Thomaso Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 51 minutes ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Funnily enough, a boring 1-0 is as enjoyable as an 8-0 because once this season ends it will be forgotten and disregarded. The sooner it is over and our reinstatement is confirmed, the better. The pseudo-Nevilles who are more worried about style, passing stats and expected goals can foxtrot oscar. An 8-0 win would be very enjoyable even from the comfort of my old armchair! I do agree that the sooner we get out of this league the better, however I would have thought that Neilson may be looking to improve our passing, style and team development to give us a good basis to go into the Premier league with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: 2s are fine. Don't want a Csaba type play for 1.0s as their 0 soon become 1s and our 1s, 0s. (Opinioned based on what I thought happened over a decade ago, rather than any form of research) Was Csaba guilty of that? I would have thought your finger could have been pointed at our ex DoF in that regard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Kilpatrick Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Thomaso said: An 8-0 win would be very enjoyable even from the comfort of my old armchair! I do agree that the sooner we get out of this league the better, however I would have thought that Neilson may be looking to improve our passing, style and team development to give us a good basis to go into the Premier league with. Sure but I think this is a dangerous fallacy. If we think back to our runaway success at this level last time, we felt we had a team that was ready to challenge at the top end of the table when we went up. As it transpired, a number of players were simply not good enough. Pallardo was a classic example. So, irrespective of style points, I look forward to transplanting new players into a number of positions next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devorgilla Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 5 hours ago, Jambojock9 said: They are staying at the Holiday inn up at the crichton Thanks. Presumably just for before the game, not overnight?! 5 hours ago, Kid A said: Half thought about getting a set of ladders and watching over the wall on Terregles Street Would think if any Queens supporters were doing this then it would have been in the media, surely. I have access to a set of ladders but I think in front of the fire and tv will be comfier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I’ll go along with @Geoff Kilpatrick we are due to give someone an absolute horsing but I think QoS might nick one so I’ll go for 8-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Still don't think the game will be on but if so I think it will be 2 nil the Jambos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Still don't think the game will be on but if so I think it will be 2 nil the Jambos. Sorry to spoil your latest negative post but Latest weather forecast has gales not starting until midnight now and temperature of-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearts00 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, OldGorgie said: Sorry to spoil your latest negative post but Latest weather forecast has gales not starting until midnight now and temperature of-1. Have they cleared the pitch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, hearts00 said: Have they cleared the pitch? No snow in Dumfries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, hearts00 said: Have they cleared the pitch? I don’t think there was snow that far west Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 1-0 Hearts. Any win will do this season. Get the fecking league won, change most of the team for next season, finish 3rd (at least) next year. By the way .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, OldGorgie said: Sorry to spoil your latest negative post but Latest weather forecast has gales not starting until midnight now and temperature of-1. I predicted a Hearts win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karipidis Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Still don't think the game will be on but if so I think it will be 2 nil the Jambos. It will quite clearly be on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 6-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: 6-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Sure but I think this is a dangerous fallacy. If we think back to our runaway success at this level last time, we felt we had a team that was ready to challenge at the top end of the table when we went up. As it transpired, a number of players were simply not good enough. Pallardo was a classic example. So, irrespective of style points, I look forward to transplanting new players into a number of positions next season. Personally I thought the Championship winning team was dismantled far to early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: 8-0 I’m with Geoff. I expect QotS to take the Hearts dry schlong...& HARD!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC01 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 34 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: 6-3. 🥇 👏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Sure but I think this is a dangerous fallacy. If we think back to our runaway success at this level last time, we felt we had a team that was ready to challenge at the top end of the table when we went up. As it transpired, a number of players were simply not good enough. Pallardo was a classic example. So, irrespective of style points, I look forward to transplanting new players into a number of positions next season. Correct, a few places to be filled by players who can actually improve us , but it's horses for courses just now and time to think about change the minute we win our way back.up, let's just put a few goals away mean.time and put spl on a slow back burner for now. Onwards & upwards 🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦🇶🇦 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambof3tornado Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 I think we have better competition for places so hopefully that pushes players to perform better. We will click at some point and batter a team. Away in dumfries sounds like a good place for it to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 3 hours ago, GinRummy said: If you say ****ing in between boos it feels a bit better. Dunno if swearing makes you feel less childish or if there’s some other reason for it but definitely works. I'll try it but only if I have to and I hope I don't have to. Must say that it definately works when I switch on my score app to find that we are 3-0 down to Stenhousemuir at half time. That sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenNaismith Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Gordon Smith Popescu Halkett Kingsley Irving Halliday Walker McEneff Mackay-Steven Boyce 3-0 Hearts, Boyce x2 & Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Idle Talk Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I find this train of thought that says 'it doesn't matter how we play this season as long as we win the matches and get promoted' to be a bit short sighted, I have to say. Obviously the bottom line is that we want to win the games and failure to get promoted would be a disaster. But we need to be thinking a bit more bigger picture than that. I certainly hope our management team are. If we were to win every game from now until the end of the season 1-0 or 2-1 and we were just scraping by and not really playing well, that doesn't really set us up very well for next season does it? I feel we should be using the fact that we are facing weaker opposition as an opportunity to fine tune a style of play, work on our attacking play in particular, and build confidence throughout the squad by scoring a lot of goals and winning games convincingly. Obviously we can't win convincingly all the time but that is certainly what we should be striving for in this league. I'd actually be pretty disappointed in the management team if they were sending out signals to the players that any win will do and it doesn't really matter about performances just as long as we get promoted. I really feel we shouldn't be viewing this season as a kind of season in isolation. We should be looking at it in terms of where we want to be at the beginning of next season and using it to build towards that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graygo Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 No chance it'll be 8-0, I'm going for 0-8 😲 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 7 hours ago, DETTY29 said: Don't want a Csaba type play for 1.0s as their 0 soon become 1s and our 1s, 0s. That's a very binary way of looking at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleLafferty Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Can anyone name me a club in scotland who plays good football? This nonsense about attacking football or style. In scotland it’s about winning battles, second balls and being aggressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 45 minutes ago, KyleLafferty said: Can anyone name me a club in scotland who plays good football? This nonsense about attacking football or style. In scotland it’s about winning battles, second balls and being aggressive. Wouldn’t disagree with your last paragraph at all....but there’s playing good football then there’s playing well and having a positive strategy. Two different things. As I say, I don’t disagree with those main parts you say but that’s the fundamentals , always will be, before you start going about fine tuning a squad to improve standards and play. We’ve been doing the opposite for the last 3 years. I do want to see better play though. We go decades saying winning only counts but we struggled to do that in the last few years. It’s about setting a standard to get back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Funnily enough, a boring 1-0 is as enjoyable as an 8-0 because once this season ends it will be forgotten and disregarded. The sooner it is over and our reinstatement is confirmed, the better. The pseudo-Nevilles who are more worried about style, passing stats and expected goals can foxtrot oscar. In and out as quickly as possible. Get the job done. Foxtrot Oscar. I'm using that, GK. If that's OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldGorgie Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 8 hours ago, Thomaso said: Personally I thought the Championship winning team was dismantled far to early. Totally agree. Personally I put it down to the influence of Levein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8hibsh Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 8 hours ago, StevenNaismith said: Gordon Smith Popescu Halkett Kingsley Irving Halliday Walker McEneff Mackay-Steven Boyce 3-0 Hearts, Boyce x2 & Walker Irving and Halliday are awful together. They just don't click imo. They certainly don't deserve a start after the last game. If they start then the players around them will have to work twice as hard. Awful pairing, just awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J80MBO Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 5-1 to hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobreath Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 See this on Reddit. Quite interesting for stat geeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debut 4 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Irving and Halliday are awful together. They just don't click imo. They certainly don't deserve a start after the last game. If they start then the players around them will have to work twice as hard. Awful pairing, just awful. I liked the Stendel version of Irving. He encouraged more energy from him. Running with the ball, pushing through the middle. Irving is a player I like and I’m not saying he’s playing poorly, he’s just slipped back into a sitting , half paced role. I’d have liked the former to have absorbed into his style and it worries me when players don’t let that become natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1953 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 I've just looked at the met office for Dumfries. There is little chance of rain or snow but by this evening the wind will be 13mph gusting to 25mph which will make the temp feel like -6c. Good luck lads. 2-0 to us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weebroon98 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 3 pts, a few goals, a clean sheet and keep the momentum going to get out of this tinpot league. Will still take a 1-0 win in the 96 min Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portobellojambo1 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Geoff Kilpatrick said: Sure but I think this is a dangerous fallacy. If we think back to our runaway success at this level last time, we felt we had a team that was ready to challenge at the top end of the table when we went up. As it transpired, a number of players were simply not good enough. Pallardo was a classic example. So, irrespective of style points, I look forward to transplanting new players into a number of positions next season. I agree with the above Geoff, promotion back to the top flight is the important factor, not how we do it, how many goals we score, just doing it. I was probably one of many who thought after some of the results we got the last time we were in the Championship that coming back up it would be more of the same, we'd just steamroller every team. I hope, but am getting the impression, that the back room staff are learning a lot more this time round, in as much as they are learning in advance of coming back up who will be best suited to help us hold our own once there. I suspect that in addition to working out who, and in what positions, people will continue to perform well in the top flight, working out which players we can say goodbye to and where we need to strengthen will also be getting considered in advance of next season, rather than waiting and trying to then change everything once the new season is underway. Beat the opposition, irrespective of the score, and the end result is always three points, learning from games we lose, why we lost them, is also a big factor. Once up instilling belief in the players will also play its part, and that is where I think having guys like Lee McCulloch amongst the backroom staff can help. He was brought up with the sort of attitude that is bred by the OF, that football is all about winning, not just playing, and I think we need to instill a similar attitude in our players, that winning = prizes. Edited February 12, 2021 by portobellojambo1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jambo Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 So if we’re pulling scores out our arses. I’m saying 0-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizla Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, Weebroon98 said: 3 pts, a few goals, a clean sheet and keep the momentum going to get out of this tinpot league. Will still take a 1-0 win in the 96 min FS Weebroon I’ll have smashed the tv by that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizla Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 3pts then we torch the toon and surrounding village’s. it’s up to individuals what they want to do with the wimmin & livestock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 All about getting to **** out this league and i really couldn’t give to flying ****s how well the team play. Get the results on the board whilst building a team that will be able to hit the Premier League by storm next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 An early goal for us should push us on to a convincing win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Gordon Smith Halkett Popescu Kingsley Irving Halliday Kastaneer Walker GMS Boyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niemi’s gloves Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 8 hours ago, No Idle Talk said: I find this train of thought that says 'it doesn't matter how we play this season as long as we win the matches and get promoted' to be a bit short sighted, I have to say. Obviously the bottom line is that we want to win the games and failure to get promoted would be a disaster. But we need to be thinking a bit more bigger picture than that. I certainly hope our management team are. If we were to win every game from now until the end of the season 1-0 or 2-1 and we were just scraping by and not really playing well, that doesn't really set us up very well for next season does it? I feel we should be using the fact that we are facing weaker opposition as an opportunity to fine tune a style of play, work on our attacking play in particular, and build confidence throughout the squad by scoring a lot of goals and winning games convincingly. Obviously we can't win convincingly all the time but that is certainly what we should be striving for in this league. I'd actually be pretty disappointed in the management team if they were sending out signals to the players that any win will do and it doesn't really matter about performances just as long as we get promoted. I really feel we shouldn't be viewing this season as a kind of season in isolation. We should be looking at it in terms of where we want to be at the beginning of next season and using it to build towards that time. This reads to me as a description of how the world “ought” to work, not how it does work. I’d say that in practice, teams that are promoted playing a lot of attacking football often struggle when they move up. Stendel’s Barnsley team was I think a good example of this. Conversely teams that have the knack of squeezing wins out of tight games may continue to pick up points at the higher level. I’m reminded of a quote from a Celtic manager (can’t remember which one) when they went out of Europe on goal difference after a 5-4 home win. “It was a swashbuckling performance - the attack swashed but the defence buckled”. That may be the fate of a team that moves up a division after putting the emphasis on attacking at the lower level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 48 minutes ago, i8hibsh said: Irving and Halliday are awful together. They just don't click imo. They certainly don't deserve a start after the last game. If they start then the players around them will have to work twice as hard. Awful pairing, just awful. I know it's part of your brand on here to be negative about absolutely everything, but, when playing Halliday and Irving together in midfield, we have won every game, aside from a draw against Celtic at Hampden. Believe it is Played 10, Won 9, Drawn 1. Not bad for an awful pairing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinRummy Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, Niemi’s gloves said: This reads to me as a description of how the world “ought” to work, not how it does work. I’d say that in practice, teams that are promoted playing a lot of attacking football often struggle when they move up. Stendel’s Barnsley team was I think a good example of this. Conversely teams that have the knack of squeezing wins out of tight games may continue to pick up points at the higher level. I’m reminded of a quote from a Celtic manager (can’t remember which one) when they went out of Europe on goal difference after a 5-4 home win. “It was a swashbuckling performance - the attack swashed but the defence buckled”. That may be the fate of a team that moves up a division after putting the emphasis on attacking at the lower level. I get what you are saying but believe you’re maybe overthinking it a wee bit. Unlike most promotion chasing teams we have some excellent attacking players. Play to there strengths and get better central defenders and there’s no reason at all we can’t play an attacking style in the top flight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Turgid 1-0 win. Just get us out of this tinpot league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyces beard Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, i8hibsh said: Irving and Halliday are awful together. They just don't click imo. They certainly don't deserve a start after the last game. If they start then the players around them will have to work twice as hard. Awful pairing, just awful. 16 minutes ago, Juho_Makela_Goal_Machine said: I know it's part of your brand on here to be negative about absolutely everything, but, when playing Halliday and Irving together in midfield, we have won every game, aside from a draw against Celtic at Hampden. Believe it is Played 10, Won 9, Drawn 1. Not bad for an awful pairing. 8 minutes ago, Barack said: Oh, i8. Back to the spreadsheets. HaHa comedy gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 2-3 corker of a game, all unexpected scorers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Used to not mind QotS. Hope they are knackered now though. Dumfries is still quite a nice area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, portobellojambo1 said: I agree with the above Geoff, promotion back to the top flight is the important factor, not how we do it, how many goals we score, just doing it. I was probably one of many who thought after some of the results we got the last time we were in the Championship that coming back up it would be more of the same, we'd just steamroller every team. I hope, but am getting the impression, that the back room staff are learning a lot more this time round, in as much as they are learning in advance of coming back up who will be best suited to help us hold our own once there. I suspect that in addition to working out who, and in what positions, people will continue to perform well in the top flight, working out which players we can say goodbye to and where we need to strengthen will also be getting considered in advance of next season, rather than waiting and trying to then change everything once the new season is underway. Beat the opposition, irrespective of the score, and the end result is always three points, learning from games we lose, why we lost them, is also a big factor. Once up instilling belief in the players will also play its part, and that is where I think having guys like Lee McCulloch amongst the backroom staff can help. He was brought up with the sort of attitude that is bred by the OF, that football is all about winning, not just playing, and I think we need to instill a similar attitude in our players, that winning = prizes. Strange how time revises memories and beliefs. Last time we were in the Championship we won 11 of our games by one goal. Not really ‘steamrollering’ every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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