Seaspiracy

[A Boy Named Crow]

I watched Seaspiracy tonight, a pretty confronting hour and a half. 

 

I know these documentaries are often made from a very one sided point of view, but it did leave me questioning whether I will even keep eating seafood.

 

If they can get plant based substitutes to the point where I'd want them on my barbie, I'd probably just give it up completely. 

 

Loads of you must've seen the film, what were your thoughts?

[Tommy Brown]

My son watched it (and Cowspiracy) and told me to watch it.

Frankly I'm too scared to.

 

A real  moment for me, shamefully.

 

It was touched on in last film you watched  thread.

Probably deserves it's own thread.

[Dennis Reynolds]

Watched it last week.

 

As always, any show that shows you where your food comes from is going to be a hard watch. Some of the bits are pretty eye opening and a lot of it's quite sad but it does raise a lot of good points and questions. Especially concerning plastic fishing nets compared to the devil that is plastic straws. 

[Bindy Badgy]

I've not watched the film but, a few of the people that are in it have complained about their views being misrepresented. That said, seafood is incredibly destructive. Ghost nets needlessly kill lots of animals and the proportion of bycatch from prawn fishing can be up to 90%. I stopped eating fish a few years ago for this and other reasons.

[Greedy Jambo]

Salt n Chilli King Prawns though 

[Maple Leaf]

Watching the film is on my 'to do' list, but I'm hesitating because I know that it will be grim viewing.

 

I know enough about the subject to be of the opinion that we might be too late to save the oceans.  Rising acidity, rising temperatures, increased pollution (including millions of tons of plastic), over fishing, and numerous growing "dead zones" are all very bad signs.

 

When one considers that over 50% of the oxygen we breathe comes from plants in the ocean, it doesn't look good for our future. It's another example of us being in the Sixth Extinction. 

[A Boy Named Crow]

I was thinking about it some more over night. This film ficusses on the evils of commercial fishing, but that industry is just one of the countless ways we exploit the earth's resources and exploit other people in the pursuit of profit and capital gain. 

 

It has made me think about eating seafood, but really it has just reinforced my belief that capitalism is fundamentally evil.

 

A system that promotes and rewards the destruction of the planet and the enslavement of our people, trapping them in poverty can't be the the best we can come up with!

[Maple Leaf]

15 hours ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

I was thinking about it some more over night. This film ficusses on the evils of commercial fishing, but that industry is just one of the countless ways we exploit the earth's resources and exploit other people in the pursuit of profit and capital gain. 

 

It has made me think about eating seafood, but really it has just reinforced my belief that capitalism is fundamentally evil.

 

A system that promotes and rewards the destruction of the planet and the enslavement of our people, trapping them in poverty can't be the the best we can come up with!

 

I don't know whether you're right or wrong about capitalism, and it's really a topic for a different thread, but the impact of communism on the planet has also been very bad.

 

For example, look what communist economics has done to the Aral Sea.

[Ron Burgundy]

Watched it. Absolutely terrifying the extent money controls not only what we do but how our lives are controlled. 
 

If anyone wants to protest about something worthwhile and about issues that are so serious whereby  everyone’s existence is threatened then this is it. 
Sadly we are told by the media and governments what topics we should be smashing up communities and murdering for.  
 

 

[Alan_R]

They followed me on insta, must be a promotion attempt

 

What's the general jist of the doc?

[Ron Burgundy]

35 minutes ago, Alan_R said:

They followed me on insta, must be a promotion attempt

 

What's the general jist of the doc?

Basically the world is dying and money men get away with actual murder and corruption to perpetuate it. Also sustainable fishing is anything but. 

[hughesie27]

Watched it today. Pretty hilarious staged parts where he pretends to be undercover filming whilst editing in clips he has found elsewhere.  The Tuna market part especially. Hiding behind a bin or something making out that he was in grave danger. Then only moments later is walking about the market filming freely.

Edited April 4, 2021 by hughesie27

[Locky]

What's this on? Wouldn't mind giving it a watch.

[A Boy Named Crow]

42 minutes ago, Locky said:

What's this on? Wouldn't mind giving it a watch.

It's on Netflix 

[Locky]

3 minutes ago, A Boy Named Crow said:

It's on Netflix 

Nice one, cheers.

[A Boy Named Crow]

9 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Watched it. Absolutely terrifying the extent money controls not only what we do but how our lives are controlled. 
 

If anyone wants to protest about something worthwhile and about issues that are so serious whereby  everyone’s existence is threatened then this is it. 
Sadly we are told by the media and governments what topics we should be smashing up communities and murdering for.  
 

 

Couldn't agree more. There's a bigger story to the film than "fishing bad", it's that big business can basically do whatever they want. We're told this is progress though, economic growth is king etc!

[Dagger Is Back]

Watched it tonight and found it a hard watch. Bycatch, a term I’d never heard before tonight and won’t forget it.

 

The industrial scale fishing and the damage caused to the eco system is horrific.

 

The Dolphin Safe nonsense is just criminal and the tentacles of big business are everywhere.

 

Mankind really are the scum of the Earth

[magicjohnston]

Scottish farmed Salmon catching Chlamydia was a real blegh moment!

[hmfc_liam06]

On 02/04/2021 at 16:56, Maple Leaf said:

Watching the film is on my 'to do' list, but I'm hesitating because I know that it will be grim viewing.

 

I know enough about the subject to be of the opinion that we might be too late to save the oceans.  Rising acidity, rising temperatures, increased pollution (including millions of tons of plastic), over fishing, and numerous growing "dead zones" are all very bad signs.

 

When one considers that over 50% of the oxygen we breathe comes from plants in the ocean, it doesn't look good for our future. It's another example of us being in the Sixth Extinction. 

 

Isn't it nearer 95%

 

Watched the documentary tonight, definitely won't be eating commercially caught/produced seafood ever again. 

 

The bit about dying Scottish farmed salmon pink because they're all basically anaemic/diseased from swimming in their own shit was enough to give me the heave.

[Maple Leaf]

3 minutes ago, hmfc_liam06 said:

 

Isn't it nearer 95%

 

Watched the documentary tonight, definitely won't be eating commercially caught/produced seafood ever again. 

 

The bit about dying Scottish farmed salmon pink because they're all basically anaemic/diseased from swimming in their own shit was enough to give me the heave.

 

Could be.  I've read different percentages.  The most accurate, I think, is two out of every three breaths we take.

 

By the way, your farm-raised salmon is naturally gray.  The pink colour is dye added after the fish is killed.  Bon appetit!

 

I used to eat fish a couple of times a week.  Haven't had any for months and I still haven't watched Seaspiracy. 

[dobmisterdobster]

I already hate seafood so this isn't going to put me off.

[Dagger Is Back]

7 hours ago, dobmisterdobster said:

I already hate seafood so this isn't going to put me off.

There’s also a docu called Cowspiracy. I’m giving that one a miss 

[RobboM]

I follow a Cornish fishing blog and saw this response to Seaspiracy. Seemed quite a balanced analysis to me

http://blog.through-the-gaps.co.uk/2021/04/seaspiracy-fact-or-fantasy.html

[jack D and coke]

35 minutes ago, RobboM said:

I follow a Cornish fishing blog and saw this response to Seaspiracy. Seemed quite a balanced analysis to me

http://blog.through-the-gaps.co.uk/2021/04/seaspiracy-fact-or-fantasy.html

Hmm not for me. I understand some communities rely on this industry but there needs to be some strategy for moving away from stuff like this. 
He didn’t really mention the damage it’s doing to all our environments which is possibly the biggest issue I took from Seaspiracy.

I understand it’ll be his livelihood so it’s difficult for him to say it should stop, I get that and you have to feel a bit empathy but we have to realise at some point we can’t eat, drink or breathe money. We don’t have to eat fish. It should be left to poor people who genuinely need it to survive not us cruising the seas trawling with nets that could sweep up 13 jumbo jets catching all sorts in the bycatch and for those Hong Kong arseholes taking sharks to extinction who think the fins are some health benefit to them. 

 

 

Edited April 13, 2021 by jack D and coke

[William H. Bonney]

2 hours ago, Dagger Is Back said:

There’s also a docu called Cowspiracy. I’m giving that one a miss 

Having just turned vegetarian in the last week, I might just watch this one now. 

[hughesie27]

I won't be changing my eating habits based off a Netflix documentary.

[Locky]

Gave it a watch last night. Thankfully I'm not a huge seafood lover anyway, but I do enjoy a nice fish supper now and again.

 

Pretty harrowing stuff though. Had no idea that commercial fishing was causing so much carnage to our environment. This planet is pretty ****ed eh? Unless corporations find ways to become rich out of actively saving the planet, then we'll continue to plough ourselves into oblivion.

[Dagger Is Back]

2 hours ago, Furious Styles said:

Having just turned vegetarian in the last week, I might just watch this one now. 

I wish I was able to turn veggie. Just can't see it happening though.

1 hour ago, Locky said:

Gave it a watch last night. Thankfully I'm not a huge seafood lover anyway, but I do enjoy a nice fish supper now and again.

 

Pretty harrowing stuff though. Had no idea that commercial fishing was causing so much carnage to our environment. This planet is pretty ****ed eh? Unless corporations find ways to become rich out of actively saving the planet, then we'll continue to plough ourselves into oblivion.

Spot on. It's just a matter of when not if. 

[Auld Reekin']

14 hours ago, Maple Leaf said:

 

Could be.  I've read different percentages.  The most accurate, I think, is two out of every three breaths we take.

 

By the way, your farm-raised salmon is naturally gray.  The pink colour is dye added after the fish is killed.  Bon appetit!

 

I used to eat fish a couple of times a week.  Haven't had any for months and I still haven't watched Seaspiracy. 

 

Sorry, I don't believe that to be the case at all. The colour of a salmon's flesh comes at least in part from what they eat: in wild salmon a lot of their diet is sea crustacea which naturally provides a pink colour. Similarly, although possibly less naturally, the diet of farmed salmon includes ingredients which makes their flesh the colour it is. They will also be fed on processed crustacea, but it is possible that some food-dye or natural plant colouring is added to the wild salmon feed. I have never ever heard of farmed salmon flesh being dyed after slaughter, however.

 

Maybe something of that sort happens in the US & Canada, I wouldn't know, but I am very sure it doesn't happen to farmed salmon here.

 

I have seen TV footage of farmed salmon being killed and then filleted straight away and their flesh is the same colour of pink you would see on a fishmonger's slab or in a supermarket packet.

 

 

Edited April 13, 2021 by Auld Reekin'

[jambo89]

On 03/04/2021 at 16:16, Maple Leaf said:

 

I don't know whether you're right or wrong about capitalism, and it's really a topic for a different thread, but the impact of communism on the planet has also been very bad.

 

For example, look what communist economics has done to the Aral Sea.

Perhaps it’s your “North American location” but socialism isn’t the same thing as communism (just like capitalism isn’t akin to fascism).