StevenNaismith Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Craig Gordon wouldn’t have conceded that goal tonight. Bad mistake from Marshall, even the save he made the other night against Austria for the first goal, he’s got to push that wide and not back out in front of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 minute ago, StevenNaismith said: Craig Gordon wouldn’t have conceded that goal tonight. Bad mistake from Marshall, even the save he made the other night against Austria for the first goal, he’s got to push that wide and not back out in front of him. He's cost Scotland in both games - he's dining out on penalty shoot outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stirlo Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 The result's not really a great surprise. We've lost there on our last two visits, which are both in recent times and we just don't tend to win these type of games. We've probably as much chance of winning away in Vienna as we did tonight. That's not to say we'll win in Vienna, but sometimes when there's less expectation we seem to do better. Fundamentally we're an average team that gets average results - which is actually a significant improvement on a few years ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) We've played Israel 6 times in under 3 years, and have managed 1* win, 2 losses, and 3 draws (*We did win one game on penalties): 11 Oct 2018 Israel v Scotland L 2-1 UEFA Nations League 20 Nov 2018 Scotland v Israel W 3-2 UEFA Nations League 04 Sep 2020 Scotland v Israel D 1-1 UEFA Nations League 08 Oct 2020 Scotland v Israel W 0-0 (5-3 on pens) UEFA European Championship 18 Nov 2020 Israel v Scotland L 1-0 UEFA Nations League 28 Mar 2021 Israel v Scotland D 1-1 FIFA World Cup The scary thing is we just don't seem to really get any better than this. I don't think Steve Clarke has really done much with the team, and a fluke qualification aside, the fact that Scotland consistently struggle against teams like Israel should show something isn't as good as it could be. Edited March 28, 2021 by tian447 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Shaggy2 said: We might need to bring back Walter Kidd and Mike Galloway for Vienna but with 8 games left and 4 points behind (sound familiar?) it’s still doable. We have to win the group to qualify as we fecked up a guaranteed play off place by losing the final two nations league matches. We now have next to no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Need to win against Faroes on Wednesday, then get result away in Vienna, could still be In with chance. If we play as we can, no doubt we can get positive result, if we play like we did in first half tonight, we'll get nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, luckydug said: We have to win the group to qualify as we fecked up a guaranteed play off place by losing the final two nations league matches. We now have next to no chance. Second gets play off. The nations league would have given extra chance, even if we were third in group. Blew that so need to be in top two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Just now, BarneyBattles said: Win in Vienna. Keep smoking the crack. Seem to remember being told the same when we went over there and did what was required. No reason why Scotland can't do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malinga the Swinga Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, BarneyBattles said: Win in Vienna. Keep smoking the crack. Edit. Appreciate you said a result rather than win. We’ll need to win though. Austria not guaranteed to win in Israel. Last game is Denmark at home so taking it as long as possible into group will be required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Thank god Clarke didn’t come across as a complete arse in the post match interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Good old Scotland. It would be the pits if they let you down, time after time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, Malinga the Swinga said: Second gets play off. The nations league would have given extra chance, even if we were third in group. Blew that so need to be in top two. Yep you are correct. I got it into my head that the play offs were just among Nations league winners. A small chance but better than no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornhillHearts Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 I'm biased, but thought it was amusing: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Oh well. Qatar will be shite anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, CornhillHearts said: I'm biased, but thought it was amusing: 2 draws. We should be happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
132goals1958 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 We have only 3 marquee players in Tierney. Robertson and McTominay. McGinn , Armstrong and Adams playing at same level but ordinary would best sum up the rest of our squad. Even at this early stage there is little prospect of us being in the mix to qualify. Like it or not I would bracket us with Israel. Sad when you think of the talent from yesteryear. Even then we failed to qualify for the final stages but that was down to bad luck rather than an inability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo 4 Ever Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 2 hours ago, luckydug said: Getting really fed up with football now. Feeling like chucking it, just too many disappointments. Watch rugby instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 The only kinda positive thing about happening across a bit of the scotland matches on TV these days is you don't have to suffer the sight of the imbeciles in the TA doing congas while singing Doh-a-deer. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Jeff said: 2 draws. We should be happy He’s mimicking Neilson ffs Jeff 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 How many games is that without a win? I get the feeling Clarke might be out of a job in June. Neilson could take over 🤞🙏🤪. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, JDK2020 said: The only kinda positive thing about happening across a bit of the scotland matches on TV these days is you don't have to suffer the sight of the imbeciles in the TA doing congas while singing Doh-a-deer. 👍 Absolute embarrassments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun.lawson Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Most of the comments on this thread seem like a major overreaction to me. I think there's every chance Scotland will finish 2nd in the group. 1. Scotland host Denmark on November 15, the last round of games. They'll likely have already won the group by then, so will have nothing to play for. That's a major advantage for Scotland. 2. Austria won their Nations League group and will, barring something miraculous, have a playoff spot regardless. That could take the edge off them later on in the campaign, ie. when they know for certain they're already in the playoffs no matter what. 3. Scotland have real spirit and unity now - for the first time since the Smith/McLeish Euro campaign. They're nothing special, no... but there's been a huge improvement since Clarke took over, and as well as being good, he's - and every successful international manager needs this in abundance - lucky. Scotland are already hard enough to beat that I'm very anxious about the game this summer: when we'll have everything to lose. And Scotland, everything to gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregzy2k7 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Scotland will always be shite in my eyes, however even though i said that i didnt care if they qualified for the euros or not, I was actually effing delighted when they did, simply because it was completely unexpected, I'm unsure about this world cup qualifiers though, i think it might be a step too far at this time, we are still very suspect defensively although we have improved a little, who knows technically we should be fighting it out with austria for second place but i think they will have a little too much over the full campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaliveits105 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 4 hours ago, JDK2020 said: The only kinda positive thing about happening across a bit of the scotland matches on TV these days is you don't have to suffer the sight of the imbeciles in the TA doing congas while singing Doh-a-deer. 👍 Or we’ll support you ever more after another shit performance Petr15 and Maxwell must go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 7 hours ago, Pasquale for King said: He’s mimicking Neilson ffs Jeff 😆 So was I 😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 8 hours ago, JDK2020 said: The only kinda positive thing about happening across a bit of the scotland matches on TV these days is you don't have to suffer the sight of the imbeciles in the TA doing congas while singing Doh-a-deer. 👍 Or fans enjoying theirselves. That would never do. 😒 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo314 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 11 hours ago, StevenNaismith said: Craig Gordon wouldn’t have conceded that goal tonight. Bad mistake from Marshall, even the save he made the other night against Austria for the first goal, he’s got to push that wide and not back out in front of him. I thought the same too. Gordon's streets better than Marshall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Two games in and the qualification is beyond us already I reckon, Austria are a decent side, and Denmark are even better, and with Denmark already winning in Israel, that's a massive advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said: Two games in and the qualification is beyond us already I reckon, Austria are a decent side, and Denmark are even better, and with Denmark already winning in Israel, that's a massive advantage. Managed the last 2 mins, forgot it was on, bought a Dennis law replica top while still celebrating the euro qualification, 25 poonds ,good price, might come out at some point😏.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Tolbooth Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 39 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Managed the last 2 mins, forgot it was on, bought a Dennis law replica top while still celebrating the euro qualification, 25 poonds ,good price, might come out at some point😏.. I though you "came out" years ago mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Clarke should have started the game in the fashion we started the second half. I can understand he had set up on the counter to try and nick a point but we were too deep and too passive 1st half. We know these guys love to hit it from 30-40yrds. In fairness he changed it in the 2nd. It's not the worst result in the world. I don't think Austria will have it easy v Israel because they aren't a bad side, they play like a team and have some really good technical players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, The Old Tolbooth said: I though you "came out" years ago mate 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK2020 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 2 hours ago, luckydug said: Or fans enjoying theirselves. That would never do. 😒 Aye, OK Anne... 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS98 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 In the words of Rentboy it’s shite being Scottish. But imagine being Scottish and a Hearts fan? Now that is depressing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: Clarke should have started the game in the fashion we started the second half. I can understand he had set up on the counter to try and nick a point but we were too deep and too passive 1st half. We know these guys love to hit it from 30-40yrds. In fairness he changed it in the 2nd. It's not the worst result in the world. I don't think Austria will have it easy v Israel because they aren't a bad side, they play like a team and have some really good technical players. Yes, we always seem to start ultra-cautious and start playing when we concede. It’s puzzling. I somehow have a feeling that Austria will be more offensive than us from the outset against Israel and beat them home and away. I think we have a mountain to climb now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, leginten said: Yes, we always seem to start ultra-cautious and start playing when we concede. It’s puzzling. I somehow have a feeling that Austria will be more offensive than us from the outset against Israel and beat them home and away. I think we have a mountain to climb now. I think the caution comes about because of the Tierney/Robertson problem. He's trying to fit both of them into the team but it has meant we've had to go with a back 5. Have to beat Austria away, Israel and Denmark at home now or hope Austria slip up v Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Jeff said: So was I 😬 Ffs sorry 🙈🔫 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 7 hours ago, gregzy2k7 said: Scotland will always be shite in my eyes, however even though i said that i didnt care if they qualified for the euros or not, I was actually effing delighted when they did, simply because it was completely unexpected, I'm unsure about this world cup qualifiers though, i think it might be a step too far at this time, we are still very suspect defensively although we have improved a little, who knows technically we should be fighting it out with austria for second place but i think they will have a little too much over the full campaign. I’m in the same boat. Scotland seem to have found a manager in the same bracket as Levein/Neilson/Mcinnes. There’s only so much of that anyone can put up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Cruyff said: I think the caution comes about because of the Tierney/Robertson problem. He's trying to fit both of them into the team but it has meant we've had to go with a back 5. Have to beat Austria away, Israel and Denmark at home now or hope Austria slip up v Israel. We looked more comfortable second half, that’s for sure. I’m never entirely convinced by Robertson’s Scotland performances - could we play without him? We suffered from too many subdued performances from big players last night in general. The two Celtic boys never really got going, McGinn didn’t do a lot, McTominay was quieter than against Austria. Thought Fraser was ok, although a lot of people disagree. I liked the contribution of the more unsung players like Hanley and O’Donnell, although the latter still tends to turn backwards as soon as he receives the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Driving home from work over newbridge roundabout bloody gridlocked with 8 parks of Hamilton buses on way to the airport to pick the squad up Scotland first team picture on front of buses. I Was sad had quick look at flight radar they are en route 😂. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 That Plonker of a commentator Liam McLeod said (or rather shouted) that if Scotland couldn't get a win away from home against the team seeded below them then they have no chance of qualifying. He didn't say (shout) after the Scotland/Austria game that Austria had no chance of qualifying because they couldn't beat the team seeded below them at Hampden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoked-Glass Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 We really think we can get 2nd now? Cant see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Has to be Gordon Hanley Tierney Palmer Robertson McTominay Christie McGinn Fraser Dykes Adams Tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weonly151 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Cruyff said: Has to be Gordon Hanley Tierney Palmer Robertson McTominay Christie McGinn Fraser Dykes Adams Tonight. Swap Palmer wi Ó Donnell and you have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddley Walker Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 29/03/2021 at 20:08, Smoked-Glass said: We really think we can get 2nd now? Cant see it After we win tonight and Austria Denmark play each other we'll be right back in the mix, regardless of score. Still 8 games to play, of course we can get second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heres Rixxy Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 29/03/2021 at 14:55, upgotheheads said: That Plonker of a commentator Liam McLeod said (or rather shouted) that if Scotland couldn't get a win away from home against the team seeded below them then they have no chance of qualifying. He didn't say (shout) after the Scotland/Austria game that Austria had no chance of qualifying because they couldn't beat the team seeded below them at Hampden. The difference is Austria don't need to try finish higher than their pot placing. We do. If Austria has ambitions of winning the group, then yes they blew it by drawing with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leginten Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Here’s hoping for a comfortable three points tonight. Tempting fate, I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1874 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cruyff said: Has to be Gordon Hanley Tierney Palmer Robertson McTominay Christie McGinn Fraser Dykes Adams Tonight. Want this too. Just seen Clarke on SSN praising them. Physical team who get team in box Think might be back 3 as usual but perhaps Adams and Dykes together with Mcginn just behind As long as our best keeper plays i’m not fussed Edited March 31, 2021 by R1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, leginten said: Here’s hoping for a comfortable three points tonight. Tempting fate, I know. When has it ever been comfortable with regards to Scotland ?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daavojaay Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 On 25/03/2021 at 23:40, Cruyff said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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