JFK-1 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Deep fake or what's more accurately called synthetic media is going to become a massive problem very soon. Already started but will become ever more common and even more sophisticated. Even just last year in 2019 Hollywood was incapable of creating totally convincing artificial human faces on film. Just this year alone software and I mean free software has become available to anybody that is indeed capable of creating totally convincing artificial human faces. Or recreating existing human faces and making them do or say anything the creator wants them to. Have a look at the following link. What you will see is a face that does not exist. It's entirely artificially created. If you refresh the link you will see another. Refreshing again over and over displays yet another human face that does not exist. https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/ This software can be used not just for still pictures but video too and will look perfectly convincing. There are also versions of it that can create, or recreate, totally convincing human voices. It's already been used to take samples of the voices of dead celebrities then make that voice say absolutely anything you want it to say. Totally convincingly. My thoughts on it are this is going to result in what you might term a nuclear explosion of disinformation possibilities. Slander, extreme mental distress for targets of it. The scope for mayhem is infinite. It could even create explosive international incidents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Internet Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 It's massively concerning. We've obviously been able to do this with pictures for years now which has caused enough problems, video is a whole other ball game. Soon everything you see online should be treated as a lie, if it's not already. But it won't because people believe whatever they want now regardless of whether it's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemclaren Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: It's massively concerning. We've obviously been able to do this with pictures for years now which has caused enough problems, video is a whole other ball game. Soon everything you see online should be treated as a lie, if it's not already. But it won't because people believe whatever they want now regardless of whether it's true. That’s sort of always been the case but it’s a lot easier now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beni Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 hours ago, JFK-1 said: https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/ Quite impressive/worrying, although it still has some glitches, one of the images it generated for me certainly wouldn't be considered to look like a human. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Totally coincidentally I was listeneing to a podcast on exactly this subject this morning. The example they kick off with is Richard Nixon reading the speech that had been prepared in the event of the moon landing ending in the deaths of the astronauts. The speech had been prepared but was, obviously, never needed and Nixon hadn't pre-taped a version. The fake uses voice and video techniques to emulate it. https://www.bravenewplanet.org/episodes/deepfakes-and-the-future-truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Slog Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The missus has discovered it generates pussycats too, Ill never get my phone back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobboM Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Here is the Nixon deep fake. Speech from about 4 minutes in https://moondisaster.org/film Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 The Irishman Deep fake vs the film effects: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Ray Gin said: The Irishman Deep fake vs the film effects: I heard somebody had used the new software on 'The Irishman' and had done better than Hollywood with their vast experience and budgets did. Keep in mind 'The Irishman' was only released last year. That's how much this technology has advanced in just a year. And this was done by an amateur not a studio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 7 hours ago, davemclaren said: That’s sort of always been the case but it’s a lot easier now. Anybody can do it now to a high degree of perfection. And you can be guaranteed they will while there are wackos out there who will already believe anything no matter how far fetched. There are countless disturbing implications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Norm Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: Anybody can do it now to a high degree of perfection. And you can be guaranteed they will while there are wackos out there who will already believe anything no matter how far fetched. There are countless disturbing implications. The porn industry will be looking on very closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Normthebarman said: The porn industry will be looking on very closely. Unsurprisingly, porn is one of the main reasons this has taken off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Normthebarman said: The porn industry will be looking on very closely. No doubt. We're likely to see videos of various celebrities getting it on. It's going to open up a whole new legal field but that's not one of my major concerns about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Unsurprisingly, porn is one of the main reasons this has taken off. It's a dirty little (not so) secret that porn is a huge influence in a whole lot of things. Why VHS beat Betamax, why BluRay beat HD-DVD. It's an industry larger than Netflix and Hollywood. The industry will have lawyers poring over every statute to see if they can have Marilyn Monroe getting snaked by JFK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, JFK-1 said: I heard somebody had used the new software on 'The Irishman' and had done better than Hollywood with their vast experience and budgets did. Keep in mind 'The Irishman' was only released last year. That's how much this technology has advanced in just a year. And this was done by an amateur not a studio. To be fair for The Irishman they apparently deliberately wanted to change the look of De Niro so he didn't look exactly like his younger self. The deepfake looks much better though. Edited October 20, 2020 by Ray Gin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlimOzturk Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Normthebarman said: The porn industry will be looking on very closely. Well, I wouldn’t know a really good site which pretty much specialises in Celeb porn deep fakes. Nope, I wouldn’t dare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I'm assuming there's software that can analyse the footage and tell if it's genuine or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Normthebarman said: I'm assuming there's software that can analyse the footage and tell if it's genuine or not? That’s all very well but as the last few years have proved you can’t pull back from something once it’s implanted in the conspiracy dafties heads. People can say something once and then quietly admit it’s not true at a later date but by then the seed is planted firmly in reality to some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK-1 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tazio said: That’s all very well but as the last few years have proved you can’t pull back from something once it’s implanted in the conspiracy dafties heads. People can say something once and then quietly admit it’s not true at a later date but by then the seed is planted firmly in reality to some people. This is the thing. Look at how the crazies reacted to the "pizzgate" idiocy accusing the Clintons of running a paedophile ring from a pizza parlour. One crazy went to a pizza parlour and shot the place up looking for the kids. How much more crazy is such wackiness going to get if there were video of say Bill Clinton abusing kids? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Tazio said: That’s all very well but as the last few years have proved you can’t pull back from something once it’s implanted in the conspiracy dafties heads. People can say something once and then quietly admit it’s not true at a later date but by then the seed is planted firmly in reality to some people. World is riddled with stuff like this and there's no going back from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesie27 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Gin Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 South Park creators go deepfake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I P Knightley Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 20/10/2020 at 17:52, Mauricio Pinilla said: Unsurprisingly, porn is one of the main reasons this has taken off. On 20/10/2020 at 18:01, AlimOzturk said: Well, I wouldn’t know a really good site which pretty much specialises in Celeb porn deep fakes. Nope, I wouldn’t dare. If any of you has access to this technology, why don't you put together a video of me pumping Annabel Croft? Send it to me and I'll compare it to the real thing to see how lifelike it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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