steve123 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just now, soonbe110 said: From someone involved Not doubting for a sec but surely we need to compensate them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just now, steve123 said: Not doubting for a sec but surely we need to compensate them Clearly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hardy’s Dug Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Henderson just signed a 2 year contract a month or so ago FFS and was doing great with Stendel until he felt forced to go more defensive and play less attack minded players anyone that knows any player at the club will tell you Stendel’s training changed to focus on defence after those two games we shipped all those daft goals we’ll have a fair amount of youth in the tram I think - will be good for the future Edited August 5, 2020 by Tom Hardy’s Dug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just now, soonbe110 said: Clearly Well then that is strange, sure someone would have paid 20k for both or a buy one get one free deal .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Just now, steve123 said: Well then that is strange, sure someone would have paid 20k for both or a buy one get one free deal .. the way it works is their agent touts them round other clubs to see what’s on offer. Once they have offers they give us a termination option which gets them off our payroll at significantly less cost than paying up the rest of their contract. In the lower leagues there won’t be many transfer fees this summer. Huge surplus of players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sandiego Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Agentjambo said: We need to look at the bigger picture here, it's OK building a team/squad to get us back to the premiership however Garuccio, Wighton and Uche aren't good enough for the premiership which means building a team for championship then trying to move players on next season again and rebuilding again. I think its more a budget thing though. We can't afford to bring in a team full of new players this season under the circumstances. The wages for our squad as it stands are unsustaniable in a reduced game championship. We will need to trim the wage bill and get one more season out of some of the players who are clearly not good enough for top 6 premier league. Not ideal i agree but unavoidable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMJ_1874 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Uche and Wighton contracts to be terminated. Don’t be getting our hopes up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: From someone involved Was it a guess from someone involved? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Uche and Wighton contracts to be terminated. Wighton is the poster boy for the Levein era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, gowestjambo said: I cannot believe any of our fans are making a case to retain absolute losers, who won FOUR games out of THIRTY. This entire squad with very few exceptions need to be cleared out. No other team of our supposed stature would retain these duds!!! Explain how we get rid of them? Have you asked the others or just me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH23-Jambo Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Clare was improving but this move is best for him and Hearts. Hopefully a few more to go with 2-3 additions in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Captain Canada said: Sorry if posted earlier in the thread but Hemmings has quit Dundee today. Would be a good addition to the squad if Uche and Wighton go. It has and he would, unfortunately it seems he left because he wants to go back daan saaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Boy Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Wighton is the poster boy for the Levein era. I‘d say Naismith was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Cruickshank for Scotland said: Was it a guess from someone involved? 🤔 Didn’t say. Wouldn’t need to guess though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomethingAboutObua Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Good move for Claire and not surprised, good luck to him and maybe a sell on fee added in, hope we got a decent fee anyway. Surely Damour and Doyle have to be going by the way? Not seen them mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merseyjambo Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I find it sad that Sean Clare is getting a lot of stick on here. Clare definitely had ability. He clearly is a player who needs the arm round his shoulder not the stick. Under DS we saw a different player and a glimpse of what we should have had from the start. oxford may have come into a bit of a windfall with Roofe signing for Rangers. I’d hope we’d get at least 200k for him. Washington may end up at Stoke now they have stayed up. They have a couple of decent young strikers in Campbell and Gregory. I know a few EPL clubs were watching Campbell. They’ve also got Sam Volks but after that they’re pretty light up front. O’Neill knows him and may hopefully be tempted to take him there. Again we should be looking for about 250k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batistuta87 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Releasing Uche would be a weird one. Surely there's a fee to be had for him.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canada Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Batistuta87 said: Releasing Uche would be a weird one. Surely there's a fee to be had for him.... I don't think that's realistic given he was a 4th division player in England before joining us and has scored just 5 in 40 games for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heartsfc_fan Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Probably a 6 figure sum to release Uche? Somebody will surely take him on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Releasing Uche would be a weird one. Surely there's a fee to be had for him.... why do folk think we can get big fees for largely talentless players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weakened Offender Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, Special Officer Doofy said: I‘d say Naismith was. Naismith sadly epitomised it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Not one single player I will be sorry to see the back of. Fair or not we should never have been put through the mill like this. Can't get rid of them all, more the pity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH23-Jambo Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I'm sure one of the red top rags reported the Tim's were interested in Uche. A million quid at time, if only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonbe110 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Releasing Uche would be a weird one. Surely there's a fee to be had for him.... Who would pay money for Uche? Other than a development fee when he was 18 no club has ever paid a fee for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, Pasquale for King said: Explain how we get rid of them? Have you asked the others or just me? Yes I deliberately picked on you...... My point is there can be no case to argue to retain players who woefully underperformed, as some fans are suggesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, gowestjambo said: Yes I deliberately picked on you...... My point is there can be no case to argue to retain players who woefully underperformed, as some fans are suggesting. So how do we get rid of them? Strange you would ask me though as I’m not exactly someone who puts up with crap players. Edited August 5, 2020 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Sanchez Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I wouldn't want to lose Boyce tbh, think he'll turn out to be a cracking signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingantti1874 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Boyce will score 30 in that division Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez said: I wouldn't want to lose Boyce tbh, think he'll turn out to be a cracking signing. Definitely, it’s unlikely someone will pay double what he cost us in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwidoug Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Sorry to hear Claire has gone. Around £150,000 would be my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, Captain Canada said: I don't think that's realistic given he was a 4th division player in England before joining us and has scored just 5 in 40 games for us. 11 moves in 7 years, 45 goals in 180 games, injured every season. Thinks he’s unplayable on his day and nearly the finished article. Any fee would be a miracle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve123 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 39 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: the way it works is their agent touts them round other clubs to see what’s on offer. Once they have offers they give us a termination option which gets them off our payroll at significantly less cost than paying up the rest of their contract. In the lower leagues there won’t be many transfer fees this summer. Huge surplus of players. fair play cheers for explaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Beni of Gorgie Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Nobody knows what Clare's position is. A misfit. An expensive error symptomatic of an era of promise and it will be ok next week. It wasn't and Clare epitomised that despite the bizarre turn of events sparked by a brainless challenge to be red carded. I'm afraid I was one of the suckered people who backed him. **** the lot of them, good riddance. 4 wins in 30 against utter dross half the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Last Laff said: What? For Morton? What’s the point in that? Uh, to win and score lots of goals maybe? I'm confused by your approach to this season. You sound worried and nervous. We WILL be considerably fitter than every other team. Even we just start the season with our current squad, NO club has players of the calibre (proven at a high level) of the players I just listed there. A front line from Washington, Boyce and Naismith or all three will cause havoc with Walker as a roving No. 10 which we know he can do. Uche off the bench will be devastating. Did you not watch the championship in 14/15? We didn't have the same quality up front and scored for fun. The goalies and defenders down there are largely atrocious. Players like Walker who can ping them in from distance will score 10 easy. And this time around the league has no Hibs and Rangers and every club has been massively weakened. Why so worried? Put it this way, we easily beat Caley with a forward line of Uche and Keena. When we had Naismith available we hammered them 5-0. Edited August 5, 2020 by ToqueJambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 49 minutes ago, Johnny Sandiego said: I think its more a budget thing though. We can't afford to bring in a team full of new players this season under the circumstances. The wages for our squad as it stands are unsustaniable in a reduced game championship. We will need to trim the wage bill and get one more season out of some of the players who are clearly not good enough for top 6 premier league. Not ideal i agree but unavoidable. Well put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambopilms Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 minute ago, ToqueJambo said: Uh, to win and score lots of goals maybe? I'm confused by your approach to this season. You sound worried and nervous. We WILL be considerably fitter than every other team. Even we just start the season with our current squad, NO club has players of the calibre (proven at a high level) of the players I just listed there. A front line from Washington, Boyce and Naismith or all three will cause havoc with Walker as a roving No. 10 which we know he can do. Uche off the bench will be devastating. Did you not watch the championship in 14/15? We didn't have the same quality up front and scored for fun. The goalies and defenders down there are largely atrocious. Players like Walker who can ping them in from distance will score 10 easy. And this time around the league has no Hibs and Rangers and every club has been massively weakened. Why so worried? A mixture of Washington, Boyce, Naismith and walker were getting their arses handed to them regularly by the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren. There isn't much evidence to say they will romp the league and bang in the goals. There is evidence to suggest they are injury prone, uninterested and cant score goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamboinglasgow Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, soonbe110 said: Who would pay money for Uche? Other than a development fee when he was 18 no club has ever paid a fee for him. I can imagine that he has a club lined up, so we release him so he is free to move. If there was a fee that club would not go for him. So better for us to end contract saving money on wages than wait for someone to maybe pay some money for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToqueJambo Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 minute ago, jambopilms said: A mixture of Washington, Boyce, Naismith and walker were getting their arses handed to them regularly by the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren. There isn't much evidence to say they will romp the league and bang in the goals. There is evidence to suggest they are injury prone, uninterested and cant score goals. There is plenty of evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry hippo Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 32 minutes ago, Batistuta87 said: Releasing Uche would be a weird one. Surely there's a fee to be had for him.... I expect we've been trying to move him since the January window given Stendel's opinion of him. We'd have a good idea by now if there was any chance of getting a fee and it appears not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, ToqueJambo said: Uh, to win and score lots of goals maybe? I'm confused by your approach to this season. You sound worried and nervous. We WILL be considerably fitter than every other team. Even we just start the season with our current squad, NO club has players of the calibre (proven at a high level) of the players I just listed there. A front line from Washington, Boyce and Naismith or all three will cause havoc with Walker as a roving No. 10 which we know he can do. Uche off the bench will be devastating. Did you not watch the championship in 14/15? We didn't have the same quality up front and scored for fun. The goalies and defenders down there are largely atrocious. Players like Walker who can ping them in from distance will score 10 easy. And this time around the league has no Hibs and Rangers and every club has been massively weakened. Why so worried? Put it this way, we easily beat Caley with a forward line of Uche and Keena. When we had Naismith available we hammered them 5-0. How can you see me as worried? We will piss it. The more of Leveins shite off the books the better. Uche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilmcd22 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Sir Gio said: Nobody knows what Clare's position is. A misfit. An expensive error symptomatic of an era of promise and it will be ok next week. It wasn't and Clare epitomised that despite the bizarre turn of events sparked by a brainless challenge to be red carded. I'm afraid I was one of the suckered people who backed him. **** the lot of them, good riddance. 4 wins in 30 against utter dross half the season Clare being on the field of play for 2 of those wins...folk sad to see him leave need a reality check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazzas right boot Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 3 hours ago, gashauskis9 said: Going to be a big reality check over the coming weeks. Expect any player that has a transfer value will be fair game, and will be replaced with lower quality equivalents. We’ve got a hefty fine and legal costs coming, along with a huge hole in revenue that’ll need plugged. Agree and disagree. Court fees and fines will be covered. We signed Robbie and Gordon. Guys like Clare, Hickey, Washington, Damour and some others simply won't want to play in the championship, we will shift them. Win-win suits them and us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Laff Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Kane Hemmings in trial from next week apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Dubeke Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Uche and Wighton are desperately poor players. Neither should be at Hearts in a million years Can see Olly Lee getting a move despite Neilson saying he's in his plans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJGJ Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Hungry hippo said: Is the a guess/fact/rumour? Just a lie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gov Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 I think robbie will have had a few days now just to chat with players and see who is wanting to stay or not. Then its a case of if you want out then we will see what bids are available or we will release you if you agree to terminate contract. I expect a fair few to leave but we will be able to replace with players robbie wants. Get as much money for players out as possible. Robbie said 3/4 players in, reckon it will be 5/6 by time we start the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowestjambo Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Pasquale for King said: So how do we get rid of them? Strange you would ask me though as I’m not exactly someone who puts up with crap players. I never asked you anything. I made a comment about you making a case for White and Garrucio. (Which is strange for someone who says they dont put up with crap players......) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasquale for King Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gowestjambo said: I never asked you anything. I made a comment about you making a case for White and Garrucio. (Which is strange for someone who says they dont put up with crap players......) So what else are we going to do with them genius if we can’t get rid of them? You said they need cleared out, for the third time how do you expect Neilson to do this? Edited August 5, 2020 by Pasquale for King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomaso Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Did we get a fee for Clare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron78 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, jambopilms said: A mixture of Washington, Boyce, Naismith and walker were getting their arses handed to them regularly by the likes of Hamilton and St Mirren. There isn't much evidence to say they will romp the league and bang in the goals. There is evidence to suggest they are injury prone, uninterested and cant score goals. Were they? Which games were these considering all of them were injured for significant parts of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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