Seymour M Hersh Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 2 hours ago, The Frenchman Returns said: Results from the Get Edinburgh Moving - Traffic survey results, have been posted through doors in Corstorphine / Gyle / East Craigs this morning. This is a NON Council survey and makes very interesting reading. 1,621 households participated, over a third of us who got the survey completed it, the Council survey only had 768 individual responses (not households) I can't scan right now but here are some snippets off twitter. McInnes will read that as a mandate to do exactly as she wants and will bash on with her nonsense. I notice there is now 3 chicanes on Craigs Rd. Just the start I suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Seymour M Hersh said: McInnes will read that as a mandate to do exactly as she wants and will bash on with her nonsense. I notice there is now 3 chicanes on Craigs Rd. Just the start I suspect. Not just chicanes, also double yellows, so hard lines if you have a visitor wanting to park nearby. Mrs F said something about bike lanes too but I wasn't paying attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Drumbrae Road North at rush hour is tailed back over the hill because the traffic is locked into one lane wanting to get onto Queensferry Road, exiting the city. Meanwhile you can see that the other lane is empty at the top but can't get there. Not a cyclist in sight, and even if there was before they can easily pass stationary cars so WTF is this for? Wait until the offices start bringing their staff back in circa July/August and the city is going to grind to a halt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Somebody told me the other week that those black and white bollards and the rubber base they sit in were £200.00 a pop. Don't know if that's accurate but if some sleuth on here can find out that would be good. Another friend said the whole thing (cycle lanes, spaces for people etc) was costing £5million again can anyone confirm this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Somebody told me the other week that those black and white bollards and the rubber base they sit in were £200.00 a pop. Don't know if that's accurate but if some sleuth on here can find out that would be good. Another friend said the whole thing (cycle lanes, spaces for people etc) was costing £5million again can anyone confirm this? i would say £200 would be an underestimate as you will need to include the installation costs etc. Also 20 years ago during work experience while at school a friend was with east lothian council and he was told that to paint stop/give way (i cant remember which one) on the road was a few hundred pounds, thus i would expect things to be even more expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Somebody told me the other week that those black and white bollards and the rubber base they sit in were £200.00 a pop. Don't know if that's accurate but if some sleuth on here can find out that would be good. Another friend said the whole thing (cycle lanes, spaces for people etc) was costing £5million again can anyone confirm this? Just do an FOI from the council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 54 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: Somebody told me the other week that those black and white bollards and the rubber base they sit in were £200.00 a pop. Don't know if that's accurate but if some sleuth on here can find out that would be good. Another friend said the whole thing (cycle lanes, spaces for people etc) was costing £5million again can anyone confirm this? The company I buy stuff like this from (not for the Council) sell them. Can't see the exact same but they are around £200 including VAT, here's an example and you may need a base and fixing. Someone is making serious money from the pandemic. https://uk.glasdon.com/road-safety/plastic-traffic-bollards/mini-ensign-tm-bollard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Edinburgh Council getting inundated with emails from angry residents about the scheme but dismissing almost all with arrogance and contempt: https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-council-email-every-hour-20592239 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffros Furios Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 The residents on Oxgangs Road are paying no attention to the cycling lane and parking outside thier homes. Good on them but Edinburgh Cycling Fud and his like will throw a hissy fit . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I see in Lanark Road the speed camera has been covered up. Is that in case the cyclists break the speed limit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: I see in Lanark Road the speed camera has been covered up. Is that in case the cyclists break the speed limit? That road had to be closed recently due to a fire at the nursery. Just enough room for the emergency services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Jeffros Furios said: The residents on Oxgangs Road are paying no attention to the cycling lane and parking outside thier homes. Good on them but Edinburgh Cycling Fud and his like will throw a hissy fit . Think they messed with the wrong people. Don't think Oxgangs residents are known for taking any snash from jobworths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Real Maroonblood said: I see in Lanark Road the speed camera has been covered up. Is that in case the cyclists break the speed limit? I went down there yesterday and read that they had reduced the limit to 30 but I didn't see any signs to that effect Edited May 14, 2021 by Maroon Sailor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Meadow Place Road reduced to 20mph and speed camera covered up too. Also digging up St John’s Road, again, temporary lights, by where the Dorlin was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks said no Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, weehammy said: The creep that’s the council leader has tried to pin the blame for vandalism on a cycle path on opponents of spaces for people. Mrs F said pins/nails had been left on cycle way on Queensferry Road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Maroon Sailor said: That road had to be closed recently due to a fire at the nursery. Just enough room for the emergency services I was up there when the incident was in full swing. There was no issue at all with the emergency services, and there was a good amount of them. Plenty of room on both sides and even down the road opposite the golf club for one if their pumps and there was no issues with what traffic there was. Then the polis closed the whole road off. The Places for People roll out is by and large atrocious but to suggest there was "just enough room for the emergency services" is wrong. Edited May 14, 2021 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, been here before said: I was up there when the incident was in full swing. There was no issue at all with the emergency services. Plenty of room in both sides and even down the road opposite the golf club for one if their pumps and there was no issues with what traffic there was. Then the polis closed the whole road off. The Places for People roll out is by and large atrocious but to suggest there was "just enough room for the emergency services" is wrong. I didn't suggest that - I got told that. I noticed the 44 was diverted down Wester Hailes Road so obviously couldn't get through Edited May 14, 2021 by Maroon Sailor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, weehammy said: The creep that’s the council leader has tried to pin the blame for vandalism on a cycle path on opponents of spaces for people. And has rightly been pulled up for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: I didn't suggest that - I got told that. I noticed the 44 was diverted down Wester Hailes Road so obviously couldn't get passed If it couldnt get fown then its because the polis had closed the road. There was plenty room for traffic. Edited May 14, 2021 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 The other day I slept in and hadn't moved my car from outside the flat which is single yellow, got outside just in time to see my car being taken away on a tow truck. Whilst really annoying i get it and council fully within their rights to do so, however, the traffic warden said it'd been towed rather than just ticketed because it's classed as a 'key route' that is very busy with traffic (streets never that busy), so how come on plans for a new cycle route from the foot of the walk to ocean terminal they are planning to close such a 'key route' to traffic completely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janbo1874 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Hamilton Place. When I first saw this pic I thought Photoshop until I passed it this morning. Seriously what use is that? A foot of extra space and they even had to stretch out the painted marking to fit it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Janbo1874 said: Hamilton Place. When I first saw this pic I thought Photoshop until I passed it this morning. Seriously what use is that? A foot of extra space and they even had to stretch out the painted marking to fit it in. That is utterly pathetic More risk of going over on your ankle than getting Covid Edited May 14, 2021 by Maroon Sailor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 12 hours ago, Janbo1874 said: Hamilton Place. When I first saw this pic I thought Photoshop until I passed it this morning. Seriously what use is that? A foot of extra space and they even had to stretch out the painted marking to fit it in. Hamilton Place was a horrible street to drive along before those were introduced! We do have a problem with traffic in the city. Too much traffic, too narrow streets. Will take some serious stuff being done to sort out, not tinkering around the edges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 I see they have put more of these planters around the city. One in Currie and one in Silverkowes Road South No consultation apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_HMFC Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 On 14/05/2021 at 21:02, Janbo1874 said: Hamilton Place. When I first saw this pic I thought Photoshop until I passed it this morning. Seriously what use is that? A foot of extra space and they even had to stretch out the painted marking to fit it in. Another waste of money 😂 if we are going with boris plans social distancing will be scrapped next month . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 South Queensferry Temporary my arse That won't change back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 On 14/05/2021 at 21:02, Janbo1874 said: Hamilton Place. When I first saw this pic I thought Photoshop until I passed it this morning. Seriously what use is that? A foot of extra space and they even had to stretch out the painted marking to fit it in. Not sure if has been brought up as not read the whole thread but how will the road sweeping machines clean along side the kerb with these things in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticJambo Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Maroon Sailor said: South Queensferry Temporary my arse That won't change back With the official Diversion past the schools! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 minute ago, ArcticJambo said: With the official Diversion past the schools! Another success for the members of the good ideas club at the CEC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Have them on Craigs road now, nightmare if a bin motor is in front of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 On 05/05/2021 at 19:27, Dagger Is Back said: WTAF? Have they even considered the racial non-inclusivity of using white paint? How does this stuff get through the committees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Spellczech said: Have they even considered the racial non-inclusivity of using white paint? How does this stuff get through the committees? I think that's gender specific too. Not sure where women, non binary, trans gender etc are supposed to walk. Bloody shambles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, theshed said: Not sure if has been brought up as not read the whole thread but how will the road sweeping machines clean along side the kerb with these things in place? Until they can replace the diesel road sweepers with E-road sweepers (I believe they're planning to ask James Anderson to tweet Tesla for them), they are going to employ a new team of cyclists with brooms pointing forwards & leaf blowers pointing to behind. Edited May 18, 2021 by Spellczech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spellczech Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 On 14/05/2021 at 21:02, Janbo1874 said: Hamilton Place. When I first saw this pic I thought Photoshop until I passed it this morning. Seriously what use is that? A foot of extra space and they even had to stretch out the painted marking to fit it in. Still doesn't look 2m so a total waste of time and money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Good point about gutter and gully cleaning! As these now a thing of the past? I know the gulley cleaning vehicle can probably still reach the sivers with their extendable hose but in doing so they will block roads while they complete the task. More congestion causing more pollution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 On 17/05/2021 at 11:39, Maroon Sailor said: I see they have put more of these planters around the city. One in Currie and one in Silverkowes Road South No consultation apparently No time to consult, need to spend the full allocation of money from the Government so that there is no money left to remove any of it when there is no covid excuse for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 The CeC's idea of consultation is to accept the views of less than 1% of EH's population (not sure that all respondents are EH based) and say that is enough to justify the implementation of one of their many vanity projects. They dare not allow us to vote on any matter as they don't want a repeat of their defeat over the proposed Congestion Charge mooted a few years ago. The vehicle hating SNP/Labour coalition are just as big a bunch of charlatans as the Tory government and we all know how much both parties hate them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshed Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Can’t do the link but main headline in Evening news about a cyclist taking to hospital tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/george-iv-bridge-cyclist-taken-to-hospital-following-collision-with-spaces-for-people-barrier-in-edinburgh-3241613 Edited May 18, 2021 by The Real Maroonblood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, The Real Maroonblood said: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/george-iv-bridge-cyclist-taken-to-hospital-following-collision-with-spaces-for-people-barrier-in-edinburgh-3241613 Oooh the irony. Hope they are okay but must be a shite cyclist not to be able to miss these things. Maybe it was that sorry fekker who looks for arguments with car drivers. Edited May 18, 2021 by Seymour M Hersh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 39 minutes ago, theshed said: Can’t do the link but main headline in Evening news about a cyclist taking to hospital tonight Only a matter of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zico Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Only a matter of time It is. I’ve cycled down that a few times and if you’re not dodging potholes, you’re trying to avoid people walking into the cycle lane. The council have, unsurprisingly, made a total ***** of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Maroon Sailor said: Only a matter of time He's not the first. Im sure I read of another in Granton or simewhere who done something similar and ended up with a nasty shoulder or arm injury. The gist being the things are shittily designed and should really have curved faces and rounded edges as opposed be basically being big rubber bricks. Here we go, from January... https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-cyclist-needed-surgery-after-crash-dangerous-base-temporary-cycle-lane-bollard-3113781 Edited May 18, 2021 by been here before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maroon Sailor Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, been here before said: He's not the first. Im sure I read of another in Granton or simewhere who done something similar and ended up with a nasty shoulder or arm injury. The gist being the things are shittily designed and should really have curved faces and rounded edges as opposed be basically being big rubber bricks. Here we go, from January... https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-cyclist-needed-surgery-after-crash-dangerous-base-temporary-cycle-lane-bollard-3113781 FS I wonder how many injured cyclists it will take for someone to see sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 8 hours ago, jonesy said: I feel that's their aim. Cause so much congestion that the 'need' to remove cars becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. More likely they'll just impose the congestion charge that was voted down all those years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 40 minutes ago, Seymour M Hersh said: More likely they'll just impose the congestion charge that was voted down all those years ago. That seems to be the aim - engineer the roads into such a terrible state that no traffic can flow then point and claim its increased car use so congestion charge must happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Quite an interesting article here by an Associate Solicitor involved with Cycle Law Scotland. The websites a bit crappy and you have to scroll down a fair bit: https://www.cyclelawscotland.co.uk/blog/article/spaces-for-people A couple of the more pertinant points- "At Cycle Law Scotland, we have been involved in campaigns for safe cycling since our inception 10 years ago. As a keen cyclist myself, I was somewhat bemused at how quickly local authorities were motivated to make changes to roads and paths, where previous demands for such provision had been ignored... "What I have seen as a solicitor representing cyclists involved in accidents suffering injury is that, too often, Spaces for People measures have simply created additional hazards for cyclists. One of my clients suffered a fractured elbow needing surgery when he collided with an unmarked lane divider in a cycle lane corralling him into a limited space with potholes and speed humps to negotiate. A separate client collided with a lane segregator kerb when entering a new cycle lane on Princes Street, Edinburgh at night... "Whilst good intentioned, it seems that the measures implemented under Spaces for People have been poorly thought out, badly implemented and have perhaps endangered, rather than benefited, the burgeoning cycling community... " Indeed, from my own observations plus looking at comments on social media and news articles (never a good idea, I know), is that the implementation of Spaces for People has increased animosity between ‘cyclists’ and ‘motorists’. Motorists are angry at the congestion and road closures caused. Cyclists are angry at the poor implementation and motorists not wanting to share the roads. Battle lines are drawn, accusations of not paying road tax (psst … it’s not existed since 1937) are made, and attitudes still haven’t changed"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Lyon Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 So far as I can glean from the Herald today over 17,500 people have objected to the Spaces for People measures introduced by the CeC charlatans. I think less than a thousand were for it. This surprisingly contrasts with the CeC's market research! They have previously introduced other vanity projects on the back of consultation responses of circa than 3000 people (less than 1% of EH's population) so they should accept that these measures should be removed. I am a realist and I suspect that they will ignore this consultation because it doesn't suit them and compound their corruption by trying to make them permanent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Tarkin Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Stuart Lyon said: I am a realist and I suspect that they will ignore this consultation because it doesn't suit them and compound their corruption by trying to make them permanent. This is exactly what will happen. Direct action of some description is the only thing that'll make any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Maroonblood Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, Governor Tarkin said: This is exactly what will happen. Direct action of some description is the only thing that'll make any difference. Let's do it. I'll be right behind you. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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