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Love this from the Peterborough Chief

Wonder how many times this tactic has worked for Septic, glad to see not everyone takes their sh*t 

 

"They came in with their fee, half of what Brentford paid, their pitch was ‘listen, we’ll just wait to January, and in January we will pre-sign him and you won’t get a pound note.

When you try and negotiate with me like that, all you do is f****** wind me up. I wasn’t born yesterday, I’ve been around the business a long time, that’s probably over £60m worth of transfers I’ve done since I bought Peterborough United.

For a lower league club, that’s unbelievable business, I know what the market is, I know it’s not a fast moving market, not a massive amount in fees.

But I also know the premium for a player like Ivan Toney should go for, trust me when I say, Brentford will either get promoted or sell him for £25-35m.

We’ll end up with another £3-4m, down the line, you can take that to the bank. That’s a guarantee in my opinion."

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Sometimes clubs' transfer strategy doesn't make sense. 

 

This has been going on for months. Brentford maybe always best placed. 

 

Celtic have missed out on a few players now for that extra £1 million or so. 

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16 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

Nice one, Barry

 

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I assumed I was reading a Barry Fry quote :lol:

Darragh McAnthony

Glad you cleared that up, couldn't figure out who Barry was or what the insult was 🤦‍♂️😂

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1 minute ago, WDJ87 said:

Glad you cleared that up, couldn't figure out who Barry was or what the insult was 🤦‍♂️😂

Barry Fry. Arthur Daley, Terry Venables and Harry Redknapp all rolled into one.

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Just to clarify he doesn't specify celtic as the club but it's highly likely it was them. Peterborough always get decent fees for their players, absurd if celtic thought they could act like that with them.

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13 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said:

Just to clarify he doesn't specify celtic as the club but it's highly likely it was them. Peterborough always get decent fees for their players, absurd if celtic thought they could act like that with them.

 

It was Celtic 

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The more people call them out for what they are and give them a swift kick in the baws the better. Utter filth that lot. And their bigot brothers. 
roon ye ya rat eating kiddy fiddlers (allegedly).

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Unfortunately, they (and other other half) have the clout to get away this shit in Scotland.

Derogatory offer rejected, ok we will wait and get him on pre-contract.

The players' head gets turned and throws the dummy.

 

Seen it all before as well know.

Shitehawks.

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2 minutes ago, Tommy Brown said:

Unfortunately, they (and other other half) have the clout to get away this shit in Scotland.

Derogatory offer rejected, ok we will wait and get him on pre-contract.

The players' head gets turned and throws the dummy.

 

Seen it all before as well know.

Shitehawks.

 

If they don't win the league, not getting this transfer done will be on the list of the main reasons. 

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8 minutes ago, manaliveits105 said:

Israel’s national team are sniggering 

GIRUY ceptic 

 

 

:D 

 

Honestly, don't get me started with those ***** and Israel. Its all Palastine flags and virtue signalling from the unwashed masses yet their never out of the Israeli market for players. I'm all for keeping politics out of football, but **** me. Those ***** cannot help themselves. Frankly, I couldn't care less where a player comes from. There was a North Korean boy kicking about Italy for a while who was looking shit hot, i'd have taken him in a heart beat but this constant need for them to push out the 'more than a club' nonsense is nauseating. 

 

I mean lets be real, they've commercialised Irishness, victimhood and are a literal PLC owned by billionaires. They are about as establishment as you can get. Their fans are just a bunch of manky biggoted glory hunting arseholes that wouldn't know their local team if it bit them on arse. Total waste of ****ing oxygen. 

 

Its incredible they'd try their bully boy tactics with Peterborough. Financially, they're only about a notch or two higher. Seems their Board are falling for their own hype too. What a scummy way to behave. A truly vile club and I hope that brings home to English chairmen just how much of a shitehouse club Celtic actually are. 

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29 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

 

:D 

 

Honestly, don't get me started with those ***** and Israel. Its all Palastine flags and virtue signalling from the unwashed masses yet their never out of the Israeli market for players. I'm all for keeping politics out of football, but **** me. Those ***** cannot help themselves. Frankly, I couldn't care less where a player comes from. There was a North Korean boy kicking about Italy for a while who was looking shit hot, i'd have taken him in a heart beat but this constant need for them to push out the 'more than a club' nonsense is nauseating. 

 

I mean lets be real, they've commercialised Irishness, victimhood and are a literal PLC owned by billionaires. They are about as establishment as you can get. Their fans are just a bunch of manky biggoted glory hunting arseholes that wouldn't know their local team if it bit them on arse. Total waste of ****ing oxygen. 

 

Its incredible they'd try their bully boy tactics with Peterborough. Financially, they're only about a notch or two higher. Seems their Board are falling for their own hype too. What a scummy way to behave. A truly vile club and I hope that brings home to English chairmen just how much of a shitehouse club Celtic actually are. 


Very well put.

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36 minutes ago, OTT said:

 

 

:D 

 

Honestly, don't get me started with those ***** and Israel. Its all Palastine flags and virtue signalling from the unwashed masses yet their never out of the Israeli market for players. I'm all for keeping politics out of football, but **** me. Those ***** cannot help themselves. Frankly, I couldn't care less where a player comes from. There was a North Korean boy kicking about Italy for a while who was looking shit hot, i'd have taken him in a heart beat but this constant need for them to push out the 'more than a club' nonsense is nauseating. 

 

I mean lets be real, they've commercialised Irishness, victimhood and are a literal PLC owned by billionaires. They are about as establishment as you can get. Their fans are just a bunch of manky biggoted glory hunting arseholes that wouldn't know their local team if it bit them on arse. Total waste of ****ing oxygen. 

 

Its incredible they'd try their bully boy tactics with Peterborough. Financially, they're only about a notch or two higher. Seems their Board are falling for their own hype too. What a scummy way to behave. A truly vile club and I hope that brings home to English chairmen just how much of a shitehouse club Celtic actually are. 

:spoton:

 

Bang on the money. Gonna have to find the article that the OP is quoting from

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Celtic get away with this in Scotland because noone will stand up to them. Rangers, prior to dying, used to get the BoS to do their dirty work for them. 

 

The new Rangers don't have the muscle to get away with what the real, dead Rangers did but would if they could, in a heartbeat. 

 

Both are utter filth. 

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There was a time during my lifetime when Celtic and rangers ranked among the top clubs in Britain, Arsenal etc.  Nowadays, they rank alongside the Wigans, Bournmouths, Watfords.

 

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3 hours ago, OTT said:

 

 

 

I mean lets be real, they've commercialised Irishness, victimhood and are a literal PLC owned by billionaires. They are about as establishment as you can get. 

 

 

 

You missed that they also currently run Scottish football, not even jointly with Rangers as is the norm, but on their own with their own man in charge at the SPFL.

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4 hours ago, Tommy Brown said:

Unfortunately, they (and other other half) have the clout to get away this shit in Scotland.

Derogatory offer rejected, ok we will wait and get him on pre-contract.

The players' head gets turned and throws the dummy.

 

Seen it all before as well know.

Shitehawks.


And in Scotland the MSM actually help them with this approach and pressure the club with the player concerned 

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3 hours ago, Weakened Offender said:

Celtic get away with this in Scotland because noone will stand up to them. Rangers, prior to dying, used to get the BoS to do their dirty work for them. 

 

The new Rangers don't have the muscle to get away with what the real, dead Rangers did but would if they could, in a heartbeat. 

 

Both are utter filth. 

I'll stand up to them!

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4 hours ago, Tommy Brown said:

Unfortunately, they (and other other half) have the clout to get away this shit in Scotland.

Derogatory offer rejected, ok we will wait and get him on pre-contract.

The players' head gets turned and throws the dummy.

 

Seen it all before as well know.

Shitehawks.


Yep. The most frustrating part is that they can’t lose. Either they get the player for a knockdown price, or they unsettle them to the point that their form tanks and they become less of a threat. Quite often they get both, fully supported by a media who will hound any club trying to deny the player their ‘dream move’ (read: trying to hold on to a contracted employee).

 

How many times have we missed out on fees for our best players because one of the Uglies tapped them up and they refused to sign a new contract as a result?

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10 hours ago, Doc Rob said:


Yep. The most frustrating part is that they can’t lose. Either they get the player for a knockdown price, or they unsettle them to the point that their form tanks and they become less of a threat. Quite often they get both, fully supported by a media who will hound any club trying to deny the player their ‘dream move’ (read: trying to hold on to a contracted employee).

 

How many times have we missed out on fees for our best players because one of the Uglies tapped them up and they refused to sign a new contract as a result?

It was rumoured, during Murray's time at Ibrox, that if Rangers made an unsuccessful, low, bid for a player from a club in Scotland, and that bid was rejected, a phone call, arranged by his mate at the bank to that club followed. The call would be to inform that club, if they had an overdraft, that the bank "suggested" that they take the money on offer from Rangers to reduce that overdraft. 

Most of the bigger Scottish clubs, including Celtic, had become heavily reliant on the banks due to trying to keep up with Rangers spending power. If the banks wanted the overdraft reduced, underselling good talent became obligatory.

All rumour, but there's little doubt that in a wee bubble like Scotland, with all the other shenanigans we've seen over the years, that all sorts of behind the scenes conversations would have been going on. 

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14 hours ago, OTT said:

 

 

:D 

 

Honestly, don't get me started with those ***** and Israel. Its all Palastine flags and virtue signalling from the unwashed masses yet their never out of the Israeli market for players. I'm all for keeping politics out of football, but **** me. Those ***** cannot help themselves. Frankly, I couldn't care less where a player comes from. There was a North Korean boy kicking about Italy for a while who was looking shit hot, i'd have taken him in a heart beat but this constant need for them to push out the 'more than a club' nonsense is nauseating. 

 

I mean lets be real, they've commercialised Irishness, victimhood and are a literal PLC owned by billionaires. They are about as establishment as you can get. Their fans are just a bunch of manky biggoted glory hunting arseholes that wouldn't know their local team if it bit them on arse. Total waste of ****ing oxygen. 

 

Its incredible they'd try their bully boy tactics with Peterborough. Financially, they're only about a notch or two higher. Seems their Board are falling for their own hype too. What a scummy way to behave. A truly vile club and I hope that brings home to English chairmen just how much of a shitehouse club Celtic actually are. 

 

Completely this.

 

Their political grandstanding is nauseating, remember seeing a Celtic fan with a big flag made up of flags from the disputed region of the week (Palestine, Basque, Republic of Ireland etc.) As you say they keep signing Israeli players, but the fans say its ok because they are Arab-Israeli. 

 

Then you have the way they are run as a business, they vastly underpay for players off other Scottish clubs, using the media to put pressure on clubs. They like to make themselves out as the club who is for the underdog but go out of their way to stop any competition in Scotland and chance that other clubs can have a fairer system. They talk about helping everyone but they dont even do a living wage. They remind me of Disney, they project a attractive image to the world (outside of Scotland and to people with no in depth knowledge of Scotland) but behind the facade they are a ruthless and soulless corporate machine

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Transfer fees have changed a bit. A year on contract is no longer the guarantee of a cheap deal. 

 

Celtic seem to be struggling a bit. Shane Duffy might be their level now. 

 

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I’ve just been on a stag do with 10 Celtic fans and it was pathetic. 10 boys, in their 30’s/40’s and not a bit of banter about any of them. Everything, EVERYTHING came back to Celtic. Every song. Every conversation. EVERYTHING. This is an example of the banter. We brought 164 bottles of Stella, 3 litres of vodka and 10 bottles of mad dog. The boy that went to the shops and bought it all, in his 40’s, sat up the night before we left and replaced every label on every bottle with stickers of “the broony” and “GB Ultras” stickers. 177 bottles, label peeled off and new sticker put on. Embarrassing. They thought this was the funniest thing that’s ever happened. There isn’t a fan base out there like them, melters to a man. I spoke to Adam, the boy that runs the old firm facts twitter page. He says Rangers/Hearts/Hibs fans etc if they vote will say “**** off” and then move on. Celtic fans send him details blogs about how he’s a mason and how they’ll expose him and ruin his career if he doesn’t stop making jokes about Neil Lennon. Tuned to the moon. 

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5 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

I’ve just been on a stag do with 10 Celtic fans and it was pathetic. 10 boys, in their 30’s/40’s and not a bit of banter about any of them. Everything, EVERYTHING came back to Celtic. Every song. Every conversation. EVERYTHING. This is an example of the banter. We brought 164 bottles of Stella, 3 litres of vodka and 10 bottles of mad dog. The boy that went to the shops and bought it all, in his 40’s, sat up the night before we left and replaced every label on every bottle with stickers of “the broony” and “GB Ultras” stickers. 177 bottles, label peeled off and new sticker put on. Embarrassing. They thought this was the funniest thing that’s ever happened. There isn’t a fan base out there like them, melters to a man. I spoke to Adam, the boy that runs the old firm facts twitter page. He says Rangers/Hearts/Hibs fans etc if they vote will say “**** off” and then move on. Celtic fans send him details blogs about how he’s a mason and how they’ll expose him and ruin his career if he doesn’t stop making jokes about Neil Lennon. Tuned to the moon. 

 

Sorry mate but i couldn't even share the same airspace with ***** like that. Whether I liked the groom or not I would have told them to go an lie in their own shite if I was offered that gig. 😀

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14 hours ago, Weakened Offender said:

Celtic get away with this in Scotland because noone will stand up to them. Rangers, prior to dying, used to get the BoS to do their dirty work for them. 

 

The new Rangers don't have the muscle to get away with what the real, dead Rangers did but would if they could, in a heartbeat. 

 

Both are utter filth

These are the key words.

FTOF.

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Just now, crunchy frog said:

 

Sorry mate but i couldn't even share the same airspace with ***** like that. Whether I liked the groom or not I would have told them to go an lie in their own shite if I was offered that gig. 😀

I lasted one night and left. It was honestly brutal mate. One guy was burst, like dead to the world lying on the couch with his beer still in his hand. Someone took the beer off his so it didn’t spill and he woke up for about twenty seconds to see what was going on, and to go “here we go 10 in a row” and fell back asleep.

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7 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

I lasted one night and left. It was honestly brutal mate. One guy was burst, like dead to the world lying on the couch with his beer still in his hand. Someone took the beer off his so it didn’t spill and he woke up for about twenty seconds to see what was going on, and to go “here we go 10 in a row” and fell back asleep.

Pathetic eh. Almost makes you want to root for the Huns to emerge victorious this "season"

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1 hour ago, SectionDJambo said:

It was rumoured, during Murray's time at Ibrox, that if Rangers made an unsuccessful, low, bid for a player from a club in Scotland, and that bid was rejected, a phone call, arranged by his mate at the bank to that club followed. The call would be to inform that club, if they had an overdraft, that the bank "suggested" that they take the money on offer from Rangers to reduce that overdraft. 

Most of the bigger Scottish clubs, including Celtic, had become heavily reliant on the banks due to trying to keep up with Rangers spending power. If the banks wanted the overdraft reduced, underselling good talent became obligatory.

All rumour, but there's little doubt that in a wee bubble like Scotland, with all the other shenanigans we've seen over the years, that all sorts of behind the scenes conversations would have been going on. 


What makes this ring true for me was that when Vlad arrived in town and had his bank take over our overdraft, it stopped. On the odd occasion that we did sell a player to a Glasgow club during his regime, we generally got a reasonable fee. We got decent money for Hartley, for instance, despite his contract running down. Nothing to threaten us with.

 

Now we don’t have an overdraft, but we have to live within our means and so we are financially vulnerable again.

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14 minutes ago, crunchy frog said:

Pathetic eh. Almost makes you want to root for the Huns to emerge victorious this "season"


Nah. The other lot are every bit as obnoxious, they just haven’t been as vocal about it recently since their club went bust and they haven’t been able to win a real trophy since, even against Hibs.

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42 minutes ago, busby1985 said:

I’ve just been on a stag do with 10 Celtic fans and it was pathetic. 10 boys, in their 30’s/40’s and not a bit of banter about any of them. Everything, EVERYTHING came back to Celtic. Every song. Every conversation. EVERYTHING. This is an example of the banter. We brought 164 bottles of Stella, 3 litres of vodka and 10 bottles of mad dog. The boy that went to the shops and bought it all, in his 40’s, sat up the night before we left and replaced every label on every bottle with stickers of “the broony” and “GB Ultras” stickers. 177 bottles, label peeled off and new sticker put on. Embarrassing. They thought this was the funniest thing that’s ever happened. There isn’t a fan base out there like them, melters to a man. I spoke to Adam, the boy that runs the old firm facts twitter page. He says Rangers/Hearts/Hibs fans etc if they vote will say “**** off” and then move on. Celtic fans send him details blogs about how he’s a mason and how they’ll expose him and ruin his career if he doesn’t stop making jokes about Neil Lennon. Tuned to the moon. 

Why?

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4 hours ago, SectionDJambo said:

It was rumoured, during Murray's time at Ibrox, that if Rangers made an unsuccessful, low, bid for a player from a club in Scotland, and that bid was rejected, a phone call, arranged by his mate at the bank to that club followed. The call would be to inform that club, if they had an overdraft, that the bank "suggested" that they take the money on offer from Rangers to reduce that overdraft. 

Most of the bigger Scottish clubs, including Celtic, had become heavily reliant on the banks due to trying to keep up with Rangers spending power. If the banks wanted the overdraft reduced, underselling good talent became obligatory.

All rumour, but there's little doubt that in a wee bubble like Scotland, with all the other shenanigans we've seen over the years, that all sorts of behind the scenes conversations would have been going on. 


His friend at BoS was this guy:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/fife/137118/former-dunfermline-athletic-chairman-gavin-masterton-faces-financial-ruin/amp/

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32 minutes ago, Beast Boy said:

That’s the name I remembered.

It was said that Murray was given access to funds that he really hadn’t the collateral to justify, both at Rangers and his metal business. It all ended up very badly.
Some clubs got access to funds that then put them in extreme financial jeopardy.
When you think of the overdraft that Hearts were servicing at times, it makes you shudder. It’s almost unbelievable that we came out that madness, albeit by the skin of our teeth,  the efforts of many and a large slice of luck.

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1 hour ago, SectionDJambo said:

That’s the name I remembered.

It was said that Murray was given access to funds that he really hadn’t the collateral to justify, both at Rangers and his metal business. It all ended up very badly.
Some clubs got access to funds that then put them in extreme financial jeopardy.
When you think of the overdraft that Hearts were servicing at times, it makes you shudder. It’s almost unbelievable that we came out that madness, albeit by the skin of our teeth,  the efforts of many and a large slice of luck.


Indeed. We now have folk talking about us selling our shareholding to external investors. “Shudder” is exactly right. 😬

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6 hours ago, Doc Rob said:


What makes this ring true for me was that when Vlad arrived in town and had his bank take over our overdraft, it stopped. On the odd occasion that we did sell a player to a Glasgow club during his regime, we generally got a reasonable fee. We got decent money for Hartley, for instance, despite his contract running down. Nothing to threaten us with.

 

Now we don’t have an overdraft, but we have to live within our means and so we are financially vulnerable again.

 

Not as long as we live within our means. Tin hat on but I think given Celtic's potential court expenses incoming which could be behind their strange reluctance to spend money on decent players and a decent manager to ensure 10 in a row, and Rangers previous for overspending, I think Hearts might be currently the LEAST financially vulnerable club in the country. OK, Celtic and Rangers have way more money, Celtic in particular in their reserves, BUT there's something odd going on at Celtic and Rangers never seem far away from financiil implosion.

 

We're certainly the least financially vulnerable non-OF club. Hibs and Aberdeen are spending to try to be competitive this season. We're cutting costs and have the same if not more ST holders than them plus FoH donations plus benefactor funding for another 5 years minimum.

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1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said:

 

Not as long as we live within our means. Tin hat on but I think given Celtic's potential court expenses incoming which could be behind their strange reluctance to spend money on decent players and a decent manager to ensure 10 in a row, and Rangers previous for overspending, I think Hearts might be currently the LEAST financially vulnerable club in the country. OK, Celtic and Rangers have way more money, Celtic in particular in their reserves, BUT there's something odd going on at Celtic and Rangers never seem far away from financiil implosion.

 

We're certainly the least financially vulnerable non-OF club. Hibs and Aberdeen are spending to try to be competitive this season. We're cutting costs and have the same if not more ST holders than them plus FoH donations plus benefactor funding for another 5 years minimum.

 

Agree. They've got the financial might to outspend Rangers but aren't doing it. Considering how much 10 in a row seems to mean to them then I think it must be a non-footballing reason keeping reigning them in. 

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1 hour ago, ToqueJambo said:

We're certainly the least financially vulnerable non-OF club. Hibs and Aberdeen are spending to try to be competitive this season. We're cutting costs and have the same if not more ST holders than them plus FoH donations plus benefactor funding for another 5 years minimum.

Hibs and Aberdeen also have the, not insignificant, matter of paying back deferred wages. They wanted to be seen as the good guys, rather than take a lead from Ann Budge on the sensible route of negotiating wage cuts. 

The longer clubs go with no paying spectators of any great number, the more critical the financial siruation of some will become. That's where the sterling work and vision of Petrie's JRG will come to the fore.  Or not.

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1 hour ago, OTT said:

 

Agree. They've got the financial might to outspend Rangers but aren't doing it. Considering how much 10 in a row seems to mean to them then I think it must be a non-footballing reason keeping reigning them in. 

 

I'm sure that it will be their insurers that will pick up the tab for legal or compensation payments related to the currect court actions.

 

However, as the biggest spenders they will have the biggest ongoing wage bill.  We should start to see the extent of the liabilities for deferred wages later this month when the full year accounts are published.  Other clubs, including Aberdeen Rangers and Hearts will follow during October/November. 

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