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wavydavy
5 hours ago, gregzy2k7 said:

250k + halkett we will even throw in damour for free 🙃

 

Sods law we will find Halkett turns into another Ross Callachan once he leaves us. 😍

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Auldreekie1874
30 minutes ago, johnking123 said:

We are going for Shayne Lavery. [b]But few clubs looking at him.[/b]

 

If his wiki stats are correct then I can see why.

 

19 goals from 21 starts this season for Linfield 

 

29 from 52 overall.

 

Yes Please.

 

 

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wavydavy
2 minutes ago, Auldreekie1874 said:

 

 

Remember Aidan Keena?

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Cruyff
4 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Remember Aidan Keena?

Aidan Keena wasn't in the same realm as Lavery. 

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Auldreekie1874
1 minute ago, wavydavy said:

 

Remember Aidan Keena?

 

Keena was just a kid when he came to us and hadn't scored a professional goal. There's a big difference between these 2 players.

 

Having said that, I have never seen Lavery play and admit to just  liking the look of his stats (assuming they are correct). But doubled with our noted interest then I'd be happy for us to take a chance on him.

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Barack

Going for more Irish people? Will annoy a certain xenophobe.

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GinRummy
1 hour ago, johnking123 said:

We are going for Shayne Lavery. But few clubs looking at him.

Thanks for info John 👍

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GinRummy

I like the sound of Lavery. We need to be after players who are up and coming and who’s best days are in front of them. Not all will work out but it’s a risk and reward balance. 

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1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

I like the sound of Lavery. We need to be after players who are up and coming and who’s best days are in front of them. Not all will work out but it’s a risk and reward balance. 

The NI contingent at Hearts, will be all over him privately. 

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9 minutes ago, Barack said:

The NI contingent at Hearts, will be all over him privately. 

Hopefully bending his ear for us. 

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Lavery has some great stats, as much a backwater as Scottish football is though, the Northern Irish league is worse so its a big step up for him.  That said, Boyce went from Cliftonville to Ross County and did really well. 

 

I think coming to Scotland (be it us, or someone else) makes sense. Too easy to get swallowed up in England. 

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wavydavy
10 minutes ago, OTT said:

Lavery has some great stats, as much a backwater as Scottish football is though, the Northern Irish league is worse so its a big step up for him.  That said, Boyce went from Cliftonville to Ross County and did really well. 

 

I think coming to Scotland (be it us, or someone else) makes sense. Too easy to get swallowed up in England. 

 

 

He did but he also had a stint at Werder Bremen before Ross County after he left Cliftonville and then rejoined them.

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wavydavy
1 hour ago, Auldreekie1874 said:

 

Keena was just a kid when he came to us and hadn't scored a professional goal. There's a big difference between these 2 players.

 

Having said that, I have never seen Lavery play and admit to just  liking the look of his stats (assuming they are correct). But doubled with our noted interest then I'd be happy for us to take a chance on him.

 

 

In that case it would have been a great opportunity for us to have been able to develop him.

 

Lavery is 22 so as you say there is an age difference and he was at Everton as a youth but obviously that didn't work for him.

 

I don't have a problem with us taking players like this if we can advance them and give them a shot a first team football but we don't have a great history of that in the last few years.

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wavydavy
24 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

Hopefully bending his ear for us. 

 

I wonder if our NI guys are aware of him and pointed him out to the club or if this is a Joe Savage find?

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I'd have been making an offer for Steven O'Donnell in January. Perfect competition for Smith. Brandon needs to go and find himself a new challenge, been here too long. O'Donnell though, shame he signed a new contract with Motherwell. I liked Shay Logan throughout his time at Aberdeen. Wanted Hearts to go for him even before Smith arrived. I'll be quite happy if we give him a year or so's contract. It'll give Smith a break sometimes and he plays like someone a lot younger.

Hearts would be mad not to even speak to Jimmy Dunne. He might say yes and fancy the challenge for a couple of years before going back south. Perfect replacement for Berra. 

Mentioned a few times over the last season that Hearts should be looking at Jamie McGrath at St Mirren. I remember wanting Hearts to go for John McGinn before he frustratingly arrived at Hibs. McGrath looks to be the next one that stands out at St Mirren. A number 10 type and has scored about 15 or 16 goals for them. We can't keep burying our heads in the sand and ignoring these players. If we don't get them, Hibs or Aberdeen will. People like Dunne and McGrath have a potential to bag us some decent transfer money in the future, the ones we sign have no value and that needs to change.

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GinRummy
8 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

I wonder if our NI guys are aware of him and pointed him out to the club or if this is a Joe Savage find?

When McEneff signed there was chat that Savage was familiar with the market over there. Could be the players though, not a big country so the football community can’t be huge. 

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wavydavy
1 minute ago, GinRummy said:

When McEneff signed there was chat that Savage was familiar with the market over there. Could be the players though, not a big country so the football community can’t be huge. 

 

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7 minutes ago, jambonian said:

I'd have been making an offer for Steven O'Donnell in January. Perfect competition for Smith. Brandon needs to go and find himself a new challenge, been here too long. O'Donnell though, shame he signed a new contract with Motherwell. I liked Shay Logan throughout his time at Aberdeen. Wanted Hearts to go for him even before Smith arrived. I'll be quite happy if we give him a year or so's contract. It'll give Smith a break sometimes and he plays like someone a lot younger.

Hearts would be mad not to even speak to Jimmy Dunne. He might say yes and fancy the challenge for a couple of years before going back south. Perfect replacement for Berra. 

Mentioned a few times over the last season that Hearts should be looking at Jamie McGrath at St Mirren. I remember wanting Hearts to go for John McGinn before he frustratingly arrived at Hibs. McGrath looks to be the next one that stands out at St Mirren. A number 10 type and has scored about 15 or 16 goals for them. We can't keep burying our heads in the sand and ignoring these players. If we don't get them, Hibs or Aberdeen will. People like Dunne and McGrath have a potential to bag us some decent transfer money in the future, the ones we sign have no value and that needs to change.

haven't seen mcgrath but 16 goals (5 assists as well) in 50 games seems reasonable for a midfielder. it would depend how much st liedown wanted for him as his contract runs for another year

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7 minutes ago, jambonian said:

I'd have been making an offer for Steven O'Donnell in January. Perfect competition for Smith. Brandon needs to go and find himself a new challenge, been here too long. O'Donnell though, shame he signed a new contract with Motherwell. I liked Shay Logan throughout his time at Aberdeen. Wanted Hearts to go for him even before Smith arrived. I'll be quite happy if we give him a year or so's contract. It'll give Smith a break sometimes and he plays like someone a lot younger.

Hearts would be mad not to even speak to Jimmy Dunne. He might say yes and fancy the challenge for a couple of years before going back south. Perfect replacement for Berra. 

Mentioned a few times over the last season that Hearts should be looking at Jamie McGrath at St Mirren. I remember wanting Hearts to go for John McGinn before he frustratingly arrived at Hibs. McGrath looks to be the next one that stands out at St Mirren. A number 10 type and has scored about 15 or 16 goals for them. We can't keep burying our heads in the sand and ignoring these players. If we don't get them, Hibs or Aberdeen will. People like Dunne and McGrath have a potential to bag us some decent transfer money in the future, the ones we sign have no value and that needs to change.

 

Totally agree. 

 

Its why nearly all of my posts are banging on about not signing 'journeyman' types, the SPFL isn't La Liga, or the EPL. A competent coach who can work with young players and develop them can help make us money. Too many of our signings are finished articles (which for our level means poor) meaning we can never sell them on. No one is going to pay money for Bozanic, Damour, Grzlak, White etc. These are stupid signings that don't seem to be following any sort of transfer policy or strategy. 

 

Players like McGrath, Dunne, McCann, Kerr, Hendry, Edwards, Hamilton, Campbell are all young enough to develop (even just for a year to then flip to a club down south). 

 

I'm not saying we don't need senior players, of course we do. But we need to be selective on who they are, quality not quantity. Players in the mould of Cowie, Hughes, Berra, Naismith, Gordon are the correct types. Even Whelan, but obviously he didn't want to be here and there was ample red flags which Levein ignored (not willing to move here, not wanting to do media duties, not wanting to attend all the training sessions with the rest of the squad). Players who have played at a high level and have had an international career of note are ones worth signing. No mark journeymen - especially from out with Scotland is a pointless waste of our limited resources. 

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1 minute ago, OTT said:

 

Totally agree. 

 

Its why nearly all of my posts are banging on about not signing 'journeyman' types, the SPFL isn't La Liga, or the EPL. A competent coach who can work with young players and develop them can help make us money. Too many of our signings are finished articles (which for our level means poor) meaning we can never sell them on. No one is going to pay money for Bozanic, Damour, Grzlak, White etc. These are stupid signings that don't seem to be following any sort of transfer policy or strategy. 

 

Players like McGrath, Dunne, McCann, Kerr, Hendry, Edwards, Hamilton, Campbell are all young enough to develop (even just for a year to then flip to a club down south). 

 

I'm not saying we don't need senior players, of course we do. But we need to be selective on who they are, quality not quantity. Players in the mould of Cowie, Hughes, Berra, Naismith, Gordon are the correct types. Even Whelan, but obviously he didn't want to be here and there was ample red flags which Levein ignored (not willing to move here, not wanting to do media duties, not wanting to attend all the training sessions with the rest of the squad). Players who have played at a high level and have had an international career of note are ones worth signing. No mark journeymen - especially from out with Scotland is a pointless waste of our limited resources. 

I think the usual word on Kickback for this is "projects"

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GinRummy
2 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

I think the usual word on Kickback for this is "projects"

‘Projects’ has become a bit of a catch all to include injury ravaged players and players who haven’t played in a while as well as younger guys trying to move up a level. Sounds like you’re not too keen on the phrase and neither am I, although I have used it. It’s too vague. 

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10 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

Totally agree. 

 

Its why nearly all of my posts are banging on about not signing 'journeyman' types, the SPFL isn't La Liga, or the EPL. A competent coach who can work with young players and develop them can help make us money. Too many of our signings are finished articles (which for our level means poor) meaning we can never sell them on. No one is going to pay money for Bozanic, Damour, Grzlak, White etc. These are stupid signings that don't seem to be following any sort of transfer policy or strategy. 

 

Players like McGrath, Dunne, McCann, Kerr, Hendry, Edwards, Hamilton, Campbell are all young enough to develop (even just for a year to then flip to a club down south). 

 

I'm not saying we don't need senior players, of course we do. But we need to be selective on who they are, quality not quantity. Players in the mould of Cowie, Hughes, Berra, Naismith, Gordon are the correct types. Even Whelan, but obviously he didn't want to be here and there was ample red flags which Levein ignored (not willing to move here, not wanting to do media duties, not wanting to attend all the training sessions with the rest of the squad). Players who have played at a high level and have had an international career of note are ones worth signing. No mark journeymen - especially from out with Scotland is a pointless waste of our limited resources. 


It’s a fine line. 
 

For me, I think we need players to come in and perform from Day One. Preferably young but with a number of games behind them. 
 

If they push on and get interest from down south then that’s great but I want them to help us achieve things first. 
 

We must stop signing journeyman like Whelan and Hughes (I’ll take Zlatan or Rudi though 😁) and we must stop signing anyone who is a good reputation but long term injury issues. 
 

We still need to be in the market for u21s we can develop as well. 


But the priority is players who can do a job now. 
 

Easy!!

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Leveins Battalion

Quite simply we need to get some younger players in,we need to target the 20/26 age groups.


Big summer to start undoing all the shit.😀

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JamboAl
6 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

‘Projects’ has become a bit of a catch all to include injury ravaged players and players who haven’t played in a while as well as younger guys trying to move up a level. Sounds like you’re not too keen on the phrase and neither am I, although I have used it. It’s too vague. 

I think it's used when one doesn't particularly like a player or the person responsible for his signing.

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jambonian
18 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

haven't seen mcgrath but 16 goals (5 assists as well) in 50 games seems reasonable for a midfielder. it would depend how much st liedown wanted for him as his contract runs for another year

 

There's a lot of players we have that might relish a new challenge. If you think of the amount that we could realistically get rid off we could use a few as make-weights in one or two player-plus-cash deals. We did things like that in the past (John Millar plus cash to Raith Rovers for Colin Cameron springs to mind). Offer Roberts to Motherwell and a bit of cash for Alan Campbell for example, or Devante Cole. It would obviously depend on whether the said club would be interested. But a bit of cash in the bank could be enough to tempt them. Lewis Moore and someone else for McGrath, any of these sort of permutations. Clubs like St Mirren, Motherwell, Ross County etc etc will be desperate to get at least some cash to cover the losses of 2020/21

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3 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

I think it's used when one doesn't particularly like a player or the person responsible for his signing.

In fairness, i remember Levein using that term himself on a number of occasions for the likes of Sean Clare, Aidy White and one or two others. I'd doubt that any fans would've even used that term if it hadn't been heard/seen in the media.

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Famous 1874

Lavery sounds interesting and I assume a player that Savage knows. 

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55 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

 

In that case it would have been a great opportunity for us to have been able to develop him.

 

Lavery is 22 so as you say there is an age difference and he was at Everton as a youth but obviously that didn't work for him.

 

I don't have a problem with us taking players like this if we can advance them and give them a shot a first team football but we don't have a great history of that in the last few years.

 

 

This is the types I'd like us to look at more, say 19-22/23 age group and players that didn't quite make it at bigger clubs. 

 

Lots of these players do well at championship level, some even move back up again. 

 

Being mainly English They also  tend not to fear the OF as well. 

 

This Sprinkled with a few older internationals and provan  players, with a side of youth will do me well. 

 

 

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JamboAl
14 minutes ago, jambonian said:

In fairness, i remember Levein using that term himself on a number of occasions for the likes of Sean Clare, Aidy White and one or two others. I'd doubt that any fans would've even used that term if it hadn't been heard/seen in the media.

I thought it might be Levein's fault.

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jambonian
11 minutes ago, Famous 1874 said:

Lavery sounds interesting and I assume a player that Savage knows. 

 

Affordable goalscorers are hard to find. I don't know if Hearts are interested or not and if we're not, we should be.

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jambonian
Just now, JamboAl said:

I thought it might be Levein's fault.

 

It was his choice of words to be fair.

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Lfhearts

As regards Lavery doubt we are interested but will check. Linfield FT next season so things are changing.

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Smith's right boot
Just now, jambonian said:

 

Affordable goalscorers are hard to find. I don't know if Hearts are interested or not and if we're not, we should be.

 

 

"Affordable goal scorers are hard to find" 

True goal scorers, the lasting kind.... 

 

 

 

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heartmussel

It’s going to be difficult in the market we are looking at,constantly hearing of a major rebuild at Aberdeen, and Porteous and Nisbet departing Hibs,we will all be looking in the same market/price range.

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9 minutes ago, JamboAl said:

Got a link?


Yes. 

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Tazio
11 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

"Affordable goal scorers are hard to find" 

True goal scorers, the lasting kind.... 

 

 

 

I doubt Fergal is a Linfield man. 

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GinRummy
12 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

"Affordable goal scorers are hard to find" 

True goal scorers, the lasting kind.... 

 

 

 

A good Hearts these days is hard to find.

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20 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

"Affordable goal scorers are hard to find" 

True goal scorers, the lasting kind.... 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

A good Hearts these days is hard to find.


I wish they’d be gentle with this heart of mine 

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30 minutes ago, GinRummy said:

A good Hearts Team these days is hard to find.

 

Ftfy😉

22 minutes ago, Des Lynam said:

 


I wish they’d be gentle with this heart of mine 

 

👍

 

How many posters are humming that tune now 😂😂

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Smith's right boot
29 minutes ago, Tazio said:

I doubt Fergal is a Linfield man. 

 

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36 minutes ago, heartmussel said:

It’s going to be difficult in the market we are looking at,constantly hearing of a major rebuild at Aberdeen, and Porteous and Nisbet departing Hibs,we will all be looking in the same market/price range.

 

 

True, but Aberdeen is a shite hole and Hibs are selling to fill the covid financial gap. 

 

We on the other hand are emptying a teams worth of wages and because of Mr Benny Factor and foh have cash to burn. 

 

 

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GinRummy
5 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

True, but Aberdeen is a shite hole and Hibs are selling to fill the covid financial gap. 

 

We on the other hand are emptying a teams worth of wages and because of Mr Benny Factor and foh have cash to burn. 

 

 

So third then?

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Smith's right boot
Just now, GinRummy said:

So third then?

 

No reason not to aim for that. 

 

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jamboinglasgow
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11 hours ago, Jamboj1 said:

Philosophy’s are more to offer a base to the club, ideal age of signings, type of player we look for, sell on potential etc. If we have decided we want to play attacking football (which i believe we should be) then our scouts will be focussing on players capable of this. The exact players we sign and formation used however is of course down to manager. 

 

Cheers for the info, think it will be a fascinating summer seeing who we go after. Though have already seen on twitter people complaining that our potential signings are awful based on 1 paper story, 1 misunderstanding of another paper story and a rumour on here. 

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17 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

True, but Aberdeen is a shite hole and Hibs are selling to fill the covid financial gap. 

 

We on the other hand are emptying a teams worth of wages and because of Mr Benny Factor and foh have cash to burn. 

 

 

Aberdeen might be dull, its not the epicentre of entertainment, but a shite hole it certainly is not. 

 

Great place for schools for example if you are a player with family. 

 

Its a bit dense to suggest all players would choose Edinburgh over Aberdeen, though I agree many would. 

 

Not the deciding factor for many I would think. 

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Rave MacPherson

I see Djoum is out of contract next month. 

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Sir Gio
7 minutes ago, Rave MacPherson said:

I see Djoum is out of contract next month. 

As much as I was a fan,  a bit like Logan, looking for a younger version of those 2 would be good moves.

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