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1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said:

That’s nonsense I’m afraid.
In 2015 Miles Briggs the Tory candidate for Edinburgh South reckoned he had 13k votes tied up, he ended up with 10k as the rest voted for Ian Murray to keep the SNP out. The unionist vote in that area keeps him in a job, twice now he’s been the only Labour MP in the whole country, bucking the trend. 

Murray is a bigger tory than BJ. 

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Ian Murray is a top bloke has done a lot of good work for Scotland, his constituency and Hearts of course - he is nowhere near being a Tory he is a true parliamentarian unlike that complete snp bellend Blackford who is just an embarrassment to the country 

 

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54 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Seriously? Get a grip.

I like reading your stuff,  rarely agree with you mind,  but there's no need for that nonsense.

Fair point, Konrad. I was just referring to the tendency towards intrusive legislation and control,  which was a feature of most of those totalitarian regimes. I'm happy to clarify that the comparison ends there though, given some of the horrific atrocities that took place under those regimes. 

 

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Pasquale for King
47 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Murray is a bigger tory than BJ. 

Well yeah there is that too.
Having seen him and his posse in action at close quarters in different situations I have to say I’m not his biggest fan. 

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Roxy Hearts
3 hours ago, AlimOzturk said:

 


I have always said we need two Indy parties to keep the other one in check. If they become to confident and start ****ing about with things then the other party steps up to the plate. Born of them fighting for support is amazing and the true aim of Independence is never lost. 

Agreed. No complacency! It's bad enough dealing with a hostile media!

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Roxy Hearts
3 hours ago, pablo said:

 

He's English.

Nothing to do with being English. When I hear him talk it's always in a sneering, pompous manner and no policies apart from no independence and why did they build a new bridge over the Forth. The guy is a lying ring piece. He's been caught out with over spending on leaflets etc. I put his banal propaganda in the bin, immediately!

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Nucky Thompson
3 hours ago, Pasquale for King said:

Well yeah there is that too.
Having seen him and his posse in action at close quarters in different situations I have to say I’m not his biggest fan. 

Ian Murray is a thoroughly nice chap.

 

He was canvassing round the inch when I  bumped into him while at a few of my customers. They were Hibs, but all seemed to love him.

He won't be losing his seat imo

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8 hours ago, TheOak88 said:

 

Appreciate your point of view, but a Facebook exchange is what it is. I am sure many politicians have come across as blunt, or unlikable on social media. 

It's not because of the exchange I don't like him. I didn’t like him before that. Because he's a creepy wee weasely *****. I don't have any specific reason for thinking that, just his general being. The same reason you don't like that random guy in the pub that you've never spoken to. Gut instinct, you just know he's a dick.

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I don't know Ian Murray but plenty of my mates do from growing up with him and going on holidays etc with him. Just a normal guy as far as I know. I'm sure he has changed a bit since those days, but I'd be surprised if he is anything like a tory.

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Footballfirst

If anyone is unsure how the Scottish election seats are allocated, then this may help explain it, using Lothian as an example from the 2011 election.

 

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Ainsley Harriott
10 hours ago, Sooperstar said:

I don't know Ian Murray but plenty of my mates do from growing up with him and going on holidays etc with him. Just a normal guy as far as I know. I'm sure he has changed a bit since those days, but I'd be surprised if he is anything like a tory.

The idea that anyone who isn't pro independence is a Tory is an example of how moronic and small minded Nationalists are.

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1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

The idea that anyone who isn't pro independence is a Tory is an example of how moronic and small minded Nationalists are.

 

Are you not the first person to express this notion?

 

How does it compare on the small mindedness scale with your frequent claims that the snp and indy supporters are nazis?

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Ainsley Harriott
19 minutes ago, coconut doug said:

 

Are you not the first person to express this notion?

 

How does it compare on the small mindedness scale with your frequent claims that the snp and indy supporters are nazis?

Because they are nationalist socialists with the ability to brain wash sections of society turn to them against a common enemy using lies.

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I saw this wee video the other day and found it very interesting. It’s explains exactly how the list votes are counted and seats allocated as a result. Having watched it though, I genuinely can’t understand this #bothvotesSNP mantra. 
 

Surely the independence movement will be better served by NOT voting SNP on the list vote?? Can someone confirm please? 
 

 

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Wonder if SNP would prefer Labour or Tories as the very minor opposotion?

 

Even the staunchiest of Tories watching the Leaders Debate must have realised how thoroughly incompetent Ross is.

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Nucky Thompson
11 minutes ago, DETTY29 said:

Wonder if SNP would prefer Labour or Tories as the very minor opposotion?

 

Even the staunchiest of Tories watching the Leaders Debate must have realised how thoroughly incompetent Ross is.

It's not very good for democracy having one party with so much power.

You have saw recently how corrupt they are and how they think they can do anything they want without accountability. A bit like the SFA.

 

 

Did anybody actually watch the debate? 

I couldn't think of anything worse, a bunch of politicians lying through their teeth

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7 minutes ago, gjcc said:

Unionists about to get bent over at the polls. 
:pleasing:


Wait until the Unionists decide to team up with Ross leading the charge. :rofl:

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17 minutes ago, Nucky Thompson said:

It's not very good for democracy having one party with so much power.

You have saw recently how corrupt they are and how they think they can do anything they want without accountability. A bit like the SFA.

 

 

Did anybody actually watch the debate? 

I couldn't think of anything worse, a bunch of politicians lying through their teeth

Yep, I agree.

 

Just look at WM too.

 

Johnson lying pretty all the time new normal.

 

I did watch the debate.

 

Lorraine Slater easily the best, followed by probably Sarwar, piece of cake for Sturgeon, Rennie for once didn't make a fool of himself and Ross beyond useless.

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Enzo Chiefo
20 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Lies are the new truth in the SG 

Well, it's all the rage now. Prince Harry's Mrs gets away with telling "her version" of the truth in a TV interview watched by hundreds of millions. Then turns out it's a pack of lies but the gullible,  woke Americans have fallen for it. Strange times.

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Konrad von Carstein
1 hour ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Because they are nationalist socialists with the ability to brain wash sections of society turn to them against a common enemy using lies.

What an idiotic post... Truly remarkable how many people are now trotting out the National Socialist garbage lately..

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16 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Well, it's all the rage now. Prince Harry's Mrs gets away with telling "her version" of the truth in a TV interview watched by hundreds of millions. Then turns out it's a pack of lies but the gullible,  woke Americans have fallen for it. Strange times.


I suppose at least we’re still in the EU like we were told during the 2014 referendum. 
 

Also loving this Devo-Max thing. 👌🏻

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Enzo Chiefo
9 minutes ago, gjcc said:


I suppose at least we’re still in the EU like we were told during the 2014 referendum. 
 

Also loving this Devo-Max thing. 👌🏻

I'm sure you've got better things to worry about than "being in the EU". The vaccine programme, and their petty political games, has kinda shone on a light on the merits of the EU.

You did know, back in 2014, that there was a UK wide referendum on the UKs membership of the EU, planned for 2016??

 

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Ainsley Harriott
33 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

What an idiotic post... Truly remarkable how many people are now trotting out the National Socialist garbage lately..

What's garbage about it? Are they a nationalist party? Do they pretend they are left wing and socliast? Remind me again what part is garbage 

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Placid Casual
28 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

What an idiotic post... Truly remarkable how many people are now trotting out the National Socialist garbage lately..

 

Yes, grim isn’t it. Think we live in the age of idiocy. I just hope it gets better, but I’m afraid it won’t.

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18 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

You did know, back in 2014, that there was a UK wide referendum on the UKs membership of the EU, planned for 2016??

 

No.  The European Referendum Act 2015 was only introduced following the Tories winning a majority in the 2015 UK election.

 

An earlier private members bill European Referendum Act 2013-14 proposed holding a referendum in 2017 following renegotiation of the UK membership terms. That bill was abandoned in January 2014. 

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Konrad von Carstein
59 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

What's garbage about it? Are they a nationalist party? Do they pretend they are left wing and socliast? Remind me again what part is garbage 

Hopefully you're not as idiotic as you last couple of posts make you look! I dont need to remind you of anything, you posted an obtuse reference to the Nazi party but you know that.

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54 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Hopefully you're not as idiotic as you last couple of posts make you look! I dont need to remind you of anything, you posted an obtuse reference to the Nazi party but you know that.

Still cant answer my questions. 

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scott herbertson
2 hours ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

What's garbage about it? Are they a nationalist party? Do they pretend they are left wing and socliast? Remind me again what part is garbage 

 

 

They're not a nationalist party

They don't pretend they're left wing

They're not socliast

 

Questions answered

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17 minutes ago, scott herbertson said:

 

 

They're not a nationalist party

They don't pretend they're left wing

They're not socliast

 

Questions answered

Not a nationalist party? The Scottish National Party. 

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Enzo Chiefo
2 hours ago, Footballfirst said:

No.  The European Referendum Act 2015 was only introduced following the Tories winning a majority in the 2015 UK election.

 

An earlier private members bill European Referendum Act 2013-14 proposed holding a referendum in 2017 following renegotiation of the UK membership terms. That bill was abandoned in January 2014. 

Fair point but we knew it was coming.  It was promised in 2013 by David Cameron if he won the 2015 GE, which he duly did.

 

 

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scott herbertson
3 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Not a nationalist party? The Scottish National Party. 

 

 

That's right 

 

Look at the definition of Nationalst - it's a different word from National and has the negative connotation that a Nationalist will support the interests of their nation above others "especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations"

 

The Scottish National party wants to be a partner and friend to its neighbouring nations (including England), as opposed to the idea of competing and withdrawing from partnerships which the current UK government is espousing.

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Konrad von Carstein
6 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Not a nationalist party? The Scottish National Party. 

Not the "Blood and Soil" nationalism that you are insinuating in your trolling quest for bites.

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12 minutes ago, Konrad von Carstein said:

Not the "Blood and Soil" nationalism that you are insinuating in your trolling quest for bites.

Sorry forgot it's all warm and cuddly civic nationalism from the flag waving marchers 

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Konrad von Carstein
16 minutes ago, Ainsley Harriott said:

Sorry forgot it's all warm and cuddly civic nationalism from the flag waving marchers 

You forgot nothing, but yes it is,  inclusive, progressive civic nationalism.

Now, its Sunday afternoon,  I'm of to let the puppy out for a wee wee (possibly a poo too) then Im prepping the leg of lamb for roasting.

 

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Enzo Chiefo
43 minutes ago, scott herbertson said:

 

 

That's right 

 

Look at the definition of Nationalst - it's a different word from National and has the negative connotation that a Nationalist will support the interests of their nation above others "especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations"

 

The Scottish National party wants to be a partner and friend to its neighbouring nations (including England), as opposed to the idea of competing and withdrawing from partnerships which the current UK government is espousing.

I was England, I wouldn't want to be a "partner and friend " to a neighbouring country that has spent so much time whinging, criticising, obstructing and agitating against it. "Withdrawing from a partnership" is the very thing the SNP is proposing, indeed it's the reason they exist.

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Konrad von Carstein
12 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

I was England, I wouldn't want to be a "partner and friend " to a neighbouring country that has spent so much time whinging, criticising, obstructing and agitating against it. "Withdrawing from a partnership" is the very thing the SNP is proposing, indeed it's the reason they exist.

Pretty sure much of what you posted are the thoughts of many in the EU toward the Conservative party.

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Enzo Chiefo
Just now, Konrad von Carstein said:

Pretty sure much of what you posted are the thoughts of many in the EU toward the Conservative party.

Possibly, but as I said before, Brexit and Independence are exactly the same.  Same grievances, same reasoning, same arguments   same rhetoric. Both UKIP and SNP claimed that they "want to trade and to be friends with our nearest neighbours" but they each want to return to being " an independent sovereign nation".

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Konrad von Carstein
22 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Possibly, but as I said before, Brexit and Independence are exactly the same.  Same grievances, same reasoning, same arguments   same rhetoric. Both UKIP and SNP claimed that they "want to trade and to be friends with our nearest neighbours" but they each want to return to being " an independent sovereign nation".

Brexit and Independence and the pros and cons,  mostly cons where Brexit is concerned, aren't the same though (IMO)...

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On 03/04/2021 at 07:46, XB52 said:

How sad is this. Nothing matters to the britnats apart from stop Scottish people choosing who runs our country. NHS, COVID, Education etc etc matter not a jot. Ask Dross what time it is and his reply will include "no referendum". Actually it's not sad, it's hilarious

Genuine question for you....do you think NHS and education will improve if we have independence and if yes, what will change? SNP are currently responsible for education, how they run NHS and set our taxation levels. I would hardly sat they've made a great success of those things to date 

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2 minutes ago, hmfcbilly said:

Genuine question for you....do you think NHS and education will improve if we have independence and if yes, what will change? SNP are currently responsible for education, how they run NHS and set our taxation levels. I would hardly sat they've made a great success of those things to date 

NHS in Scotland is much better than rUK. The limited control they have over taxation has meant that the majority pay less tax than rUK and the better off pay more. Education needs to do better. So 2 out of 3 better and will only get even better after independence, imo

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4 minutes ago, XB52 said:

NHS in Scotland is much better than rUK. The limited control they have over taxation has meant that the majority pay less tax than rUK and the better off pay more. Education needs to do better. So 2 out of 3 better and will only get even better after independence, imo

The taxation spin about majority are better off gets my back up tbh. Technically its true but in reality folk on low wages are lucky if they are £10 or £20 a year better off than folk earning the same in England. Hardly helping folk who need it most to struggle less in my view

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5 minutes ago, hmfcbilly said:

The taxation spin about majority are better off gets my back up tbh. Technically its true but in reality folk on low wages are lucky if they are £10 or £20 a year better off than folk earning the same in England. Hardly helping folk who need it most to struggle less in my view

On the plus side it means there’s more Tory PR opportunities at food banks to cut the ribbon. 

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14 minutes ago, hmfcbilly said:

The taxation spin about majority are better off gets my back up tbh. Technically its true but in reality folk on low wages are lucky if they are £10 or £20 a year better off than folk earning the same in England. Hardly helping folk who need it most to struggle less in my view

Free prescriptions, council tax frozen yet again and much lower than in rUK. The Scottish government believes in the better off helping the worse off and will continue to work towards a fairer society after independence. Of course the man mind thyself Tories don't like this

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2 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Free prescriptions, council tax frozen yet again and much lower than in rUK. The Scottish government believes in the better off helping the worse off and will continue to work towards a fairer society after independence. Of course the man mind thyself Tories don't like this

Yes we are fortunate with the council tax this year but I have no doubt we will be hit with a big rise next year to compensate for this year's freeze. 

 

I dont agree with free prescriptions across the board. I ongoing or longterm should be free but if you get an antibiotic once or twice a year I think it should be payable (but means tested for the lowest earners)

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Just now, hmfcbilly said:

Yes we are fortunate with the council tax this year but I have no doubt we will be hit with a big rise next year to compensate for this year's freeze. 

 

I dont agree with free prescriptions across the board. I ongoing or longterm should be free but if you get an antibiotic once or twice a year I think it should be payable (but means tested for the lowest earners)

Council tax was frozen for years in Scotland and, when it was finally increased was no more than in England.

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2 minutes ago, XB52 said:

Council tax was frozen for years in Scotland and, when it was finally increased was no more than in England.

Thats not entirely true. I seem to recall it went up about 5% across all bands after the 10 year freeze but anyone who lived in band E or above got hit with another one off sum aswell as the general percentage that everyone got hit with.  

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Nucky Thompson
35 minutes ago, XB52 said:

NHS in Scotland is much better than rUK. The limited control they have over taxation has meant that the majority pay less tax than rUK and the better off pay more. Education needs to do better. So 2 out of 3 better and will only get even better after independence, imo

Maybe having 30% per person more money to spend than people in England due to the barnett formula helps.

 

Scotland would become a banana republic if your lot got their way

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