We have the best academy in Scotland.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

1 minute ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Yes and I've asked the question how can these players be said to be not good enough, yet are playing a division above how can they get games and seem to be doing alright at these teams but we can't get anything out of them? Explain it to me?. 

 

How come they can't get a game for us?. 

 

Last time i checked we are Heart of Midlothian, we play in Scotland? Not the English premiership so is the standard really that high? 😂just pure bull your coming out with. 

Ok Bongo. Of those 3 players, which of them do you want in our team for next season, assuming we could sign all of them?

[Bongo 1874]

3 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Maybe that's because it is the "best academy" after all!

 

Spock's head would have blown by now with all these logic fails.

I just find it incredible that these players are now playing in a division above us 🤔, yet aren't good enough for us?. 

 

As I've said about the first team it ain't the players 👍. 

 

 

[Bongo 1874]

4 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Yep, I remember that Denis Irwin being moved to left-back by Man Utd and, er, being a model of consistency.

Yep we are that level 🤔. 

[DH1986]

Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

Yes and I've asked the question how can these players be said to be not good enough, yet are playing a division above how can they get games and seem to be doing alright at these teams but we can't get anything out of them? Explain it to me?. 

How come they can't get a game for us?. 

 

Last time i checked we are Heart of Midlothian, we play in Scotland? Not the English premiership so is the standard really that high? 😂just pure bull your coming out with. 

Holt dropped 3 divisions to Rangers an was a bit part player for his entire time there. I think he had a couple of loan moves to England and ended up at second chance specialists Livi. Robinson failed at Killie, dropped to Part-Time and has had one decent year at Livi. Only scored a handful of goals though. Smith is another who dropped down two divisions.

 

Liam Smith wouldn’t be ahead of Micheal Smith for me....Holt wouldn’t be ahead of Haring and Robinson wouldn’t be ahead of Boyce. 
 

 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

3 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

I just find it incredible that these players are now playing in a division above us 🤔, yet aren't good enough for us?. 

 

As I've said about the first team it ain't the players 👍. 

 

 

We were demoted last season. Had Stendel kept us from demotion, which I think he would have if we had played a full season, then this line of argument wouldn't exist.

 

So I'm going to blame Stendel for them being in a higher division because two can play at absurd logic and reasoning.

[Bongo 1874]

1 minute ago, DH1986 said:

Holt dropped 3 divisions to Rangers an was a bit part player for his entire time there. I think he had a couple of loan moves to England and ended up at second chance specialists Livi. Robinson failed at Killie, dropped to Part-Time and has had one decent year at Livi. Only scored a handful of goals though. Smith is another who dropped down two divisions.

 

Liam Smith wouldn’t be ahead of Micheal Smith for me....Holt wouldn’t be ahead of Haring and Robinson wouldn’t be ahead of Boyce. 
 

 

And the backup to Haring, the backup to Smith, and the backup to Boyce, last time I checked you can make subs?. 

 

 

[Bongo 1874]

1 minute ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

We were demoted last season. Had Stendel kept us from demotion, which I think he would have if we had played a full season, then this line of argument wouldn't exist.

 

So I'm going to blame Stendel for them being in a higher division because two can play at absurd logic and reasoning.

That's nonsense these players were let go way before Stendel got here 😂😂. 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

2 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

And the backup to Haring, the backup to Smith, and the backup to Boyce, last time I checked you can make subs?. 

 

 

So they play in a higher division but in your world they would be happy to be back ups in a lower division?

 

 

Just stop.

Edited April 11, 2021 by Geoff Kilpatrick

[Jambo in Bathgate]

17 hours ago, ri Alban said:

If Robbie had used youth this season, he'd have put us in the shite. Experienced players were needed to get us out of this league. Job done. End of. 

Now, tell us more about your hero DS, and how he fecked us right over. 

My thought exactly. Horses for courses. The trouble is that season 14/15 we had a team made up of youngsters who were forced the season before to play because of the transfer embargo. We built a team around the best of them along with additions blew the Championship away. This season required signing players to try and change the losing mentality that had been in the club for the previous three seasons. 

[DH1986]

Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

And the backup to Haring, the backup to Smith, and the backup to Boyce, last time I checked you can make subs?. 

 

 

I wish we could sub you.

 

You say we ruin youngsters, then you list 3 who are playing at a higher level....now you are saying they’d just be subs to our players playing at a lower level.

 

You’re in a right mess here.

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

1 minute ago, Bongo 1874 said:

That's nonsense these players were let go way before Stendel got here 😂😂. 

Yes, of course it is nonsense but it is THE EXACT SAME AS THE NONSENSE YOU ARE COMING OUT WITH!

 

That's the point!

[Bongo 1874]

3 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

Holt dropped 3 divisions to Rangers an was a bit part player for his entire time there. I think he had a couple of loan moves to England and ended up at second chance specialists Livi. Robinson failed at Killie, dropped to Part-Time and has had one decent year at Livi. Only scored a handful of goals though. Smith is another who dropped down two divisions.

 

Liam Smith wouldn’t be ahead of Micheal Smith for me....Holt wouldn’t be ahead of Haring and Robinson wouldn’t be ahead of Boyce. 
 

 

Holt and Robinson that plays for livi who are 5th Liam Gordon St Johnstone who are 6th, Liam Smith Dundee United who are 7th. 

 

 

[DH1986]

Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

Holt and Robinson that plays for livi who are 5th Liam Gordon St Johnstone who are 6th, Liam Smith Dundee United who are 7th. 

 

 

But they’re not as good as the players we currently have in those positions?
 

How would that continue their development Bongo ? Being a sub every week.........

[Bongo 1874]

1 minute ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

So they play in a higher division but in your world they would be happy to be back ups in a lower division?

 

 

Just stop.

 

1 minute ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Yes, of course it is nonsense but it is THE EXACT SAME AS THE NONSENSE YOU ARE COMING OUT WITH!

 

That's the point!

These players wouldn't get a game for Hearts yet are a division above us enough said. 

 

At worst they could be backup if we were in the Scottish Premiership. 

 

But we let them go and replaced them with pish facts. 

[Bongo 1874]

3 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

But they’re not as good as the players we currently have in those positions?
 

How would that continue their development Bongo ? Being a sub every week.........

Sorry did we buy a whole squad this season or was the basis of it kept?. 

Edited April 11, 2021 by Bongo 1874

[DH1986]

1 minute ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Sorry did we buy a whole squad this season or were the basis of it kept?. 

If we had signed McGhee, Holt, Robinson and Smith last summer I can’t say many would have been happy.

 

You wouldn’t have been happy.

[Bongo 1874]

7 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

So they play in a higher division but in your world they would be happy to be back ups in a lower division?

 

 

Just stop.

Yeah and they would be cheaper too, to have on bench and I doubt they would be costing the club 3k a week like the guy from Coventry is 😉. 

[Bongo 1874]

Just now, DH1986 said:

If we had signed McGhee, Holt, Robinson and Smith last summer I can’t say many would have been happy.

 

You wouldn’t have been happy.

No because they shouldn't of been let go in the first place they've been replaced by crap?. 

 

Look at Marc Leonard, Jordan Roberts, these guys don't come out with the stuff they have for no reason. 

[Tazio]

McGhee wasn’t good enough at the time for hearts and found his level at Falkirk. Robinson was awful at Hearts, Holt didn’t want to stay and wouldn’t sign a new contract. Smith I would have kept as he looked like he had a bit about him. They weren’t chased screaming out the door. 

[DH1986]

6 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

No because they shouldn't of been let go in the first place they've been replaced by crap?. 

 

Look at Marc Leonard, Jordan Roberts, these guys don't come out with the stuff they have for no reason. 

😂

 

We didn’t let go of McGhee or Holt. They wanted to leave....one wanted a move down south when the opportunity arose and the latter refused a contract as he knew Rangers wanted him.

 

Robinson almost disappeared from the game altogether......you think you’d have been happy with him doing nothing for years and years before finding 6 months of form ?
 

Liam Smith was let go because we had Michael Smith and Brandon coming through. How many RB’s do you want us to have in the squad ?

 

 

Edited April 11, 2021 by DH1986

[Bongo 1874]

3 minutes ago, Tazio said:

McGhee wasn’t good enough at the time for hearts and found his level at Falkirk. Robinson was awful at Hearts, Holt didn’t want to stay and wouldn’t sign a new contract. Smith I would have kept as he looked like he had a bit about him. They weren’t chased screaming out the door. 

Holt was made to train with the reserves after asking management about his game time, he then went on loan. 

 

Every single one of them could of offered something to our club, instead we replaced them with crap. 

 

I disagree I think every single one of them was good enough to play for our club. 

 

Robinson was also made to train with the reserves. 

 

After asking management about game time. 

 

Keatings then followed same happened. 

 

Ozturk questioned management dropped stripped of captaincy. 

Edited April 11, 2021 by Bongo 1874

[Bongo 1874]

3 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

😂

 

We didn’t let go of McGhee or Holt. They wanted to leave....one wanted a move down south when the opportunity arose and the latter refused a contract as he knew Rangers wanted him.

 

Robinson almost disappeared from the game altogether......you think you’d have been happy with him doing nothing for years and years before finding 6 months of form ?
 

Liam Smith was let go because we had Michael Smith and Brandon coming through. How many RB’s do you want us to have in the squad ?

 

 

See above ^. 

[Tazio]

2 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Holt was made to train with the reserves after asking management about his game time, he then went on loan. 

 

Every single one of them could of offered something to our club, instead we replaced them with crap. 

 

I disagree I think every single one of them was good enough to play for our club. 

Now you’re just making things up. Holt made it very clear he wanted to leave to go to Rangers. And if you think Robinson and McGhee were good enough at that time I despair. 

[Bongo 1874]

Just now, Tazio said:

Now you’re just making things up. Holt made it very clear he wanted to leave to go to Rangers. And if you think Robinson and McGhee were good enough at that time I despair. 

No Holt was told he wouldn't be a first team starter which resulted in him training with the reserves, then went on loan to Sheffield united 👍. 

 

Forced out just like Scott Robinson, if you ever get the chance to ask either of them, they will know exactly who I am and will confirm 👍. 

[DH1986]

Just now, Bongo 1874 said:

See above ^. 

At absolutely no point during RN’s first season back in the Premier League do I recall anyone saying we should have kept Robinson or Holt.

 

I don’t recall anyone saying we should be signing Jordan McGhee when he was leaving Falkirk.

 

I don’t recall anyone wanting Liam Smith to replace Micheal Smith at any point over the last 4 seasons.

 

 

Bongo.....stop talking shite. Please.

[Bongo 1874]

Just now, DH1986 said:

At absolutely no point during RN’s first season back in the Premier League do I recall anyone saying we should have kept Robinson or Holt.

 

I don’t recall anyone saying we should be signing Jordan McGhee when he was leaving Falkirk.

 

I don’t recall anyone wanting Liam Smith to replace Micheal Smith at any point over the last 4 seasons.

 

 

Bongo.....stop talking shite. Please.

No I'm not saying they did what I'm arguing is why let them go, for letting them go did we really replace them with better?. 

[DH1986]

10 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

No I'm not saying they did what I'm arguing is why let them go, for letting them go did we really replace them with better?. 

Yes we did.

 

Holt out and Djoum in.

 

McGhee out and Souttar in.

 

M Smith in and L Smith out.

 

[Drumjambo]

12 hours ago, jr ewing said:

Don't forget Popescu Roberts Stewart......

 

Popbombscare is a funny one as we released the Laddie Petkov(without playing a 1st team game)  who at 6ft 4 and built like a battleship surely had a chance in this league - I mean he must have shown something to be with us, what was it 4 years ??

[Bongo 1874]

50 minutes ago, DH1986 said:

Yes we did.

 

Holt out and Djoum in.

 

McGhee out and Souttar in.

 

M Smith in and L Smith out.

 

Djoum, nope pallardo was brought in for Holt, a holding midfielder. 

 

McGhee wasn't replaced by Souttar, Souttar was brought in last minute , and Hearts gambled on him, he was out of favour at Dundee United.

 

And Michael Smith wasn't the replacement to Liam Smith. 

 

 

He was Patersons replacement. 

 

We loaned Liam Smith out as the management had no trust and belief in him. 

 

 

[sadj]

**** me this thread has given me a migraine 🤪🤪 , Academy is ok and needs to start producing as its about the time it should come good the next couple of years.

 

There is posts as if people think the inly thing a player wants to do is stay in one place and hope they get a chance. Its a career. If you want to be the best you do whats best for you. Doig did that and can’t be blamed for doing so. Holt knew Rangers wanted him and Robinson ffs , thats like saying we should have signed Shankland when he decided to go part time because we foresaw he’d have a purple patch in a few years. 
 

 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

10 minutes ago, sadj said:

**** me this thread has given me a migraine 🤪🤪 , Academy is ok and needs to start producing as its about the time it should come good the next couple of years.

 

There is posts as if people think the inly thing a player wants to do is stay in one place and hope they get a chance. Its a career. If you want to be the best you do whats best for you. Doig did that and can’t be blamed for doing so. Holt knew Rangers wanted him and Robinson ffs , thats like saying we should have signed Shankland when he decided to go part time because we foresaw he’d have a purple patch in a few years. 
 

 

Indeed. Not in Bongoland though.

[Bongo 1874]

2 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Indeed. Not in Bongoland though.

You’re entitled to your opinion no problem with that, if you think we didn't have bad recruitment and didn't ruin youth that's entirely upto you. 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Bongo 1874

[Stendelnator]

2 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Djoum, nope pallardo was brought in for Holt, a holding midfielder. 

 

McGhee wasn't replaced by Souttar, Souttar was brought in last minute , and Hearts gambled on him, he was out of favour at Dundee United.

 

And Michael Smith wasn't the replacement to Liam Smith. 

 

 

He was Patersons replacement. 

 

We loaned Liam Smith out as the management had no trust and belief in him. 

 

 

They played in the same team on numerous occasions. 

[Bongo 1874]

9 minutes ago, Stendelnator said:

They played in the same team on numerous occasions. 

Yes but pallardo came to Hearts before Djoum did and Holt went on loan to Sheffield United, the same season pallardo came in 👍. 

 

Djoum was the next again season 👍. 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

13 minutes ago, Stendelnator said:

They played in the same team on numerous occasions. 

Facts don't work on this thread. Holt, if anything, was a No 10 for us.

[Bongo 1874]

4 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Facts don't work on this thread. Holt, if anything, was a No 10 for us.

Yes but Holt left on loan to Sheffield United, the same season pallardo was the midfielder we got in his replacement, Djoum came the next season 23 of September 2015.

 

Isn't that facts?. 

 

We also brought in Kenny Anderson and paid a fee to get him. 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Bongo 1874

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

19 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Yes but Holt left on loan to Sheffield United, the same season pallardo was the midfielder we got in his replacement, Djoum came the next season 23 of September 2015.

 

Isn't that facts?. 

 

We also brought in Kenny Anderson and paid a fee to get him. 

Pallardo played a different position.

 

If anything, Anderson was more of a direct replacement for Holt.

[Bongo 1874]

4 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Pallardo played a different position.

 

If anything, Anderson was more of a direct replacement for Holt.

But Anderson never came until February the 2nd 2015,pallardo came to the club on the 11th of  September 2014. 

 

And Anderson never played much which furthers my point, wouldn't we of been better keeping a hold of Holt? 😂. 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

2 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

But Anderson never came until February the 2nd 2015,pallardo came to the club on the 11th of  September 2014. 

 

And Anderson never played much which furthers my point, wouldn't we of been better keeping a hold of Holt? 😂. 

Bongo, the point people have made to you is that a lot of these players did not want to play reserve football! I know it is difficult for you to get a hold of but that's the career of a player.

 

Gomis and Buaben came in and pushed Holt out. Pallardo came in and rotated with them. We played two wide players and two strikers with one in the No 10 role. Holt was squeezed out. I was disappointed he left but equally, he wasn't getting in the team. Far better he went and got games.

[fast_blood]

8 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said:

The free kick was given away by Smith I was at the game which resulted in him getting booked and Dundee scoring from it 😂🙄Jesus. 

 

He was playing left back that game 👍you have my word. 

 

The point you were trying to make was that the free kick was given away as a direct result of him being played out of position. So did Smith give away the free kick because he couldn't control the ball as he was on his weaker side? 

 

You're almost suggesting that if we had a naturally left sided player playing instead of Smith that no fouls would have been given away or no mistakes would be made. 

 

Funnily enough we had a left sided defender on the bench so we could have held on for a draw had we brought snakey rherras on sooner. 

[DH1986]

6 hours ago, Bongo 1874 said:

Djoum, nope pallardo was brought in for Holt, a holding midfielder. 

 

McGhee wasn't replaced by Souttar, Souttar was brought in last minute , and Hearts gambled on him, he was out of favour at Dundee United.

 

And Michael Smith wasn't the replacement to Liam Smith. 

 

 

He was Patersons replacement. 

 

We loaned Liam Smith out as the management had no trust and belief in him. 

 

 

You are crazy. It’s as simple as that.

 

McGhee left in January 2016 and we brought in Souttar in January 2016 but that doesn’t count in Bongos world....because it doesn’t suit him.

 

 

 

[Geoff Kilpatrick]

1 hour ago, fast_blood said:

 

The point you were trying to make was that the free kick was given away as a direct result of him being played out of position. So did Smith give away the free kick because he couldn't control the ball as he was on his weaker side? 

 

You're almost suggesting that if we had a naturally left sided player playing instead of Smith that no fouls would have been given away or no mistakes would be made. 

 

Funnily enough we had a left sided defender on the bench so we could have held on for a draw had we brought snakey rherras on sooner. 

Actually, Rherras was right footed but did play left back as his preferred position. Although my preferred position for him would have been somewhere like Cowdenbeath.

[sadj]

3 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Actually, Rherras was right footed but did play left back as his preferred position. Although my preferred position for him would have been somewhere like Cowdenbeath.

Ended 🤣🤣

[Nookie Bear]

[Jeffros Furios]

In the strange  world of Bongo . . Hearts are to  blame for McGhee's handball and Pereira being shite . 

Also you can ask all these players who Bongo is as he's well known 

[Bazzas right boot]

 

Are there Lots of us hoping we sign Holt, Robinson and McGhee for next season?

[fast_blood]

40 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said:

Actually, Rherras was right footed but did play left back as his preferred position. Although my preferred position for him would have been somewhere like Cowdenbeath.

 

Hahaha cannot argue with this post. 

[jr ewing]

9 hours ago, Drumjambo said:

 

Popbombscare is a funny one as we released the Laddie Petkov(without playing a 1st team game)  who at 6ft 4 and built like a battleship surely had a chance in this league - I mean he must have shown something to be with us, what was it 4 years ??

Same with Zanatta. Never given a run.

[Unknown user]

3 minutes ago, jr ewing said:

Same with Zanatta. Never given a run.

Zanatta got more of a run than he deserved IMO, he's nowhere near good enough.

[John Findlay]

I would call Bongo 1874 a w⚓, but that is against the forum rules. So I will just contend myself with thinking that Bongo 1874 is a w⚓.