Perth to Paisley Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Hugely surprised 🙃 there wasn't front page headlines today in all the papers lambasting Rangers fans for trying to scam their way into Tynecastle. We have suspected as much for years, but the BBC docu provided the evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Its well known the glasgow tramps do this. Hearts should set up stricter access for them, but no we just let them do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jamie Walker Tash said: Its well known the glasgow tramps do this. Hearts should set up stricter access for them, but no we just let them do it. We don't just let them do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Dallas Green said: We don't just let them do it. So why do they continuously keep doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Dallas Green said: We don't just let them do it. But we know it happens every game they play here, and do nothing to stop it i hope we limit the great unwashed to one section from next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jamie Walker Tash said: So why do they continuously keep doing it? Are you seriously having a go at our club for something they tramps do? It isn't something that we are doing that is making them scam their fellow fans. They are scummy runts who don't care about their own support and doing folk out of their own money. As shown, they keep an eye on the cctv and deal with it when they can. TBH, we still get the money from it, so if they want to scam their own fans, let them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dallas Green said: Are you seriously having a go at our club for something they tramps do? It isn't something that we are doing that is making them scam their fellow fans. They are scummy runts who don't care about their own support and doing folk out of their own money. As shown, they keep an eye on the cctv and deal with it when they can. TBH, we still get the money from it, so if they want to scam their own fans, let them. Im not having a go at the club but its been clear for years they do this yet not extra measures to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jamie Walker Tash said: Im not having a go at the club but its been clear for years they do this yet not extra measures to stop it. I'm not sure there are many extra measures you can do to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Dallas Green said: I'm not sure there are many extra measures you can do to stop it. It seems that barcodes can be scanned more than once. The security guy in the docu last night told his guys to watch out for tickets being tossed back over the wall for re-use. If the same bar code can indeed be scanned twice then that's extremely poor and needs to be stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, SwindonJambo said: It seems that barcodes can be scanned more than once. The security guy in the docu last night told his guys to watch out for tickets being tossed back over the wall for re-use. If the same bar code can indeed be scanned twice then that's extremely poor and needs to be stopped. I was under the impression that the turnstiles stopped working but that could be when the max number allowed in happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, Dallas Green said: I was under the impression that the turnstiles stopped working but that could be when the max number allowed in happens. I'm fairly sure there have been cases of Rantic fans with genuine valid tickets being denied entry due to the scummy behaviour of their fellow fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His name is Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I thought we addressed the issue of barcodes allowing multiple access? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Green Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Just now, SwindonJambo said: I'm fairly sure there have been cases of Rantic fans with genuine valid tickets being denied entry due to the scummy behaviour of their fellow fans. Yeah, sure there was an article in the EEN about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 So it's not a story about the ones wearing referee kits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Do other clubs using the barcode scan system have this problem? (Certainly Hibs have a similar barcode turnstile). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 You think fans of a club that had a terrible disaster in their history would have a bit more sense and decorum about them in this situation and not allow fellow fans to over fill a stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesy1874 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I've got a couple of Celtic supporting mates and they do this almost every game at Tynecastle. Sometimes they get caught and other times they are successful. Nothing happens to them apart from being refused entry and a wee don't do it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niemi’s gloves Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 58 minutes ago, Dallas Green said: Are you seriously having a go at our club for something they tramps do? It isn't something that we are doing that is making them scam their fellow fans. They are scummy runts who don't care about their own support and doing folk out of their own money. As shown, they keep an eye on the cctv and deal with it when they can. TBH, we still get the money from it, so if they want to scam their own fans, let them. But do we get the money? I’d guess that we have to refund the money to anyone with a valid ticket that has not been scanned if the problem is that the ground is full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japan Jambo Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 30 minutes ago, Boof said: So it's not a story about the ones wearing referee kits? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 47 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: It seems that barcodes can be scanned more than once. The security guy in the docu last night told his guys to watch out for tickets being tossed back over the wall for re-use. If the same bar code can indeed be scanned twice then that's extremely poor and needs to be stopped. @been here before is just going to love that one. docu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) My view was that this was a case of the same tickets in essence being used twice to gain access, or a bar code being altered to gain access Either way, they talked about gangway congestion which means the end result of the first paragraph is having too many fans in a stand You can bet your bottom dollar that if there was a stadium incident causing injuries or worse, we’d be the ones that were absolutely crucified both in the media, by the authorities and potentially by the courts. If this is still a problem it needs sorted. If that means turnstile counting as the crooked *******s come through the turnstile, so be it. If that means lengthy queues and delays, and some of them losing out, so be it They can reap what they sow. Edited November 10, 2020 by Dagger Is Back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDJ87 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 51 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: It seems that barcodes can be scanned more than once. The security guy in the docu last night told his guys to watch out for tickets being tossed back over the wall for re-use. If the same bar code can indeed be scanned twice then that's extremely poor and needs to be stopped. Easy way to stop it is to put a tear in the ticket or a punch hole (like they do on the trams) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romulus Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 First thing we should do when we go back up, is reduce the allocation of both Glasgow teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) Scan the barcode on the ticket and simply draw a line through it with a black Sharpie marker. Done. Now the barcode could still be read by the scanner but if the person on the gate sees a ticket with a marked barcode they should be told to GTF! how long does it take to scan and swipe a pen? Edited November 10, 2020 by Pans Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, WDJ87 said: Easy way to stop it is to put a tear in the ticket or a punch hole (like they do on the trams) Crikey, Some of the best ideas are the simplest. I can only imagine this must have been absolutely rife I'm the terracing days when people didn't have to fill a defined spot in the form of a numbered seat. No barcodes or anything back then either. I was at some games v the OF in the late 80s when I thought the Gorgie Road end looked a bit full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underwaterwoodwelder Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, SwindonJambo said: It seems that barcodes can be scanned more than once. The security guy in the docu last night told his guys to watch out for tickets being tossed back over the wall for re-use. If the same bar code can indeed be scanned twice then that's extremely poor and needs to be stopped. You can’t scan ticket twice. Trust me it doesn’t work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) What was also disturbing about the Security guy's comments about standing in the gangways was his passive acceptance of it as if it's a regular occurrence when if some of good suggestions posted on this thread were put into practice, it would probably stop. Edited November 10, 2020 by SwindonJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDJ87 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: Crikey, Some of the best ideas are the simplest. I can only imagine this must have been absolutely rife I'm the terracing days when people didn't have to fill a defined spot in the form of a numbered seat. No barcodes or anything back then either. I was at some games v the OF in the late 80s when I thought the Gorgie Road end looked a bit full. Wouldn't know personally, I am of the pampered generation and only ever been to all seaters. When you were visiting these late 80s games I was still wet behind the ears 😊 cannot say I'm jealous, some stories my dad has told me about the terraces 🤯 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
been here before Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, Morgan said: @been here before is just going to love that one. docu Aye thats grim, docu. Docco might have been worse though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajones Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Scaffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 1 hour ago, jbee647 said: But we know it happens every game they play here, and do nothing to stop it i hope we limit the great unwashed to one section from next season This needs to be the way going forward. One section only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwindonJambo Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 21 minutes ago, Dagger Is Back said: My view was that this was a case of the same tickets in essence being used twice to gain access, or a bar code being altered to gain access Either way, they talked about gangway congestion which means the end result of the first paragraph is having too many fans in a stand You can bet your bottom dollar that if there was a stadium incident causing injuries or worse, we’d be the ones that were absolutely crucified both in the media, by the authorities and potentially by the courts. If this is still a problem it needs sorted. If that means turnstile counting as the crooked *******s come through the turnstile, so be it. If that means lengthy queues and delays, and some of them losing out, so be it They can reap what they sow. Alternatively, we can do this for every errant scaffy OFer. A bit harsh, but it would soon put a stop to it 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, SwindonJambo said: Alternatively, we can do this for every errant scaffy OFer. A bit harsh, but it would soon put a stop to it 👍 🤣🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hectormasson Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 47 minutes ago, Mort said: First thing we should do when we go back up, is reduce the allocation of both Glasgow teams. 1100 at very most..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC01 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 52 minutes ago, WDJ87 said: Easy way to stop it is to put a tear in the ticket or a punch hole (like they do on the trams) 😀 Or eat it! Like the cookie monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 (edited) For a failed attempt at trying to sort this issue out, look at the turnstiles in the away end at Easter Road. Every single ****ing game, the turnstiles are jammed with people who scan their ticket, but the gates don't open correctly, usually due to incorrect scanning or people trying to do it too quickly. Your Barcode/QR code is then used up, and it won't scan again, but you're not through the gates. You then have to find a steward, somewhere at the back of the queue you've just stood in for 15 minutes to reset it and try again. I've done it myself at least 3 times, and missed kick off every single time. The codes should have a 60 second window where they can be used, and after that they're blocked. That would stop them being reused, but also allow people through with their own ticket. Edited November 10, 2020 by tian447 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Turnstile operator could put a sharpie through it or tear it so it’s clear it’s been used ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylor75 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 2 hours ago, SwindonJambo said: What was also disturbing about the Security guy's comments about standing in the gangways was his passive acceptance of it as if it's a regular occurrence when if some of good suggestions posted on this thread were put into practice, it would probably stop. Security guy should be sacked if he thinks that's acceptance...any fans get hurt or crushed he has just incriminated himself...ps more worried about a flag.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor FinnBarr Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Put both arses back into their boxes as far as Tynie goes and offer only one section of the Roseburn to them. as far as ticket scamming goes, nae seat, oot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 IIRC a few Celtic fans got locked out who had valid tickets because in one way or another their tickets had been photocopied or downloaded and copied and access was gained by someone else. The proper ticket holder couldn't get in because once the turnstyles recorded the Roseburn as full, no-one else could get in. As a result we ended up sending Celtic a refund to re-imburse the correct holders. We then apparently put measures in place to fix. Last night didn't really identify if the 'gangway' problem was due to too many folk being in, or similar to us, Rangers has a number of away fans who decide that they just do as they please, go to whatever seat they want and stuff their fellow supporters, who end up in gang ways or trying to find a spare seat somewhere. It was worrying to an extent that if a solution has been implemented post Celtic, whether it is working or if it is still a problem. Unfortunately, as ever there probably are solutions (proper tickets, no downloadable ones for away end, manned turnstyles with additional staff to rip, tear, sharpie bar codes or even queue the filthy gets in single file and tickets are pre checked long before the turnstyle) but as night follows day they will make our away fans experience at their ground even worse, with the press making it out as Hearts fault. As a PS and a documentary in to the challenges faced by a football club, I find this thing far more interesting than a whole chunk of at least one episode kicking the crap out of Levein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Der Kaiser Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Lets not look too harshly on Rangers fans scamming their way into Tynie. Even our toilets must look like the Ritz to them. Proper day out. "Malky....you tried this clear stuff in the taps.....barry man" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 26 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: IIRC a few Celtic fans got locked out who had valid tickets because in one way or another their tickets had been photocopied or downloaded and copied and access was gained by someone else. The proper ticket holder couldn't get in because once the turnstyles recorded the Roseburn as full, no-one else could get in. As a result we ended up sending Celtic a refund to re-imburse the correct holders. We then apparently put measures in place to fix. Last night didn't really identify if the 'gangway' problem was due to too many folk being in, or similar to us, Rangers has a number of away fans who decide that they just do as they please, go to whatever seat they want and stuff their fellow supporters, who end up in gang ways or trying to find a spare seat somewhere. It was worrying to an extent that if a solution has been implemented post Celtic, whether it is working or if it is still a problem. Unfortunately, as ever there probably are solutions (proper tickets, no downloadable ones for away end, manned turnstyles with additional staff to rip, tear, sharpie bar codes or even queue the filthy gets in single file and tickets are pre checked long before the turnstyle) but as night follows day they will make our away fans experience at their ground even worse, with the press making it out as Hearts fault. As a PS and a documentary in to the challenges faced by a football club, I find this thing far more interesting than a whole chunk of at least one episode kicking the crap out of Levein. Although there are flaws in the system it’s typical of Celtic and Rangers that they don’t look at themselves when seeking blame. If I couldn’t get into a game because someone else has copied a ticket then it would be Hearts fans I would be going after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 41 minutes ago, DETTY29 said: As a PS and a documentary in to the challenges faced by a football club, I find this thing far more interesting than a whole chunk of at least one episode kicking the crap out of Levein. On this point, that would definitely be interesting because it would call into question the policing of old firm away fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 10 hours ago, Jamie Walker Tash said: Im not having a go at the club but its been clear for years they do this yet not extra measures to stop it. Extra measures would cost our club money and as has been pointed out, we don't lose out financially by them doing it, they're only cheating their fellow knuckle draggers. So why should we care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: Extra measures would cost our club money and as has been pointed out, we don't lose out financially by them doing it, they're only cheating their fellow knuckle draggers. So why should we care. As someone has also pointed out, an incident with over crowding would see our club hung out to dry so yeah we should care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Treasurer Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Just now, Jamie Walker Tash said: As someone has also pointed out, an incident with over crowding would see our club hung out to dry so yeah we should care. Fair point but I think the finger should be pointed at the culprits and any proper investigation would show that it happens on a regular basis across the country with the same two sets of fans being the common denominator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Treasurer said: Fair point but I think the finger should be pointed at the culprits and any proper investigation would show that it happens on a regular basis across the country with the same two sets of fans being the common denominator Agreed,but we all know that would never happen. They are untouchable it appears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseyjambo Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Fairly sure last time at Fester there we got searched and had to show ticket to stewards/police line before you got into sterile area in front of turnstiles. I know for away fans at City and United the policy is the same Does anyone know if we do the same. That should stop anyone getting through without a ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 11 hours ago, Dallas Green said: I'm not sure there are many extra measures you can do to stop it. Surely in today’s day and age there is a way to set up a bar code or QE code that used once can’t be passed back or copied and used again? (not having a go at the club but the club is responsible for what happens in its own ground so should be looking at solutions to this) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 At least in general they behave. Celtic on the other hand. I remember their sections bordering on dangerous and that's before the catering and ballboy attacks etc not to mention the just all round vicious atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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