a margin.

I really don't know why people care about this. There are more important things to worry about.

 

People care about it as it deprives biological born women their rightful place in competitive sport and winning and the pride and sense of achievement . So it is a big deal 

[JudyJudyJudy]

4 minutes ago, Spellczech said:

Will be interesting to see what happens in women's football if money keeps getting pumped into it - won't be long until an enterprising opportunist or 20 from very low level men's game, think "I'll identify as female and get me some of that". Ironically the only thing that has probably stopped it happening already is the misogyny and homophobia which is rife in the men's game!

Spot on 

[Spellczech]

5 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

People who obsess over transgender participation must outstrip genuine fans of women's sport by quite a margin.

I really don't know why people care about this. There are more important things to worry about.

 

I think people find it peculiar that women's equality is now being quickly trumped by trans equality. It truly has to be one of the oddest things that has ever happened in the history of the human race! 

[dobmisterdobster]

2 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

People care about it as it deprives biological born women their rightful place in competitive sport and winning and the pride and sense of achievement . So it is a big deal 

 

I accept your argument and sympathise with it somewhat but I am perplexed at how much attention this story is getting.

Do you honestly follow Women's football or rugby or golf etc?

[Ron Burgundy]

On 09/05/2021 at 12:03, JamesM48 said:

Thank you . 
I am a member of the “ pink news “ on Facebook which used to be just about advice and information about LGB issues . It was a friendly group not now is has been taken over by those militants . They regularly abuse me by calling me “ ok boomer “ “ white privileged  cis old man “ when I make my views about this subject in a respectful manner . They are incredibly angry ! They tend to be a certain type of person . Usually younger types “ non binary “ “ trans “ pansexual” blah blah blah . I try and remind them that they seem to forget that the older generation of LGB fought for equality and the rights they now currently enjoy ! I tends to fall on deaf ears. . A very ungrateful crowd really . I think they are very angry as they know deep down one cannot change sex bit refuse to acknowledge this so just hurl abuse and ridicule of older people . They also have a tendency to re write gay history such as the “ stonewall riots “ stating that it was trans people who started it ! It wasn’t ! But once a lie is believed it just grows . I recall in my work working with women who were victims of domestic abuse and I would never have been allowed into a refuge even as a worker due to my sex but now I think “ rape crisis “ in Scotland has a trans man as the CEO of it ? It beggars belief . Those poor vulnerable women and women in general are now being erased . Another example of an argument was that “ all people menstruate” NO. Women menstruate ! Boy again they will not listen to biological evidence . It’s a body dysmorthia issue I feel as well as mental health issue . There is also growing evidence that young gay and lesbian people ashamed that they might be gay : lesbian are now vulnerable to thinking they might be gay / lesbian and would rather be trans than be gay / lesbian . It’s the lesser of two evils in their immature outlook. It doesn’t help that the quacks And medical professionals go along with this delusion . There was an article about a young “ girl “ who now identifies as a female and they were cheering “ her “ on as “ brave “ and “ inspiring “ He is 4 years old !!! Eliot Page isn’t helping matters either and looks thoroughly miserable and deeply unhappy now he has had the change ( body mutilation ) but he is now viewed as a role model . Tragic for him as his career is now down the drain too . It’s all very tragic I feel and does no service to the small amount of trans people who really want to transist and have to go through rigorous therapy and tests before any procedures . 

The bit in bold is very worrying. His/her wee pals will see the attention being given out and the compliments and think" I would like to be the centre of attention and  be thought of as brave and inspiring" and not have a clue as to what it's all about as they are simply way way too young.

And no doubt there are some parents who would love the attention that brings and the woke kudos they'd receive.

[CF11JamTart]

24 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

People care about it as it deprives biological born women their rightful place in competitive sport and winning and the pride and sense of achievement . So it is a big deal 

  

Totally agree. 

 

Also, presumably, financial achievement too... sports scholarships, prize money, sports-based employment, etc. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

30 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

I accept your argument and sympathise with it somewhat but I am perplexed at how much attention this story is getting.

Do you honestly follow Women's football or rugby or golf etc?

It gets a lot of attention as women are 50% of the population so it matters 

[JudyJudyJudy]

27 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said:

The bit in bold is very worrying. His/her wee pals will see the attention being given out and the compliments and think" I would like to be the centre of attention and  be thought of as brave and inspiring" and not have a clue as to what it's all about as they are simply way way too young.

And no doubt there are some parents who would love the attention that brings and the woke kudos they'd receive.

Exactly my thinking . Kids like attention and being viewed as unique . Affirmation by adults doesn’t help in their gender identity at that age . It’s bordering on abuse 

[JudyJudyJudy]

12 minutes ago, CF11JamTart said:

  

Totally agree. 

 

Also, presumably, financial achievement too... sports scholarships, prize money, sports-based employment, etc. 

Yep 

[doctor jambo]

30 minutes ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

I accept your argument and sympathise with it somewhat but I am perplexed at how much attention this story is getting.

Do you honestly follow Women's football or rugby or golf etc?

The issue is that the whole world is being redefined, and it worries me.

Not the self definition thing, that worries me not a jot.

Nor the fighting bigotry issue either.

I have now been redefined and labelled as a Cis male. I wasn’t before, I was just a man.

people are now pleural - “they” when there is one of them.

Not sure that surgery was ever a great idea for treating mental conditions- we used to do it, and it was a terrible thing.

The world is being bounced into this without a lot of thought.

I pity the French- is the table still “feminine” or is it now masculine , or pleural?

I support the right of trans to be what they please without fear, but stop labelling everything- I thought we were past all that ?

 

[Pasquale for King]

12 hours ago, Byyy The Light said:

I used to watch TransWorld Sport on Channel 4 back in the day.

 

Bit different these days

 

Hahahahaha brilliant. 
Probably a hate crime mind you. 

[Sharpie]

Just heard on the radio that a Middle Eastern country has offered Phil Mickelson a hundred million dollars to leave the PGA and start a new golf tour competition group. They would compete with the PGA to get all the big draw tournaments. I wonder if someone like that could see money in a Super league for Trans athletes to engender a new source of sports for the sports fans attention.  

There are apparently many changes in the golf world, many of the big golf manufacturers have gone to Japan and China because of the great increase for the sport in those markets.  That word market is big in commerce, could a new sports Association using  old sports for new combatants e.g trans athletes be considered a marketable product.

[Pasquale for King]

It’s all a bit ****ed up, gender is a subject that seems so complicated these days. 
The IOC has some job on its hands moving forward, it’s already in real trouble with Japanese protests against the Olympics, ongoing drug issues. Allowing athletes to take some drugs that other sportsmen can’t, allowing guys like Pistorius to run in the past. 
All sports will need to adapt to this as it will become an issue sooner rather than later. 

[Pasquale for King]

2 minutes ago, Sharpie said:

Just heard on the radio that a Middle Eastern country has offered Phil Mickelson a hundred million dollars to leave the PGA and start a new golf tour competition group. They would compete with the PGA to get all the big draw tournaments. I wonder if someone like that could see money in a Super league for Trans athletes to engender a new source of sports for the sports fans attention.  

There are apparently many changes in the golf world, many of the big golf manufacturers have gone to Japan and China because of the great increase for the sport in those markets.  That word market is big in commerce, could a new sports Association using  old sports for new combatants e.g trans athletes be considered a marketable product.

It’s been mentioned a few times now, I doubt if they would go for it as they could be barred from playing in majors . Having said that most of them have no problem going to places with awful human rights records to chase appearance fees and play on courses that aren’t always the best. 

[i8hibsh]

A man can NEVER at any stage be a woman and a woman can NEVER at any stage be a man. And imo, if you believe they can then you are an idiot.

 

Getting breast implants, chopping of your John Thomas, putting makeup on, taking hormone replacement pills, dressing like a man, cutting your hair, growing bumfluff facial hair, changing your name, putting a frock on or going into a different toilet does not change this fact.

 

If a man dresses like and acts like a woman then he is a man dressed as and acting like a woman.  If a woman dresses and acts like a man then she is a woman dressing like and acting like a man.

That been said, If I meet a trans person and they wish for me to call a very obvious man by a female name (or woman a mans) then of course I would.  This is no imposition but how ****ing dare anyone tell me I must think of them that way. 

 

Don’t insult my intelligence.  Delusion is not my thing.

 

The far left are now shouting homophobe/transphobe if I don’t sleep with one or go out with one. This rule obviously just applies to straight people however as no one shouts at a lesbian for not dating a trans or a homosexual for not dating a trans.

 

I am sympathetic to their reasoning however as I do fully accept they feel trapped in the opposite sexes body but nothing will change who they are.

 

Trans, BAME, lesbians, gays etc are not special.  I am sick to the back ****ing teeth of all this bending over backward to please them etc.  I am sick of the constant column inches it all gets.  They are just, like me a nobody in the grand scheme of things.

 

Everybody wants a ****ing label or an ‘identity’ – I really am sick to the back ****ing teeth of it all.

[Sharpie]

1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

A man can NEVER at any stage be a woman and a woman can NEVER at any stage be a man. And imo, if you believe they can then you are an idiot.

 

Getting breast implants, chopping of your John Thomas, putting makeup on, taking hormone replacement pills, dressing like a man, cutting your hair, growing bumfluff facial hair, changing your name, putting a frock on or going into a different toilet does not change this fact.

 

If a man dresses like and acts like a woman then he is a man dressed as and acting like a woman.  If a woman dresses and acts like a man then she is a woman dressing like and acting like a man.

That been said, If I meet a trans person and they wish for me to call a very obvious man by a female name (or woman a mans) then of course I would.  This is no imposition but how ****ing dare anyone tell me I must think of them that way. 

 

Don’t insult my intelligence.  Delusion is not my thing.

 

The far left are now shouting homophobe/transphobe if I don’t sleep with one or go out with one. This rule obviously just applies to straight people however as no one shouts at a lesbian for not dating a trans or a homosexual for not dating a trans.

 

I am sympathetic to their reasoning however as I do fully accept they feel trapped in the opposite sexes body but nothing will change who they are.

 

Trans, BAME, lesbians, gays etc are not special.  I am sick to the back ****ing teeth of all this bending over backward to please them etc.  I am sick of the constant column inches it all gets.  They are just, like me a nobody in the grand scheme of things.

 

Everybody wants a ****ing label or an ‘identity’ – I really am sick to the back ****ing teeth of it all.

 

I apologise if I am wrong, but do I detect some displeasure in you post.

[i8hibsh]

5 minutes ago, Sharpie said:

 

I apologise if I am wrong, but do I detect some displeasure in you post.

 

 

Very much.

 

I am sick to the back ****ing teeth of trans this trans that, BLM this, BAME, LGBTQWERTYUIOP, Non binary, this that and the next thing.

 

Every second of every single day.  Thrown down our throats at everty opportunity.

 

Everything is becoming political, absolutely everything.  The world hates each other, more so than ever before but there is always someone there to tell you how bad they have it, more so than you.

 

Every single thing nowadays has to do with race, gender, sex etc etc.

 

Minority this and minority that.

 

Can we not just rest for one day, just one.

 

This is the most counter productive crusade in the history of civilisation.

 

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by i8hibsh

[HamishMcGonagall]

3 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Exactly my thinking . Kids like attention and being viewed as unique . Affirmation by adults doesn’t help in their gender identity at that age . It’s bordering on abuse 

 

It's not just the affirmation from the parents, it's the doctors too. The doctors that don't provide affirmative therapy are given dogs abuse and accused of being a transphobe or whatever. 

 

A teenage girl is taken by her parents to see a doctor and she says "I feel like a boy in a girls body". The doctor has to agree with her "well you must be a boy then, we'll get you on some puberty blockers".

 

The same situation but this time the girl is anorexic... "I feel fat. I look in the mirror and I'm fat". The doctor doesn't agree and say "you're right, you are fat. We'll set you up on a diet plan and some slimming pills".

 

We can all see that the doctors response to the second example would be ridiculous, yet for the first, we're supposed to agree that this is the best way to treat this??

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

24 minutes ago, HamishMcGonagall said:

 

It's not just the affirmation from the parents, it's the doctors too. The doctors that don't provide affirmative therapy are given dogs abuse and accused of being a transphobe or whatever. 

 

A teenage girl is taken by her parents to see a doctor and she says "I feel like a boy in a girls body". The doctor has to agree with her "well you must be a boy then, we'll get you on some puberty blockers".

 

The same situation but this time the girl is anorexic... "I feel fat. I look in the mirror and I'm fat". The doctor doesn't agree and say "you're right, you are fat. We'll set you up on a diet plan and some slimming pills".

 

We can all see that the doctors response to the second example would be ridiculous, yet for the first, we're supposed to agree that this is the best way to treat this??

 

Yep ! 

[Sharpie]

Once again as I do to the annoyance of many I fall back on the old mans, when I was young. Once you paid for all medical treatments, doctors, hospitals the lot.Unless you were rich you did not seek medical aid.  There were girls when we were young that could outfight any boy, play boys games with skill and power  and we called them tom boys, most grew up to be married have children and lived a good life style. When a young policeman female officers became more prevalent and I worked with some again who could show a masculine side, but it never went as far as surgery to transform a woman into a man.

I am now an old man and have no particular judgement on the action of having surgery to redefine oneself into the gender to which ones body and mind are so directed. Having enjoyed all the successes, pleasures and benefits a true self identity can offer, I have to say I wonder how it would be to have lived with a constant mental ache that you are in the wrong body. It is human nature to apply what we seem most suited to, a gentle minded person will be unlikely to be a policeman, that is a decision, but one to be surgically changed from male to female, or reverse is a very serious action. It seems that the medical profession at least have accepted it, but the remainder of society, such as the sports area are still a bit slow and possibly a bit unable to decide completely and equitably how to deal with this to ensure fairness, competition and equality in athletics, because for every good action there is someone who will try to use change to gain an advantage.

[Hesh]

1 hour ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

Very much.

 

I am sick to the back ****ing teeth of trans this trans that, BLM this, BAME, LGBTQWERTYUIOP, Non binary, this that and the next thing.

 

Every second of every single day.  Thrown down our throats at everty opportunity.

 

Everything is becoming political, absolutely everything.  The world hates each other, more so than ever before but there is always someone there to tell you how bad they have it, more so than you.

 

Every single thing nowadays has to do with race, gender, sex etc etc.

 

Minority this and minority that.

 

Can we not just rest for one day, just one.

 

This is the most counter productive crusade in the history of civilisation.

 

 

Don't agree with you very often, but......

[PortyJambo]

5 hours ago, doctor jambo said:

people are now pleural - “they” when there is one of them.

 

When you're reading an article nowadays, it's easy to get confused when the writer starts writing "they" and it's not clear they're actually talking about an individual. Why the plural "they" has been hijacked as a non-binary pronoun makes no sense. 

 

I read a science fiction novel a while back which had people in the future who could be either male of female, and the author introduced new pronouns for them in the book, either "sie" (she/he) or "hir" (his/her) when talking about the non-binary people. It made a lot more sense to me than trying to use "they".

Edited May 18, 2021 by PortyJambo

[i8hibsh]

They seem to want the entire world to follow by their demands, wishes and general code but it is not reciprocated.  The good old one way street of the woke.

 

They want to be called their ridiculous pronounds etc but they don't like people refering to themselves as male or female, he or she.

[i8hibsh]

They are trying to control what comes out of our mouths - how dare they.

[Byyy The Light]

20 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

They are trying to control what comes out of our mouths - how dare they.

I agree with much of what you have to say on this but this is a bit over dramatic.

 

I couldn’t care about any of this so I don’t see it in my every day life. I don’t really understand how people can get so worked up over it?

[Captain Slog]

I feel for @JamesM48 and others like him who have fought all their lives for their rights in this matter.  The last hour on here has really brought it home how you feel any achievements you may have struggled for are being stripped away by a very militant group taking control of the whole movement.

 

One of the reasons I rarely venture into the Terrace is the posters  who happily conflate other topics into discussions. and then have a great deal of anger about and lashing out about it, at anyone in their sights.  One has recently came over to the shed and is posting here, and Id suggest he considers reading the whole thread and considering the very real pain shared by @JamesM48. on behalf of LBT* and also cis women.

 

This thread is about trans athletes.  I actually agree with many of the points raised by the poster from the Terrace about trans, and their sense of demand and entitlement.

 

But to somehow go from there, add in anyone from the LGB (no letters after that) community, and say that because they've had to fight every day of their lives to be accepted that you are sick to your back teeth of hearing about it, is so wrong to do so.  I am so pleased for @James as a human being that he feels confident and secure enough to come on here and post every day, as any of us should, whatever our sexuality.  I hope he continues to post every day, and mentions every day he is gay, so that it enforces how normal it is so that the next generation doesn't have to.

 

IMO its us cis 'straight 'people that should be allowing the gay community to go an entire day without feeling the need to defend themselves.  We're the one with the societal attitude problem, imagine having to fight your whole life fighting to be accepted with your sexuality as in the norm.

 

I meant LGB there obviously, even I, who wants equality, am still woefully ignorant)

Edited May 18, 2021 by Captain Slog

[i8hibsh]

Just now, Byyy The Light said:

I agree with much of what you have to say on this but this is a bit over dramatic.

 

I couldn’t care about any of this so I don’t see it in my every day life. I don’t really understand how people can get so worked up over it?

 

I guess we just move in different circles.  In my circles (work etc) it is saturated.

 

These people are becoming a cliché.  Modern day Millie Tants.

 

you could literally go up to them with a checklist and they will support them all or have the same ideals.

 

Pro BLM

Pro Palestine

Supporters of Che Guevara

And no doubt have a rainbow flag flying somewhere also.

Anti capitalist

Pro communism

Anti establishment

 

****ing fraud's the lot of them.

 

[Captain Slog]

5 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

I guess we just move in different circles.  In my circles (work etc) it is saturated.

 

These people are becoming a cliché.  Modern day Millie Tants.

 

you could literally go up to them with a checklist and they will support them all or have the same ideals.

 

Pro BLM

Pro Palestine

Supporters of Che Guevara

And no doubt have a rainbow flag flying somewhere also.

Anti capitalist

Pro communism

Anti establishment

 

****ing fraud's the lot of them.

 

Ruth Davidson is going to be very surprised she was all this I feel.

[i8hibsh]

15 minutes ago, Captain Slog said:

I feel for @JamesM48 and others like him who have fought all their lives for their rights in this matter.  The last hour on here has really brought it home how you feel any achievements you may have struggled for are being stripped away by a very militant group taking control of the whole movement.

 

One of the reasons I rarely venture into the Terrace is the posters  who happily conflate other topics into discussions. and then have a great deal of anger about and lashing out about it, at anyone in their sights.  One has recently came over to the shed and is posting here, and Id suggest he considers reading the whole thread and considering the very real pain shared by @JamesM48. on behalf of LBT* and also cis women.

 

This thread is about trans athletes.  I actually agree with many of the points raised by the poster from the Terrace about trans, and their sense of demand and entitlement.

 

But to somehow go from there, add in anyone from the LGB (no letters after that) community, and say that because they've had to fight every day of their lives to be accepted that you are sick to your back teeth of hearing about it, is so wrong to do so.  I am so pleased for @James as a human being that he feels confident and secure enough to come on here and post every day, as any of us should, whatever our sexuality.  I hope he continues to post every day, and mentions every day he is gay, so that it enforces how normal it is so that the next generation doesn't have to.

 

IMO its us cis 'straight 'people that should be allowing the gay community to go an entire day without feeling the need to defend themselves.  We're the one with the societal attitude problem, imagine having to fight your whole life fighting to be accepted with your sexuality as in the norm.

 

I meant LGB there obviously, even I, who wants equality, am still woefully ignorant)

 

 

I like James, he is definitely one of the very few on JKB I do not have on the '***** list' but it would be wrong for me to suggest or assume he has 'fought all his life' or 'struggled' just because he is gay as it would be for him to suggest or assume I have had it easy being straight.

 

I know nothing of his life and to me, his stories are his business.  I certainly would not believe however he has had it easy, no one has in life.  I certainly don't see the UK as being the epicentre for struggling with sexuality. 

 

I look back to the 60s and how it was illegal to be a homosexual.  This is barbaric to me but that world is quite literally a universe away from what we have now.

 

It is the whole white straight men have it easy - this is sexist, racist and highly insulting.

 

I heard on the news a few days back a women getting interviewed saying women are scared walking home at night.  I certainly feel this is the case, but so are many men sweetheart.  It is not a man v women thing - there are just horrible people out there and those around them are affected by them.

Edited May 18, 2021 by i8hibsh

[i8hibsh]

2 minutes ago, Captain Slog said:

Ruth Davidson is going to be very surprised she was all this I feel.

 

 

I really like RD - I find her genuine.

[Captain Slog]

Lol, maybe not the minutiae, but I'm agreeing with gist of @i8hibsh posts, its safe to go look at the Terrace again then?

[Byyy The Light]

19 minutes ago, i8hibsh said:

 

I guess we just move in different circles.  In my circles (work etc) it is saturated.

 

These people are becoming a cliché.  Modern day Millie Tants.

 

you could literally go up to them with a checklist and they will support them all or have the same ideals.

 

Pro BLM

Pro Palestine

Supporters of Che Guevara

And no doubt have a rainbow flag flying somewhere also.

Anti capitalist

Pro communism

Anti establishment

 

****ing fraud's the lot of them.

 

We must do which is fair enough. Do you work in higher education by chance?

 

My impression is that it’s prominent in these circles but a bit like social media it’s a self confirming wormhole. Students have rallied behind causes and social campaigns since day dot. It’s like a right of passage.

 

I see very little evidence of swathes of people engaging in militant behaviour ramming trans down my throat in everyday life. Certainly outwith social media, but I don’t go on there. Same as I wouldn’t go in to a pub that was full of people shouting about causes I couldn’t care about.

 

If it isn’t for you just keep walking and find a  pub more suited to your taste. Live and let live. 
 

 

Edited May 18, 2021 by Byyy The Light

[i8hibsh]

1 minute ago, Byyy The Light said:

We must do which is fair enough. Do you work in higher education by chance?

 

My impression is that it’s prominent in these circles but a bit like social media it’s a self confirming wormhole. Students have rallied behind causes and social campaigns sign the day dot. It’s like a right of passage.

 

I see very little evidence of swathes of people engaging in militant behaviour ramming trans down my throat in everyday life. Certainly outwith social media, but I don’t go on there. Same as I wouldn’t go in to a pub that was full of people shouting about causes I couldn’t care about.

 

If it isn’t for you just keep walking and find a  pub more suited to your taste. Live and let live. 
 

 

 

 

I work for a multi national bank.  These multi nationals are bending over backwards to be more 'inclusive and diverse' than the other.  They are trying so hard that they now do not see there is nothing 'inclusive and diverse' about what they do.

 

Today I (and the entire company) got an email about a 'futures' program.  Only available to people who identify as being from an ethnic minority background.  Now, they think they are being all progressive but they just can't see the wood for the trees.

 

They are saying, you will not get this job if you are white.  It beggars belief really.

[i8hibsh]

5 minutes ago, Byyy The Light said:

We must do which is fair enough. Do you work in higher education by chance?

 

My impression is that it’s prominent in these circles but a bit like social media it’s a self confirming wormhole. Students have rallied behind causes and social campaigns sign the day dot. It’s like a right of passage.

 

I see very little evidence of swathes of people engaging in militant behaviour ramming trans down my throat in everyday life. Certainly outwith social media, but I don’t go on there. Same as I wouldn’t go in to a pub that was full of people shouting about causes I couldn’t care about.

 

If it isn’t for you just keep walking and find a  pub more suited to your taste. Live and let live. 
 

 

 

 

Hard to ever disagree with this part, however it should be a two way street and it just isn't.

[i8hibsh]

Btw I did not mispell 'militant', Millie Tant was a Viz character.

[Captain Slog]

1 minute ago, i8hibsh said:

 

 

I work for a multi national bank.  These multi nationals are bending over backwards to be more 'inclusive and diverse' than the other.  They are trying so hard that they now do not see there is nothing 'inclusive and diverse' about what they do.

 

Today I (and the entire company) got an email about a 'futures' program.  Only available to people who identify as being from an ethnic minority background.  Now, they think they are being all progressive but they just can't see the wood for the trees.

 

They are saying, you will not get this job if you are white.  It beggars belief really.

I'd apply.  The most under achieving, and under resourced, ethnic community is poor white.  Theresa May I think once alluded to this with her poor white boys speech.

[i8hibsh]

Just now, Captain Slog said:

I'd apply.  The most under achieving, and under resourced, ethnic community is poor white.  Theresa May I think once alluded to this with her poor white boys speech.

 

 

Yeah this is true and it is sadly our fault.

 

If you are a child from an Indian, Pakistani or Chinese (to name but 3) you are far more likely to succeed than anyone else in the UK.

 

They are knocking it out the park on so many levels.  Fair paly to them, it is all about study and hard work and not booze, shagging and drugs.

 

But sadly, no one gives a **** about the plight you mention - it is all about BAME and marginalised people (you really can't make this shit up).

[JudyJudyJudy]

38 minutes ago, Captain Slog said:

I feel for @JamesM48 and others like him who have fought all their lives for their rights in this matter.  The last hour on here has really brought it home how you feel any achievements you may have struggled for are being stripped away by a very militant group taking control of the whole movement.

 

One of the reasons I rarely venture into the Terrace is the posters  who happily conflate other topics into discussions. and then have a great deal of anger about and lashing out about it, at anyone in their sights.  One has recently came over to the shed and is posting here, and Id suggest he considers reading the whole thread and considering the very real pain shared by @JamesM48. on behalf of LBT* and also cis women.

 

This thread is about trans athletes.  I actually agree with many of the points raised by the poster from the Terrace about trans, and their sense of demand and entitlement.

 

But to somehow go from there, add in anyone from the LGB (no letters after that) community, and say that because they've had to fight every day of their lives to be accepted that you are sick to your back teeth of hearing about it, is so wrong to do so.  I am so pleased for @James as a human being that he feels confident and secure enough to come on here and post every day, as any of us should, whatever our sexuality.  I hope he continues to post every day, and mentions every day he is gay, so that it enforces how normal it is so that the next generation doesn't have to.

 

IMO its us cis 'straight 'people that should be allowing the gay community to go an entire day without feeling the need to defend themselves.  We're the one with the societal attitude problem, imagine having to fight your whole life fighting to be accepted with your sexuality as in the norm.

 

I meant LGB there obviously, even I, who wants equality, am still woefully ignorant)

Thanks . Yes like you said the thread is about trans athletes and issues regarding that . However as I have noted before trans are now linked in with LGB so now LGB now have more abuse due to this . I do post regular on these threads and occasionally mention my sexuality if relevant to the subject or discussion . I’m sure heterosexual do this also . As fir people maybe being “ sick “ of people fighting for their rights to equally I can’t understand how that can be an issue as those sick of those aren’t getting any of their rights taken away . It’s never easy being any minority in society for a variety of reasons , so it can be an added stress in life . Just when you think things are fine you can be hit in the face with it all again . I recall a couple years ago after a Derby me and my friend meant a few mates of his In the pub . All Hearts fans together until one of them heard I was gay , and he reply was “ I don’t like p***s” ! I’m not seeking sympathy just illustrating experiences what do happen at times , which can shake you .