Sarah Everard (Missing Woman)

[I P Knightley]

3 minutes ago, NANOJAMBO said:

Take your  patronising,  "I hope you're not" chat  and  shove it. 

 

I've just read your avatar. I'll save my breath.

[Ulysses]

4 hours ago, dobmisterdobster said:

 

Is there an epidemic of undercover police officers abducting and murdering women in the grand scheme of things?

 

The amount of knee-jerk reactions I have seen regarding "police reform" is ridiculous.

 

I didn't say anything about police reform (although if that is being debated I might).  There isn't an epidemic of undercover police officers falsely arresting, abducting, raping, killing and burning the bodies of anybody.  If someone wants to suggest that this particular crime was "over-reported" and that the same attention wouldn't be paid if the victim were white and male, I think they could support their case by giving an example of when the same crime happened with a white male victim and describing the media response.

[Mikey1874]

8 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said:

"He has no prior previous convictions and some of his colleagues have spoken supportively of him."

 

"It cannot be suggested in my view that the Metropolitan Police, even for a moment, attempted to close ranks to protect one of their own"

 

I liked how the judge explained how pleading guilty was in no way in his favour when he's failed to explain what he did or cooperate in any way.

[Tazio]

 

[The Real Maroonblood]

5 minutes ago, Tazio said:

 

Ffs.

[John Findlay]

With the written press and media gunning for her Cressida Dick won't last the week. She will be asked to resign with a big undisclosed golden handshake, so that she doesn't go to an employment tribunal and claim unfair dismissal and the sexist card of they have only done this because I'm a woman. When she as a woman with power and alot of authority has let them down more than alot of men.

[I P Knightley]

4 hours ago, John Findlay said:

With the written press and media gunning for her Cressida Dick won't last the week. She will be asked to resign with a big undisclosed golden handshake, so that she doesn't go to an employment tribunal and claim unfair dismissal and the sexist card of they have only done this because I'm a woman. When she as a woman with power and alot of authority has let them down more than alot of men.

That chief constable in Yorkshire who said that Sarah Everard (and other women) should be more streetwise should have walked the plank by now. Dick has brazened out a few calls for her head over the last couple of years and, listening to Johnson on Marr this morning, I fear she'll survive a little longer than you suggest. 

[Cade]

Dick is going nowhere.

 

She only just signed a new contract extension.

 

 

[Lone Striker]

This from The  Independent tonight - 

 

A Metropolitan Police officer who served in the same unit as Sarah Everard’s killer Wayne Couzens has been charged with rape.

David Carrick, 46, was arrested on Saturday in Hertfordshire and suspended from the force.

He is due to appear virtually at Hatfield Remand Court on Monday.

 

A referral has been made to the Independent Office for Police Conduct, Metropolitan Police say.

Mr Carrick was based within the London police force’s Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command.

He was not on duty when he was arrested by Hertfordshire Constabulary, according to the Met.

In a statement, commissioner Cressida Dick said that she recognises that the public will be concerned by the arrest.

“I am deeply concerned to hear the news today that an officer from the Met’s Parliamentary and Diplomatic Protection Command has been arrested and now charged with this serious offence. I fully recognise the public will be very concerned too,” she said.

“Criminal proceedings must now take their course so I am unable to comment any further at this stage.”

[John Findlay]

14 hours ago, Cade said:

Dick is going nowhere.

 

She only just signed a new contract extension.

 

 

Is that right? Watch this space.

[Jambo-Jimbo]

58 minutes ago, John Findlay said:

Is that right? Watch this space.

 

Indeed.

[JimmyCant]

22 hours ago, I P Knightley said:

That chief constable in Yorkshire who said that Sarah Everard (and other women) should be more streetwise should have walked the plank by now. Dick has brazened out a few calls for her head over the last couple of years and, listening to Johnson on Marr this morning, I fear she'll survive a little longer than you suggest. 

She is fireproof that woman. She was also the commander who authorised the shooting of Jean Charles Le Menezes in the tube all those years ago and should have been shoved out the door then, but no, promoted 3 times since.

[I P Knightley]

1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

She is fireproof that woman. She was also the commander who authorised the shooting of Jean Charles Le Menezes in the tube all those years ago and should have been shoved out the door then, but no, promoted 3 times since.

I want aware of that connection. 

 

Not at all comforting now that folk are giving advice to make a run for it if you're in doubt about an arrest being made. 

[JudyJudyJudy]

On 01/10/2021 at 14:55, Lone Striker said:

Its also possible (maybe even likely) that the photos of Sarah which showed her as a very attractive happy young lady  had something to do with the crime receiving such media attention long before Couzens became a suspect.   Hard to say how the crime would have been reported if the victim had looked like Waynetta Slob. 😲

 

 

Probably . The media porn around this has been disgusting really . Its also because she was middle class and seemed to be going places in life too. Seem to garner more attention 

On 01/10/2021 at 17:36, Ulysses said:

 

You carry on there and list the cases of white males who were unlawfully arrested by a serving cop, handcuffed, taken somewhere remote, raped, burned and their bodies dumped, and then we'll compare the reporting.

Exactly 

On 02/10/2021 at 12:43, The Real Maroonblood said:

The bit in bold is quite mind boggling.

 

On 02/10/2021 at 13:27, Jambo-Jimbo said:

 

Sure I heard them say something about a Whatsapp group with 5 other officers, could have been them who spoke up for him.

Needless to say they will be under investgation now as well.

Quelle surprise , a group of heterosexual ( an assumption I admit but probably accurate ) in a WhatsApp group sending various hideous misogynist messages to each other ! Well I never 

1 hour ago, JimmyCant said:

She is fireproof that woman. She was also the commander who authorised the shooting of Jean Charles Le Menezes in the tube all those years ago and should have been shoved out the door then, but no, promoted 3 times since.

Oh that was an awful crime . Really was . Those b****** should have had the book thrown at them and she should have Booted out on her arse 

[Walter Payton]

37 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Quelle surprise , a group of heterosexual ( an assumption I admit but probably accurate ) in a WhatsApp group sending various hideous misogynist messages to each other ! Well I never 

 

Your choice of language suggest you think that the majority of heterosexual males in WhatsApp groups will send "hideous misogynist messages". 

 

That's a pretty offensive stereotype IMO. What happened to not tarring groups of people with brushes because of a particular label they might choose to affix to themselves?

[JudyJudyJudy]

22 minutes ago, Walter Payton said:

 

Your choice of language suggest you think that the majority of heterosexual males in WhatsApp groups will send "hideous misogynist messages". 

 

That's a pretty offensive stereotype IMO. What happened to not tarring groups of people with brushes because of a particular label they might choose to affix to themselves?

Well I’m hazarding a guess they weren’t talking coronation street ! Or is that another stereotype ? Fragile straight male ego it seems there 

[Walter Payton]

15 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Well I’m hazarding a guess they weren’t talking coronation street ! Or is that another stereotype ? Fragile straight male ego it seems there 

 

Not at all. Interesting though that you're making assumptions when you know nothing about me. 

 

If you'd merely commented that some people  use WhatsApp to send hideous misogynist messages, there would have been nothing controversial about it. Your suggestion that the majority of heterosexual males in WhatsApp groups will send "hideous misogynist messages" is extremely bigoted though. 

 

It's clear from your posts on here that you're intelligent enough to recognise the bigotry in what you said. It's a shame you won't just apologise and retract the comment rather than doubling down on it. 

[JimmyCant]

4 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

Probably . The media porn around this has been disgusting really . Its also because she was middle class and seemed to be going places in life too. Seem to garner more attention 

Exactly 

 

Quelle surprise , a group of heterosexual ( an assumption I admit but probably accurate ) in a WhatsApp group sending various hideous misogynist messages to each other ! Well I never 

Oh that was an awful crime . Really was . Those b****** should have had the book thrown at them and she should have Booted out on her arse 

An unfortunate and entirely innocent young man caught in a series of unfortunate coincidences that looked highly suspicious to jumpy cops the day after a major terrorist attack. Mostly because he was wrongly identified in a flawed operation she should have questioned more closely before declaring he should be ‘terminated’

[Mikey1874]

23 minutes ago, JimmyCant said:

An unfortunate and entirely innocent young man caught in a series of unfortunate coincidences that looked highly suspicious to jumpy cops the day after a major terrorist attack. Mostly because he was wrongly identified in a flawed operation she should have questioned more closely before declaring he should be ‘terminated’

 

She led the operation.

 

One of her men went for a pee and by doing so missed the opportunity to rule out de Menzes by properly identifying him. Cost him his life.

[JudyJudyJudy]

3 hours ago, Walter Payton said:

 

Not at all. Interesting though that you're making assumptions when you know nothing about me. 

 

If you'd merely commented that some people  use WhatsApp to send hideous misogynist messages, there would have been nothing controversial about it. Your suggestion that the majority of heterosexual males in WhatsApp groups will send "hideous misogynist messages" is extremely bigoted though. 

 

It's clear from your posts on here that you're intelligent enough to recognise the bigotry in what you said. It's a shame you won't just apologise and retract the comment rather than doubling down on it. 

Why do you think their communication on WhatsApp is being investigated ? It’s clearly linked to misogyny as it’s linked to the killing of this young woman. I I did say I “ assumed “ they were heterosexual men ! I also don’t label a whole group as being the same. There are always some whose hackles are raised when men’s behaviours , thoughts and attitudes are being questioned and scrutinised 

[Mikey1874]

19 minutes ago, JamesM48 said:

Why do you think their communication on WhatsApp is being investigated ? It’s clearly linked to misogyny as it’s linked to the killing of this young woman. I I did say I “ assumed “ they were heterosexual men ! I also don’t label a whole group as being the same. There are always some whose hackles are raised when men’s behaviours , thoughts and attitudes are being questioned and scrutinised 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

6 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

 

Exactly ! 

[AlimOzturk]

I mean if a group of people are being homophobic on a chat group I don’t think it is bigoted to assume that these are straight people doing it. As why would gay folk slag their own sexual orientation?

 

Labelling every straight person on the back of a group chat as homophobic or any other accusation because of a certain group of people would be bigoted however. Though I doubt James is doing that. “Fragile straight ego” Though… maybe want to revisit that statement there. If someone said “fragile gay ego” that would be seen as offensive or homophobic by some. 

[JimmyCant]

1 hour ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

She led the operation.

 

One of her men went for a pee and by doing so missed the opportunity to rule out de Menzes by properly identifying him. Cost him his life.

She didn’t lead the operation. She was The on duty commander who authorised a ‘red’ response without verifying the nature of the identification which was done from a blurry CCTV photo of an actual terrorist who lived in the same block as Menezes and turned out to look nothing like him apart from a similar shade of skin. The identification was done by an officer who had never seen the real suspect in the flesh as others had done as they had been tracking him

Edited October 4, 2021 by JimmyCant

[JudyJudyJudy]

26 minutes ago, AlimOzturk said:

I mean if a group of people are being homophobic on a chat group I don’t think it is bigoted to assume that these are straight people doing it. As why would gay folk slag their own sexual orientation?

 

Labelling every straight person on the back of a group chat as homophobic or any other accusation because of a certain group of people would be bigoted however. Though I doubt James is doing that. “Fragile straight ego” Though… maybe want to revisit that statement there. If someone said “fragile gay ego” that would be seen as offensive or homophobic by some. 

I’m not . I should have said “ some “ straight men . However I appear to have been vindicated as they were also homophobic as well as racist . All these seem go hand in hand really . 

[Mikey1874]

2 hours ago, JimmyCant said:

She didn’t lead the operation. She was The on duty commander who authorised a ‘red’ response without verifying the nature of the identification which was done from a blurry CCTV photo of an actual terrorist who lived in the same block as Menezes and turned out to look nothing like him apart from a similar shade of skin. The identification was done by an officer who had never seen the real suspect in the flesh as others had done as they had been tracking him

 

Commander of the operation is not the person in charge? The one leading it?

 

I think she was. She made the decisions.

 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2021 by Mikey1874

[JimmyCant]

8 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

Commander of the operation is not the person in charge? The one leading it?

 

I think she was. She made the decisions.

 

 

 

She had little or nothing to do with the operation itself. However she was the ranking officer on duty in London that day who’s authority was required to use lethal force. She made the decision based on a request by the officers on the ground, and she accepted a flawed identification. She either knew it was flawed and said yes anyway, or didn’t care to ask a supplementary question about the identification . Getting off. Topic here so I’ll leave it to others interested enough to research deeper into a pretty tragic story that Mrs Dick was a party to.

[Savage Vince]

9 hours ago, I P Knightley said:

I want aware of that connection. 

 

Not at all comforting now that folk are giving advice to make a run for it if you're in doubt about an arrest being made. 

 

He never made a run for it. That was a lie. He wasn't wearing a padded jacket, carrying a rucksack or asked to stop either. Those were all lies. 

[Walter Payton]

14 hours ago, AlimOzturk said:

I mean if a group of people are being homophobic on a chat group I don’t think it is bigoted to assume that these are straight people doing it. As why would gay folk slag their own sexual orientation?

 

Labelling every straight person on the back of a group chat as homophobic or any other accusation because of a certain group of people would be bigoted however. Though I doubt James is doing that. “Fragile straight ego” Though… maybe want to revisit that statement there. If someone said “fragile gay ego” that would be seen as offensive or homophobic by some. 

 

13 hours ago, JamesM48 said:

I’m not . I should have said “ some “ straight men . However I appear to have been vindicated as they were also homophobic as well as racist . All these seem go hand in hand really . 

 

The exact quote I took issue with was 

 

"Quelle surprise , a group of heterosexual ( an assumption I admit but probably accurate ) in a WhatsApp group sending various hideous misogynist messages to each other ! Well I never"

 

The assumption that this particular group of people were heterosexual is completely fair enough, and makes sense. James phrasing suggested though he believes that when heterosexual men are  in WhatsApp chats together, hideous misogyny is inevitable- this is what I objected to as it's stereotyping behaviour based on sexual orientation. The "fragile straight ego" comment as you've pointed out Alim is also completely unnecessary and inflammatory. 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

7 minutes ago, Walter Payton said:

 

 

The exact quote I took issue with was 

 

"Quelle surprise , a group of heterosexual ( an assumption I admit but probably accurate ) in a WhatsApp group sending various hideous misogynist messages to each other ! Well I never"

 

The assumption that this particular group of people were heterosexual is completely fair enough, and makes sense. James phrasing suggested though he believes that when heterosexual men are  in WhatsApp chats together, hideous misogyny is inevitable- this is what I objected to as it's stereotyping behaviour based on sexual orientation. The "fragile straight ego" comment as you've pointed out Alim is also completely unnecessary and inflammatory. 

 

It might have been stereotyping but it was based on probables and I was right. The “ fragile male ego “ quote is very pertinent as Some men will defend other men , no matter their behaviours , they see it as an attack on them too. When it necessarily isn’t , hence the “fragile “ comment . 

[Mikey1874]

Boris Johnson has said this morning asking the Police to do more with make things worse. 

 

 

[Walter Payton]

1 minute ago, JamesM48 said:

It might have been stereotyping but it was based on probables and I was right. The “ fragile male ego “ quote is very pertinent as Some men will defend other men , no matter their behaviours , they see it as an attack on them too. When it necessarily isn’t , hence the “fragile “ comment . 

 

I'm not defending the group of men in that chat. 

I've no issue with your assumption that those men are heterosexual. 

If your post had read "I bet those men are heterosexual", the only question would be why you'd even bothered to call it out because I'm assuming most of us would make the same bet. 

 

Your stereotyping that heterosexual men all indulge in hideous misogyny in private is what I took issue with. If somebody had written "quelle surprise, a group of gay men in a WhatsApp group sending insert offensive behaviour type here messages to each other! Well I never" I'd have been calling that out equally. 

 

 

[JudyJudyJudy]

59 minutes ago, Walter Payton said:

 

I'm not defending the group of men in that chat. 

I've no issue with your assumption that those men are heterosexual. 

If your post had read "I bet those men are heterosexual", the only question would be why you'd even bothered to call it out because I'm assuming most of us would make the same bet. 

 

Your stereotyping that heterosexual men all indulge in hideous misogyny in private is what I took issue with. If somebody had written "quelle surprise, a group of gay men in a WhatsApp group sending insert offensive behaviour type here messages to each other! Well I never" I'd have been calling that out equally. 

 

 

Well frankly some gay men do do that too