PapaShango Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Smith is a decent right back and centre half but not a wing back. He rarely makes it over the half way line and we really need to be looking at bringing someone in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionDJambo Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 52 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: He took a knock in the 2nd half yesterday and worsened it when he sprinted 2/3 of the length of the pitch to track back, and then again when he went into a hard 50/50 with one of their attackers. He limped off at full time but was really struggling the last 10mins or so and our lack of having anyone suitable on the bench might have worsened an otherwise minor injury. Hopefully it's nothing but if he's carrying that knock into the next game then that could be a problem. Smith took a knock in the warm up which seemed to be causing a bit of concern. Taking another heavy blow during the game won't have helped. Haring also seemed to have something amiss during the warmup. I thought both of them were off their usual pace yesterday. Could be they were hampered by those issues pre match. We definitely need a bigger squad, as I imagine we all know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Sean Clare…… https://www.footballfancast.com/charlton-athletic-news/clare-oxford-adkins-league-one-charlton I’d like to see his name banned like a swear word which will save folk bringing him up. Saves the embarrassment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: You are correct - we need a right back who can go past him.. that’s how you create space.. smith is one of the biggest issues we have Go past and also be able to pass or cross the ball well. I had hoped we were thinking about an upgrade in this area, Shay Logan is no world beater but was much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Drylaw Hearts said: Sean Clare…… https://www.footballfancast.com/charlton-athletic-news/clare-oxford-adkins-league-one-charlton I’d like to see his name banned like a swear word which will save folk bringing him up. Saves the embarrassment. Evidently he still believes he’s a central midfielder, you’d think he’d learn from when he played his best football at full back. He’ll end up out of the leagues if he continues to believe that’s what he is or he could forge a career out in the championship at fullback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Go past and also be able to pass or cross the ball well. I had hoped we were thinking about an upgrade in this area, Shay Logan is no world beater but was much better. he was. said it on another thread, it was no coincidence we improved massively with Logan. The lack of threat on that side it absolutely obvious.. I don’t want to slaughter smith, but his best position now is CB. He is very decent in there, can pass, is fast enough and is undoubtedly a clever defender with good positonal sense. but he cannot be our first pick right back. It stifles everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Evidently he still believes he’s a central midfielder, you’d think he’d learn from when he played his best football at full back. He’ll end up out of the leagues if he continues to believe that’s what he is or he could forge a career out in the championship at fullback. To be a full back you need to be able to defend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyRightPeg Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, Drylaw Hearts said: To be a full back you need to be able to defend. You think he played badly for us at right back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylaw Hearts Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: You think he played badly for us at right back? He just didn’t play as badly as he did in CM…..it’s muddied your vision. Sean Clare is an awful footballer in all positions imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the general Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Any transfer news updates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdoug79 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: he was. said it on another thread, it was no coincidence we improved massively with Logan. The lack of threat on that side it absolutely obvious.. I don’t want to slaughter smith, but his best position now is CB. He is very decent in there, can pass, is fast enough and is undoubtedly a clever defender with good positonal sense. but he cannot be our first pick right back. It stifles everything 100% agree! We should of kept Logan! We should now move Smith inside, that lets us use Smith, Halkett, Soutter, Kingsley, Cochrane or Haring as CB and prioritise a RWB Edited August 23, 2021 by Mdoug79 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobskeldon Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Drylaw Hearts said: He just didn’t play as badly as he did in CM…..it’s muddied your vision. Sean Clare is an awful footballer in all positions imo. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: You think he played badly for us at right back? He only played about 5 games there. This thing about him being a good right back because he played 2 or 3 half decent games there under Stendel is another KB myth - debunked. Clare was an expensive flop, awful player and a good bit of business by Neilson getting him shipped out and off the wage bill ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 40 minutes ago, OldGorgie said: I thought that many on here said the one thing that Levein fixed was the academy. They may have done. I have to admit I fell for CL’s guff for a long time and was expecting more from the academy. Hoping it can be fixed and we see a better return soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Drylaw Hearts said: He just didn’t play as badly as he did in CM…..it’s muddied your vision. Sean Clare is an awful footballer in all positions imo. He looked much better going forward from a deep position. Defending needed a lot of work.I doubt whether he could have improved the defending side enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaps Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Batistuta87 said: I thought that ship had sailed long ago. True. Just from what I have seen of Smith I don't think he's going to make it at Hearts. Gladly be proven wrong though, of course. How can you write a players off after only playing 4 games? Not sure how many of them a starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 The RWB role is tailor made for someone like Patterson at Rangers, who need to give him game time as they aren't going to play him and Tavernier together it looks like. Having a powerful overlapping wing back would add a whole new dimension to our team, and give us cover with Smith playing as one of the 3 CBs. There is of course the downside of developing a rival teams player and if Rangers would even be interested in loaning him out, but as a short term arrangement, would it suit both teams if we couldn't get a RWB in by the end of the window? Hopefully we are bringing someone in permanently but just floating it out there, like a Smith cross... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: he was. said it on another thread, it was no coincidence we improved massively with Logan. The lack of threat on that side it absolutely obvious.. I don’t want to slaughter smith, but his best position now is CB. He is very decent in there, can pass, is fast enough and is undoubtedly a clever defender with good positonal sense. but he cannot be our first pick right back. It stifles everything Middle of the three would be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 With the window open for another 8 days was working out based on Robbie's comments yesterday and rumours what the squad will be in September. First team squad of: Craig Gordon, Ross Stewart John Souttar, Craig Halkett, New CB, Michael Smith Stephen Kingsley, Alex Cochrane, Cammy Logan Beni Beningime, Andy Halliday, Peter Haring, Aaron McEneff, Cameron Devlin, Finlay Pollok Gary Mackay-Steven, Josh Ginnelly, Liam Boyce Armand Gnanduillet, Ben Woodburn, Jamie Walker x2 new signings (positions to be determined) Fringe players: Leon Watson, Harris Spratt, Jamie Brandon (when back from injury) Players out on loan: Scott McGill, Loic Damour, Harry Stone, Arron Darge, Euan Henderson, Aiden Denholm Connor Smith, Sean Docherty, Chris Hamilton, Jay Charleston-King, Ryan Schivone Players to leave between now and end of window: Jordan Roberts, Michal Popescu I could be completely wrong but at the moment thats what things are suggesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davie1980 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Costanza said: The RWB role is tailor made for someone like Patterson at Rangers, who need to give him game time as they aren't going to play him and Tavernier together it looks like. Having a powerful overlapping wing back would add a whole new dimension to our team, and give us cover with Smith playing as one of the 3 CBs. There is of course the downside of developing a rival teams player and if Rangers would even be interested in loaning him out, but as a short term arrangement, would it suit both teams if we couldn't get a RWB in by the end of the window? Hopefully we are bringing someone in permanently but just floating it out there, like a Smith cross... Celtic have done it for Hibs more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, Costanza said: The RWB role is tailor made for someone like Patterson at Rangers, who need to give him game time as they aren't going to play him and Tavernier together it looks like. Having a powerful overlapping wing back would add a whole new dimension to our team, and give us cover with Smith playing as one of the 3 CBs. There is of course the downside of developing a rival teams player and if Rangers would even be interested in loaning him out, but as a short term arrangement, would it suit both teams if we couldn't get a RWB in by the end of the window? Hopefully we are bringing someone in permanently but just floating it out there, like a Smith or a Neilson cross... FTFY 😜. No harm in asking them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: With the window open for another 8 days was working out based on Robbie's comments yesterday and rumours what the squad will be in September. First team squad of: Craig Gordon, Ross Stewart John Souttar, Craig Halkett, New CB, Michael Smith Stephen Kingsley, Alex Cochrane, Cammy Logan Beni Beningime, Andy Halliday, Peter Haring, Aaron McEneff, Cameron Devlin, Finlay Pollok Gary Mackay-Steven, Josh Ginnelly, Liam Boyce Armand Gnanduillet, Ben Woodburn, Jamie Walker x2 new signings (positions to be determined) Fringe players: Leon Watson, Harris Spratt, Jamie Brandon (when back from injury) Players out on loan: Scott McGill, Loic Damour, Harry Stone, Arron Darge, Euan Henderson, Aiden Denholm Connor Smith, Sean Docherty, Chris Hamilton, Jay Charleston-King, Ryan Schivone Players to leave between now and end of window: Jordan Roberts, Michal Popescu I could be completely wrong but at the moment thats what things are suggesting. Good work. With the right additional 2 players we have a decent squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainsley Harriott Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 21 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: You think he played badly for us at right back? He would have done well in that role with back 3 next to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, GinRummy said: Good work. With the right additional 2 players we have a decent squad. Yup, would hope the two others mentioned are a right sided FB/WB and striker. I cant see why we would let Henderson go out on loan if we dont bring in a forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, davie1980 said: Celtic have done it for Hibs more than once. Henderson, Mcgeouch, Commons, Ambrose, Stokes, Allan off the top of my head. All stopped when after buying Scott Allan and giving them the money to buy McGinn initially they wouldn’t sell him to them for a low price 😆. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: FTFY 😜. No harm in asking them. Ha see what you did there. Neilson's throw ins were better than his crosses! So much so, that I seem to remember a throw in competition on Scotsport (throw in throne or something) and he won it easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, the general said: Any transfer news updates? Charlton might loan us Sean Clare to play RWB 😱🤔😜?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 20 minutes ago, the general said: Any transfer news updates? Dont be asking sensible questions like that on this thread mate. 😡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, Costanza said: Ha see what you did there. Neilson's throw ins were better than his crosses! So much so, that I seem to remember a throw in competition on Scotsport (throw in throne or something) and he won it easily. Yeah that was his main strength, two or three goals came from it which is more than his crosses 🙈. Smith is obviously a better player than his manager was but they do have similarities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Sir Gio said: If we put 4 kids in there so far, be sitting on 1 point instead of 7. Having said that very much looking forward to seeing Pollock in the weeks to come, like him a lot He is out for at least six weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 56 minutes ago, chrystaf said: But he's not a wing back and neither is GMS, just two examples of players asked to play out of position. Ginnelly in particular was lost back in our half. Basically our tactics were crap. You have missed my point and neither was actually playing as w ing back that was Smith and Halliday's roles. Robbie switched to a back four and Ginnelly should have tracked back was my point but he wasn't being asked to play as a wing back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Section Q said: Halliday's best games have been at LB. Left wing back, in the Championship. He’s now shown he’s not good enough to play for us in any position, can’t wait to see where he’s wedged into next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGoodLaugh Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 44 minutes ago, RustyRightPeg said: Evidently he still believes he’s a central midfielder, you’d think he’d learn from when he played his best football at full back. He’ll end up out of the leagues if he continues to believe that’s what he is or he could forge a career out in the championship at fullback. To be fair Oxford signed him from us as a right back, giving him the number 2 shirt. Less than 6 months later they'd seen enough and punted him out on loan. I think he might just not be very good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Pasquale for King said: Left wing back, in the Championship. He’s now shown he’s not good enough to play for us in any position, can’t wait to see where he’s wedged into next week. Thank goodness we have Beni otherwise we would have really struggled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, wavydavy said: Thank goodness we have Beni otherwise we would have really struggled. Indeed, the balancing act of waiting for the quality to come in makes it more important to use what we have well. I’m not sure if we’re getting the best out of Boyce, GMS, Gnanduillet, Smith or McEneff in this formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Left wing back, in the Championship. He’s now shown he’s not good enough to play for us in any position, can’t wait to see where he’s wedged into next week. Away from home to a Dundee Utd team that have had a few decent result so Robbie will go with the same mindset that he did at Parkhead. If Kingsley is fit and assuming we have no new signings in and fit to play I would suspect he will play Kingsley at CB and Cochrane in front of him and move Halliday more centrally and leave out either GMS or Ginnelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 Just now, Pasquale for King said: Indeed, the balancing act of waiting for the quality to come in makes it more important to use what we have well. I’m not sure if we’re getting the best out of Boyce, GMS, Gnanduillet, Smith or McEneff in this formation. We are getting viryually nothing out ok him and McEneff is a luxury Robbie doesn't want to use at the moment for reason's only known to him. He seems fearful of attacking a team early on in a game away from home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Panzee Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, wavydavy said: Away from home to a Dundee Utd team that have had a few decent result so Robbie will go with the same mindset that he did at Parkhead. If Kingsley is fit and assuming we have no new signings in and fit to play I would suspect he will play Kingsley at CB and Cochrane in front of him and move Halliday more centrally and leave out either GMS or Ginnelly. be amazed if Nielsen drops Ginnelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairdy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 19 hours ago, jonnothejambo said: Needs a rest? It's feckin August! couldn't help laughing at that one jonno 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said: be amazed if Nielsen drops Ginnelly. I would prefer Ginnelly on rather than GMS but I think he will do the same as he did at Parkhead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jim Panzee said: be amazed if Nielsen drops Ginnelly. He’s not done much last couple of games. Is it just a case of wingers being the most inconsistent of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WASTREL Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 2 hours ago, GinRummy said: Aye, I heard that it is more or less Savage who deserves the credit for the latest signings so don't want to praise Robbie for something he had little to no part in. Baningime wasn't getting his chance at Everton and Cochrane at Brighton. We have players who have come through the academy at the same age and they aren't getting a sniff with us. It's not their age, as far as I can make out, it seems to be more that they are not good enough or not ready. Hickey and Irving got their chance. Joe Savage explained the process as being "Robbie provides the positional requirement, type of player, and physical attributes he wants the new player to have and the job for him and his staff is to come up with a list of options then between him and Robbie they determine who to target" ... not sure that means Robbie has little or no part in the selection of our transfer targets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 31 minutes ago, Chaps said: How can you write a players off after only playing 4 games? Not sure how many of them a starts. I've seen him a good 10-12 times for the Reserves. It's a while now since I last did obviously, but I used to go round to Oriam every Tuesday afternoon when they were at home. Stand-out players from those games were Alex Petkov, Anthony McDonald, Calum Morrison and Aiden Keena, all of whom have been moved on. Smith was never as good as them (although as pointed out previously he was younger) and I think will follow them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulf Jambo Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 3 hours ago, soonbe110 said: McEneff will fill in at RWB if Smith is out I’d think. Could do Connor Smith too. He filled in at RWB in pre season and did very well. Much better in attack but has the speed to recover defensively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pasquale for King Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, wavydavy said: Away from home to a Dundee Utd team that have had a few decent result so Robbie will go with the same mindset that he did at Parkhead. If Kingsley is fit and assuming we have no new signings in and fit to play I would suspect he will play Kingsley at CB and Cochrane in front of him and move Halliday more centrally and leave out either GMS or Ginnelly. Has to get the Uber Hun in somewhere. 12 minutes ago, wavydavy said: We are getting viryually nothing out ok him and McEneff is a luxury Robbie doesn't want to use at the moment for reason's only known to him. He seems fearful of attacking a team early on. Fixed that for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulf Jambo Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: I've seen him a good 10-12 times for the Reserves. It's a while now since I last did obviously, but I used to go round to Oriam every Tuesday afternoon when they were at home. Stand-out players from those games were Alex Petkov, Anthony McDonald, Calum Morrison and Aiden Keena, all of whom have been moved on. Smith was never as good as them (although as pointed out previously he was younger) and I think will follow them. I like C.Smith. Seems like an intelligent player, still just 19 so has time to improve Morrison has found a new home at Falkirk, doing very well. Sure someone like Livi will pick him up soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 9 minutes ago, Disco Ball said: Joe Savage explained the process as being "Robbie provides the positional requirement, type of player, and physical attributes he wants the new player to have and the job for him and his staff is to come up with a list of options then between him and Robbie they determine who to target" ... not sure that means Robbie has little or no part in the selection of our transfer targets Thanks. I think I read something similar before but it didn’t stay in my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David McCaig Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Gulf Jambo said: I like C.Smith. Seems like an intelligent player, still just 19 so has time to improve Morrison has found a new home at Falkirk, doing very well. Sure someone like Livi will pick him up soon Falkirk will probably be at Livvy’s level next year!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 1 minute ago, David McCaig said: Falkirk will probably be at Livvy’s level next year!! We live in hope. That pitch is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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