Lfhearts Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 51 minutes ago, Finlay James said: Heard tonight that Irving has been offered a 5 years deal making him one of the top earners at the club. A spanner from the railways, hook line and sinker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Gold Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 54 minutes ago, Finlay James said: Heard tonight that Irving has been offered a 5 years deal making him one of the top earners at the club. I'll go out on a limb and say this isn't true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgoJambo Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 One of the worst threads I’ve ever read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Famous 1874 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Finlay James said: Heard tonight that Irving has been offered a 5 years deal making him one of the top earners at the club. Hope we have offered him a contract but surely not as one of the top earners. The guy is a real talent but shouldn’t be one of the top earners just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 hours ago, jbee647 said: Certainly not many, but I, like many others can see it being a problem going forwards. One thing for certain, at one time letting our best young talent run down there contracts would not have been an issue, seems to be the norm now... the only way you will get a return on your youth academy is having the best ones on long term contracts, if you can’t make a return on your young players, then there is no point in investing in it , to the sums Hearts contribute on a yearly basis. if these young players don’t want to sign long term deals then we definitely have a problem, the likes of Hibs and Aberdeen had no problem in persuading Nisbet, McGennis and McKenna into signing 5 year deals. In this day and age the club must back there judgement and have our best young talent on long term deals, we will never ever get a return on our best young talent if we don’t do this. If that’s not an option, then you have to question the long term viability of running the present youth academy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Can't compete with Hickey on 8k a week. Good luck to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 He's a quality player and I'd love it if he signed an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Rob Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Difficult to know what a club like us is supposed to do these days. Shorter contracts mean that when a young player starts coming good, their contract is already running down and we lose them for little or no money. Longer contracts may result in a player’s development stalling, and then we are left with a liability we either have to move on or keep paying for the remainder of their contract. We aren’t a big enough or rich enough club to put kids on decent money just to see whether they reach their potential or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbee647 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, jr ewing said: Can't compete with Hickey on 8k a week. Good luck to him. Absolutely no one is saying give him 8k a week FFS But we have to match what Hibs and Aberdeen are paying there best young players And if we are, and our young players still choose to run down there contracts , then we have bigger problems behind the scenes than any of us know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankblack Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I am happy to give guys like Irving an incentivised, target-driven contract where the rewards to him are potentially more than a wage increase on a new deal. We have been bitten on the arse too many times with players getting lucrative long term deals and neither delivering nor willing to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazo Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Central Belt 1874 said: The clubs in a bigger mess than I thought behind the scenes if this turns out to be true. Sake. Of course it isn’t true. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr ewing Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 7 hours ago, jbee647 said: Absolutely no one is saying give him 8k a week FFS But we have to match what Hibs and Aberdeen are paying there best young players And if we are, and our young players still choose to run down there contracts , then we have bigger problems behind the scenes than any of us know. We can't, of course not. Problem is others can and good young players will simply move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 A 5 year deal which would increase his wage progressively seems conceivable to me. Wouldn’t think he’d start off as top earner it’d be, this year you get X, next year in the premiership you're up to X+ then after you hit 50 appearances you’re up to X++ and if you play out your skin and we get Europe, you’re up to X+++ but at that point you’d be likely good enough for a team to want to buy you and then you’re on to the bigger bucks. Player and club - win win contracts. But the club needs to be protected from the risk of the player failing otherwise we end up with Damour situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAl Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Doc Rob said: Difficult to know what a club like us is supposed to do these days. Shorter contracts mean that when a young player starts coming good, their contract is already running down and we lose them for little or no money. Longer contracts may result in a player’s development stalling, and then we are left with a liability we either have to move on or keep paying for the remainder of their contract. We aren’t a big enough or rich enough club to put kids on decent money just to see whether they reach their potential or not. That's it in a nutshell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Belt 1874 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Dazo said: Of course it isn’t true. 😂 The state of the club the last three or four years, I am no longer surprised by anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upgotheheads Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 11 hours ago, Hungry hippo said: He's a quality player and I'd love it if he signed an extension. I've seen enough of Irving to know that he's special enough to be one of our top earners. I have no idea what players like Halkett, Haring and Boyce are on but he should be earning as much as them at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan2012 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Irving Starts for the Scotland Under 21s this afternoon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Loblaw Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Well done. He'll be absolutely delighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ritchies75 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Game being shown live here https://www.sanmarinortv.sm/programmi/web-tv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Nathan2012 said: Irving Starts for the Scotland Under 21s this afternoon Great news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Watched for 15 he was playing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortyJambo Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 He's playing well, having an easy time in a game that's now 3-0 to Scotland with a couple minutes to half-time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Any updates? 5-0 now. Is he still on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortyJambo Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just been subbed off on 70 mins, just after Scotland made it 6-0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ped Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: Any updates? 5-0 now. Is he still on? 6-0 just subbed off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milky_26 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: Any updates? 5-0 now. Is he still on? still 5-0 and still on. we have subbe the keeper, a celtic player on loan at ross county for a rangers one on loan at partick thistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie1874 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) Looked at the team, playing in midfield with Turnbull who looks to have been subbed. Probably on Celtics say so. Irving still on. Edited October 13, 2020 by stevie1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 7-0 5 mins to go for the under 21's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Like the look of Hornby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Hope he keeps his place for the next game against Greece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfhearts Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: Hope he keeps his place for the next game against Greece. Was only San Marino but pace of game suited him perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortyJambo Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, Kiwidoug said: Hope he keeps his place for the next game against Greece. Home game against Croatia first, before finishing against Greece. The Croatia game is at Tynecastle on the 12th Nov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 18 hours ago, jbee647 said: Absolutely no one is saying give him 8k a week FFS But we have to match what Hibs and Aberdeen are paying there best young players And if we are, and our young players still choose to run down there contracts , then we have bigger problems behind the scenes than any of us know. How many young players have Hibs and Aberdeen taken of us? Are Aberdeen and hibs young players better than ours, if so who? Have hibs not shut their academy down? The problem isn't Aberdeen or hibs it's clubs that can offer multiple the times we can without any risk. The problem with the youth is the same with any contract. Tie them down, their not so good - we get stuck with them. Offer them shorter deals they can leave if they impress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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