Stupid Sexy Flanders Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, jager man said: Playing boys is about helping them to be pushed by a better team. No problem there. Also with the 8-0 who cares. Why does everyone want to highlight how they got pumped. Maybe the girls were happy with that result. Maybe they played better football at times but just weren't strong enough. Could you compare a 15 year old Usain bolt (junior world champ) with and Olympic womens sprinter. Bolt was 1 sec quicker. Or would we compare them.? Seems to be it's just football we have an issue with comparing sexes. It's not about comparing them, it's about whether or not it's possible for them to compete in the same teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jager man Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Stupid Sexy Flanders said: It's not about comparing them, it's about whether or not it's possible for them to compete in the same teams. Yeah I agree the original topic was about women playing in mens team. But the poster compared male teams to female teams. At the moment hearts under 11s girls play in a boys league for there age group. Let the girls play (probably get beat a lot but learn a lot) and get better. Let them enjoy the sport and be judged against other girls. Not some male dinosaurs deciding because the can't beat an average boys team they won't make it in football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Cade said: 16 or 40 years old, male or female, black or white or brown or anything else, catholic or protestant or muslim or scientologist, 6 foot 6 or 5 foot nowt, none of that pish matters. All that matters is are they good enough at football. Precisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maroonedinoz Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 There may very well be women who are not up to the standard of the men's game. But they shouldn't be denied the opportunity to show that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Internet Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Gorgiewave said: I wouldn't be surprised if a certain number of women in a team became mandatory. Ability is no longer the main criterion in much of society. Aye that's what'll happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 16 hours ago, NANOJAMBO said: I've been involved with ladies football and I can see the benefit of this in areas where there are insufficient numbers to make up a league of ladies teams or simply to get a ladies team playing regularly. Other than that, I cannot foresee how this is going to be a regular thing : women just don't have the strength to compete with men and even more rarely do they have the skill levels. In the ten years or so I was involved I only ever saw two ladies good/strong enough but they were outstanding and went on to play pro level in England. Agree, very few will make it but imo they should be given the opportunity. Opportunity v are women any good are two different debates. Tbh Very few men actually make it either, but they are given the opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said: Agree, very few will make it but imo they should be given the opportunity. Opportunity v are women any good are two different debates. Tbh Very few men actually make it either, but they are given the opportunity. Sometimes its down to luck or who you know, bit like a lot of jobs in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Harry Potter said: Sometimes its down to luck or who you know, bit like a lot of jobs in life. 100%, but I've no issue with it, like many, tho, I can't see many making it to our top level. You do get fast, strong women, I'd bet many top women athletes are fitter/ faster than many men players at a lower/ PT level but then if that's their ceiling what's the point? They'd be better in the women's only game. Again, imo opportunity should not be denied based on sex, in fact if challenged in court it wouldn't. Edited August 5, 2020 by Smith's right boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pans Jambo Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 14 hours ago, Mr 3 Putt said: There are some really good woman players out their, however for me the goalkeeping raises question marks. I know it won't happen that quickly but can you imagine Ronaldo smashing the ball towards a female keeper? It would got straight through her, pretty much like what we had to watch with Pereira. What is it exactly about women goalkeepers? REALLY REALLY BAD keepers. Every last one of them. Utter pish. Anyway, womens football is not something I am personally interested in but I have ZERO issue with it. A mixed team in the top 2 leagues wont happen. They are just not good enough, fast enough or strong enough against men n my opinion. the bottom 2 or a part-time team perhaps but not the top leagues. If they were good enough I would be OK with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Pans Jambo said: What is it exactly about women goalkeepers? REALLY REALLY BAD keepers. Every last one of them. Utter pish. Anyway, womens football is not something I am personally interested in but I have ZERO issue with it. A mixed team in the top 2 leagues wont happen. They are just not good enough, fast enough or strong enough against men n my opinion. the bottom 2 or a part-time team perhaps but not the top leagues. If they were good enough I would be OK with it. I'm here as well. The keepers bring down their whole game imo, a game can be OK then the goalies make it look shite. Even a good goal looks shite in the end. IMO the goals need to be a bit smaller, it reminds me of a children's team playing in full size goals, just not right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 If there was no gender separation in sport and the likes of tennis, football, rugby, athletics and such were all mixed then you would never hear of a top woman athlete ever again. It needs to stay separate for their own good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Mikey Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 54 minutes ago, Ron Burgundy said: If there was no gender separation in sport and the likes of tennis, football, rugby, athletics and such were all mixed then you would never hear of a top woman athlete ever again. It needs to stay separate for their own good. Yes you would!!! Mind you, it might lead to all sorts of naughty non-PC stuff ... as if it is not bad enough already. 😄 I'm happy to have grown up when releasing videos like this didn't result in a sanctimonious twitter-storm ... (I totally admire and respect Katie Archibald and her cycling mates, so dinnae think I'm being in any way mysoginistic) Just having a giggle. But, methinks these days you'd get absolutely torn to shreds by the PC brigade. See? Girls CAN ride bikes. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: 100%, but I've no issue with it, like many, tho, I can't see many making it to our top level. You do get fast, strong women, I'd bet many top women athletes are fitter/ faster than many men players at a lower/ PT level but then if that's their ceiling what's the point? They'd be better in the women's only game. Again, imo opportunity should not be denied based on sex, in fact if challenged in court it wouldn't. Good post bud.👍, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydug Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 15 hours ago, tian447 said: Nah, sorry, this doesn't help anybody. It definitely doesn't help Women's football improve, and could take funding away from dedicated Women's teams. Not many women are going to make the breakthrough at a high level, so what is the point in them trying to push this? There are some sports where it is feasible to have mixed teams, but unfortunately football just isn't one of them. Imagine they brought quotas in - you'd end up with people there to tick a box instead of being there on merit or ability, and people who genuinely have worked hard and end up getting left out. There should be more mixed coaching staff, and mixed training could also be a realistic approach, but when it comes to games, it's just not going to work. What would help, is more money being diverted into Women's football and allowing the game to start to catch up to a decent level. However, look at the seethe fest it caused on here when Hearts Women were on the end of a relatively minimal cash injection of £100,000 from the club. Your last paragraph was mainly the serial moaners and whingers that infest this forum. I suppose all clubs have their share of these kind of people. Most people will take it for what it is, a chance for women to participate at their own level. As the they do in Tennis, golf, swimming etc. We'll worth their place in professional sport and good entertainment imo. I don't think it would do anyone any good to mix the two groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, luckydug said: Your last paragraph was mainly the serial moaners and whingers that infest this forum. I suppose all clubs have their share of these kind of people. Most people will take it for what it is, a chance for women to participate at their own level. As the they do in Tennis, golf, swimming etc. We'll worth their place in professional sport and good entertainment imo. I don't think it would do anyone any good to mix the two groups. Just look at the womens golf now, love watching them play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Harry Potter said: Just look at the womens golf now, love watching them play. I don't really follow golf at all but do women not have a different tee making holes shorter? Again I have no idea if the standard is as drastically different as say football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seymour M Hersh Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said: I don't really follow golf at all but do women not have a different tee making holes shorter? Again I have no idea if the standard is as drastically different as say football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said: I don't really follow golf at all but do women not have a different tee making holes shorter? Again I have no idea if the standard is as drastically different as say football. Aye they play of forward tees making the distances shorter, but the likes of Laura Davies can hit a drive over 280 yards so keeping up with the blokes , slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3fingersreid Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 15 hours ago, Stupid Sexy Flanders said: What was the score? I've always thought that would be quite interesting, take the best women's team and have them play Cowdenbeath or something, just to see how they'd get on. I'd watch that game. Game was a year ago tonight against U17’s and resulted in a heavy 7-0 defeat , and also resulted in a bad injury to our captain which didn’t help our promotion bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said: If there was no gender separation in sport and the likes of tennis, football, rugby, athletics and such were all mixed then you would never hear of a top woman athlete ever again. It needs to stay separate for their own good. You make a valid point, most women even if the best would likely be better off in their own sport, however if a women footballer is able she should be able to play in the men's if she wants. Her decision to kick about in a lower league team than say play for a top women's side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Burgundy Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 16 hours ago, Smith's right boot said: You make a valid point, most women even if the best would likely be better off in their own sport, however if a women footballer is able she should be able to play in the men's if she wants. Her decision to kick about in a lower league team than say play for a top women's side. And for equality should a man who failed to make the grade as a pro in the mans game not be given the chance to make cash playing for a top womens team? If it's only about ability then fairs fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nookie Bear Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said: And for equality should a man who failed to make the grade as a pro in the mans game not be given the chance to make cash playing for a top womens team? If it's only about ability then fairs fair. To be honest i am surprised there has not been more Caster Semenya style instances in the women's game. Suspect that will happen as the rewards grow more attractive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 6, 2020 Author Share Posted August 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said: And for equality should a man who failed to make the grade as a pro in the mans game not be given the chance to make cash playing for a top womens team? If it's only about ability then fairs fair. Could be a debate and then brings about the whole merging together, making it harder for women In General to succeed in any sport Interesting to see how things develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homme Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Women's football is completely taking off across the globe and can be huge in its own right. No need to start changing things now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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