Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Anyone know of any decent ones Requirements 2:2 or lower Decent money (18k plus) Opportunity to get a decent qualification whilst working Relatively exciting/Decent Edinburgh or surround a likely option Need to actually try hard and get one this year before all my exemptions expire Cheers in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Just a guess but probably not the best time to be looking for graduate jobs. Just checl out every big companies website. They all have links and details. Good luck, think you may need it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 24, 2008 Author Share Posted January 24, 2008 Just a guess but probably not the best time to be looking for graduate jobs. Just checl out every big companies website. They all have links and details. Good luck, think you may need it !! Tbh I cant be assed with the big companies would prefer something relativly small The amount of hoops the big ones expect you to jump through is ridicolous, and you can easily spend hours per company Not to mention there ridicolous habit of refusing to do assessment centres anywere decent I had a look at them last year and gave up in the end, too much hassle at a time i had more important things too worry about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Tbh I cant be assed with the big companies would prefer something relativly small The amount of hoops the big ones expect you to jump through is ridicolous, and you can easily spend hours per company Not to mention there ridicolous habit of refusing to do assessment centres anywere decent I had a look at them last year and gave up in the end, too much hassle at a time i had more important things too worry about I have no idea about smaller companies. But you are probably right, much better chance of getting somewhere in a smaller place. Find a few that are in the sector you want to work in and give them a call. Nothing to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Tbh I cant be assed with the big companies would prefer something relativly small The amount of hoops the big ones expect you to jump through is ridicolous, and you can easily spend hours per company Not to mention there ridicolous habit of refusing to do assessment centres anywere decent I had a look at them last year and gave up in the end, too much hassle at a time i had more important things too worry about Beggars can't be choosers Banksy... Ukio Bankas may be looking for staff though. BTW in your OP, 2.2 or LOWER? You're having a giraffe, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 2:2? Forget it. Pucker up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 2:2? Forget it. Pucker up. Hey! I got a Desmond and haven't turned out too badly! (although the Postgrad probably trumped it and helped immeasurably...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deek Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Anyone know of any decent ones Requirements 2:2 or lower Decent money (18k plus) Opportunity to get a decent qualification whilst working Relatively exciting/Decent Edinburgh or surround a likely option Need to actually try hard and get one this year before all my exemptions expire Cheers in advance Here are the top 30 graduate employers, decided by students. TOP 100 GRADUATE EMPLOYERS2007 2006 Employer Sector 1 -1 PricewaterhouseCoopers Services 2 -2 Deloitte Services 3 -3 KPMG Services 4 -4 Civil Service Public Sector 5 -5 BBC Media 6 -6 NHS Public Sector 7 -8 Accenture Services 8 -7 HSBC Banking 9 -12 Aldi Retail 10 -10 Goldman Sachs Banking 11 -14 Ernst & Young Services 12 -11 Shell Industrial 13 -17 GlaxoSmithKline Health 14 -16 Teach First Public sector 15 -9 Procter & Gamble Consumer goods 16 -15 RBS Group Banking 17 -22 Marks & Spencer Retail 18 -13 Army Public Sector 19 -20 BP Industrial 20 -31 UBS Banking 21 -18 IBM Services 22 -19 JP Morgan Banking 23 -21 Unilever Consumer goods 24 -23 Rolls Royce Industrial 25 -27 Police Public sector 26 -26 Tesco Retail 27 -35 Barclays Bank Banking 28 -44 Linklaters Law 29 -33 Deutsche Bank Banking 30 -28 L'Oreal Consumer goods You could always join the police at no 25, ahead of Barclays Bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Whittaker's Tache Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 What do you actually want to do? What's your degree in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_ Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Hey! I got a Desmond and haven't turned out too badly! (although the Postgrad probably trumped it and helped immeasurably...) Same here! All the best students get 2:2s! Still convinced it could've been a first if it wasn't for all the partying! Bloody typical that techno came out whilst I was trying to do a degree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Same here! All the best students get 2:2s! Still convinced it could've been a first if it wasn't for all the partying! Bloody typical that techno came out whilst I was trying to do a degree! Do we know each other? The "E" Plan diet certainly affected my work/life balance back in the day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Therapist Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Tbh I cant be assed with the big companies The amount of hoops the big ones expect you to jump through is ridicolous Not to mention there ridicolous habit of refusing to do assessment centres anywere decent too much hassle Typical graduate. Wants something for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Whittaker's Tache Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Same here! All the best students get 2:2s! Still convinced it could've been a first if it wasn't for all the partying! Bloody typical that techno came out whilst I was trying to do a degree! Snap! I like to think I got a social degree Is it coincidence that I now work for a booze company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Hey! I got a Desmond and haven't turned out too badly! (although the Postgrad probably trumped it and helped immeasurably...) Pah, you went to an ancient old boy. That's different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Pah, you went to an ancient old boy. That's different Well, that's very true. I remember when being interviewed for my current job, an academic on the panel mentioned my 2:2 from Glasgow saying that I had a very good degree. I could have kissed him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 25, 2008 Author Share Posted January 25, 2008 Typical graduate. Wants something for nothing. Barely Im all for reasonable tests, and procedures But expecting people to take time from study/work to complete a 2 hour application form, followed by a 50 minute psychometric test, followed by further tests, followed by phone interviews, followed by assessment days far away all for the possibility of a job is to much Im happy to send off CV's, do related tests and generally do stuff with a point but I actually detest the ridicolous tests the big lot expect you to do Psychometric tests and "team" assessment days = waste of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Payton Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Barely Im all for reasonable tests, and procedures But expecting people to take time from study/work to complete a 2 hour application form, followed by a 50 minute psychometric test, followed by further tests, followed by phone interviews, followed by assessment days far away all for the possibility of a job is to much Im happy to send off CV's, do related tests and generally do stuff with a point but I actually detest the ridicolous tests the big lot expect you to do Psychometric tests and "team" assessment days = waste of time If you think that's too much work to do when you should be trying to prove yourself a hard worker and you're ready to go that extra mile, I'm not sure I'd want to give you a job. The graduate jobs at big companies are in that much demand, its probably fair game for them to have extensive recruitment programmes to ensure they get the best (in their opinion) of those that apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Tbh I cant be assed with the big companies would prefer something relativly small The amount of hoops the big ones expect you to jump through is ridicolous, and you can easily spend hours per company Not to mention there ridicolous habit of refusing to do assessment centres anywere decent I had a look at them last year and gave up in the end, too much hassle at a time i had more important things too worry about If you want to be the best gotta jump thru hoops.... hows work not the most important thing to think about, you dono what you've got. If the jobs good enuff you would travel to assessment centres... you stupid. I think feck all like the above but waited a long time for Prancer to complain about something stemming from a Capitalist way of business. You getting weak in your old age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K1874M Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 Big ups to the 2:2 massive. Get cained blow student loans on dam trips and get a 2:2, all ended well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 you could allways go on the game!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holymoly Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 No disrespect to the desmonds in the thread, but I thought most graduate programmes had minimum requirements of a 2:1? The OP will be lucky to even get a phone interview with a 2:2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Here are the top 30 graduate employers, decided by students. Might get a look in with a 2:2 1 -1 PricewaterhouseCoopers Services 3 -3 KPMG Services 6 -6 NHS Public Sector 13 -17 GlaxoSmithKline Health 14 -16 Teach First Public sector 15 -9 Procter & Gamble Consumer goods 9 -12 Aldi Retail 17 -22 Marks & Spencer Retail 18 -13 Army Public Sector 23 -21 Unilever Consumer goods 24 -23 Rolls Royce Industrial 25 -27 Police Public sector 26 -26 Tesco Retail 30 -28 L'Oreal Consumer goods Not a chance of getting on their grad programmes without at least a 2:1 2 -2 Deloitte Services 4 -4 Civil Service Public Sector 5 -5 BBC Media 7 -8 Accenture Services 8 -7 HSBC Banking 10 -10 Goldman Sachs Banking 11 -14 Ernst & Young Services 12 -11 Shell Industrial 16 -15 RBS Group Banking 19 -20 BP Industrial 20 -31 UBS Banking 21 -18 IBM Services 22 -19 JP Morgan Banking 27 -35 Barclays Bank Banking 28 -44 Linklaters Law 29 -33 Deutsche Bank Banking You could always join the police at no 25, ahead of Barclays Bank. You might get a job with the 2:1 list bunch but it wouldn't be on there grad scheme. If you're not prepared to jump through the hoops for any of them then you're screwed. Try and find a wee local accounting firm that'll fund your training, but it'll take longer to climb the ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougal Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Anyone know of any decent ones Requirements 2:2 or lower Decent money (18k plus) Opportunity to get a decent qualification whilst working Relatively exciting/Decent Edinburgh or surround a likely option Need to actually try hard and get one this year before all my exemptions expire Cheers in advance This doesn't tick all your boxes, but you cannot beat it for work, pay and conditions. Try http://www.nats.co.uk Give it serious thought, I did and don't regret it for a minute. Working in Prestwick at the moment, not at the airport but at the area centrem (not going to explain). It's really good, plenty of time off. Only downside is that you won't get all your weekends off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 26, 2008 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 You might get a job with the 2:1 list bunch but it wouldn't be on there grad scheme. If you're not prepared to jump through the hoops for any of them then you're screwed. Try and find a wee local accounting firm that'll fund your training, but it'll take longer to climb the ladder.[/QUOTE] The moneys crap with them Id have to take a wage cut so they can jump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 So you want a well paid job, with training etc. but you don't want to go through a rigorous application process. Do you not think everyone wants that, hence the feckin' drawn out and admittedly frustrating hiring system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 So you want a well paid job, with training etc. but you don't want to go through a rigorous application process. Do you not think everyone wants that, hence the feckin' drawn out and admittedly frustrating hiring system? Spot on IMO. There is a reason it is annoying and a hassle. To weed out those who cant be bothered with putting in the extra effort. I think BFE looks like falling into that category !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 26, 2008 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 Spot on IMO. There is a reason it is annoying and a hassle. To weed out those who cant be bothered with putting in the extra effort. I think BFE looks like falling into that category !! Im all for reasonable ones but expecting people to fill out stupid psychometric tests for every role is pointless and a waste of time and pretty unreasonable at times when students have finals and other commitments Likewise expecting them to travel to liverpool for a job in scotland when they have exams The whole system is completely pointless Im happy to fill out big forms, do relevent tests, attend an interview were the job is etc Its also imo biased towards english students Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercrutch Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Im all for reasonable ones but expecting people to fill out stupid psychometric tests for every role is pointless and a waste of time and pretty unreasonable at times when students have finals and other commitments Likewise expecting them to travel to liverpool for a job in scotland when they have exams The whole system is completely pointless Im happy to fill out big forms, do relevent tests, attend an interview were the job is etc Its also imo biased towards english students I agree that most of it is 'pointless'. But that, IMO, is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaby Ewing Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Why not wait until you've finished your exams then? Seriously, I wouldn't hire you if you come across anything like this in real life. The whole world isn't against you. It's not geared towards English students - beyond the fact more head offices (and a much larger chunk of the population is based down there) so it makes sense for the majority. Frankly, if you're studying so hard that you can't make the time to go through the process... then why the feck are you getting a 2:2? A Desmond is a gentleman's degree - it's not for library bound geeks without a spare minute in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawrrrrrrr Posted January 26, 2008 Author Share Posted January 26, 2008 Why not wait until you've finished your exams then? Seriously, I wouldn't hire you if you come across anything like this in real life. The whole world isn't against you. It's not geared towards English students - beyond the fact more head offices (and a much larger chunk of the population is based down there) so it makes sense for the majority. Frankly, if you're studying so hard that you can't make the time to go through the process... then why the feck are you getting a 2:2? A Desmond is a gentleman's degree - it's not for library bound geeks without a spare minute in the day. Ive already graduated with a 2:2 Im pretty happy with it considering the major problems which screwed up my final year I couldnt get a graduate job for last summer as I was ill and got a job to tide me over and I am now looking for something Im in a bit of a catch 22 situation though as my current salary is better than a lot of the entry graduate jobs I just fail to see the point of a lot of the processes I just spent 2 hours on one and im not even nearly finished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 A Desmond is a gentleman's degree - it's not for library bound geeks without a spare minute in the day. I must admit that the above statement has made me laugh. Oh the irony... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 If you want to be the best gotta jump thru hoops.... hows work not the most important thing to think about, you dono what you've got. If the jobs good enuff you would travel to assessment centres... you stupid. According to Roy Castle, dedication's all you need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Kidd Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Desmond's are the slackers choice of degree. Mine was ruined by The Shamen and the Happy Mondays. As for the man who invented MDMA. I salute you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brellierlegend Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Ive already graduated with a 2:2 Im pretty happy with it considering the major problems which screwed up my final year I couldnt get a graduate job for last summer as I was ill and got a job to tide me over and I am now looking for something Im in a bit of a catch 22 situation though as my current salary is better than a lot of the entry graduate jobs I just fail to see the point of a lot of the processes I just spent 2 hours on one and im not even nearly finished Thats life! Man up or stay in your current position. Thats your choice. Sometimes you have to do things you do not like. Potential employers are not going to be to keen on you if you cannot even be bothered to go through the application process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Desmond's are the slackers choice of degree. Mine was ruined by The Shamen and the Happy Mondays. As for the man who invented MDMA. I salute you. hehehehe Job's a good 'un Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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