Konrad von Carstein Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 21 minutes ago, pablo said: In my experience, there's always an element of fact denying involved when it comes to Separatists, doesn't matter if it's the Scottish Government's own economic data or the Institute of Fiscal Studies. Even the milder ones believe in the conspiracy theories. And in my experience, there is mainly the belief that we want Scotland to run it's own affairs as any normal independent country should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 4 hours ago, JackLadd said: Why the eff should I? Nothing has been proven. What a state to get into. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Nucky Thompson said: There's a couple of headbangers on this thread higher up the list. One makes a constant tit of himself Jack Ladd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Roxy Hearts said: Jack Ladd? Today the biggest walloper here is you, Roxy. No answers on the economic collapse an iScotland in the EU would mean. Crickets! Time you admitted your agenda is Indy at any cost which is what you and the snp are pushing 100% on Thursday along with bribe n lie. If the SNP admitted they are for Indy at any cost I'd have a smidgeon of respect instead all they can do is bribe n lie and hoodwink wains and dafties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Today the biggest walloper here is you, Roxy. No answers on the economic collapse an iScotland in the EU would mean. Crickets! Time you admitted your agenda is Indy at any cost which is what you and the snp are pushing 100% on Thursday along with bribe n lie. If the SNP admitted they are for Indy at any cost I'd have a smidgeon of respect instead all they can do is bribe n lie and hoodwink wains and dafties. I have no agenda. Independence is normal, most countries are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 31 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: I have no agenda. Independence is normal, most countries are! We have a country it's called Britain, a small island we share with England and Wales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 Thanks to the two or three people who engaged with the questions. Just as a reminder, what I'm interested in is what people think will happen to the 16 seats in the region when a couple of hundred thousand people go out to vote. It's something I'd imagine people on the board would be interested in. If I recall correctly from my days on the management team at JKB, a huge percentage of JKB posters will be voting in that region and those constituencies. So, leaving aside how YOU plan to vote, how do you think the results will work out? Me, I'm still not sure and I wouldn't make my mind up until the day itself, though right now late on Monday night if I had to take a bet I'd gamble on the SNP gaining one, the Tories losing one and no other changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Thanks to the two or three people who engaged with the questions. Just as a reminder, what I'm interested in is what people think will happen to the 16 seats in the region when a couple of hundred thousand people go out to vote. It's something I'd imagine people on the board would be interested in. If I recall correctly from my days on the management team at JKB, a huge percentage of JKB posters will be voting in that region and those constituencies. So, leaving aside how YOU plan to vote, how do you think the results will work out? Me, I'm still not sure and I wouldn't make my mind up until the day itself, though right now late on Monday night if I had to take a bet I'd gamble on the SNP gaining one, the Tories losing one and no other changes. I’m hoping Daniel Johnson is re-elected for Labour Edinburgh southern he’s a decent principled hard working msp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Thanks to the two or three people who engaged with the questions. Just as a reminder, what I'm interested in is what people think will happen to the 16 seats in the region when a couple of hundred thousand people go out to vote. It's something I'd imagine people on the board would be interested in. If I recall correctly from my days on the management team at JKB, a huge percentage of JKB posters will be voting in that region and those constituencies. So, leaving aside how YOU plan to vote, how do you think the results will work out? Me, I'm still not sure and I wouldn't make my mind up until the day itself, though right now late on Monday night if I had to take a bet I'd gamble on the SNP gaining one, the Tories losing one and no other changes. The SNP certainly won’t lose anything in this election. Despite perception from their supporters they’ve had a relatively easy ride from the press over the last 12 months with Sturgeon being praised for her handling of the COVID issue. The only spanner in the works could be people conflating the Edinburgh council’s performance with the parliamentary party. Labour have just taken too long to start to get their act together, and the Conservatives have made a very poor choice of leader who seems universally unpopular and lightweight. Lib Dem as mentioned in the thread will probably hold what they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: I’m hoping Daniel Johnson is re-elected for Labour Edinburgh southern he’s a decent principled hard working msp SNP won it by less than 700 votes in 2011, when it was almost a 4-way marginal. The Lib Dem vote collapsed in 2016, and this time Johnson won it by about 1,100 votes. To what extent to local factors and personalities play out in constituencies in Scotland? They're a huge influence here. You'd wonder if the SNP candidate has what it takes to overhaul Johnson. And it's worth remembering that the Tories weren't that far off the pace in 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Hearts Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 29 minutes ago, JackLadd said: We have a country it's called Britain, a small island we share with England and Wales. Britain is not a country! What's sharing an island got to do with it. I don't care who the English or Welsh vote for it's their problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tazio said: The SNP certainly won’t lose anything in this election. Despite perception from their supporters they’ve had a relatively easy ride from the press over the last 12 months with Sturgeon being praised for her handling of the COVID issue. The only spanner in the works could be people conflating the Edinburgh council’s performance with the parliamentary party. Labour have just taken too long to start to get their act together, and the Conservatives have made a very poor choice of leader who seems universally unpopular and lightweight. Lib Dem as mentioned in the thread will probably hold what they have. And any gains for the SNP? Central looks like a serious prospect, and Southern is a definite marginal (sorry James). You'd imagine Cole-Hamilton should hold the seat in Western. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, Ulysses said: And any gains for the SNP? Central looks like a serious prospect, and Southern is a definite marginal (sorry James). You'd imagine Cole-Hamilton should hold the seat in Western. I genuinely wouldn’t make any predictions for this election as public opinion seems to be swaying every which way just now. Cole-Hamilton will be safe I reckon, and Central will be an interesting one as we’ll find out if it’s been a personality over policies seat recently though my gut feeling is will go to SNP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Roxy Hearts said: Britain is not a country! What's sharing an island got to do with it. I don't care who the English or Welsh vote for it's their problem. From Wikipedia: Great Britain and Northern Ireland, commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain, is a sovereign country in north-western Europe. That clear that up for you Roxy? The rest of your post is narrow minded verging on bigotry. Edited May 3, 2021 by JackLadd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 minute ago, JackLadd said: From Wikipedia: Great Britain and Northern Ireland, commonly known as the United Kingdom (UK) or Britain, is a sovereign country in north-western Europe. That clear that up for you Roxy? The rest of your post is narrow minded verging on bigotry. Oh right so the island of Britain is a country is it? You got that right did you? You're coming apart at the seams man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Smithee said: Oh right so the island of Britain is a country is it? You got that right did you? You're coming apart at the seams man Its says on my passport it is so that's enough for me. And you or the snp are not taking that away btw. Edited May 3, 2021 by JackLadd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, JackLadd said: Its says on my passport it is so that's enough for me. So what do you think the results will look like in the Lothian region? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Its says on my passport it is so that's enough for me. And you or the snp are not taking that away btw. Your passport doesn't say this island is called Britain or that it's a country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, Smithee said: Your passport doesn't say this island is called Britain or that it's a country. So... ...what do you think the results will look like in the Lothian region? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, Smithee said: Your passport doesn't say this island is called Britain or that it's a country. It says United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. As of today I live in Great Britain the island the Romans called Britannia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Ulysses said: So... ...what do you think the results will look like in the Lothian region? **** knows I don't live there, haven't for nearly 20 years and polls are notoriously unreliable. The unionists have got particularly shrill very early though which suggests they're not very comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 minute ago, JackLadd said: It says United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. As of today I live in Great Britain the island the Romans called Britannia. Well that's certainly more accurate than what you actually said "We have a country it's called Britain, a small island we share with England and Wales" You have a right problem with admitting getting things wrong eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Smithee said: The unionists have got particularly shrill very early though which suggests they're not very comfortable. How dare anybody be uncomfortable with what the SNP want for Scotland. The scoundrel SNP should terrify any thinking Scot not blind to their lies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Smithee said: **** knows I don't live there, haven't for nearly 20 years and polls are notoriously unreliable. Are they, though? Last time, the polls did the job they were designed to do. They didn't land anything exactly right, but everything was well within normal margins of error. The problem with the polls isn't unreliability. It's that they tend to be national, so while they might give a good pointer across the election as a whole, they don't necessarily tell you what will happen in particular areas. On the subject of living there, I remember when I was involved in the management team here seeing how local the JKB membership base was. I can't remember the percentages, but that stats showed that only a small minority of people accessing the board were "far from Gorgie". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, JackLadd said: How dare anybody be uncomfortable with what the SNP want for Scotland. The scoundrel SNP should terrify any thinking Scot not blind to their lies. Yes. And what do you think the results will look like in the Lothian region? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Smithee said: Well that's certainly more accurate than what you actually said "We have a country it's called Britain, a small island we share with England and Wales" You have a right problem with admitting getting things wrong eh? Britain is an island. NI is a province or British territory which is why they are separate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Ulysses said: Are they, though? Last time, the polls did the job they were designed to do. They didn't land anything exactly right, but everything was well within normal margins of error. The problem with the polls isn't unreliability. It's that they tend to be national, so while they might give a good pointer across the election as a whole, they don't necessarily tell you what will happen in particular areas. On the subject of living there, I remember when I was involved in the management team here seeing how local the JKB membership base was. I can't remember the percentages, but that stats showed that only a small minority of people accessing the board were "far from Gorgie". I don't know, when I say unreliable I should say they're an inexact science. They'll be broadly right within tolerances but there's still quite a variation of results available within those tolerances. I don't live or work in the area, I don't read much from the polls so I don't have much to go on. I don't think the SNP are falling though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown user Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Britain is an island. NI is a province or British territory which is why they are separate. You really are quite stupid. Bit personal considering you're the one getting stuff wrong mate. Great Britain is an island, Britain isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Smithee said: I don't know, when I say unreliable I should say they're an inexact science. Good for trends though, and on that basis there isn't a lot of evidence that SNP support is falling. In fact, the national picture suggests very little overall change from 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, Smithee said: Bit personal considering you're the one getting stuff wrong mate. Great Britain is an island, Britain isn't. And I intend keeping it great. Great Britain. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 minute ago, JackLadd said: And I intend keeping it great. Great Britain. Thanks. Will you be voting in an Edinburgh constituency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Yes. And what do you think the results will look like in the Lothian region? Not holding out huge hope given the level of lies they have spun to the gullible. No gains a minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Not holding out huge hope given the level of lies they have spun to the gullible. No gains a minimum. My own take on it is that there will be very little change across Scotland, and in Lothian there's probably one extra seat in it for the SNP at the expense of the Conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ulysses said: Will you be voting in an Edinburgh constituency? Yes. Edinburgh Central. Will have to be Tory Tory. I would vote any anti SNP candidate if that stopped them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ulysses said: My own take on it is that there will be very little change across Scotland, and in Lothian there's probably one extra seat in it for the SNP at the expense of the Conservatives. It's going to be a scary night given the agenda they are going to push if unhindered. Very damaging to Scotland, its commerce and fabric, and hugely stressful to many ordinary Scots who don't want to be put through the ringer again. Much worse than 2014 given we are out of the EU with a hard earned trade deal that the SNP want to tear up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, JackLadd said: Yes. Edinburgh Central. Will have to be Tory Tory. I would vote any anti SNP candidate if that stopped them. The Conservatives always scored about 15-17% in Edinburgh Central until Ruth Davidson was the candidate in 2016 and doubled the tally. She got most of her vote from Labour and the Lib Dems, and who knows if Scott Douglas will retain that element of the vote. I also wonder if Alison Johnstone might put in a better than expected performance for the Greens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, JackLadd said: It's going to be a scary night given the agenda they are going to push if unhindered. Very damaging to Scotland, its commerce and fabric, and hugely stressful to many ordinary Scots who don't want to be put through the ringer again. Much worse than 2014 given we are out of the EU with a hard earned trade deal that the SNP want to tear up. I'll happily post about Scotland, the UK and trade, but on another thread - and as you can gather I'm not short of opinions on the matter. I'm far more interested in what will happen than in what people want to happen, and it is of local interest to Hearts supporters, which is why I posted the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 hours ago, JackLadd said: Britain is an island. NI is a province or British territory which is why they are separate. The British Isles. Big Island - Great Britain which consists of England, Wales and Caledonian. You know, the place Romans couldn't conquer. Pity they didn't have traitors back then. They might not have had to build a couple of walls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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XB52 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, pablo said: Of course, but to fully believe in the economic case for removing Scotland from the UK, you have to believe that our governments, both Scottish and UK are making up data to hide Scotland's true wealth and that bodies, such as the IFS are wrong. Mental Well it's been proved that the uk government hid reports about the worth of North Sea oil as they were worried about it leading to a surge of support for our independence. Fact by the way Edited to stay on topic😊. Would love Hamilton to lose his seat but I doubt it. Would settle for snp staying with the same number as before Edited May 4, 2021 by XB52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 7 hours ago, Ulysses said: SNP won it by less than 700 votes in 2011, when it was almost a 4-way marginal. The Lib Dem vote collapsed in 2016, and this time Johnson won it by about 1,100 votes. To what extent to local factors and personalities play out in constituencies in Scotland? They're a huge influence here. You'd wonder if the SNP candidate has what it takes to overhaul Johnson. And it's worth remembering that the Tories weren't that far off the pace in 2016. Daniel helped me last year with a personal issue . He really got things moving for me , kept me updated etc . So for purely personal reasons he’ gets my vote. But that’s What they are there for , to serve their constituents .he has put a lot of hard work into his campaign so hopefully he is successful . I actually don’t mind most of Labour policies either . I had voted Snp previous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Edinburgh Pentlands will be close again between the snp and tories. No chance of any other party winning it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucky Thompson Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, JamesM48 said: Daniel helped me last year with a personal issue . He really got things moving for me , kept me updated etc . So for purely personal reasons he’ gets my vote. But that’s What they are there for , to serve their constituents .he has put a lot of hard work into his campaign so hopefully he is successful . I actually don’t mind most of Labour policies either . I had voted Snp previous That's as good a reason as any to give someone your vote I can't understand why people choose a political party and stick with them like a football team. Political parties should be judged on their performance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudyJudyJudy Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: That's as good a reason as any to give someone your vote I can't understand why people choose a political party and stick with them like a football team. Political parties should be judged on their performance Exactly Nucky , we aren’t trees 🌲 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said: That's as good a reason as any to give someone your vote I can't understand why people choose a political party and stick with them like a football team. Political parties should be judged on their performance Spot on. If the party I vote for ****s me over I'll put my vote elsewhere. It does look like Independence at any cost for many nationalists, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konrad von Carstein Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 8 hours ago, JackLadd said: And I intend keeping it great. Great Britain. Thanks. It appears that you are (blissfully) unaware the the "Great" in Great Britain doesn't mean "Awesome" or "Brilliant". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 I used to live in Gilmerton and I’m interested to see how that vote plays out. There has been a lot of huge housing developments spring up around places like Gilmerton and I wonder if this will change the makeup of the votes in these traditionally labour areas. I now stay in Edinburgh Western and it seems to be between lib dem and SNP, I don’t stick to the same party like a football team and I’m still pretty undecided this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ulysses said: Thanks to the two or three people who engaged with the questions. Just as a reminder, what I'm interested in is what people think will happen to the 16 seats in the region when a couple of hundred thousand people go out to vote. It's something I'd imagine people on the board would be interested in. If I recall correctly from my days on the management team at JKB, a huge percentage of JKB posters will be voting in that region and those constituencies. So, leaving aside how YOU plan to vote, how do you think the results will work out? Me, I'm still not sure and I wouldn't make my mind up until the day itself, though right now late on Monday night if I had to take a bet I'd gamble on the SNP gaining one, the Tories losing one and no other changes. Thanks for trying to bring back on topic Edinburgh West voter here. Still wavering, my head says Liberal whilst my heart says SNP. 2nd vote Alba. Historically the West of Edinburgh has had a strong liberal base, in my lifetime Donald Gorrie, as a councillor and then MP. Throughout the Thatcher years it was Tory. The westminster seat has been unionist or liberal for over 100 years with the exception of a couple of occasions. Edited May 4, 2021 by The Frenchman Returns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 18 hours ago, JackLadd said: Would like to see proof up to April this year and what his domicile status is. Not taking a tweet as evidence. Likely he is not declaring all his earnings. Just perfect. Amazing. In terms of the election I'd like to see how Alba do. I'm unsure if I should be SNP 1 + 2 or give Alba or Greens my 2nd. The argument that SNP 2nd vote is a bit of a waste seems a strong one but I can't say I've looked much into it. Happy to be educated here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, hughesie27 said: Just perfect. Amazing. In terms of the election I'd like to see how Alba do. I'm unsure if I should be SNP 1 + 2 or give Alba or Greens my 2nd. The argument that SNP 2nd vote is a bit of a waste seems a strong one but I can't say I've looked much into it. Happy to be educated here. Trash the hood with these clowns by all means but don't expect me to pay for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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