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56 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

Why not read the report before launching am attack on Corbyn's critics?

From what I have read in the news so far it seems to be pretty damning.

One actual example I recall was his defence of that mural caricaturing extremely offensively Jews (portrayed in classic Nazi propaganda style) playing monopoly on a board crushing.the backs of crouching naked people. Corbyn, in a typical Corbyn evasion made the excuse that he hadn't looked at it closely. Mmm.

He is at it again today backtracking from.his initial comment that anti-semitism within Labour was greatly exaggerated. 

Imagine the reaction if any.politician said other minorities complaints were greatly exaggerated!

 

 

 

Have a look at it closely.

Undoubtedly there's a stereotypical jew (hooked nose counting money) but the other blokes look like old white bankers .

The most striking image is the freemasonry symbol (which also appears on the US dollar bill) so rather than being immediately and overtly anti-semitic, looks to be saying something about secret societies, money, class, race & power.

 

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1 hour ago, The Natural Order said:

Celtic levels of love for the IRA as well. Hope he gets what he deserves. Scum.

 

Let's be honest there isn't an enemy of Britain who Corbyn is not a friend of. 

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13 minutes ago, felix said:

 

Have a look at it closely.

Undoubtedly there's a stereotypical jew (hooked nose counting money) but the other blokes look like old white bankers .

The most striking image is the freemasonry symbol (which also appears on the US dollar bill) so rather than being immediately and overtly anti-semitic, looks to be saying something about secret societies, money, class, race & power.

 

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So it was the Masons he was meaning when he said "they don't understand irony" and not Jews?

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2 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

So it was the Masons he was meaning when he said "they don't understand irony" and not Jews?

It was Zionists he was referring in lacking in irony - not jews. 

There's a big  difference.

Any evidence of him being an anti semite yet ?

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1 minute ago, felix said:

It was Zionists he was referring in lacking in irony - not jews. 

There's a big  difference.

Any evidence of him being an anti semite yet ?

Behave youself!! 

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2 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

https://twitter.com/shaunjlawson/status/1321868642766725120?s=21

 

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The world on tenterhooks waiting for his hot take


please copy and paste for any of us who have criticised said person and been blocked on the old twatter....or is it by....

 

This thread took a crap turn after a fun beginning too 😞

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31 minutes ago, felix said:

It was Zionists he was referring in lacking in irony - not jews. 

There's a big  difference.

Any evidence of him being an anti semite yet ?

Ah yes, you can’t beat the old ‘anti-Zionist not anti-Jewish’ routine.

That Jewish Labour MP who had to have a police escort to the party conference must have been a nailed on Zionist.

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3 minutes ago, weehammy said:

Ah yes, you can’t beat the old ‘anti-Zionist not anti-Jewish’ routine.

That Jewish Labour MP who had to have a police escort to the party conference must have been a nailed on Zionist.

Exactly. 

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3 hours ago, Tynieman said:

 

So again, no actual evidence.

 

Many people unfortunately have agenda’s which may not be of good intention.

 

All I ask is one, just one, example of any (and I mean any) of such behaviour from Corbyn?

 

For what it’s worth, yes, In my opinion complainers who have left due to anti-Jewish behaviour claims, many are probably supporters of Israel and have trouble separating both.

 

Evidence is absolutely a must when you tarnish a man, who has, in my view done more to fight against ANY bigotry, with such a brush.

I get where you're coming from and this is more or less my question - what was he actually accused of and by whom?

 

However, if Jewish members were resigning in numbers claiming anti-semitism, why didn't he take steps to get to the root of the problem? You talk about the stances he's taken on anti-bigotry but is that just when it suits him?

 

I've not looked terribly closely but I've seen nothing that confirms to me that he is anti-semitic. Doesn't stop him from having been a dangerously limp squirt* who's done huge damage to the Labour party and, as a result, to this country.

 

* - how he was described to me by an acquaintance who was at school with him; the most unpopular boy in his year (and a couple of years either side).

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2 minutes ago, I P Knightley said:

140 characters. Seriously?

 

Or is it 280 now? (Not a massive Twitter fan, as you might be able to tell.)


Liarson does threads of tweets, usually about 50 back to back. He’s not self indulgent in the slightest 

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35 minutes ago, weehammy said:

Ah yes, you can’t beat the old ‘anti-Zionist not anti-Jewish’ routine.

That Jewish Labour MP who had to have a police escort to the party conference must have been a nailed on Zionist.

Not really. The Zionist referrece is relevant  to the "don't understand irony" speech Dawnrazor referred (and contextual, if you know the speech).

Even if it was aimed at all Jews, accusing a race of an irony deficiency, isn't anti semitic, as far as I understand .

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1 hour ago, felix said:

 

Have a look at it closely.

Undoubtedly there's a stereotypical jew (hooked nose counting money) but the other blokes look like old white bankers .

The most striking image is the freemasonry symbol (which also appears on the US dollar bill) so rather than being immediately and overtly anti-semitic, looks to be saying something about secret societies, money, class, race & power.

 

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And a stereotypical jew with a hooked nose counting money. Struck.me but not Corbyn apparently.

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1 hour ago, Dawnrazor said:

Behave youself!! 

Funny how that 2013  - the Zionist "don't understand irony" speech  was inoffesive, until 5 yrs later - just 4 months before the 2018 general election. :biggrin2: 

 

2 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

And a stereotypical jew with a hooked nose counting money. Struck.me but not Corbyn apparently.

 

Guess it depends on what you're looking to be offended by.

Initial impact for me was the all-seeing eye and coloured bodies being crushed under a table of money -  divvied up by white men in suits. 

Didn't take offence, just thought the artist was trying to make a statement on class/race.

Just shows how you can miss anti semitism in everyday life. 

 

 

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Just now, felix said:

Funny how that 2013  - the Zionist "don't understand irony" speech  was inoffesive, until 5 yrs later - just 4 months before the 2018 general election. :biggrin2: 

 

 

 

 

 

I think you'll find it was as offensive in 2013 as it is today to the Jewish people, what a ridiculous thing say.

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Dawnrazor
4 minutes ago, felix said:

 

Initial impact for me was the all-seeing eye and coloured bodies being crushed under a table of money -  divvied up by white men in suits. 

 

 

 

 

You're right, no sign of Jews in this.

You're at it!!

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4 hours ago, Tynieman said:

 

One word. Israel.

 

Legitimate criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitic at all. 

 

Most Zionists are not Jewish. Most Jewish are not Zionists.

 

Again, it’s fair to ask - one actual example?

Inviting Gerry Adams to the Commons several days after the Brighton bombing in 84 shows what a despicable character he is.

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3 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

😆 at least she isn't Jewish so he'd have no problems with her.

Oi vey!    :jj_facepalm:

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4 minutes ago, Enzo Chiefo said:

Inviting Gerry Adams to the Commons several days after the Brighton bombing in 84 shows what a despicable character he is.


The old “I’m backing the IRA but I denounce all violence” patter.

 

Same as “I abhor anti-semitism but hey look, I’m letting it run riot in the Labour Party.”

 

He’s pure scum and it’s very pleasing to see him getting battered like this.

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Pans Jambo
4 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

But many Jews are!!!! Are you ****ing thick?

Just asking but what exactly did the Jewish members of the Labour party accuse him of doing/saying that led them to beleive he is anti-semitic. I ask as I have no idea.

 

I admit when I first heard about this I thought it was a stitch up by the tories as there was never any direct quotes from Jewish Labour members at the time. Todays events makes me even more suspicious.

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24 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

You're right, no sign of Jews in this.

You're at it!!

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:lol:

 

What a prick Corbyn is

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Just now, Pans Jambo said:

Just asking but what exactly did the Jewish members of the Labour party accuse him of doing/saying that led them to beleive he is anti-semitic. I as as I have no idea.

 

I admit when I first heard about this I thought it was a stitch up by the tories as there was never any direct quotes from Jewish Labour members at the time. Todays events makes me even more suspicious.

Allowed the antisemitic bullying of Jews in the party to go unchallenged, Luciana Berger was on the news a few times today recounting whet she, and others had to go through, that and antisemitic comments made by Corbyn.

It the fact that Jewish members have felt threatened, victimised and bullied to the point that Jewish Labour MP's needed security guards to attend the Labour Party Conference and that some then left the party because of antisemitism and then the result of the review found heavily againt the Party and still people are not convinced of it I find staggering. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Dawnrazor said:

Allowed the antisemitic bullying of Jews in the party to go unchallenged, Luciana Berger was on the news a few times today recounting whet she, and others had to go through, that and antisemitic comments made by Corbyn.

It the fact that Jewish members have felt threatened, victimised and bullied to the point that Jewish Labour MP's needed security guards to attend the Labour Party Conference and that some then left the party because of antisemitism and then the result of the review found heavily againt the Party and still people are not convinced of it I find staggering. 

 

Other than what I have seen on the news I have not raelly paid much attention to it. I’m not a Corbyn fan. He wanted independence for all countries except Scotland it seemed so feck im!

 

If what you say is true then fair enough. My sceptical mind heard yhe news today and thought he was being made a scapegoat to make Sir Keir look like billy big bawz but hey ho. Let them burn!

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Shame for the doddery old Marxist. If only he didn’t need all the Muslim votes in London allied with his Israeli-hating, terrorist-loving pals. Bigger shame is the old ***** saddled the country with Johnson as PM but at least he can blame the MSM for it all and continue to take zero responsibility. 

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Dawnrazor
Just now, Pans Jambo said:

Other than what I have seen on the news I have not raelly paid much attention to it. I’m not. Corbyn fan. He wanted independence for all countries except Scotland it seemed so feck im!

 

If what you say is true then fair enough. My sceptical mind heard yhe news today and thought he was being made a scapegoat to make Sir Keir look like billy big bawz but hey ho. Let them burn!

I think Starmer needed to jump on him for two reasons, one for the reason you said, he needed to be seen to take control of this and what better way to flex your muscles that to kick out the ex leader and stick it to the left of the party, and just to be seen to do the right thing, what he allowed to go on was horrendous. 

What get to me is that every ethnic group or religion gets to say what's offensive and racist execpt Jews, we've seen it on this thread tonight.

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1 minute ago, Dawnrazor said:

I think Starmer needed to jump on him for two reasons, one for the reason you said, he needed to be seen to take control of this and what better way to flex your muscles that to kick out the ex leader and stick it to the left of the party, and just to be seen to do the right thing, what he allowed to go on was horrendous. 

What get to me is that every ethnic group or religion gets to say what's offensive and racist execpt Jews, we've seen it on this thread tonight.

Personally, I cant stand all religion. I dont disprespect anyone to their face about it but I cant abide it. I think the world would be better if we just respected each other and the planet more.
That said, I never understood the Jew haters. 
I never understood why some of my mates hated Catholicism with such passion growing up (I dont recall any catholic person doing anything bad to me in the name of their god) and I dont get why folk adopt beliefs that treat women so badly or allow them to die on an operating table. 
It batshit. 
How bad were the Jewish members in the Labour party that warranted them being targeted? Why not the Protestants (Bloody proddys, always at that church on Sundays).

Weird behaviour.


 

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4 hours ago, Tynieman said:

 

So again, no actual evidence.

 

Many people unfortunately have agenda’s which may not be of good intention.

 

All I ask is one, just one, example of any (and I mean any) of such behaviour from Corbyn?

 

For what it’s worth, yes, In my opinion complainers who have left due to anti-Jewish behaviour claims, many are probably supporters of Israel and have trouble separating both.

 

Evidence is absolutely a must when you tarnish a man, who has, in my view done more to fight against ANY bigotry, with such a brush.

Supporting the creator of the anti-Semitic mural.  There’s one.  
 

I won’t post the image as it may cause offence but google it and have a look.  How any leader of a major UK Party is going anywhere near commenting on an artist who creates something like that is staggering.

 

Edit:  I really should have read whole thread as image is there for all to see.  Disgusting as is Corbyn and all those who defend him.  How many reports, claims, independent investigations does it take before people think  they may be something in this. 

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Francis Albert
27 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


:lol:

 

What a prick Corbyn is

And we actually have people defending Corbyn's defence of this image ... As someone said at the time straight out of the Nazi propaganda for the final solution.

But hey he didn't look too closely at it so that is OK.

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2 hours ago, sadj said:


please copy and paste for any of us who have criticised said person and been blocked on the old twatter....or is it by....

 

This thread took a crap turn after a fun beginning too 😞


He’s reading the full report before commenting. Currently on page 46 but keeps getting distracted by the noise coming from hungry customers at the chippy below his bedsit 👍🏻

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1 minute ago, Alex Kintner said:


He’s reading the full report before commenting. Currently on page 46 but keeps getting distracted by the noise coming from hungry customers at the chippy below his bedsit 👍🏻

Wacka wacka wacka!

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5 minutes ago, Francis Albert said:

And we actually have people defending Corbyn's defence of this image ... As someone said at the time straight out of the Nazi propaganda for the final solution.

But hey he didn't look too closely at it so that is OK.


I’d go as far as to say that Corbyn loves social inequality because without it, he’d have nothing in his life. He fuels division because he needs division. Deep down he must hate the idea of an even society 

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I’m not very clued up on the Corbyn antisemitism background other than what’s been in the headlines over the past few years, also the resignations of Labour MPs. However I found this interesting take on Mear One and the mural. Obviously conscious of the back ground of the paper but it gives a perspective from the Jewish side.

 

https://www.thejc.com/comment/opinion/not-sure-why-that-mural-is-antisemitic-let-me-explain-1.461503

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I P Knightley
3 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


Liarson does threads of tweets, usually about 50 back to back. He’s not self indulgent in the slightest 

I clicked a link to his Amazon bookywook. 

Have the good people of JKB been contributing to the reviews? 

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Whatever happened to the enquiry into islamophobia and every other phobia in the scum party. I remember quite clearly watching them all gleefully agree on national television  during the Scum party leader debate agreeing to have one. 

 

 

Corbyn is old news and is gone, Starmer is a chancer who allowed a certain few Scum party loyalists to get away with unspeakable acts. Why were you knighted again Keir? 

 

Oh and if Jews and Zionists can't be separated, areall Jews responsible for what is going on in the middle East and can all be blamed for Killing Jesus. 

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11 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:

https://twitter.com/shaunjlawson/status/1321868642766725120?s=21

 

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The world on tenterhooks waiting for his hot take


Should he not be away writing 100.000 word apologies to Rachael Riley and some other person after his character assanatiom attempt? 
 

It never fails to amaze me how many people can justify arsehole behaviour for the ‘cause’ 

 

It is also pretty amusing that people are claiming that the anti semitism claim are just a smear campaign. It’s not like that’s one of the issues the report upheld. Never investigated claims just brushed them off as smear campaigns,😂 

 

Also people wondering for examples try using ‘zio labour’ into google and take it from their or read the report.

 

I suppose unconscious bias is just that 🤷🏻‍♂️

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7 hours ago, I P Knightley said:

I clicked a link to his Amazon bookywook. 

Have the good people of JKB been contributing to the reviews? 


Wait, where’s this? :rofl:

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3 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


Wait, where’s this? :rofl:

Search his name on Amazon you'll find it

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21 minutes ago, milky_26 said:

Search his name on Amazon you'll find it


:lol:

 

That quote someone’s pulled out in a one star review:

 

”You must be thinking ‘how does someone in Uruguay know more about the UK than me?’”

 

What a cock :rofl:

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12 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

I think you'll find it was as offensive in 2013 as it is today to the Jewish people, what a ridiculous thing say.

 

I think you'll find no-one was offended in 2013...it was 4 months before the general election that the speech became offensive.

 

 

12 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

You're right, no sign of Jews in this.

You're at it!!

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Who said there's no sign of Jews in the mural ?

..or masons, or white middle class males...or non-whites...or non-Jews . According to the artist, it's about class !

 

Corbyn was querying it's removal on freedom of speech grounds ..he later recanted.

 

You know who the chief protagonist was ? The one who brought the whole episode to light .The MP who brought Corbyn's non-offensive Facebook post to public attention ? Lucianna Berger. The same MP who was happy to work under Milliband, but hated Corbyn, presumably for his pro Palestine stance. The MP who hired police protection at the  party conference. The Director of Labour's Friends of Israel, the anti-discrimination MP  who gained office on an all-woman shortlist, later leaving to join the Lib Dems after a motion of no confidence.

 

She no doubt suffered hideous anti semitic abuse online. But not from Corbyn, or any Labour MP I've read about.

 

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24 minutes ago, felix said:

 

I think you'll find no-one was offended in 2013...it was 4 months before the general election that the speech became offensive.

 

 

 

Who said there's no sign of Jews in the mural ?

..or masons, or white middle class males...or non-whites...or non-Jews . According to the artist, it's about class !

 

Corbyn was querying it's removal on freedom of speech grounds ..he later recanted.

 

You know who the chief protagonist was ? The one who brought the whole episode to light .The MP who brought Corbyn's non-offensive Facebook post to public attention ? Lucianna Berger. The same MP who was happy to work under Milliband, but hated Corbyn, presumably for his pro Palestine stance. The MP who hired police protection at the  party conference. The Director of Labour's Friends of Israel, the anti-discrimination MP  who gained office on an all-woman shortlist, later leaving to join the Lib Dems after a motion of no confidence.

 

She no doubt suffered hideous anti semitic abuse online. But not from Corbyn, or any Labour MP I've read about.

 


The fact that he equivocated over that mural says it all. At heart he is an anti-Semite. He might try to tell himself otherwise and he might show up in photos with Jewish people from time to time but he tolerates attitudes which can lead to discrimination and intimidation towards Jews. He knows what he’s doing.

 

In his life, he has never been anything other than a politician (and a wealthy one at that). He’s got no grasp on what normal people do or think and he’s infected by his own extreme biases. He lives in this world where everything is about protest and everything is a good-versus-bad battle. It’s glorified student politics and ultimately, he’s a bigoted lightweight who has been found out spectacularly.

 

The only people backing him are the weird cultists who’ve been around him for ages. Ordinary folk of most political persuasions can see him for what he is - in the same way that ordinary folk can see what an utter charlatan Boris Johnson is.

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Ron Burgundy

Apparently he wrote the Kazakhstan hit song "Throw the Jew down the well". 

Loves the IRA and banged shit for brains Abbot. He's a wrong 'un.

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13 hours ago, Dawnrazor said:

You're right, no sign of Jews in this.

You're at it!!

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There’s a clear line from this mural back to Nazi depictions of Jewish bankers, businessmen etc. The artist knew fine what he was doing. Here’s a quote from him:

 

“Some of the older white Jewish folk in the local community had an issue with me portraying their beloved #Rothschild or #Warburg etc as the demons they are...”

 

 

 

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I P Knightley
3 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


:lol:

 

That quote someone’s pulled out in a one star review:

 

”You must be thinking ‘how does someone in Uruguay know more about the UK than me?’”

 

What a cock :rofl:

Don't tell me you clicked on the "filter by one star reviews" options. 

 

Shocking :angel: :angelic:

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15 hours ago, Alex Kintner said:


He’s reading the full report before commenting. Currently on page 46 but keeps getting distracted by the noise coming from hungry customers at the chippy below his bedsit 👍🏻

Well played sir

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3 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said:


The fact that he equivocated over that mural says it all. At heart he is an anti-Semite

 

In his life, he has never been anything other than a politician (and a wealthy one at that). He’s got no grasp on what normal people do or think and he’s infected by his own extreme biases. He lives in this world where everything is about protest and everything is a good-versus-bad battle. It’s glorified student politics and ultimately, he’s a bigoted lightweight who has been found out spectacularly.

 

The only people backing him are the weird cultists who’ve been around him for ages. Ordinary folk of most political persuasions can see him for what he is - in the same way that ordinary folk can see what an utter charlatan Boris Johnson is.

 

He didn't equivocate - he was clear. He was responding to a Facebook picture asking why it was being taken down and saying the artist was in good company, with someone similar who'd had his work politically censored.

And if he's an anti semite - where's the evidence ?

Hint -  being pro Palestine  doesn't make you an anti semite - and there's nothing in the Human Rights Comission Report that identifies him as anything other than a poor leader of a party that has a couple of members who've broken the law in relation to social media comments.

 

I've no time for Corbyn as a leader, or his political views, but labelling him anti semite is ill informed and poor. Imo at least.

 

 

2 hours ago, leginten said:


There’s a clear line from this mural back to Nazi depictions of Jewish bankers, businessmen etc. The artist knew fine what he was doing. Here’s a quote from him:

“Some of the older white Jewish folk in the local community had an issue with me portraying their beloved #Rothschild or #Warburg etc as the demons they are...”

 

Indeed. He also explained what the mural's about.   

There's certainly more non-jews around that table than Rothschilds, but you can't portray Jewish people in that way.

If one, maybe two of these characters had been drawn slightly differently - the mural would have been ok.

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The guy is scum, he even laid a wreath in Tunisia at an event which was honouring the terrorists who committed the Munich Olympics massacre. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, cheetah said:

The guy is scum, he even laid a wreath in Tunisia at an event which was honouring the terrorists who committed the Munich Olympics massacre. 

 

 


It’s his standard MO - “I’m promoting peace by supporting groups who kill loads of people.”

 

Vermin.

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On 30/10/2020 at 15:31, cheetah said:

The guy is scum, he even laid a wreath in Tunisia at an event which was honouring the terrorists who committed the Munich Olympics massacre. 

 

 

 

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