Homme Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said: Messi is still brilliant but some of those stats are pretty nonsensical: ‘Shots’, ‘shots on target’ etc. If someone is having more shots than anyone in the league, you’d bloody hope they also had more shots on target than anyone else and ditto if you have more shots on target than anyone else you’d expect to score more of them than anyone else. Just seems a case of BT adding irrelevant ‘1sts’ for the sake of making the list longer. 25 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said: Messi is still brilliant but some of those stats are pretty nonsensical: ‘Shots’, ‘shots on target’ etc. If someone is having more shots than anyone in the league, you’d bloody hope they also had more shots on target than anyone else and ditto if you have more shots on target than anyone else you’d expect to score more of them than anyone else. Just seems a case of BT adding irrelevant ‘1sts’ for the sake of making the list longer. Not really irrelevant. If Hearts were linked with someone with equivalent stats at any level we would all be creaming ourselves. Goals, shots, shots on target, assists have been the main measure of clubs and players for decades now and he tops every list. I think he stays at Barca anyway. Or perhaps Inter. Would love to see him turn down the EPL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibrahim Tall Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 44 minutes ago, Homme said: Not really irrelevant. If Hearts were linked with someone with equivalent stats at any level we would all be creaming ourselves. Goals, shots, shots on target, assists have been the main measure of clubs and players for decades now and he tops every list. I think he stays at Barca anyway. Or perhaps Inter. Would love to see him turn down the EPL. That isn’t what I said though, is it? For me Messi is the greatest player ever but it doesn’t change the fact that BT have buried his key stats in unnecessary ones in an effort just to say ‘1st, 1st, 1st’ while at the same time leaving off other figures that are more relevant(where he’s still probably stupidly high) but not 1st. Or else somethings massively wrong: More shots = More shots on target = more goals. What would be a greater indicator instead of something as vague as ‘shots’ would be to indicate his shot/goal %. i.e. you have two players in the same team, same opposition etc. Player A spends the whole game pinging shots at every opportunity from 20 yards and finishes the game with 25 shots, 10 on target and 2 goals. Player B shoots when he has a more realistic chance of scoring and finishes the game with 5 shots, 5 on target and 1 goal. Whats a better statistic, that A is 1st, 1st, 1st or that B puts all his shots on target and score 20% of them? That isn’t the case with Messi but my deliberately omitting more revealing stats where he’s perhaps 4th or 5th in favour of unnecessary ones is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 41 minutes ago, Ibrahim Tall said: Messi is still brilliant but some of those stats are pretty nonsensical: ‘Shots’, ‘shots on target’ etc. If someone is having more shots than anyone in the league, you’d bloody hope they also had more shots on target than anyone else and ditto if you have more shots on target than anyone else you’d expect to score more of them than anyone else. Just seems a case of BT adding irrelevant ‘1sts’ for the sake of making the list longer. Ok, so I maybe a touch exuberant with the use of downward trajectory when I would have been better suggesting as Mauricio has (not the player he once was due to age starting to catch up), but totally agree with Ibrahim above. The first three lines of stats are relevant for a Forward, the rest of it is a bit Ebbe Skovdahl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) No wonder Barca are £500m in debt. Messi contract with all loyalty bonuses is being reported as a massive £110m a year.£2.11m a week ****ing hell makes you wonder can anybody really afford him , City would need to really restructure things to get by ffp rules. Basic wage is £1.1m a week. Edited August 27, 2020 by vegas-voss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, vegas-voss said: No wonder Barca are £500m in debt. Messi contract with all loyalty bonuses is being reported as a massive £110m a year.£2.11m a week ****ing hell makes you wonder can anybody really afford him , City would need to really restructure things to get by ffp rules. Basic wage is £1.1m a week. Has their debt went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, benny said: Has their debt went down. 500 million, deary me, thats shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas-voss Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, benny said: Has their debt went down. Its maybe £500m plus then 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54032101 Is staying at Barca and is making it sound like he's being kept there against his will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54032101 Is staying at Barca and is making it sound like he's being kept there against his will There has to be more to this than how he's making it out. Why on earth would he agree to a 700 Million Euro release clause in his contract the first place, knowing fine well no-one in the entire footballing World would be able to afford a 0.7 BILLION Euro fee? And that's before factoring in wages and other bonus payments. That release clause makes it completely impossible for him to play anywhere else should something like this happen where he wants a move Football at the top end of the spectrum is absolutely ****ing ridiculous! Edited September 4, 2020 by tian447 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTT Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, tian447 said: There has to be more to this than how he's making it out. Why on earth would he agree to a 700 Million Euro release clause in his contract the first place, knowing fine well no-one in the entire footballing World would be able to afford a 0.7 BILLION Euro fee? And that's before factoring in wages and other bonus payments. That release clause makes it completely impossible for him to play anywhere else should something like this happen where he wants a move Football at the top end of the spectrum is absolutely ****ing ridiculous! Probably because he was happy and felt settled at the time. I wonder how injured he's going to be this season Will be funny watching two world class talents in Bale and Messi sitting in the stands next season because nae ***** can afford their absolutely astronomical fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 That's the thing with those clauses in Spain, they're enforced (I think) so clubs set them ludicrously high if the player lets them. It was only half as much as that until 2017 when he signed his new deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusk_Till_Dawn Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Finding it hard to care tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tian447 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Finding it hard to care tbh Also true! "Boohoo, I have to stay at Barcelona and get paid over a million pounds a week, woe is me!" Prick! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gorgie Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Every body will be rushing out to buy the new barca top with Messi on the back now thinking it will be the last chance to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS' Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 I think this could all work out well, koeman will sort this team out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Findlay Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Messi will end his career with Barcelona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Messi will end his career with Barcelona. He might change his mind again tomorrow.😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMFC01 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54032101 Is staying at Barca and is making it sound like he's being kept there against his will That's exactly it. Unless some club come in and pay the ransom, unlikely. 14 minutes ago, John Findlay said: Messi will end his career with Barcelona. His contract is up next summer. He wants out but they want compensation until then. Actually expecting him to pay 700m to buy his contract. Bunch of sharks. Soon as he goes, Spanish football is done. Can't think of anyone that can fill that void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Wee prick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooperstar Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 3 hours ago, tian447 said: There has to be more to this than how he's making it out. Why on earth would he agree to a 700 Million Euro release clause in his contract the first place, knowing fine well no-one in the entire footballing World would be able to afford a 0.7 BILLION Euro fee? And that's before factoring in wages and other bonus payments. That release clause makes it completely impossible for him to play anywhere else should something like this happen where he wants a move Football at the top end of the spectrum is absolutely ****ing ridiculous! Release clauses are mandatory in Spain, which is why the better players have ones at ridiculous amounts of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Attention seeking wee prick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALDOS' Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 17 minutes ago, HMFC01 said: That's exactly it. Unless some club come in and pay the ransom, unlikely. His contract is up next summer. He wants out but they want compensation until then. Actually expecting him to pay 700m to buy his contract. Bunch of sharks. Soon as he goes, Spanish football is done. Can't think of anyone that can fill that void. I think it will move on slowly, but football in general will have a void that can't be filled when he and Ronaldo hang up their boots. Players who have looked early on as though they might break into that territory have never even got close in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byyy The Light Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, VALDOS' said: I think it will move on slowly, but football in general will have a void that can't be filled when he and Ronaldo hang up their boots. Players who have looked early on as though they might break into that territory have never even got close in the end. I suspect “the next Messi or Ronaldo” chat will go on for another 50 or 60 years before anybody gets close. That’s what we’ve been lucky to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgan Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, gashauskis9 said: Attention seeking wee prick And, with that post, the thread should be finito. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, gashauskis9 said: Attention seeking wee prick Yes if there's one thing lionel messi craves but never gets it's attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boof Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 How much, on average, will we each need to increase our FoH subs by to invoke his release clause? Still reckon we could do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ri Alban Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Ronaldo to join Barca. Now that would have a certain poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboAndrew Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 10 hours ago, gashauskis9 said: Attention seeking wee prick On the plus side people now know who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gashauskis9 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 9 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: Yes if there's one thing lionel messi craves but never gets it's attention. You do know that it’s possible to get lots of attention but still be an attention seeker? We have them on abundance on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 15 hours ago, Dusk_Till_Dawn said: Finding it hard to care tbh thats where i am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 15 hours ago, Mauricio Pinilla said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54032101 Is staying at Barca and is making it sound like he's being kept there against his will Yeah but who would pay a 624m for a player who has another 3 seasons at best left in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Lionel Messi won't have to serve a custodial sentence after a court in Spain reduced his tax fraud sentence to a fine. He and his father had been accused of avoiding over four million euros in taxes. A Spanish court hasreduced Lionel Messi's suspended prison sentence for tax fraud to a 252,000 euro ($287,000) fine.7 Jul 2017 £1m a week and still tried to avoid tax , I don’t care how good a player he is , he’s a ****ing knob . I really hope the clubs all around the world that pay wages like this go bust ,never to return . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 I think Messi will leave. His statement is just part of negotiations to put it back to Barcelona to agree a deal. Rebuild properly under new manager or limp on with an unhappy disruptive player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Don't really see the fuss with this Messi U-Turn. https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/sep/01/david-squires-on-lionel-messi-going-full-george-costanza-barcelona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 As if he was ever going to leave Barca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansel Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 This whole thing has been stage managed by Barca and Messi to divert attention away from the Bayern pumping. They've manipulated the fans emotions by converting their anger (after the Bayern pumping) to fear (at the thought of losing messi) And now they arrive at relief that he's staying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 "I'm staying because I could never go to court against Barca" (In case I lose.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Fort Vallance said: "I'm staying because I could never go to court against Barca" (In case I lose.) Perhaps you should take it for what it is..a simple statement of fact that he is aware that the club has become his club and does not want his time there sullied by a court case Of course there will be an element of him hoping the club will reciprocate his feelings but there is no reason to doubt his word Oh and were it us he was considering coming to the number of posters on here who would reverse their opinions and delete their posts quickly then fight to kiss his backside on doing so...those are the hypocrites not Messi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Vallance Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 15 hours ago, CJGJ said: Perhaps you should take it for what it is..a simple statement of fact that he is aware that the club has become his club and does not want his time there sullied by a court case Of course there will be an element of him hoping the club will reciprocate his feelings but there is no reason to doubt his word Oh and were it us he was considering coming to the number of posters on here who would reverse their opinions and delete their posts quickly then fight to kiss his backside on doing so...those are the hypocrites not Messi Absolutely. Myself included. We're all fickle when it comes to our club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 On 05/09/2020 at 15:21, Ted (Theodore) Logan said: This whole thing has been stage managed by Barca and Messi to divert attention away from the Bayern pumping. They've manipulated the fans emotions by converting their anger (after the Bayern pumping) to fear (at the thought of losing messi) And now they arrive at relief that he's staying. Maybe, but after that they did sack the manager and told several players they are done so unsure what was stage, managed Tbh. They did take all the action they could after the defeat and now that messi is staying the president will be next to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 So, after all this, are we or are we not signing Messi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Such a relief for everyone. Not sure if that's down to £20 million a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ribble Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Such a relief for everyone. Not sure if that's down to £20 million a year? Roughly about £17m a year but no doubt that'll be balanced by Barca giving up any share of his endorsements/rights deals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Down to a measly 300k a week, same as the likes of hero Rash at Man U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruyff Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 He is one of the greatest players ever, if not the greatest. I'm sure he generates a lot of revenue and interest in Barcelona too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey1874 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 2 more years they are saying. Paid over 5 years. That isn't really a pay cut. Might still get a move to US while still representing Barcelona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said: Such a relief for everyone. Not sure if that's down to £20 million a year? Modern day hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 probably makes more from social media sponsored content than Barca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Cruyff said: He is one of the greatest players ever, if not the greatest. I'm sure he generates a lot of revenue and interest in Barcelona too. But is he? Even Nade scored v Hibs, Messi has never scored v Hibs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackLadd Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: But is he? Even Nade scored v Hibs, Messi has never scored v Hibs. I think he bagged one vs Hibs at Murrayfield in 08's drubbing. Not to say Nade was not a silky talent worthy of comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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