Infighting in SPFL already

[bigsuperslim1874]

Just now, GinRummy said:

That he said it or that she is a slag? 😂

I meant the first but you might have a point there 😂

[Beast Boy]

He did. Allegedly.

[GinRummy]

Just now, Special Officer Doofy said:

He did. Allegedly.

Might have done him a favour. I think I’d like to know if the wife was chucking it about  

[bigsuperslim1874]

3 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

He did. Allegedly.

😂😂😂

[Mikey1874]

59 minutes ago, kila said:

I think it is obvious the clubs lack the ability to do the broadcasting/billing bit of the coverage properly. And Neil Doncaster chaired these meetings  It's like his job is to make Scottish football as bad as possible.

 

Am I remembering right that Doncaster mentioned something about Sky helping with broadcasting BCD games beyond what they are showing on TV? Was a few months ago.

 

There was a whole sub group of the SFA / SPFL working on this.

 

Not just left to clubs. Or maybe it is.

[Nookie Bear]

7 minutes ago, Mikey1874 said:

 

There was a whole sub group of the SFA / SPFL working on this.

 

Not just left to clubs. Or maybe it is.

 

Yep, and i listed the members of it on the previous page. Killie and Hibs both represented...chaired by Doncaster.

[Lord Beni of Gorgie]

57 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

 

From 2nd June:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-close-revolutionary-sky-sports-22128901

 

"revolutionary new broadcast deal...at an advanced stage"

 

Edit: in fairness it was only ever to be to season ticket holders although i don't see why it could never be opened up to others.

Holding fans to hostage to buy a season ticket. Leeds were charging 10 quid for a game pass while helping with IT issues for anyone. 

 

Another marketing disaster blocking fans 

[The Mighty Thor]

1 hour ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

Apparently Billy Bowie called Ron Gordon’s wife a slag. 

That's the gravy!

 

[Nookie Bear]

48 minutes ago, Sir Gio said:

Holding fans to hostage to buy a season ticket. Leeds were charging 10 quid for a game pass while helping with IT issues for anyone. 

 

Another marketing disaster blocking fans 

And another opportunity lost ☹️

[Cesni]

1 hour ago, Sir Gio said:

Holding fans to hostage to buy a season ticket. Leeds were charging 10 quid for a game pass while helping with IT issues for anyone. 

 

Another marketing disaster blocking fans 

 

We need to forever remind the Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and co that they are responsible for the shambles and failures of Scottish Football. They are the existing state, the upholders of failure, a systemic culture of short-term greed and self-interest.  They are enemies of progression and long-termism, suffocating Scottish Football as they fuse with the status quo.  Never let them forget.

[Byyy The Light]

Meanwhile...

 

https://www.watchloi.ie/

 

They even have a sponsor. How this prick Doncaster still has a job is beyond me.

[Boof]

18 hours ago, Nookie Bear said:

Good effort by the Joint Response Group. Both Killie and Hibs are on this so they can blame themselves. 
 

I wonder if they ever actually met. 

4. Broadcasting and Innovation (Chaired by Neil Doncaster)

Name | Club/Organisation

James Bisgrove | Commercial & Marketing Director, Rangers 
Dave Cormack | Chairman, Aberdeen 
Ron Gordon | Chairman, Hibernian 
David Hamilton | Scottish Government 
Kerry Keenan | Head of Marketing and Multi Media, Celtic 
Kieran Koszary | Executive Director, Falkirk 
Gregg McEwan | Head of Marketing & Commercial Operations, Kilmarnock 
Rod McKenzie | SPFL Legal Counsel 
Chris Rawlings | Commercial Director, Scottish FA
Andrew Sinclair | Head of Partnerships, SPFL
Duncan Smillie | Director, Partick Thistle

Terms of reference:

- Production 
- Transmission methods
- Broadcast and content opportunities: online streaming (UK and overseas); associated payment platform(s)
- Virtual season tickets and other innovations
- Radio
- Club channels/broadcast partner interaction
- Blocked hours

 

Just re-posting this so folk can see the level of competence involved...

[Kiwidoug]

18 hours ago, OmiyaHearts said:

I hope it continues and as teams fall out, the Premiership falls to pieces. We have two months to sit back and watch it all unravel.

 

I'll be over the moon if the first OF game is behind closed doors, and I expect it will.

You mean that game might be played in the absence of thousands of decent, pleasant people in the stadium.

 

No change there.

[braveheart]

20 hours ago, OmiyaHearts said:

I hope it continues and as teams fall out, the Premiership falls to pieces. We have two months to sit back and watch it all unravel.

 

I'll be over the moon if the first OF game is behind closed doors, and I expect it will.

Same weekend as the start of the championship? if there is fans at OF game at least there will be at opening game v scumdee.

[Mundaydog]

7 hours ago, Byyy The Light said:

Meanwhile...

 

https://www.watchloi.ie/

 

They even have a sponsor. How this prick Doncaster still has a job is beyond me.

Even the website is better than anything the SPFL have.

A ‘Scottish’ company sponsoring the Irish league... why do I get the feeling that Doncaster just waits for someone to come to him regarding sponsoring leagues/cups etc.

For £400k a year should he not be out knocking doors Worldwide trying to sell our leagues?

A lack of sponsors should be a red flag that what is on offer just isn’t sellable....

[Whitecapjambo]

It's a sad state of affairs when the League of Ireland manages to offer a better streaming service than the Spfl. https://www.watchloi.ie/ . €5 per game. Or €55 for the remaining 55 games that will be streamed this season. Money shared between all clubs. 

[Deevers]

29 minutes ago, Mundaydog said:

Even the website is better than anything the SPFL have.

A ‘Scottish’ company sponsoring the Irish league... why do I get the feeling that Doncaster just waits for someone to come to him regarding sponsoring leagues/cups etc.

For £400k a year should he not be out knocking doors Worldwide trying to sell our leagues?

A lack of sponsors should be a red flag that what is on offer just isn’t sellable....

He does nothing unless Lawell tells him to. Let’s face facts it’s in Celtics interests to keep the rest of the game here financially poor. That suits them down to the ground.

[The Internet]

Just want to reiterate that the league of Ireland has pulled together what seems to be a decent effort at a cost-effective streaming service, whilst Livingston fc are charging people £20 to stream one of their games. 

[Nookie Bear]

3 minutes ago, Deevers said:

He does nothing unless Lawell tells him to. Let’s face facts it’s in Celtics interests to keep the rest of the game here financially poor. That suits them down to the ground.

Heard this theory before and it is becoming less ridiculous as time goes on. 

[Nookie Bear]

Should be a simple task for a journalist to raise this issue with the relevant authority. 
 

Not our problem anymore so I will leave it with them. 
 

As Cesni rightly says:

8 hours ago, Cesni said:

 

We need to forever remind the Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd and co that they are responsible for the shambles and failures of Scottish Football. They are the existing state, the upholders of failure, a systemic culture of short-term greed and self-interest.  They are enemies of progression and long-termism, suffocating Scottish Football as they fuse with the status quo.  Never let them forget.

 

[Deevers]

8 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Heard this theory before and it is becoming less ridiculous as time goes on. 

Nothing is done now unless it has Lawells stamp of approval. Recent events have proved that in spades.  He’s delighted that we are relegated as we are one of the few  financially stable clubs in the league.  Celtic make enough money off their own ventures to make anything that comes in off league sponsorship sweeties for them. It’s a big deal for other clubs though. The lack of sponsorship money affects other clubs ability  to complete with them.  Lawell was with Doncaster when the cut the poor deal with Sky. Again it does not affect Celtic that much it it does however under sell the game here limits the amount of money other clubs could have made. Nothing will change in the game here until their pervasive influence is removed from the SPFL Board. The pity is that they have so many acolytes in place in charge of lower league clubs willing to do their bidding at every turn.

[Beast Boy]

20 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

Heard this theory before and it is becoming less ridiculous as time goes on. 

There’s nothing ridiculous about it. People need to open their eyes to what’s in front of them. 
 

The SPFL Board is full of people who have business relationships with Celtic, Desmond and Lawwell.

 

Doncaster is Lawwell’s man. He accompanied his “able guy” to TV deal negotiations, and he wanted him as SFA supremo.

 

Celtic have representation on every SPFL and SFA committee.

 

The recent SPFL Board resolution was drafted to benefit Celtic’s 10 in a row quest. They didn’t even need to comment publicly, because they are the SPFL.

 

Why are we going ahead with the Scottish Cup? Because it’s their chance of another treble.

 

Celtic and Lawwell are behind everything that happens in Scottish Football.

 

Its in Celtic’s interests to have control over all the other clubs. They can then manipulate them with player loans and filling their stadia with manky supporters. It’s in their interests to destroy any slim chance of other clubs threatening their parasitic hold on the league, so they just keep them poor and fighting with each other.

 

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Special Officer Doofy

[Nookie Bear]

1 minute ago, Deevers said:

Nothing is done now unless it has Lawells stamp of approval. Recent events have proved that in spades.  He’s delighted that we are relegated as we are one of the few  financially stable clubs in the league.  Celtic make enough money off their own ventures to make anything that comes in off league sponsorship sweeties for them. It’s a big deal for other clubs though. The lack of sponsorship money affects other clubs ability  to complete with them.  Lawell was with Doncaster when the cut the poor deal with Sky. Again it does not affect Celtic that much it it does however under sell the game here limits the amount of money other clubs could have made. Nothing will change in the game here until their pervasive influence is removed from the SPFL Board. The pity is that they have so many acolytes in place in charge of lower league clubs willing to do their bidding at every turn.

I can understand why the biggest club should be represented but it’s the complete lack of balls amongst the other clubs that holds us back. 
 

There is no need for clubs like Aberdeen or hibs to suck up to Celtic so much. 

[Deevers]

9 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

I can understand why the biggest club should be represented but it’s the complete lack of balls amongst the other clubs that holds us back. 
 

There is no need for clubs like Aberdeen or hibs to suck up to Celtic so much. 

They are over represented. And yes, the lack of backbone by other supposedly bigger clubs in stunning. Maybe the worms are beginning to turn though. At least some of them.

Edited July 30, 2020 by Deevers

[Beast Boy]

11 minutes ago, Nookie Bear said:

I can understand why the biggest club should be represented but it’s the complete lack of balls amongst the other clubs that holds us back. 
 

There is no need for clubs like Aberdeen or hibs to suck up to Celtic so much. 

Hibs won a cup with loans from Celtic. 

[OmiyaHearts]

1 hour ago, braveheart said:

Same weekend as the start of the championship? if there is fans at OF game at least there will be at opening game v scumdee.

If there is any fans, which I doubt, it's prob going to be less than 50% capacity, looking at other leagues.

[manaliveits105]

39 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

Hibs won a cup with loans from Celtic. 

Correct - forever Celtic Lite - their cup win should have an asterisk included 

[Салатные палочки]

If it weren't for attendances, we would be on par with the LOI. 

[Byyy The Light]

1 hour ago, Mundaydog said:

Even the website is better than anything the SPFL have.

A ‘Scottish’ company sponsoring the Irish league... why do I get the feeling that Doncaster just waits for someone to come to him regarding sponsoring leagues/cups etc.

For £400k a year should he not be out knocking doors Worldwide trying to sell our leagues?

A lack of sponsors should be a red flag that what is on offer just isn’t sellable....

 

It's laughable, frustrating and desperately sad in equal measures.  It's genuinely not rocket science to set this kind of thing up and as for a sponsor, that tells its on story.  As others have said it now looks like the whole thing is deliberately self destructive by design, as long as Celtic are hoovering up millions in European money and turning the heads of glory hunting fans across the country

[SectionDJambo]

2 hours ago, Deevers said:

He does nothing unless Lawell tells him to. Let’s face facts it’s in Celtics interests to keep the rest of the game here financially poor. That suits them down to the ground.

Exactly

There is no other explanation for Doncaster still having a job, other than Celtic are happy that the other, bigger and potentially challenging, Premiership clubs are given scraps whilst they make sure they are financially certain to dine at the Champions League table.

Lawwell even went to a meeting, with Sky, to hold his hand, and was happy with the outcome. "Neil is a very capable guy".😂

He also has the smaller clubs in his back pocket to make sure what he wants, goes. Scotland is, unfortunately, a very polarised country as far as football goes, mainly for sectarian reasons. Club chairmen of the smaller clubs are very likely to have leanings towards either Celtic or Rangers. At this time, Celtic have taken the upper hand away from Rangers, after the liquidation and Green era.

There's no sign of this ever ending, given that the Scottish press are heavily inflicted with the same disease.

[jamboinglasgow]

3 hours ago, Deevers said:

He does nothing unless Lawell tells him to. Let’s face facts it’s in Celtics interests to keep the rest of the game here financially poor. That suits them down to the ground.

 

I worked out a few months ago that the income Celtic get from the SPFL is about 5% of their revenue. It means nothing to them and will only be important if we got a tv deal triple of what we got now. Its in their interests to keep the money of other teams down, means those teams cant get better players and risk Celtic getting beaten more often, putting at risk getting titles which would mean no European money (a big chunk of their income) and less crowds (another chunk of their income.) Plus less money for other clubs mean Celtic can get other clubs best players for cheaper.

[Rogue Daddy]

6 minutes ago, SectionDJambo said:

Exactly

There is no other explanation for Doncaster still having a job, other than Celtic are happy that the other, bigger and potentially challenging, Premiership clubs are given scraps whilst they make sure they are financially certain to dine at the Champions League table.

Lawwell even went to a meeting, with Sky, to hold his hand, and was happy with the outcome. "Neil is a very capable guy".😂

He also has the smaller clubs in his back pocket to make sure what he wants, goes. Scotland is, unfortunately, a very polarised country as far as football goes, mainly for sectarian reasons. Club chairmen of the smaller clubs are very likely to have leanings towards either Celtic or Rangers. At this time, Celtic have taken the upper hand away from Rangers, after the liquidation and Green era.

There's no sign of this ever ending, given that the Scottish press are heavily inflicted with the same disease.

 

The only way things will change is a 'breakaway' like the attempt a number of years ago. Only this time, Sevco would have to be on our side... lets face it, they have a (semi)decent ceo at the moment in Douglas Park - I know, I hate them as much as anybody, but this is how we would need to proceed to break up what we have at the minute imo. I mean, as stated above, Celtic has one of 'there's' in virtually every prominent position in Scottish football... and, thanks to Lawwell, Dungcatser is about to play a role in UEFA! They're ****ing everywhere! It's only going to get worse.

[Mundaydog]

The last time someone came into Scottish football with money was Romanov. The OF & the MSM didn’t like it. Remember the rule changes regarding comments he made, the unbelievable refereeing decisions that went against us.

Folk might not like it but unless there was investment in Hearts or another club like the money Man City got then the OF will continue to dominate the money and media here. 
If and when that investment came it might lead to more but Doncaster and the rest of the clique don’t sell the product so it will more than likely never happen

[jambo_74]

23 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said:

 

The only way things will change is a 'breakaway' like the attempt a number of years ago. Only this time, Sevco would have to be on our side... lets face it, they have a (semi)decent ceo at the moment in Douglas Park - I know, I hate them as much as anybody, but this is how we would need to proceed to break up what we have at the minute imo. I mean, as stated above, Celtic has one of 'there's' in virtually every prominent position in Scottish football... and, thanks to Lawwell, Dungcatser is about to play a role in UEFA! They're ****ing everywhere! It's only going to get worse.

It's funny, the capitalist political model, which is prevalent throughout the western world and never more so than in the US, is ultimately the major problem for team sport in the UK. Ironically, the US utilises a far more socialist model within its major sports leagues. The draft system offers teams performing poorly the opportunity to upgrade the talent at their disposal, ensuring that the poorest performing team from the previous season has a chance to improve its lot. The problem with the model we utilise is simple, the dominant team cherry picks the best of the rest, weakening opponents and ultimately damaging emerging talent through a lack of game time.

 

Celtic want to win at all costs, they have no care for the future of their rivals, which could inevitably prove their downfall. If they get to ten, and then twenty and god forbid thirty. What then? Will interest levels still remain high. Scottish football is amongst the most watched in Europe per head of population, that should be significant, that should provide a decent marketing team with enough ammunition to hit some decent targets in respect of advertising revenue. At the very minimum, we should have a league sponsor,  for crying out loud, we are the second oldest league in the world. That should be played on, the history, the heritage, the romanticism. It's all there to be tapped into. Unfortunately, and this is no conspiracy theory, its a fact. Celtic don't want change, change could upset the apple cart, they would stand to lose if other teams improve and that is simply not in their best interests. It will be a futile exercise demanding change whilst the power brokers all want the same thing, a continued dominance of the game by one club.  Crap, that rant makes me feel even worse than I did before.

 

 

[Bazzas right boot]

15 hours ago, Special Officer Doofy said:

He did. Allegedly.

 

When? 

If he was bent over her when he called her it he may have a point. 

[Bazzas right boot]

15 hours ago, GinRummy said:

Might have done him a favour. I think I’d like to know if the wife was chucking it about  

 

Too many jokes there. 

👍

[Rogue Daddy]

34 minutes ago, jambo_74 said:

It's funny, the capitalist political model, which is prevalent throughout the western world and never more so than in the US, is ultimately the major problem for team sport in the UK. Ironically, the US utilises a far more socialist model within its major sports leagues. The draft system offers teams performing poorly the opportunity to upgrade the talent at their disposal, ensuring that the poorest performing team from the previous season has a chance to improve its lot. The problem with the model we utilise is simple, the dominant team cherry picks the best of the rest, weakening opponents and ultimately damaging emerging talent through a lack of game time.

 

Celtic want to win at all costs, they have no care for the future of their rivals, which could inevitably prove their downfall. If they get to ten, and then twenty and god forbid thirty. What then? Will interest levels still remain high. Scottish football is amongst the most watched in Europe per head of population, that should be significant, that should provide a decent marketing team with enough ammunition to hit some decent targets in respect of advertising revenue. At the very minimum, we should have a league sponsor,  for crying out loud, we are the second oldest league in the world. That should be played on, the history, the heritage, the romanticism. It's all there to be tapped into. Unfortunately, and this is no conspiracy theory, its a fact. Celtic don't want change, change could upset the apple cart, they would stand to lose if other teams improve and that is simply not in their best interests. It will be a futile exercise demanding change whilst the power brokers all want the same thing, a continued dominance of the game by one club.  Crap, that rant makes me feel even worse than I did before.

 

 

I've stated a few times on this forum, that I would be delighted to see one or both of the uglies leave the Scottish league... bet it a European league set up or down south. I firmly believe it would be the making of Scottish football.

We don't need them or their knuckle-dragging fans (I know teams like St Johnston would disagree given that they give 3/4 of their stadium to the OF when visiting)… but, over time, it would even out and be a far more competitive arrangement than what we've had to endure for over 35 years.

[wavydavy]

 

 

TOP clubs were on a collision course with the SFA last night as the Covid-19 testing fiasco plumbed new depths.

SunSport can reveal several Premiership sides are seething that costly twice-weekly tests have been ordered by Hampden.

1

St Mirren's training ground is on lockdownCredit: Kenny Ramsay - The Sun Glasgow

They feel the SFA has overreacted to a number of ‘false positive’ results at St Mirren and testing issues which hit Rangers, Motherwell and Hibs.

Some clubs also believe testing company Cignpost are taking longer than expected to return results — with one having waited five days for results.

A source told SunSport: “The guidance from Hampden was flawed and several clubs have pointed out it was wrong and too vague.

“Some clubs feel the company recommended for the tests is failing to deliver within the timescale the SFA wants.

 

“The SFA has worked hard to give clubs advice and help them find solutions during the Covid-19 testing period.

“But a number of clubs are growing increasingly disillusioned with a lack of leadership when these new issues have arisen.”

 

 

This is from the Sun Comic.

[Mikey1874]

11 hours ago, Boof said:

 

Just re-posting this so folk can see the level of competence involved...

 

The key thing is they have allowed for self interest.

 

Instead of what the fans want which is to see games. 

 

A very good example of where Scottish football is at. 

[Fitba' broke my Heart]

6 hours ago, Whitecapjambo said:

It's a sad state of affairs when the League of Ireland manages to offer a better streaming service than the Spfl. https://www.watchloi.ie/ . €5 per game. Or €55 for the remaining 55 games that will be streamed this season. Money shared between all clubs.

 

This is the reason why things are the way they are.

Can't see OF being anywhere near something like that

Edited July 30, 2020 by Fitba' broke my Heart
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[jambo_74]

4 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said:

I've stated a few times on this forum, that I would be delighted to see one or both of the uglies leave the Scottish league... bet it a European league set up or down south. I firmly believe it would be the making of Scottish football.

We don't need them or their knuckle-dragging fans (I know teams like St Johnston would disagree given that they give 3/4 of their stadium to the OF when visiting)… but, over time, it would even out and be a far more competitive arrangement than what we've had to endure for over 35 years.

I understand where you are coming from and I partially agree. However, I just wish that strategic foresight would come into the the thinking of those in charge of the game. Scottish Football could be a product worthwhile saving including the OF if the marketing was evenly distributed. The OF games are all that anyone outside of Scotland hear about and that comes down to the current marketing strategy. The push since the 80's and the beginning of the Sky era has been to let everyone know outside of Scotland that there is only one game worth watching. Imagine if Sky had been around at the tail end of the seventies, would the old firm game have had as much relevance?

 

Timing was key, Murray investing in Ranger's initially, then McCann, coupled with the Champions League monies has created a perfect storm in Scottish football leading to us becoming a noncompetitive backwater. For the first hundred years Rangers and Celtic only finished as winner and runner up twenty times. In the last twenty five years they have finished as winner and runner up seventeen times. It would have clearly been more but Sevco went out the box allowing Aberdeen to slip in and take second spot.

 

Only once during that dominance was there even remotely the chance for change, and we were the team to provide that challenge. It could happen again, the pandemic will have an impact, Celtic spend a lot and depend a lot on revenues currently unavailable to them. They will have to cut their cloth accordingly, Rangers are still a basket case teetering on the brink. Change could once again be on the horizon, the end of the second world war and through into the early sixties, the turn of the seventies into the eighties. Let hope the start of the twenties can provide similar outcomes to the two periods highlighted.

[will-i-am-a-jambo]

3 hours ago, jambo_74 said:

It's funny, the capitalist political model, which is prevalent throughout the western world and never more so than in the US, is ultimately the major problem for team sport in the UK. Ironically, the US utilises a far more socialist model within its major sports leagues. The draft system offers teams performing poorly the opportunity to upgrade the talent at their disposal, ensuring that the poorest performing team from the previous season has a chance to improve its lot. The problem with the model we utilise is simple, the dominant team cherry picks the best of the rest, weakening opponents and ultimately damaging emerging talent through a lack of game time.

 

Celtic want to win at all costs, they have no care for the future of their rivals, which could inevitably prove their downfall. If they get to ten, and then twenty and god forbid thirty. What then? Will interest levels still remain high. Scottish football is amongst the most watched in Europe per head of population, that should be significant, that should provide a decent marketing team with enough ammunition to hit some decent targets in respect of advertising revenue. At the very minimum, we should have a league sponsor,  for crying out loud, we are the second oldest league in the world. That should be played on, the history, the heritage, the romanticism. It's all there to be tapped into. Unfortunately, and this is no conspiracy theory, its a fact. Celtic don't want change, change could upset the apple cart, they would stand to lose if other teams improve and that is simply not in their best interests. It will be a futile exercise demanding change whilst the power brokers all want the same thing, a continued dominance of the game by one club.  Crap, that rant makes me feel even worse than I did before.

 

 

 

The ironic thing being, Celtic always blame the lack of competition in the SPFL as the reasons why they fail so spectacularly in Europe!

[Rogue Daddy]

1 hour ago, jambo_74 said:

I understand where you are coming from and I partially agree. However, I just wish that strategic foresight would come into the the thinking of those in charge of the game. Scottish Football could be a product worthwhile saving including the OF if the marketing was evenly distributed. The OF games are all that anyone outside of Scotland hear about and that comes down to the current marketing strategy. The push since the 80's and the beginning of the Sky era has been to let everyone know outside of Scotland that there is only one game worth watching. Imagine if Sky had been around at the tail end of the seventies, would the old firm game have had as much relevance?

 

Timing was key, Murray investing in Ranger's initially, then McCann, coupled with the Champions League monies has created a perfect storm in Scottish football leading to us becoming a noncompetitive backwater. For the first hundred years Rangers and Celtic only finished as winner and runner up twenty times. In the last twenty five years they have finished as winner and runner up seventeen times. It would have clearly been more but Sevco went out the box allowing Aberdeen to slip in and take second spot.

 

Only once during that dominance was there even remotely the chance for change, and we were the team to provide that challenge. It could happen again, the pandemic will have an impact, Celtic spend a lot and depend a lot on revenues currently unavailable to them. They will have to cut their cloth accordingly, Rangers are still a basket case teetering on the brink. Change could once again be on the horizon, the end of the second world war and through into the early sixties, the turn of the seventies into the eighties. Let hope the start of the twenties can provide similar outcomes to the two periods highlighted.

I hope you're right with regards to the twenties providing changes... I think there has been glimmers of a change of stance recently eg. us standing up to them in court for one, and also all clubs voting down 'executive powers' for the SPFL board. Eyes have certainly been opened... whether it's the start of some sort of revolution remains to be seen. One thing's for certain, if things don't change Scottish football will always be 'mickey mouse' compared to pretty much everyone else.

 

The thing that bothers me about Celtic is that they don't want competition -  they're too greedy, but they don't realise that they NEED compeittion to improve. I always chuckle to myself when I hear them going on about lack of competition in Scotland (usually after being dumped out of the CL before Christmas), as an excuse for their early exit. Both them and Rangers need to realise that if the Scottish 'product' is to improve, there has to be, at least, a level playing field. None of this swapping of board members every 2 years, equal distribution of TV monies, 'foreign' referees, no fixture tampering, new voting structure.. to name but a few. But as has been said, the OF don't want this... and we're back to square one. It's excruciating. So much so, I'm actually (now that the dust has settled and I'm marginally less angry) looking forward to a season in the championship without them!

Edited July 30, 2020 by Rogue Daddy

[David Black]

6 minutes ago, Rogue Daddy said:

I hope you're right with regards to the twenties providing changes... I think there has been glimmers of a change of stance recently eg. us standing up to them in court for one, and also all clubs voting down 'executive powers' for the SPFL board. Eyes have certainly been opened... whether it's the start of some sort of revolution remains to be seen. One thing's for certain, if things don't change Scottish football will always be 'mickey mouse' compared to pretty much everyone else.

 

The thing that bothers me about Celtic is that they don't want competition -  they're too greedy, but they don't realise that they NEED completion to improve. I always chuckle to myself when I hear them going on about lack of competition in Scotland (usually after being dumped out of the CL before Christmas), as an excuse for their early exit. Both them and Rangers need to realise that if the Scottish 'product' is to improve, there has to be, at least, a level playing field. None of this swapping of board members every 2 years, equal distribution of TV monies, 'foreign' referees, no fixture tampering, new voting structure.. to name but a few. But as has been said, the OF don't want this... and we're back to square one. It's excruciating. So much so, I'm actually (now that the dust has settled and I'm marginally less angry) looking forward to a season in the championship without them!

There is much to what both you and Jambo 74 say, in fact his stats are an eyeopener, but no matter what, if Rangers and Celtic are in any equation going forward nothing will seriously change. I cannot remember all the facts but back in2003(?) when a breakaway was almost achieved the SPL/Rangers/ Celtic throw the rest of us a few crumbs to win us over and not to breakaway. The exact same will happen again. There is only one way all other clubs will flourish and the game played on an even playing field and that is to breakaway and leave the OF to their own devices. Anything less and we carry on as we have done for the last 30 years. I would rather watch Hearts without any TV deal , find our own level along with all other clubs, than carry on like this. Does anyone think that SKY would give the OF a deal playing each other every week, or give it to the rest of us in a genuinely competitive league. The notion that Celtic and Rangers will change their attitude to the rest is naive.

[Rogue Daddy]

2 minutes ago, David Black said:

There is much to what both you and Jambo 74 say, in fact his stats are an eyeopener, but no matter what, if Rangers and Celtic are in any equation going forward nothing will seriously change. I cannot remember all the facts but back in2003(?) when a breakaway was almost achieved the SPL/Rangers/ Celtic throw the rest of us a few crumbs to win us over and not to breakaway. The exact same will happen again. There is only one way all other clubs will flourish and the game played on an even playing field and that is to breakaway and leave the OF to their own devices. Anything less and we carry on as we have done for the last 30 years. I would rather watch Hearts without any TV deal , find our own level along with all other clubs, than carry on like this. Does anyone think that SKY would give the OF a deal playing each other every week, or give it to the rest of us in a genuinely competitive league. The notion that Celtic and Rangers will change their attitude to the rest is naive.

 

Yep, agree with everything you're saying there. I just feel, if there was to be a breakaway... now would be the right time to do it. I detest the OF and everything they stand for, but with Douglas Park at their helm, I think we could form a breakaway with them 'inside the tent pissing out'. Rangers are nowhere near as strong as they were back then and hate the SPFL/SFA as much as the rest (for their own reasons). But now would be a good time to have them 'on side'... of course, we would need the rest of the Celtic arse-lickers like the sheep and vermin. At the very least, we need to ditch all the diddy pretend 'professional' clubs and form a separate proper 'professional' organisation… changing a few of those 'OF-centric' rules while we're at it.

[Guest ToqueJambo]

17 hours ago, Byyy The Light said:

Meanwhile...

 

https://www.watchloi.ie/

 

They even have a sponsor. How this prick Doncaster still has a job is beyond me.

They sell it as a league.
 

We’re all about 2 clubs.

 

There was a genuine chance here to force change. The clubs messed it up through unadulterated self interest.

[David Black]

1 minute ago, Rogue Daddy said:

 

Yep, agree with everything you're saying there. I just feel, if there was to be a breakaway... now would be the right time to do it. I detest the OF and everything they stand for, but with Douglas Park at their helm, I think we could form a breakaway with them 'inside the tent pissing out'. Rangers are nowhere near as strong as they were back then and hate the SPFL/SFA as much as the rest (for their own reasons). But now would be a good time to have them 'on side'... of course, we would need the rest of the Celtic arse-lickers like the sheep and vermin. At the very least, we need to ditch all the diddy pretend 'professional' clubs and form a separate proper 'professional' organisation… changing a few of those 'OF-centric' rules while we're at it.

Aberdeen would certainly want to leave. I know there have been issues but they would leave. Hibs, well that's an interesting one. Stay with the OF and win nothing ever again, or join the rest and have a good chance of success every season. Allowing Rangers to join would mean it  would be one all powerful club as opposed to two. Both these clubs are a pair. One needs the other to create interest amongst their support. That was shown when Rangers were out of the League, the Celtic support went down. A Celtic friend of mine did not renew his season ticket for that reason. It was a waste of his time as he new before a game was played who would win the league. To succeed we must leave both behind and you are right this is the time to get things moving. FOH can start by inviting clubs for discussions as to the way forward. 

[manaliveits105]

Hibs would stay with their parent club 

[Gizmo]

We should start a ****ing breakaway league.
Budge has the business acumen to get the right people in to market it and sell it hard.
Promote every club within it, big up every head-to-head, every derby match.
Market those matches.
Market the clubs and league on the history, the competitive nature of the game etc. 
Stream matches.
Record all matches so all fans can watch their full matches later in the week on, I dunno, try Amazon prime or someone modern and progressive.
Get proper pundits in, in-depth analysis and also different magazine shows too on other aspects of the game.
Sell these packages abroad.  
Get James Anderson to have Ballie Gifford sponsor it based on the values enshrined into the league constitution.
Set rules on using youth players, set up national academies and a draft system.
Promote the youth players. Provide education and professionalism lessons including health, dieatary etc.
Consider the fans first and foremost. 
Open plazas like in the US or Germany selling street food. 
We could probably even have booze in grounds and cheaper policing costs without the bigots. 

Anything is better than being part of the corrupt, Glaswegian stitch-up.  Yes it's mostly just an opportunity to vent, but it's still more ideas than we get from Donkey for his £400k. 

PS Anyone who starts bleating or defending "Glasgow" can do one. We ALL know who ****s the game up, and it's 99% them, the Largs mafia and their puppets for hire who infest too many clubs. 

[Byyy The Light]

3 hours ago, ToqueJambo said:

They sell it as a league.
 

We’re all about 2 clubs.

 

There was a genuine chance here to force change. The clubs messed it up through unadulterated self interest.

Yup. Fear and short sightedness. Need a few whippersnappers in to freshen things up.