Jambo in Bathgate Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 We looked better up front with Nando on. He set up Walker’s goal and the one that GMS and Naismith fluffed. May have made something out of the corners we had in first half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_jailer Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 He’s no been the same player since Neilson has came in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brawlad74 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Feel for Smith, we have no RB cover and he could prob use a wee break. He gets exposed when our 2 holding mids are caught on break and never gets support from woeful wingers. Saying that he's still in my team for this and next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Leveins Battalion said: Smith is as much a part of our 5 year decline as anybody.He is bang average. He has been one of our most consistent performers BUT he is just a bog standard RB. Not great at attacking or defending but ok at both. I wouldn't be giving any contract extension to any player who has been a regular throughout our downfall. The fact some think he's great say a lot about overall standard than him as a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, jambopilms said: He has been one of our most consistent performers BUT he is just a bog standard RB. Not great at attacking or defending but ok at both. I wouldn't be giving any contract extension to any player who has been a regular throughout our downfall. The fact some think he's great say a lot about overall standard than him as a player. Well said, he HAS been our best performer over the last few years.. point is, that isn’t saying much is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: Over rated. What the **** was he doing at the goal. We’ve conceded a lot of chances down that right side this season He is not over rated! He is an excellent player having a period of poor games! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Since hes signed his new deal he has been pretty poor tbh as has Kingsley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Thomaso said: He is not over rated! He is an excellent player having a period of poor games! What is he excellent at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Easily our most consistent player in the last 4 years. Everyone is entitled to an off day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hogfather Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Just now, Locky said: Easily our most consistent player in the last 4 years. Everyone is entitled to an off day. Nah, one poor game in 4 years means he’s shite. Standard Kickback response after a poor result. Group of people unable to hold a sense of perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 We had 26 shots with 5 on target, that was the problem today , should have won easily with that amount of shots, easy to pick on Smith though, theres plenty before him to pick on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locky Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Nunya Business said: Nah, one poor game in 4 years means he’s shite. Standard Kickback response after a poor result. Group of people unable to hold a sense of perspective. How could I forget. A relatively meaningless 1-1 draw with Morton is the lowest point of this great clubs history. Every one of those players should be shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: We had 26 shots with 5 on target, that was the problem today , should have won easily with that amount of shots, easy to pick on Smith though, theres plenty before him to pick on. No doubt. But he isn’t as good as a large portion of our fans seem to think. A bottom 6 right back at best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Leveins Battalion said: Smith is as much a part of our 5 year decline as anybody.He is bang average. You can paint a picture of a player in a negative or positive light if you nit picked at particular parts of their game. Imo, Smith has never been a convincing RB. People see the safe play, taking an extra touch and playing it easy all the time when it should be a quicker, braver ball. He’s easy beat one on one for a full back, but people don’t watch close enough. Been skinned many times too easily. His use of the ball is middling , especially when you need something telling. That’s why he tends to be safe most of the time which makes some people think he’s great. Mr Reliable. Nothing more imo. He’s not giving you more than what you see, and as you say, has been part of the slippery slope. He’s much better as a covering CH. We need to start getting in more braver, forceful players in mindset and ability. McEneff from midfield (in the first half) showed the type of endeavour in players we need all around the positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franco2209 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: You can paint a picture of a player in a negative or positive light if you nit picked at particular parts of their game. Imo, Smith has never been a convincing RB. People see the safe play, taking an extra touch and playing it easy all the time when it should be a quicker, braver ball. He’s easy beat one on one for a full back, but people don’t watch close enough. Been skinned many times too easily. His use of the ball is middling , especially when you need something telling. That’s why he tends to be safe most of the time which makes some people think he’s great. Mr Reliable. Nothing more imo. He’s not giving you more than what you see, and as you say, has been part of the slippery slope. He’s much better as a covering CH. We need to start getting in more braver, forceful players in mindset and ability. McEneff from midfield (in the first half) showed the type of endeavour in players we need all around the positions. Great post! We should have just let him see out his contact and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qferryjam Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 3 hours ago, 19/05/2012 said: Both full backs have let free balls into our box so many times this season. They need to start defending instead of standing off Whole team stands off ,it’s like they are in training mode allowing the attacking team to go thru their full phase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, the_jailer said: He’s no been the same player since Neilson has came in 😱. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Our most steady player by a country mile, but yet again people are blaming the players, he ain't the problem 👍. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qferryjam Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 3 hours ago, hearts attack said: Michel Smith is the last man to blame for our performances. It’s endemic throughout the team ,several times today he cut inside played a pass and just stopped ,players making a pass and just hoping the recipient will do something special ,slow build up allows them all to just stop means lack of options and players out of position , no effort to cover for their colleagues ,Morton didn’t have the skills but put everything into the game ,tackled like it was their last game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
My half sister Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 1 hour ago, brawlad74 said: Feel for Smith, we have no RB cover and he could prob use a wee break. He gets exposed when our 2 holding mids are caught on break and never gets support from woeful wingers. Saying that he's still in my team for this and next season. 6 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: Our most steady player by a country mile, but yet again people are blaming the players, he ain't the problem 👍. Why does he need a break, we only play one game a week? we need more than ‘steady’. Technically he is poor and there must be better available for less money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qferryjam Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Debut 4 said: You can paint a picture of a player in a negative or positive light if you nit picked at particular parts of their game. Imo, Smith has never been a convincing RB. People see the safe play, taking an extra touch and playing it easy all the time when it should be a quicker, braver ball. He’s easy beat one on one for a full back, but people don’t watch close enough. Been skinned many times too easily. His use of the ball is middling , especially when you need something telling. That’s why he tends to be safe most of the time which makes some people think he’s great. Mr Reliable. Nothing more imo. He’s not giving you more than what you see, and as you say, has been part of the slippery slope. He’s much better as a covering CH. We need to start getting in more braver, forceful players in mindset and ability. McEneff from midfield (in the first half) showed the type of endeavour in players we need all around the positions. A team is a sum of its parts but when the system breaks down players faults are amplified u need guys like Smith but they have to connect with those around them ,he cannae even build up a relationship wi the guys in front of him in one half of a game as the manager sees fit to swap the wingers after 30 mins then put Naismith out there for a wee while , we play a rigid system that is easy to frustrate as those playing in it don’t seem to have any confidence in it after about 25 mins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOnlyWayis51 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Poor today but I want him in the squad. He has the right attitude and more often than not earns his wage and his place in the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andi17 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Just now, Debut 4 said: You can paint a picture of a player in a negative or positive light if you nit picked at particular parts of their game. Imo, Smith has never been a convincing RB. People see the safe play, taking an extra touch and playing it easy all the time when it should be a quicker, braver ball. He’s easy beat one on one for a full back, but people don’t watch close enough. Been skinned many times too easily. His use of the ball is middling , especially when you need something telling. That’s why he tends to be safe most of the time which makes some people think he’s great. Mr Reliable. Nothing more imo. He’s not giving you more than what you see, and as you say, has been part of the slippery slope. He’s much better as a covering CH. We need to start getting in more braver, forceful players in mindset and ability. McEneff from midfield (in the first half) showed the type of endeavour in players we need all around the positions. Correct i don't want mediocre or reliable i wan't horrible bad nasty winners right through the team the comment today when Naismith gave away about half a dozen passes in a row from the commentary team i they probably don't wan't to have a pop at him somebody should have the balls to be screaming at him to buck up his ideas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said: Our most steady player by a country mile, but yet again people are blaming the players, he ain't the problem 👍. But yet the same players have been half arsed, uninterested and poor for 3 managers now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, jambopilms said: But yet the same players have been half arsed, uninterested and poor for 3 managers now. Some yes others no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brawlad74 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 34 minutes ago, My half sister said: Why does he need a break, we only play one game a week? we need more than ‘steady’. Technically he is poor and there must be better available for less money He needs a break cause he looks jaded and not playing to his full potential. If he played in another position he would have been dropped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J80MBO Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) A thread having a go a Michael Smith. Thought I had seen it all. Reminder why rarely come onto kickback. Edited February 20, 2021 by J80MBO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo 1874 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, J80MBO said: A thread having a go a Michael Smith. Thought I had seen it all. Reminder why rarely come onto kickback. Just an excuse really when we all know who is to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worthing Jambo Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Smith was the one that picked up the game in the second half. If a few others had upped their game we would have won today. He certainly tried that second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scallywag Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Might not have been at his best today but he is the least of our problems. One of the fews players in recent years that has maintained any kind of consistency and quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle1874 Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 Bring in Rooney from st Johnston move smith to CB Rooney is strong has a bit of pace can defend and is a really good crosser of the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 5 hours ago, kingantti1874 said: Over rated. What the **** was he doing at the goal. We’ve conceded a lot of chances down that right side this season What an embarrassment on your part. Been our most consistent player for a long time and one of our better right backs. I don’t think he has been himself since he was out with covid but hopefully that will just take time. Didn’t think he was at his best today but he tried to make things happen, especially in the second half. Thought he was one of the better performers today. Not that the standard was high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Jambo in Bathgate said: We looked better up front with Nando on. He set up Walker’s goal and the one that GMS and Naismith fluffed. May have made something out of the corners we had in first half. Embarrassing not playing 2 up front, especially at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 20, 2021 Author Share Posted February 20, 2021 49 minutes ago, Uncle Buck said: What an embarrassment on your part. Been our most consistent player for a long time and one of our better right backs. I don’t think he has been himself since he was out with covid but hopefully that will just take time. Didn’t think he was at his best today but he tried to make things happen, especially in the second half. Thought he was one of the better performers today. Not that the standard was high. Judging by this thread I don’t think I’m alone. He has been the most consistent yes - in the 3 worst seasons I’ve ever had the most fortune to watch. im simply observing that being our best player during that spell means nothing really, the bar is that low.. and that he shouldn’t be exempt from criticism when it’s due. Like today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, kingantti1874 said: Judging by this thread I don’t think I’m alone. He has been the most consistent yes - in the 3 worst seasons I’ve ever had the most fortune to watch. im simply observing that being our best player during that spell means nothing really, the bar is that low.. and that he shouldn’t be exempt from criticism when it’s due. Like today Hmm 18/19 season we finished 6th so I struggle to see how that’s the worst you’ve ever watched. Same with this season. There’s no doubt Smith has been the best of a bad bunch in the last few years. I would have loved to see him in the 2006 team. For me it’s between Smith and Paterson for the best right back I’ve ever seen at Hearts. Maybe that says more about our right backs but he’s been a very steady, consistent, reliable player for us. You’re probably disappointed in his performances because he has set a high standard for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One five Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 (edited) Great player but players in front of him (not all) are passengers! Edited February 21, 2021 by One five Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 10 hours ago, HoGwash said: 100% this. Because Halkett made an absolute erse of it and got beaten, everyone else in the defence had to shuffle over 1 place to the left, leaving the widest Morton man free. Smith had no choice but to move inside after Halkett's error. Disagree. The boy in possession has a lot of work to do to score from there and Smith gave him the option of a final killer ball which wouldn’t have been on had Smith stayed where he was. You can’t leave space like that in behind you knowing there’s a runner there. If you go, you MUST win the ball or you’re at fault for the outcome. He made a difficult chance into an easy one for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo in Bathgate Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 7 hours ago, JimmyCant said: Disagree. The boy in possession has a lot of work to do to score from there and Smith gave him the option of a final killer ball which wouldn’t have been on had Smith stayed where he was. You can’t leave space like that in behind you knowing there’s a runner there. If you go, you MUST win the ball or you’re at fault for the outcome. He made a difficult chance into an easy one for them. Their goal also came from us not being awarded a corner. Poor refereeing. Although Smith should have covered the runner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Both Smith and Kingsley have been worse since they signed new contracts. Self motivation now gone and have switched off. Shameful. That said there is a lot more than these two experienced professionals that haven't switched on for a couple of years nevermind off again. Easy to blame Neilson but reality is many players have been half arsed and unprofessional under 3 managers now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 42 minutes ago, jambopilms said: Both Smith and Kingsley have been worse since they signed new contracts. Self motivation now gone and have switched off. Shameful. That said there is a lot more than these two experienced professionals that haven't switched on for a couple of years nevermind off again. Easy to blame Neilson but reality is many players have been half arsed and unprofessional under 3 managers now. I agree to an extent but to me we look totally devoid of ideas and ways to break down teams like Morton etc who just sit and and hit on the break. We keep adding new players but they keep producing the same sort of dross. That for me it's starting to suggest that it is how the players are being coached and the style they are baing asked to play that is the problem. I felt sorry for Smith at times yesterday when he is breaking forward up the wing and looking for some movement to allow the pass and invariably there is none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 21, 2021 Author Share Posted February 21, 2021 12 hours ago, Uncle Buck said: Hmm 18/19 season we finished 6th so I struggle to see how that’s the worst you’ve ever watched. Same with this season. There’s no doubt Smith has been the best of a bad bunch in the last few years. I would have loved to see him in the 2006 team. For me it’s between Smith and Paterson for the best right back I’ve ever seen at Hearts. Maybe that says more about our right backs but he’s been a very steady, consistent, reliable player for us. You’re probably disappointed in his performances because he has set a high standard for himself. We hardly won after October in 18/19. So the worst 2.75 seasons I’ve ever watched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, wavydavy said: I agree to an extent but to me we look totally devoid of ideas and ways to break down teams like Morton etc who just sit and and hit on the break. We keep adding new players but they keep producing the same sort of dross. That for me it's starting to suggest that it is how the players are being coached and the style they are baing asked to play that is the problem. I felt sorry for Smith at times yesterday when he is breaking forward up the wing and looking for some movement to allow the pass and invariably there is none. Experienced professionals shouldn't need to be told to move into space to receive the ball. I just takes a bit more effort which most are not willing to give Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Just now, jambopilms said: Experienced professionals shouldn't need to be told to move into space to receive the ball. I just takes a bit more effort which most are not willing to give I agree but why isn't it happening? Experienced pros also know that if they don't play to the game plan given to them by the Manager then they will not be playing. This is not something new our lack of movement used to happen under CL as well with the odd exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 My biggest gripe with Smith and it always has been is his complete inability to put in a good cross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex member of the SaS Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 Not his best display ( especially his shot at goal ) but has been one of our better players for a while, Struggles to find someone up front to play the ball to, far too often, but that's not his fault. Any player who has a shot at goal with no pressure and missed then they need to go back to training better. Skimming the woodwork is the least that should happen and the other times the keeper saves or it's a goal, but to miss 2 or 3 yards wide or over is a disgrace at this level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsmakesomenoise Posted February 21, 2021 Share Posted February 21, 2021 23 hours ago, 1971fozzy said: He was poor but no way as poor as Halliday, GMS or Naismith. we have bigger problems than Smith Has GMS got a “must play 90 minutes” clause in his contract, cos thats the only reason I can think of for that waste of space being on the pitch. Rank rotten! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ri Alban Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 A big fan, but he's been murder for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveins Battalion Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Started a thread about 2 years ago about him,utter pony of a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 I took some amount of stick for raising the thread. Right now he’s offering nothing. No worse than many of our players but he’s the one that seems to escape the stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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