Clerry Jambo Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) What a joke Barry Anderson @BarryAnderson_ Scottish Championship clubs have rejected the five substitutes rule for this season. They will stick to three. Prem, League 1 & League 2 teams agree to allow up to five subs. Betfred & Challenge Cup also five subs allowed. All play-off ties only three subs. Edited September 30, 2020 by Clerry Jambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Pure joke! League 1 and 2 accepted this new rule. This is against us solely as know we have a better squad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iantjambo Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Is there still time for Dundee to change their vote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Brown Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) It's no fair, Hearts of got loads of money and players. We're aw skint and cannae afford 5 subs. Edited September 30, 2020 by Tommy Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerry Jambo Posted September 30, 2020 Author Share Posted September 30, 2020 We really are a shambles when it comes to fitba in this country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deevers Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Sums up the way the game here is run. Shambles with the tail constantly wagging the dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
five wan Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) Rules should be consistent across all the spfl leagues, and not specific to just one league, there should have been a vote by all 42 clubs and not just by each league. why are there now different rules for different leagues and different competitions? You can’t make this up! corrupt to the core Edited September 30, 2020 by five wan Clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Another petty decision made to stop Hearts from getting an unintended advantage. I just expected it to be one rule for the whole of SPFL not each league deciding what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Appears for now it is being reported by journalists rather than calling it out for the joke it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Doesn’t matter much to me, predictable from these clubs. We will hammer them teams left right and center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kila Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 What’s the point in having the SFA and SPFL? Just a fragmented mess of self interest with no leadership. This pandemic has highlighted it more than ever before. As long as the suits get their salaries who gives a ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) We're the only league to have it right IMO. 5 subs is a joke. But to have it different across different competitions is nonsensical Edited September 30, 2020 by Poseidon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I think it works in our favour tbh, less chance for diddies to bring on fresh legs while we are making them work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGoodLaugh Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 I keep thinking the league setup in this country can't be any more embarrassing, and I keep being wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Nice one Tinpot gets a new piece of evidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
18Jambo_dave74 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Absolute tinpot. What next? When you play Hearts you can play 'any man in' or how about making Hearts players play with blindfolds? Absolutely no problem with Celtic and Rangers having every sporting advantage possible, but Hearts? Nah, we can't be having that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) And the Scottish Cup? Edited September 30, 2020 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Leagues 1 and 2 have voted to introduce the 5 subs rule, so the Championship is the only division in the SPFL where the maximum of 3 is in place. Clearly done to stop us getting an advantage, but I don't think we'll need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, fabienleclerq said: I think it works in our favour tbh, less chance for diddies to bring on fresh legs while we are making them work. Fresh legs are not much use when it’s a plumber you’re bringing on, it would be an advantage to Hearts as our fresh legs will be professional players. It’s a farce but if you allow clubs votes on this stuff, farce is what you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DC_92 said: Leagues 1 and 2 have voted to introduce the 5 subs rule, so the Championship is the only division in the SPFL where the maximum of 3 is in place. Clearly done to stop us getting an advantage, but I don't think we'll need it. 1 minute ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Fresh legs are not much use when it’s a plumber you’re bringing on, it would be an advantage to Hearts as our fresh legs will be professional players. It’s a farce but if you allow clubs votes on this stuff, farce is what you get. Overall its an advantage to Hearts. I think we'll be fine. Who needs subs anyway. Edited September 30, 2020 by Mikey1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyk Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 It just makes me want us to pummel every frigging club in the division even more No mercy, no letting up Destroy them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 According to the Sun it may not be vindictiveness against us but incompetence in the Championship. They said only 3 clubs in the Championship gave a response by the end of the 28 day deadline, as they require 8 teams to vote on it for the rule change to go through, the motion failed. Just incrediable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabienleclerq Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, A_A wehatethehibs said: Fresh legs are not much use when it’s a plumber you’re bringing on, it would be an advantage to Hearts as our fresh legs will be professional players. It’s a farce but if you allow clubs votes on this stuff, farce is what you get. Mind it's also a plumber who is starting the game against ft professionals, we will be attacking more often than not so it works in our favour. I'm sure the amount of subs was something rugby were looking at reducing to stop teams replacing tired defenders with fresh legs. Edited September 30, 2020 by fabienleclerq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newton51 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Dongcaster Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 From the prospective of bringing through youth this is a shame. Would have been nice for the young lads to have potential had more minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmiyaHearts Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, jamboinglasgow said: According to the Sun it may not be vindictiveness against us but incompetence in the Championship. They said only 3 clubs in the Championship gave a response by the end of the 28 day deadline, as they require 8 teams to vote on it for the rule change to go through, the motion failed. Just incrediable. Aye, seems that way to me. 3 subs is fine by me anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DETTY29 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, jamboinglasgow said: According to the Sun it may not be vindictiveness against us but incompetence in the Championship. They said only 3 clubs in the Championship gave a response by the end of the 28 day deadline, as they require 8 teams to vote on it for the rule change to go through, the motion failed. Just incrediable. Ah. The old I forgot to vote, which is a no, but I don't get called out for it muse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_A wehatethehibs Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, jamboinglasgow said: According to the Sun it may not be vindictiveness against us but incompetence in the Championship. They said only 3 clubs in the Championship gave a response by the end of the 28 day deadline, as they require 8 teams to vote on it for the rule change to go through, the motion failed. Just incrediable. points deduction for all clubs that failed to respond seems fair imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 (edited) reading the SPFL release it gets weirder. Only 3 Championship clubs voted for the change in Championship but 4 voted for change of rule in the play off. Acutally its not clear from the SPFL release if that only 3 clubs responded or just 3 responded postively to the motion. Edited September 30, 2020 by jamboinglasgow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, A_A wehatethehibs said: points deduction for all clubs that failed to respond seems fair imo We can remind them when they have problems in games. Or injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anything2 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Neil Dongcaster said: From the prospective of bringing through youth this is a shame. Would have been nice for the young lads to have potential had more minutes. And with our injury record it would have been good to ease the likes of Haring back in with the safety net of extra subs if required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
five wan Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 The more I think of this the more I think it actually suits us,. to have midfielders, wingers strikers running at part time players who are not as fit as us in the last 20-30 mins of a game they will end up just throwing out a leg to stop one of our players, yellow/red cards and penalties should be there. If they are allowed 5 subs a defender gets a yellow they can just sub him off, they haven’t thought this through. plays into our hands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Scottish football Tinpot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_92 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: According to the Sun it may not be vindictiveness against us but incompetence in the Championship. They said only 3 clubs in the Championship gave a response by the end of the 28 day deadline, as they require 8 teams to vote on it for the rule change to go through, the motion failed. Just incrediable. I think the Sun are just getting mixed up. The SPFL press release only tells us the number of "returns approving the change". https://spfl.co.uk/news/press-release-use-of-five-subs In the table they've called it "Number of returns actually received in favour, within the 28-day period ". They're reporting it this way rather than votes "for" and "against" for obvious reasons. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heart of Darkness Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Will not make any difference to how Hearts will trounce the teams we will play but it does look a bit iffy & pretty transparent that they are trying to hinder our demolition of the league!! Always Hearts!! ♥️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kidd’s Boots Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Has anyone checked the junk folder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Yet another example of the utter stupidity of those running most of our clubs and the SFA/SPFL in general. The sooner a lot of these clubs go to the wall the better and our game may, just may progress. This is where that cretin Doncaster's lack of leadership is shown up whereby the same rules should apply throughout all leagues. He should be imposing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavydavy Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 28 minutes ago, iantjambo said: Is there still time for Dundee to change their vote? Ask Lawell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
five wan Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Neil Dongcaster said: From the prospective of bringing through youth this is a shame. Would have been nice for the young lads to have potential had more minutes. This is something that I have been going on about for a few years, would like to see the number of subs increased to 5 but you have to start with let’s say 2 under 21 players and must have 2 under 21 players on at all times, then half way through a game you will not be able to take off a young player and replace him with an experienced player. fans will find it harder to criticise the young players or manager as their hands will be tied with having to always play young players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Daddy Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just now, David Black said: Yet another example of the utter stupidity of those running most of our clubs and the SFA/SPFL in general. The sooner a lot of these clubs go to the wall the better and our game may, just may progress. This is where that cretin Doncaster's lack of leadership is shown up whereby the same rules should apply throughout all leagues. He should be imposing that. Exactly! Why did this even make it to a vote?! Also, why didn't the 7 missing votes get a courtesy call from dungaster prior to the deadline? 🙄 What a joke Scottish football really is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Cant get worked up about this. 3,subs, 5 subs I couldnt give a toss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyCant Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Just another motivation to wipe the floor with this league. 3 subs is fine anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagger Is Back Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, jamboinglasgow said: According to the Sun it may not be vindictiveness against us but incompetence in the Championship. They said only 3 clubs in the Championship gave a response by the end of the 28 day deadline, as they require 8 teams to vote on it for the rule change to go through, the motion failed. Just incrediable. You mean there were no phone calls to chase missing votes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
five wan Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 5 subs will really suit rangers and celtic who have larger and better squads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glamorgan Jambo Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Utterly farcical as per usual. Interesting that a least one championship club actively wants 5 subs for play off games but only 3 subs for league games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyces beard Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Its mostly going to affect our youngsters who are knocking on the door of the 1st team. Cruising 3-0 with half an hour to go would be an ideal time to introduce a youngster who has shown up well in training or reserve matches. It will most likely result in a few more players going on loan to get the competitive minutes they need to kick on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andydog Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Personally, I think it should only be 3 subs. Clearly 5 subs gives yet another advantage to bigger clubs, in particular rangers and celtic. Most championship clubs will be running with very small squads this year so they'd get little benefit of the extra two subs and clearly ourselves and Dundee would, hardly surprising they voted against it. Not a great look for the spfl to have such inconsistency though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Do we really need to have a GK on the bench in this league. How often does a GK have to go off injured, very rarely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambonian Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Ach...when I started going Tynie in the early 80s, clubs only had two subs anyway. Then they made it three to include a goalie. It went to five and then seven. It can be an advantage, an example would maybe be if a club is holding out for a 1-1 draw against us they can't waste time making substitutions. The disadvantage though is for players like Haring. Hearts will need fully fit subs so reducing the chance of Haring getting say the last fifteen/twenty minutes to build his fitness level up. Also, the last time Neilson was in charge he was well known for making changes in the last few minutes to waste time and hold on to what we had, it'll stop him doing that. It cost us a lot of points with the amount of goals we lost late in games. It just means that we'll have to put out the strongest team we can on the day, not bringing the likes of Naismith for example on with twenty to go and making sure he points are in the bag early. I take it five are still allowed in Cup competitions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Dan Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Is it just me thinking Hearts are on the receiving end of every rule made up or official. https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hearts/ex-hearts-boss-craig-levein-says-he-was-once-told-youre-getting-nothing-today-scottish-referee-2986337?itm_source=parsely-api Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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