Hearts transfers (Cochrane goes on loan to Montrose)

[Leveins Battalion]

3 minutes ago, Fitba' broke my Heart said:

If you are not consitent enough to make the first team at Forrest, then you should not be considered for Hearts.

What a load of shite.

 

Some of our best ever players failed to have success down south,Robbo and Steve Fulton to name but 2.

 

Plus the fact that despite what any Hibs fan says Jason Cummings is Hearts daft.

[Bongo 1874]

 

 

[Anything2]

33 minutes ago, BackOfTheNet said:

Those of us who don’t want Cummings are suggesting no such thing. Personally I’m just saying that he would be 3rd choice striker so if we are going to bring in back up for Boyce and Naismith (agreed backup is a requirement) then we can spend less on a decent backup (if backup is not already at the club). And the proven goal scorer thing has not been tried and tested for years. Do I think he would score goals in the Championship? Probably. Do I believe he would do it in the Premiership if we get promoted? Jury’s out on that and so far in similar levels he’s not done it prolifically at all. Do I believe we would need him to get promoted in the first place? Not at all.

 

So if we don’t need him specifically to get promoted and he’d likely not score the goals that we need in the Premiership either, then what’s the point of paying a fee and wages on him? Not to mention his unnecessary baggage. There will be options either at the club already or available without a fee needing paid (loan?) and less wages Cummings would require. Just doesn’t make sense to spend money when we don’t have to.

That's kind of where I am, he would need to be cheap as he would be singed in the hope that he doesn't play, in that Naismith and Boyce would need to be injured or suspended for him to be a first pick. I don't really like the idea of singing "championship specialists' although I accept that it may be necessary in some instances and Robbie is a bit of a pragmatist so I wouldn't be surprised if he did that. However I think a different style of forward would compliment the squad more and give us more options. And if, as we hope, the league is tied up early, I would rather use game time to develop someone with potential if we have or can get them in rather than pad a lower league striker's career stats. 

Edited August 16, 2020 by Anything2

[Jambof3tornado]

1 hour ago, lou said:

I am not saying we should pay a transfer fee for Cummings, but after the sale of Hickey, you would imagine we would be able to pay £100k for the right player

Being able to pay 100k is one thing but thinking its the right thing to do right now when so many free agents exist is another.

 

We'll see what happens.

[dumpson]

2 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

 

 

Oh aye ?! 👀

[Jambof3tornado]

27 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Would you like a hand?😀

Might need a bigger car!!

[Newton51]

3 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

 

 

 Free agent?

[wavydavy]

1 minute ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Might need a bigger car!!

 

My back seats fold flat if that would help.

[BackOfTheNet]

5 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

 

 

Definitely prolific at League 2 level  and 1 in every 2.5 games at League 1 isn’t bad I suppose. Most of his career in lower leagues down the English pyramid so doubt would command much in wages. But only a year into his Ipswich deal not sure if there would be a fee or loan involved here.

[Jambof3tornado]

2 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

My back seats fold flat if that would help.

Pretty sure if 3 of us tackle him he would eventually fall in!!

[Gav M]

1 in 2 for tranmere and better than 1 in 3 for Ipswich and only 29. sounds good

[Rick Sanchez]

He signed a three year deal with the option of a fourth at the start of last season.

 

Would know Roberts...

[Zen Jambo]

Norwood is an interesting one. 

[Leveins Battalion]

Norwood would be cracking signing,great finisher.

[wavydavy]

4 minutes ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Pretty sure if 3 of us tackle him he would eventually fall in!!

 

👍

[GavK1012]

Sorry, just as its in the news today re Lyndon Dykes & QPR, my memory tells me Robbie had a look at him our first year back in rop flight in training, and clearly didnt fancy him. Am right in that eh? 🤔 just shows how subjective rating a player is....

 

FFS...just seen the old thread opened!!!

 

Ignore 🤪

Edited August 16, 2020 by GavK1012
Old thread opened!

[wavydavy]

16 minutes ago, Bongo 1874 said:

 

 

 

Apparently Fleetwood and Dundee Utd are both interested. He was at Tranmere when Mellon was their Manager and says he helped his career. So maybe Utd would be favourites to get him assuming they could meet his wage demands.

[Rick Sanchez]

3 minutes ago, Barack said:

Two years still to run?

 

We tapping Anderson up again?!😳

 

We could bid the money we have put aside for CUMDOG but I'm not sure it would be enough...

 

This is the kind of signing we'll see in the future with the wage caps down south. Once these guys are free agents and they can't get a championship team, they're aswell up here.

[wavydavy]

12 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said:

He signed a three year deal with the option of a fourth at the start of last season.

 

Would know Roberts...

 

Who are you talking about?

[Rick Sanchez]

1 minute ago, wavydavy said:

 

Who are you talking about?

 

Norwood with the deal...would have played with Jordan Roberts at Ipswich.

[Alan_R]

17 minutes ago, Gav M said:

1 in 2 for tranmere and better than 1 in 3 for Ipswich and only 29. sounds good

Thats the nail in the coffin already. Was stockton not quite good for tranmere? absolute huddy

[wavydavy]

2 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said:

 

Norwood with the deal...would have played with Jordan Roberts at Ipswich.

 

Cheers, looked back and wasn't sure. Good article about him here.

 

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/james-norwood-transfer-latest-1-6773599

[wavydavy]

1 minute ago, Alan_R said:

Thats the nail in the coffin already. Was stockton not quite good for tranmere? absolute huddy

 

Norwood has had similar problems to Haring with a groin injury and made it worse by playing after taking pain killers etc.

[Alan_R]

Just now, Barack said:

If you mean 1 goal in 16?

 

Aye, he was ****ing legendary.

Signed him on the back of a purple patch for someone.

 

But not im bothered enough to google. 

[Agentjambo]

So after Norwood and Cummings @Bongo 1874? 

[wavydavy]

4 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

So after Norwood and Cummings @Bongo 1874? 

 

Not sure anyone said we were after Norwood. It was posted that he was available that was all as I understood it. 

Edited August 16, 2020 by wavydavy

[Rick Sanchez]

@hmfc_liam06

 

Anymore gossip chief? You were bang on with Roberts.

[SMJ_1874]

39 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

My back seats fold flat if that would help.

That would do. Uche spends half his time on the floor anyway! 

[Agentjambo]

2 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Not sure anyone said we were after Norwood. It was posted that he was available that was all as I understood it. 

Who said he was available? 

[King prawn]

11 minutes ago, Barack said:

7 in 25 for Morecambe.

 

Google is precisely why you need to check folk like Stockton. And wonder what the **** was going through folk's heads at Hearts.

Spot on.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Jambof3tornado said:

Uche was never getting utilized properly given the way he was reffed by our inept officials, so if he goes good luck to the lad, I'm sure he'll continue to improve as a player down south where he may get a free kick in his favour occasionally.

Uche never done himself any favours really. Yes, he was often punished unfairly  but he was too often grappling for no reason and falling down looking for a foul. I'd like to see how effective he would have been if he concentrated on doing the right thing.  Too late now I suppose

[wavydavy]

10 minutes ago, Agentjambo said:

Who said he was available? 

 

Look back and see. I read an article which I posted a link to which suggested that Fleetwood and Dundee Utd were interested that was all.

 

 

[GavK1012]

15 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

Not sure anyone said we were after Norwood. It was posted that he was available that was all as I understood it. 

🙄

The post(er) alone suggest more than that...

[Bazzas right boot]

1 hour ago, allanwilson1970 said:

Underwhelmed with our signings and the rumours so far as well as Uche leaving. It is disappointing that it seems again our youth players will not be given a chance to see what they can do. If we do not give them a chance this season then they will be 20-22 next season and then what will be the excuse, can not risk them as we are back to the premier league. 

 

Youth should only play consistently if good enough, not because they are young. 

Only Hickey and Irvine showed any consistency. 

Moore was showing positive signs as well. 

 

Macdonald who I like, the jury is still out and harry was injured for a lot of the season and struggled to get a game at Dunfermline. 

 

We need to come up easily, getting to the sc final before Xmas would be a bonus, whether it's youth or signings that get us there it doesn't matter. 

 

Youth should only be played if good enough,  not for the sake of it, same for the top league. 

 

Our signings so far are a winger and Gordon, what is bad about that, we needed both?

[soonbe110]

3 hours ago, Rick Sanchez said:

 

I would imagine the Uche and Washington fees combined should cover it. Plus money from Hickey but I'd rather that went towards securing our future from this virus and those corrupt *******s.

Don’t think we will be spending transfer fees on anyone this summer. Too many players available free for charge plus we have the virus costs to deal with. 

[Bazzas right boot]

2 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Don’t think we will be spending transfer fees on anyone this summer. Too many players available free for charge plus we have the virus costs to deal with. 

 

 

Depends, a players transfer is made up of all sorts of things. 

£100k transfer isn't over the top. 

 

They'll surley be free options galore, but free options could cost more than an option with a transfer fee overall and Ofc the player must be interested in us. 

 

[soonbe110]

Just now, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Depends, a players transfer is made up of all sorts of things. 

£100k transfer isn't over the top. 

 

They'll surley be free options galore, but free options could cost more than an option with a transfer fee overall and Ofc the player must be interested in us. 

 

Certainly won’t be spending transfer money on a player who will not be a first choice if everyone is fit. At least I hope we won’t. 
Agree re wages etc but then if it’s a free agent then we get to set the parameters and if they don’t like them tough. Norwood has been league 1and 2 most of career so his wages are well within our current pay scales  

[Tasavallan]

1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

Youth should only play consistently if good enough, not because they are young. 

Only Hickey and Irvine showed any consistency. 

Moore was showing positive signs as well. 

 

Macdonald who I like, the jury is still out and harry was injured for a lot of the season and struggled to get a game at Dunfermline. 

 

We need to come up easily, getting to the sc final before Xmas would be a bonus, whether it's youth or signings that get us there it doesn't matter. 

 

Youth should only be played if good enough,  not for the sake of it, same for the top league. 

 

Our signings so far are a winger and Gordon, what is bad about that, we needed both?

 

Hickey was fortunate due the lack of LBs and took his opportunity to shine.  However his defensive positioning did result in mistakes that resulted in goals being conceded.  Such errprs would have been cricitised if committed by more experienced players.

 

Hearts need a settled starting XI with formation and tactics that the squad are comfortable with.

 

As q wiseman once said "if they are good enough they are old enough" however another said "you will win nothing with youth"

[wavydavy]

5 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Certainly won’t be spending transfer money on a player who will not be a first choice if everyone is fit. At least I hope we won’t. 
Agree re wages etc but then if it’s a free agent then we get to set the parameters and if they don’t like them tough. Norwood has been league 1and 2 most of career so his wages are well within our current pay scales  

 

 

This is an extract from the article I posted earlier in this thread and if this can be believed then I am not sure we could afford his wages.

 

We’re kind of like: ‘OK, we might have £2,500-£3,000, for you’ and then Ipswich come in and give him between £8,000 and £10,000 (sic).

[jimbojambo]

I for one will be sorry to see Uche go and wish him all the best. He was a really good guy and I am sure will be missed in the changing room. He didn't get the breaks from the referees and for whatever reason never really kicked on last season so maybe a fresh start is in everyone's interests? 

[Rick Sanchez]

9 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Don’t think we will be spending transfer fees on anyone this summer. Too many players available free for charge plus we have the virus costs to deal with. 

 

More than likely mate. But look at the players (on paper) that teams are getting from us for nominal fees. Washington for under 100k? Bargains to be had as some teams will just want rid as we do.

 

Norwood has maybe been told he can leave. Cummings could be claiming homesickness...can leave for a token 50k.

 

You never know what goes into a deal I suppose.

[Madjambo21]

5 minutes ago, jimbojambo said:

I for one will be sorry to see Uche go and wish him all the best. He was a really good guy and I am sure will be missed in the changing room. He didn't get the breaks from the referees and for whatever reason never really kicked on last season so maybe a fresh start is in everyone's interests? 

Spot on 👍

Really would have liked him in the championship.

Any time we played ICT they couldn't handle him but understand if he is on a decent wage its maybe best he goes.

 

[Bazzas right boot]

16 minutes ago, soonbe110 said:

Certainly won’t be spending transfer money on a player who will not be a first choice if everyone is fit. At least I hope we won’t. 
Agree re wages etc but then if it’s a free agent then we get to set the parameters and if they don’t like them tough. Norwood has been league 1and 2 most of career so his wages are well within our current pay scales  

 

 

Norwood would be good, but will he want to move to Scotland and play in the championship? 

 

If he does he'll want an incentive imo , I would, if not I'd move to a club closer to home and continue in the English leagues that I have all my life and stay close to family and friends. 

 

Time will tell, it's not just about who we want, it's about who wants to come to us. 

 

Cummings ticks a lot of boxes giving our situation. 

Edited August 16, 2020 by Smith's right boot

[Clerry Jambo]

1 minute ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Norwood would be good, but will he want to move to Scotland and play in the championship? 

 

If he does he'll want an incentive imo , I would, if not I'd move to a club closer to home and continue in the English leagues that I have all my life and stay close to family and friends. 

 

Time will tell, it's not just about who we want, it's about who wants to come to us. 

 

Cummings ticks a lot of boxes giving our situation. 

At least wee Jase knows the league up here

[Rick Sanchez]

The one thing I don't want is the need to convince people to join above and beyond. If you don't want to be here, piss off.

[Bazzas right boot]

17 minutes ago, wavydavy said:

 

 

This is an extract from the article I posted earlier in this thread and if this can be believed then I am not sure we could afford his wages.

 

We’re kind of like: ‘OK, we might have £2,500-£3,000, for you’ and then Ipswich come in and give him between £8,000 and £10,000 (sic).

 

 

Not just that, lots of clubs can offer him that, if your him what's the motivation to moving to Hearts for a similar wage? 

Lower level, same money, move house... 

 

A guy like Norwood imo would only move to us if we can offer him more money / longer deal than other offers. 

 

If you go into that territory paying £100k or so for a transfer for someone on less wages becomes actually less expensive than the free transfer. 

 

£100k transfer and £2 /3k a week is actually cheaper than a free transfer on £4k a week. 

Over 3/4 years its far cheaper .

 

Cummings for example  might be keen to come back to Scotland and Edinburgh, a guy like Norwood would need an incentive to do so, a relatively big one imo. 

Edited August 16, 2020 by Smith's right boot

[Unknown user]

1 hour ago, Barack said:

7 in 25 for Morecambe.

 

Google is precisely why you need to check folk like Stockton. And wonder what the **** was going through folk's heads at Hearts.

 

He was signed based on figures from that stats company we were working with, I mind reading about it, Moneyball type of thing.

[Tasavallan]

5 minutes ago, Smithee said:

 

He was signed based on figures from that stats company we were working with, I mind reading about it, Moneyball type of thing.

 

Tas lad#2 has excellent stats from his time in US college soccer. He also has a brilliant promo video that shows him off as a match for Messi.  Fact does not always reflect the fiction, though.

[Gav M]

Just now, Tasavallan said:

 

Tas lad#2 has excellent stats from his time in US college soccer. He also has a brilliant promo video that shows him off as a match for Messi.  Fact does not always reflect the fiction, though.

send it to the club! get him signed up

[BackOfTheNet]

35 minutes ago, Smith's right boot said:

 

 

Norwood would be good, but will he want to move to Scotland and play in the championship? 

 

If he does he'll want an incentive imo , I would, if not I'd move to a club closer to home and continue in the English leagues that I have all my life and stay close to family and friends. 

 

Time will tell, it's not just about who we want, it's about who wants to come to us. 

 

Cummings ticks a lot of boxes giving our situation. 

League 1 in England is the highest he’s ever played at. If he signed for Hearts he’d be potentially playing a semi-final against Hibs at Hampden, which would easily be the biggest game he’d ever played. And within a season could be playing Scottish Premiership and similar games. I have zero clue whether this is even a possibility or if he’s actually any good, but he’d definitely have incentive.